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anita
ParticipantDear Caroline: Since the tickets is part of the topic of your relationship, I’ll reply on your other thread.
anita
February 6, 2024 at 12:57 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #427638anita
ParticipantDear Seaturtle:
“The dreams change, but the last two nights in a row in the dream, I have an opportunity to go back to the way it was, and my dream self wants to. As if my dream self, third eye closed, thinks that suffering through the bad parts of the relationship are worth getting the good parts back in my life. I miss the smallest things like kissing his cheeks..”-
– there is a saying, “the heart wants what the heart wants“. In other words, your heart chakra wants N back. It’s not the job of the heart chakra to see the suffering through the bad parts of the relationship, it’s the 3rd eye chakra’s job. When you’re asleep… all your eyes are closed, and the heart and sacral chakras have their say. All chakras’ input are valid, but the crown chakra has to do a good job putting all the input together into an accurate bigger picture.
“Tomorrow I have my pre-operation for my surgery… The surgery is supposed to be Friday“- I am looking forward to read, I hope, that there are no complications and that the surgery was successful.
“Next is to get my passport from N. I have thought about sending someone to get it for me, but there is a bigger part of me that wants to see him“- it may turn out to be a good idea to see him in-person. Who knows, maybe he will arrange to have your stuff outside his home right before you pick it up, and not see you… so to hurt your feelings.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear David:
Thank you for explaining “digital technology” and “digital wellbeing” for me. I wasn’t familiar with the terms and below, you can see why…
“Specific questions might be: what is your daily relationship with your phone and tech (i.e.., do you sleep w phone, do you check in morning asap, how many hours of screen time daily..“- I am probably, maybe one of the few people in the world who did not have a phone for over a year and didn’t miss it. I lost my phone back in Oct 2022 while picking apples from trees, and didn’t have it replaced until late Jan this year, that’s 15 months of no phone, and not missing it. I used my phone minimally before losing it (calls, texts, and taking photos, that is all), and now that I have a fancy new phone, I find it difficult to motivate myself to use it. it’s just sitting there.
In addition to the above, I do not have Facebook, nor do I participate in any social media platform. My only experience with digital technology is personal email, and here, on tiny buddha via my 4th laptop (I broke all the others from overuse and from sugar accumulating on the keyboard due to .. sugar addiction, not to digital addiction). So, I suppose I am not the right person to respond to the important and very relevant topic you brought up… (relevant to 99% (+) of the population out there, that is).
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Stacy:
I am fine, thank you. I hope that you fully recover soon and get back to work and to a routine you are comfortable in. Thank you for letting me know. I will be looking forward to reading from you again!
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Ssleeping:
I didn’t read your recent post attentively enough. You wrote: “I don’t know if I could cut off contact, I promised to him I wouldn’t when he had a breakdown at the thought of it“- I didn’t suggest that you cut contact with him. I suggested “to end all intimate talk with him, as well as physical intimacy”. I realize that this would be very, very difficult for you to do, but it’d be best for your well-being to be his friend, from a distance (not living with him). As a true friend, you can keep your promise to maintain contact with him and help him through this time.
“Do you think we just need time and his feelings will return?… I don’t want to push him further away“- it reads like he is holding you hostage.. or you are holding yourself hostage until such time that his feeling return, if they will, afraid to make mistakes that will block his feelings from coming back (walking on eggshells perhaps?), anxiously waiting for the return of his feelings. Is this how it is for you..?
I am wondering: is he aware of what this situation is doing to you… Does he think about your suffering?
anita
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ParticipantDear Ssleeping:
You are welcome. It is admirable that you intend to keep your promise to him
“Do you think we just need time and his feelings will return?“- maybe but like I wrote in my first reply, fear is a very powerful emotion
“How would I broach the topic of avoidant attachment? I don’t want to push him further away“- you can copy and paste for him about the topic, send it to him and ask him what he thinks about it.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear me:
Yes, I remember you getting hit by a truck.. The electric scooter, you will ride it strictly on the mountain, not on a road with traffic?
Your physical shape ambitions are huge: 10 miles of running a day is very long and can hurt your knees…?
I googled the influencer you mentioned, he does lots of kickboxing, I understand?
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anita
ParticipantOne more thing: you are always welcome to post again in your tread. I grew positively attached to you and your thread!
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ParticipantDear me aka Pete aka blkhwkdwn1:
“I am gone again just wanted to tell you the final end of this thread since it went on for so long“(Feb 5, 2024)
Sept 18, 2016 (original post, 68 pages ago): “So I have this girl I’ve known for YEARS… she’s also the most amazing person I have ever met …I’ve never met anyone like this in my 30+ years being alive“-
– It’s been quite a ride, Pete, an emotional ride, and in my mind, she’s been your personal brand of a Love Story, The Love Story in your life.
Good to read that you are getting back into shape and I hope that… well, I hope for good things for you!!!
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ParticipantDear me aka Pete:
I am thrilled to read from you again. I wanted to let you know that I returned to the forums months ago, but given that you deleted your account back then, I figured that you will not be reading a message from me. I want to read your post more attentively and reply later today (I am so tired right now). Again: feels good to read from you again!!!
