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December 17, 2024 at 6:35 am in reply to: growing up – becoming adul / procrastination – in connection to childhood trauma #440793
anitaParticipantDear Robi:
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Itâs great to see you embracing changes and finding a work environment that suits you. Working from a cafĂ© with your girlfriend and enjoying music sounds like a nice setup.
Itâs good to read that the message resonated with you. This year has indeed been intense for many, with lots of changes and challenges. Your interest in astrology makes sense if it helps you understand your experiences better.
Focusing on your online job and finding similar opportunities reads like a smart move. Since youâre not a fan of the structured environment of schools, exploring different options where you have more control is a great idea.
The ânow whatâ question is crucial. Knowing the root of your struggles is a big step, and now itâs about making changes that align with this new understanding. Start with small, manageable changes and build from there.
Youâre on a promising path. Keep going, and I wish you all the best in your journey.
anita
P.S. Cherish the Love is a great song choice! Music can really elevate the mood.
anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
I wanted to add that the first time I read your recent message was yesterday afternoon while sitting in the car (not while driving!) I don’t use my phone to reply because it’s difficult for me and I figured I’ll do it later. But reading it, I felt that I was reading something very special, as in the best thing I ever read on the forums. It felt very special. I also felt grateful to you for caring to send this message to me. So, thank you, Zenith!
anita
anitaParticipantDear CKS: sorry for repeating this part: “However, if the behavior continues despite your request, or if it escalates, consider reporting it to a trusted adult or school authority for further support”, still it’s a good point (if I make it just one time). I hope to read back from you.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
Iâm really glad I could be there for you. It means a lot to me to read that Iâve been able to make a difference during some of your toughest times. Youâve shown incredible strength in managing everything, especially when itâs hard to talk about mental health. Remember, youâre no alone in this, and Iâm always here to listen and support you. Take care, and donât hesitate to reach out whenever you need to share or just want to talk.
anita
anitaParticipantDear CKS:
I understand your frustration and the need to address this situation. Here are a few suggestions for responding in a way that is assertive, yet respectful:
Hi CC,
I hope you’re doing well. I wanted to talk about something that happened on the bus today. When you and your friends were repeatedly saying my full name, it felt a bit uncomfortable for me. Iâm sure you didnât mean any harm, but Iâd appreciate it if we could avoid that in the future.
Thanks for understanding.
Best regards, [Your Name]
Keeping the message calm and respectful helps prevent escalation and opens the door for a constructive dialogue. Clearly stating how the behavior made you feel and asking for it to stop is important. Â Acknowledging that the behavior might not have been intended to harm can help de-escalate any potential defensiveness.
* If the behavior continues despite your request, or if it escalates, consider reporting it to a trusted adult or school authority for further support.
Sending a respectful and clear message can often resolve issues like this. However, if the behavior continues despite your request, or if it escalates, consider reporting it to a trusted adult or school authority for further support.
Feel free to adjust the message as you see fit, and remember, you have every right to feel safe and respected at school. đ
anita
anitaParticipantDear beni:
Thank you for your kind words. I’m truly touched to red about your progress and the positive changes you’re experiencing. It sounds like you’re making significant strides in your journey toward healing and personal growth.
I want to respond to your recent post more thoroughly tomorrow, but for now: your experience with romantic love and the clarity you’ve gained through it is profound. Itâs wonderful that you’re finding a sense of calm and presence in your daily life. The work you’re doing with your psychologist in Gestalt therapy and focusing on your inner child seems to be making a real difference.
Feeling love and compassion for yourself, as you describe, is such a beautiful and crucial step. The fact that you can genuinely feel these self-affirmations and physical gestures of self-love indicates deep healing. It’s also great to read about your new language learning endeavor and how your brain is naturally stimulated by new experiences.
Your plan to face anxieties by starting with yourselfâtalking, playing, and taking yourself on dates like going to the cinemaâis a fantastic approach. Building a secure attachment with yourself first is a powerful strategy. It lays a strong foundation for healthy relationships with others.
I’ve found that creating secure attachments and nurturing self-compassion can be incredibly healing. Engaging in activities alone can help build confidence and comfort in your own company, which then enhances your interactions with others. Your insights are wise, and it’s inspiring to read about your journey.
I’m cheering you on as you continue to explore these new aspects of your life. Please keep sharing your successes and insightsâthey’re truly uplifting.
