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anitaParticipant
Dear Silly Sad Soul:
“I wonder what a Jewish breakfast is like. I look forward to it!“- shakshuka is one, eggs are a huge breakfast item. Here are foods that I never ate until I was 19: peanut butter, pizza, and Chinese food: it was magic! I might take a later afternoon walk next even though it’s the time wild animals are out and about.
anita
anitaParticipantOh, I misread, you wrote that I a survivor of a holocaust survivor, well neither one of them was in a concentration camp back in the 40s although the Nazis were active in their countries of origin.
anita
anitaParticipantDear SadSoul:
I hope you do get time off this Friday! I had to look up “quid”, and no, I am not a holocaust survivor (that would make me in my 80s, if I was a child back then, or in my 90s if I was a teenager back then)!
Quid: “a hunk or wad of something you chew”, I don’t even know what a “hunk” or a “wad” means…
(lol, I know you mean the other definition, but that’s not for this public forum)
So, one day I will be having a Jewish brekkie with partly Jewish SadSoul. Jewish people historically have sad souls..
anita
anitaParticipantDear Flow28: I didn’t do a good job in my first reply. I’ll try again:
I can see how hurt you are. The shock and disappointment: from “I was sure we were together” to him saying: “we’re not together yet“, his preference to go to a long trip without you, and now, he’s seeing someone else. All this left you hurt, sad, angry, doubting if he was not into you, or if you scared him off.
It is hard to analyze his words (those you quoted) without seeing the context: the whole conversation, what led to it, etc.
Seems like you were more interested in him than he was in you, and so, the (unofficial) relationship had a power imbalance: you were in the weak position, the one chasing him to take you with him on the long trip, the one pressuring him to make the relationship official (the ultimatum), the one hanging on his words.
And seems to me that he has some problems that preceded you and more likely than not, there would have been a breakup even if you behaved.. perfectly. After all, most relationships, particularly those starting online, don’t last long.
I am sorry that you are hurting and I hope that you will learn what you can learn from the experience and that you feel better soon. Learning often makes me feel better. i hope to read from you again.
anita
anitaParticipantDear SadSoul: thank you for the sunflower on the other threads and your encouraging words here! I bet you are having yet another busy workweek and hope you are doing well!
anita
anitaParticipantContinued:
I am experiencing Less Fear, less Anxiety and enough Healing to feel, to subjectively experience mental health. To actually understand it, not from the rational level, but from the emotional level: to understand this novel idea that I am of no less value than anyone else. That’s an amazing emotional understanding for me, very new. I always thought/ felt/ believed that I was less than every one else, way less. It was a horrible way to go through life. It wasn’t really living, it was surviving as an inferior specimen.
How strange. Today, for the first time in my life, I can see myself a mother, and teaching him/ her well. Too old for that, but I can see it now, I can see myself a mother.
I felt today, for the first time in my life, no fear about making waves in real-life, expressing my discontent, for someone hearing my discontent, my complaint.. not afraid to cause things to happen, to affect events.
Me: having a say irl, expressing and feeling empathy for myself. I feel.. equal and healthy, and it is an amazing feeling!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Raising Again:
“Few of my ex-colleagues… are quick and good in their work… I feel bad about myself for not able to complete my work on time and doing my work with little progress only… My Friend says it ok for the little progress, as she has long term plan for me. I just feel struck with myself… Please help.“-
– you say that you have kids. Let’s say one of your kids starts school in Jan instead of Sept the year before. Her classroom peers are advanced in their studies and your kid is a beginner. Where would your focus be, as a mother: on how well her peers are doing and how less your kid is doing in comparison, or on the progress your kid is making every day (however small)?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Flow28:
“He was texting me a lot, calling, setting up dates etc. He said he’d never felt so good with anyone before. He mentioned us being in a relationship in the future“- he was already in a relationship with you when he said that there may be a relationship in the future.
“He said ‘for us to blah blah (I don’t remember at this point) we’d have to be in a relationship’ and then he added ‘but when we get into one in the future, we will (…)’“- indirectly, he made a promise to you: that there will be a relationship in the future (while there was one in the present).
“He added he wouldn’t cheat on me & that he uninstalled the app.”- according to his words, he was in an exclusive relationship with you.
“I said someone who loves his gf would take her with him… He was like ‘you’re not my gf’, ‘we’re not together yet, we’re still seeing each other…’“- the image of a man (after a swim) sitting by the pool with one foot in the water, comes to mind, saying: I am not in the pool yet.
“he said we were seeing each other once a week or even less, which is completely untrue (it was 2-3 times per week). He said we weren’t texting regularly but we were“- continuing the image above, you tell the man sitting by the pool: what do you mean you are not in the pool yet, you were in it 10 minutes ago, that’s why you are still wet! And he says: no I wasn’t! Or, I almost wasn’t.
“He said he felt uncomfortable with me treating it as if we’re a bf & gf bc ‘it’s not at that level of closeness’ & that he didn’t like such control. He has told me he hasn’t asked me to be official because I didn’t trust him“-
– the clue to his behavior may be in the words control and trust: maybe he doesn’t trust women and fears being controlled by a woman, so he, figuratively, only dips his foot in the water, or if he takes a swim, he quickly exits the pool and denies he was in it.
“During our early dates he would make sexual innuendos and jokes & he complimented my looks. He talked about his sexual preferences… he wasn’t really affectionate… he said he had been with many girls but didn’t sleep with anyone before me“- it is possible that he lied when he told you that he didn’t sleep with anyone before you, and that he lied about other things as well, and like most or all people who lie, some of what he said was true, overall producing a mix of truths and lies. It is also possible that he has a very low sexual drive.