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ParticipantDear Caroline:
You can tell your girlfriend that you changed your mind regarding the place to visit, unless maybe tickets were already purchased (?). Do take your time replying in your other thread and please try to calm down and remain calm, best you can.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Ssleeping:
You’ve been in a romantic relationship with your boyfriend for 3 years and living together for the past year. I am trying to separate how you currently feel about him and the relationship with him from his words and actions.
How you feel: “I know he’s my soulmate… Our souls have connected, I feel like I’ve always known him… I know he’s the one… I keep going through phases of being destroyed and hopeful… I know we are meant to be together, I feel it. I feel hopeful that we will come back – he’s my person. I’m just so scared“.
His words and actions: Before: “We’ve talked about getting married, have given each other jewelry short of engagement rings…we’ve named future children“.
Recently: “He said he started thinking about moving into a house together… He then started feeling anxious when thinking about it… over the coming days he said he doesn’t want this anymore and needs to be alone.. he said things feel different… He said that he feels like we’re just friends, that it doesn’t feel romantic anymore, we are very intimate often, even after this has happened. He said I’m still the most special person in his life and always will be, that we are the most connected, that he could never love anyone more than he loves me. He said we are still our own word that we use for soulmates… He said he doesn’t want other people, he just wants to be alone. He said he doesn’t know what he wants in the future and just knows right now he doesn’t want this… He said he thought of the word and idea of a break, but he can’t say if it’s just time that’s needed or if we’ll get back together. He’s said the thought of that if it’s meant to be, it will happen again is keeping him from breaking down completely. That it gives him hope“.
About his childhood+, you wrote: “He was abused and abandoned as a child and teenager and has always been very independent because he’s had to be, he’s also based self worth on others and never coped well alone… I should mention that he is very impulsive“.
You asked: “Do you think we just need time? It gives me so much hope to think this, so much hope that I feel it so deeply… I feel an urge to bring the anxious avoidant attachment style to his attention and see what he thinks, does he need to come to this realisation himself? I really think this might have been what has happened here. Does he need time and therapy to see this?”
My thoughts and attempted answers: it is very common for children who grew up abused and abandoned (this has been true in my case for many years) to associate love with hurt, and therefore we fear being trapped in this combo of love and hurt, and we want OUT.
This is very much what the term anxious avoidant attachment style is about. But if you tell him about this attachment style (I don’t see the harm in telling him), the information will not make his fear go away. It’s a guttural fear, and once it takes hold, it’s hard to reverse it.
Once in his mind, the idea and fear of being trapped with you (by moving to a house together and cementing the relationship further) was cemented, it’s hard to dissolve this cement. The more you pursue him by being emotionally and physically intimate with him, the more persistent his fear will be. This is so because fear is stronger and more urgent than any other emotion.
Your best bet to get to a point where he loves you more than he fears you, I believe, is to end all intimate talk with him, as well as physical intimacy because that will play into another fear of his: that of being left alone (“never coped well alone“, you wrote about him). It is only if you remove the threat (your love!) from him, that he might feel safe enough to.. want you back as a partner in life.
Quality therapy will be great for him and for you (separately and/ or together, at one time or another). Also: be careful to not let your hope and longing for him to distort your view of what is happening, including the probability that he feels guilty for wanting out and therefore he may be saying nice things to you to ease your pain (and possible anger) at being rejected by him.
If you would like to post again and communicate with me on the topic, you are welcomed to do so.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Worldofthewaterwheels:
“I always draw attention to the bad. I just never felt like hiding anything. I have a strange need to explore the total emotion of emptiness and I can’t explain that“-
– You shared earlier that your parents were a “ a self contained unit, not needing any other person“, meaning that they had each other and you had.. emptiness. Maybe the explanation is that you were born into, and grew up with emptiness (lack of emotional closeness with parents/ others) being your niche within the family, and so, all you had available for you was looking within, exploring your emotions.
“When I was a kid I remember I was the one helping everyone else process their emotions, trying to empathize with others was my thing“- your thing, your niche.. your specialty, childhood and onward, has been to look within and attend to emotions?
“I watched ‘Bridesmaids’ the other day and recognised with some horror that I am the main character Annie. Everything keeps going wrong in her life…she lost her business, her boyfriend and her self respect… It’s a really good movie because it uses this to tell the story about depression and self loathing“- do you loathe yourself, Worldofthewaterwheels?
“I need to learn how to be more positive in my outlook, how to deny the negative even if it seems tempting to see ‘what happens next’“- Can you explain to me what you mean by the temptation to see what-happens-next?
I ask questions because your thread is a study (“A study in loneliness and rejection“), and a study as I understand it entails asking and answering questions.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear David:
Welcome to your forum! I am not sure I understand: do you mean that you want this forum to be your personal wellbeing journal, as in journaling your “path to transformation”, as you called it?
And when you ask for others’ experiences in this journey, do you have more specific questions?
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Caroline:
You are welcome! Yes, I was a bit irritated with you in the beginning of my reply where I typed in capital letters, for spending so little time researching these important topics, and then I switched to empathy, figuring that it was probably your heightened anxiety and exhaustion that prevented you from researching further.
anita
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