Take care, I’m looking forward to reading more about your progress. I will add to this post to you again Tues morning (it’s Mon afternoon here).
anita
December 16, 2024 at 11:39 am in reply to: growing up – becoming adul / procrastination – in connection to childhood trauma #440758
anitaParticipantDear Robi: You are very welcome! I will reply further later.
anitaParticipantYou are welcome, antarkala, and thank you for the offer. I am not used to getting (or responding to) such an offer. I appreciate it though, and will try to remember it.
anita
anitaParticipantDear beni:
I am sorry for the crowded format of my previous post. I will share about my Fused Identity Enmeshment Story in the simplest way possible:
Like any and every baby and young child, I too was enmeshed with my mother (primary caretaker). My identity and her identity were one (in my baby’s/ young child’s not yet done-developing brain). A separate identity on my part was supposed to develop with time and space.
My mother regularly and frequently expressed a lot of intense emotions to me (and to others, in my presence): intense hurt, shame, RAGE, suicide ideation, suicide and homicidal threats, all in very emotional, often loud voice, very emotional facial expressions, with dramatic physical gestures, lots of crying. Her undisciplined, over-emotionality dominated all of the space in my mind and heart.
It was almost entirely just me and her living in tiny apartment for the first 6 years of my life, before my sister was born. (My father was largely absent). And I spent all of my time outside of school, from 6 years-old and onward, inside the apartment. So, there were no significant social influences in my life growing up to counteract, or balance my mother’s influence on me.
For a child’s separate identity to emerge and develop, there must be space for it. My mother didn’t allow any space for me. So, no separate identity for me: I didn’t know what I felt or what I was supposed to feel. I remember watching a movie with her in the small bedroom: I watched her face looking for her emotions to register on her face, so to have a clue as to what I was supposed to feel. I was indecisive about everything, couldn’t figure ot my wants and preferences. I lived most of my adult life like a ship lost at sea, letting outside forces (the wind above, the water currents below) decide for me where I go and what I do.
The way a child knows what the mother feels is through empathy. Because she expressed so much emotional pain, my healthy empathy quickly turned into a source of great pain. It was no longer something healthy: it was an emotional burden that caried on to my experiences with other people. To care for others meant to be in pain. This empathy-gone-wrong has been a great hindrance in my prospects of connecting with others for help and support.
Things are changing for the better as a result of my emotional healing journey. I will be glad to share more with you if you relate to what I shared so far, and if you are interested in further Commnication with me.
anita
anitaParticipantDear beni:Thank you for sharing these deeply introspective and heartfelt posts on this tread. You expressed a very strong empathetic reaction to seeing people who appear alienated or dissociated. You seem to connect with their pain on a very deep level, which is overwhelming. Your emotions surface gradually, starting with depression and transitioning to anger. The emotional turmoil manifests physically, making it hard for you to function normally. This shows the strong mind-body connection in your very strong empathetic response.You use self-soothing techniques like holding yourself and massaging your belly to provide comfort. This is a healthy and nurturing response to your feelings of alienation and distress. Engaging in belly breathing can help calm your nervous system and reduce stress. It’s a practical way to manage your physical symptoms.I followed your posts, beni, since your first, on June 18, 2023. In your first thread you shared: “I think when I see someone having the same pain I feel understood on a deep level and it allows me to feel this pain too. Also it makes me quite scared to be out in the world. Cause I could lose myself“, and “I see her now and in sometimes I see myself… I belief she couldnât give me space, maybe I was part of meeting her needs. Like when you ask âhow are youâ but actually you create space to tell how you feel“, as well as:“Iâm often stuck in knowing what I want but not how and then I just start going to figure it out. Often doing it feels like a burden and there is little joy. I talk about stuff which is fun like Painting, Gardening“, and“It feels like I see the start and the end but no in between. The in-between is scary. Itâs restless”.On Nov 23 this year you shared: “I could not differentiate myself from others“, and today, in your post an hour ago: “I can not differentiate myself from others well. And i will mask / suppress myself.“What I see in these quotes and in the totality of what you shared in your three threads is a person whose identity has been fused with his mother’s identity, an enmeshment that extends to other people as well. This lack of differentiation, while it allows you to feel a lot (too much) empathy for others, it is accompanied with confusion, indecisiveness, lack of motivation, difficulties in asserting independence and in developing a distinct sense of self.If, like it happened to me,  you internalized your mother’s expectations, emotions, and behaviors, it creates significant internal conflict and confusion about your own desires and needs. Feeling responsible for your mother’s emotions, the constant burden of managing external emotions and expectations (your mother’s, others’) understandably drain the intrinsic motivation needed to find joy in activities, even those that are personally meaningful to you.Working with a therapist, especially one experienced in family dynamics and enmeshment, can help you develop a stronger sense of self and healthier boundaries. Practices like journaling can help you further explore your own thoughts and feelings independently of your mother’s influence. Maintaining your current personal boundaries can help you build confidence in your own agency and reduce the emotional burden of managing others’ feelings.More about enmeshment and my personal experience of having been enmeshed with my mother for decades in my next post.anita
anitaParticipantHello Jana:
Thank you for your encouragement. It makes me đ to follow your healing journey, documented here in the forums!