What do you think?
anita
anitaParticipantEarly morning, rainy, coffee. Have a restful night, SadSoul.
anita
anitaParticipantFunny, poetic (!) funny Witty SadSoul. This evening I got angry irl at someone who said he’d bring barbecued salmon over, but didn’t. He heard my discontent loud and clear. I care to keep my word.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
Hush that voice, lower its volume, literally utter hushhh shhhhhhhh, kind of suffocate its voice under the hushing.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
I knew you’d survive the colonoscopy, and you’ll survive the recent bout of religious OCD. No wonder it got triggered in India, with your family, because that’s where it started.
“OCD is telling me that I am a bad Muslim. This theme sucks“- what if you talk back to the OCD and say to it: you suck, ocd! Maybe standing up to the ocd will make a difference!
“I always felt less anxious at my mother’s place, but now I don’t have the peace of mind.“- key word: less (anxious). OCD will make any person anxious, that’s why it sucks. What if now, that you are in the location where religious ocd started, what if you courageously talk back to it/ stand up to it?
anita
anitaParticipantContinued:
I never paid much attention to the word narcissistic (and to the diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, NPD) because it’s so commonly used online and elsewhere as name calling. It is only recently, that I am taking the term/ diagnosis seriously when it comes to my mother. I accepted long ago, that she is/ has been a mix of these personality disorders: Borderline, Histrionic, Paranoid, and Obsessive Compulsive, showing strong evidence for each part of this 4-part combo.
Understanding myself requires that I understand her because of the very, very long-term fusion- in my mind- between who I am, and who she is. Recently, I see that I cannot understand her without adding a 5th part of the 4-part combo above, a 5th part that is the basis for the other 4: her NPD, the covert type.
It explains her “highly developed compensatory false self” (quotes are from online sources about NPD) which created great confusion and self-doubt on my part: for how can such a nice, friendly, empathetic, good person- with others- be the bad mother that I personally, and privately experienced?
It explains why she didn’t see me as a person (entitled to my own thoughts and feelings, such that are not always identical to hers), how she was not about relating to me, but about dominating me, and using me to feel better; how she placed herself in the center of attention with me and in every social occasion, if it was possible for her to do so. It explains how I was not allowed to be a center of attention (except as a thing to be cleaned, dressed, fed, and brought back to health when I was sick with fever).
To her, I did not exist as a person, I was a thing that she expected to .. be her/ an extension of her who thinks her thoughts, feels her feelings at all times. It explains her RAGE, her narcissistic rage: “unreasonable, disproportional and cuttingly aggressive… intentionally trying to inflict pain.., on others“. It explains how in her mind, the problem was always someone else, always my fault. It explains why she never took in any of what I tried to educate her with (as a teenager, reading about psychology in books, trying to help her).
It explains to me that really, there was nothing I could have been differently or done differently to have anything but a troubled relationship with her. A healthy relationship was simply not possible: not because of who I was, but because of who she was/ is.
There are things I understand most recently that I never understood before: before, I thought that she was the only good person in the world, and everyone else was bad and taking advantage of her (that was her histrionic theme). Most recently, a thought occurred to me for the first time: if she was the only good person in the world, the only person in the world who is being taken advantage of (because she is good), who do all the many millions of bad people in the world taking advantage of? They can’t all be taking advantage of my mother..?
In other words, if (according to her theme), she is and has been the only victim in the world, and everyone else (including myself) are her victimizers/ the perpetrators.. who are all the many millions of perpetrators victimizing? Surely, my mother is not available to be victimized in every town, city, country, continent, every moment of every day and night?
Surely, my mother is not omnipresent, except in her own narcissistic mind where she is everywhere and there’s no one there but her.
* I am still not angry at her, still no-longer angry after a lifetime of angry..
anita
anitaParticipantDear SadSoul:
“I look forward to hearing about your cool parade day“- during the parade/ festivities, on a few occasions, in my own mind, I found myself telling you about what I was observing. I walked a lot during the 8 hours I was there. There was music and I enjoy the last 2 songs only, and even danced to them just a bit (how can one not dance to “I want to dance with somebody”, an impressive imitation of Whitney Houston’s 1987 video performance). The hands-free pie eating context: I was/ am too old to derive pleasure out of that kind of thing, walked away before it started, waste of pie.
“We pretty much nailed it! I’m exhausted now but also feeling satisfied with myself on this particular point“- when team-work works/ when people work well together.
“My son sent me a text! It’s so hard not asking him to catch up… That ball is firmly in his court waiting for him to serve it. Patience young padawan!“- this is what a good mother does.
Talking about Star Wars (from path of the jedi. com): “Anakin Skywalker’s attendance to the Jedi Academy was actually denied by the Jedi Council. He was already too old by that time and the Council was concerned by all the uncertainty they sensed from him. Believing that Anakin was the Chosen One who would ultimately bring balance to the Force, Qui-Gon saw this rejection as only a temporary set back but one that had to wait until more pressing matters were resolved on the planet of Naboo… It was at this moment on the hanger boarding their ship that Qui-Gon tells him, ‘Your focus determines your reality.’ Qui-Gon was the epitome of mindfulness, and fair or not, he believed this a valuable lesson for the young Anakin. After all, it’s never too soon to start training the Chosen One”-
– paralleling this to you: like Anakin Skywalker, you are currently denied attendance to your son’s life. Like Anakin, you feel uncertain. You can view this rejection as a temporary setback. it’s never too late for you to Choose your Focus on any day (and to choose peace-of-mind and calm because that would serve you- and those you care about- best).
anita
anitaParticipantDear SadSoul:
Just came back from the not a small-town events, but medium-town event, not where I live, but in the same county: parades, vendors, high school band and cheerleaders, local businesses parading, throwing kisses to the crowds, horses and Mexican dancers, Christian churches offering free water and popcorn.. TIRED.
anita
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