I can see the snow on the mountains around here. Maybe it will be a white Christmas. I hope that you are enjoying the Christmas atmosphere.
anita
anitaParticipantContinued: the revival, for a moment, of ALL, of everything that has been oh, so tragically buried for so long, and now erupts just a bit, to the surface, all the unlived life, all the togetherness that wasn’t there, a togetherness longed for so deeply for so long. Loneliness endured for too long, way too long, a death in the midst of life.
anita
anitaParticipantDear beni: I will reply to you Mon morning (it’s Sun eve here)
anita
December 15, 2024 at 8:52 am in reply to: How healthy is the idea that you are 100% responsible #440693
anitaParticipantDear Danny:
I want to dive deeper into the distinction between guilt, blame and responsibility, and how they relate to radical acceptance:
Guilt involves a moral judgment, where a person feels they have done something wrong or have failed to do something that was the right thing to do. It often carries a heavy emotional weight, leading to feelings of shame and self-blame.
Living with guilt can be toxic and damaging, being that feeling guilty all the time is harmful to one’s mental and emotional health, leading to feelings of worthlessness, anxiety, and depression, especially when it pertains to situations beyond oneâs control, such as being abused, diagnosed with an illness, or losing loved ones.
If someone is abused, it is not their fault. They did not cause the abuse. Feeling guilty for being in an abusive situation is very harmful because the responsibility lies with the abuser, not the victim. Â Feeling guilty about being abused (or about having an illness, or about losing loved ones), leads to unnecessary stress and emotional pain because it implies that the person is to blame for something they couldnât prevent.
Feeling guilty for things that are not within our controlâsuch as abuse, illness, or the death of loved onesâis unfair and harmful. Instead, it’s healthier to understand that these situations are not our fault and to focus on healing and self-compassion.
Responsibility, on the other hand, is about understanding and owning the outcomes of oneâs actions. Itâs about recognizing the role we play in certain situations, but not assuming blame for things beyond our control.
Taking responsibility means being accountable for our own actions and their consequences. For example, if you miss a deadline at work because you procrastinated, taking responsibility would involve acknowledging that your actions (or lack thereof) caused the missed deadline.
Responsibility isnât just about negative consequences. It also involves owning the positive outcomes of our actions. If you work hard and achieve success, taking responsibility means acknowledging your effort and contribution to that success.
In many situations, our actions or decisions contribute to the outcome. Recognizing the role we play means understanding how our behavior influences the situation. Itâs about identifying what we can control and how our choices impact those areas. For instance, we canât control the weather, but we can choose to carry an umbrella if rain is forecasted.
There are many factors in life that we cannot control, such as natural disasters, other peopleâs actions, or genetic predispositions to certain illnesses. We should not blame ourselves for these uncontrollable factors.
Imagine you are driving and using your phone, and you get into a car accident, hitting a car in front of you. Responsibility is you acknowledging that being on your phone caused you to not notice the car in front of you stopping, leading to the accident. You take steps to avoid distractions while driving in the future (no more using the phone while driving). You donât assume responsibility for the other driverâs actions or the weather conditions that might have contributed to the accident. Those factors are beyond your control.
If another driver hits you, you are responsible for how you respond to the situationâcalling emergency services, exchanging insurance details, etc. You donât blame yourself for the other driverâs reckless behavior. Thatâs their responsibility, not yours.
Focusing on responsibility over blame empowers you to take control of what you can change. It shifts the focus to proactive behavior and personal growth. Recognizing what is beyond your control helps reduce unnecessary self-blame and fosters a healthier mindset. Taking responsibility is empowering because it focuses on what we can controlâour actions, reactions, and decisions. It encourages proactive behavior and personal growth.
Radical acceptance involves fully accepting reality as it is, without judgment or resistance. This doesnât mean endorsing harmful situations, but rather acknowledging their existence and our feelings about them. By accepting what we cannot change, we reduce the suffering caused by resisting or denying reality. This acceptance allows us to focus our energy on what we can controlâour responses and actions moving forward.
You are not responsible for the abuse inflicted upon you. The abuser is responsible for their actions. However, you can take responsibility for your healing and the steps you take to ensure your safety and well-being moving forward.
Feeling guilty for being in an abusive relationship is misplaced. Itâs important to shift the focus from self-blame to self-compassion and empowerment.
Accepting what we cannot change allows us to redirect our energy towards actions that can make a positive difference. Itâs about finding the balance between accepting reality and taking proactive steps within our sphere of influence.
Radical acceptance fosters a healthy mindset by encouraging us to focus on constructive actions. Itâs not about accepting blame for what we are not responsible for.
In my case, growing up (more accurately, growing into/ stagnating in shame and guilt), my mother made me feel responsible for her pain, which is a form of emotional manipulation and abuse. This guilt has been so vey toxic and damaging to me because it was based on false accusations and a distorted view of reality. Living with this guilt can led to me feeling worthless, ashamed, and deserving blame. This guilt was imposed on me unfairly (I now say, didn’t know it for decades, not fully) and does not my your true worth or actions.
I am not responsible for my motherâs abusive behavior. Her actions were her own choices, and she is accountable for them. I did not cause her to hit me or call me names; those were her decisions.
Taking responsibility in this context means recognizing that I have the power to heal and take control of my life moving forward. Itâs about understanding that now (in the present time) I can choose how to respond to these past experiences. Even though I couldn’t control what happened to me back then, I can control my responses and actions now: I can choose to focus on healing and personal growth. I can take positive actions to improve current situation and future. This mindset shift helps move from feeling like I am now (an adult, living far away and being in no contact with my mother) a complete victim of my past to ===> seeing myself as a survivor and a thriver. It’s about recognizing my agency and resilience.
anita
December 14, 2024 at 2:52 pm in reply to: growing up – becoming adul / procrastination – in connection to childhood trauma #440580
anitaParticipantDear Robi:
Robi, June 8, 2018: “âI’ve never really liked my parents that much. Well. when I was really young (kindergarten young), I used to cry every time they took me there and I used to love spending a lot of time with them, but I guess things changed on the way. I began not really liking them or respecting them that much. One of the things I hated about them was the fact that in secondary school, after my courses I had to go to their workplace and spend the day there with them until they finish and go home together. I didnât like that. I wasnât really doing anything but existing there.“.
Robi, Feb 18, 2024: “I was born in â92 in Eastern Europe and I grew up in a flat with my parents. I didnât have my own room, or my own space â that wasnât a priority for my parents. Most of my childhood Iâve lived in a guest room which served also as a storage room for my parentâs stuff. The door was made of glass, so Iâve had no privacy. No effort has been made to make the room more suitable for me. I often felt like I wanted to hide, to keep something to myself…During summer holidays we would go to our lake house. We would spend months in total there. I hated it. I kept telling my parents I didnât want to be there, but the answer was always the same. They didnât want to spend their time in the city, they wanted to relax. Similarly, at the lake house we all slept in one room, and I didnât get much space for myself. Also, Iâve had no friends there. I felt alone and caged.“Â
Robi, Dec 14, 2024: “I keep running and I donât seem to want to root myself anywhere. The moment I start growing any roots I want to leave. Why am I even here in Warsaw? What am I doing in this cold country? Why am I wasting my years living an unrooted life? Donât I want to build anything? Donât I want a family? These days Iâve been thinking more and more maybe I shouldnât be here at all. Maybe I should break up with my girlfriend and of courseâŠ(you guessed it), start over. I find myself having to find reasons for being in this relationship and question if I actually love my partner. I thought thatâs why I first moved from Spain to Poland the first time, and the second time this year. Sometimes all this is so confusing. Let me guess.. same philosophy applies here too? Easy job, easy life, easy relationship. I seem to want to live a life of no effort at all.“-
My analysis of the above (the boldfaced are your exact words taken from the above quotes): I think that you want to live a life of no effort at all because you are exhausted from years of running away from being alone and caged with parents who did not understand you, having no space for yourself, not doing anything but existing, and then running back to being alone and caged. Then running away and then back.
I think that as an adult, you’ve been running physically, more like flying to different places, away from home aka the cage. But way before that you’ve been running back and forth emotionally, and that has been exhausting. You could be just sitting there, but running-inside, unsettled, stress hormones secreted into the blood, making the heart run, or more accurately, prepare to run by pumping more oxygen into the blood, reaching the muscles, preparing for a physical run that never takes place.
The early part of you that used to cry every time they took you to kindergarten, the part of you that used to love spending a lot of time with them, that part is still within you running toward your parents, emotionally running, sometimes physically (flying back home to them). There is another part of you that changed on the way and began not really liking them or respecting them, even hated them. This part is within you, running away from them.
There is a conflict between these two running parts, and the running is exhausting. no matter you get so exhausted in regard to work and your relationship with your girlfriend. Everything is exhausted when there is a serious, ongoing conflict within.
If all of you wanted to run away from your parents, life would’ve been so much easier for you and autonomy accomplished. It’s the conflict that’s exhausting you and keeping you stuck.
Fact is that your parents- for whatever reasons- disregarded your emotional and social needs, and therefore, your childhood was marked by neglect/ an absence of emotional support, and lack of personal space, leading to your long-standing feelings of restlessness and uncertainty, feelings that accompany a sense of alienation/ of not belonging.
Is this analysis of any help, Robi.. maybe?
As far as winter here, it’s very, very windy today, scary windy.
anita
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