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  • in reply to: Is it okay to want to be happy? #422478
    anita
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    Dear Kodi:

    We communicated a bit back in Sept 2016, SEVEN years ago, in Nov-Dec 2017, and a bit in Aug 2021. In your four threads (the current dating July 2023), you shared that you have suffered from “severe anxiety and depression“,  since you were a teenager, panic attacks, OCD, and your “biggest trigger has ALWAYS been the fear of severe illness”.

    You “have tried everything through the years – many, many, medications (most of which I cannot tolerate) counseling, cognitive behavioral therapy, supplements“, but no long-lasting improvement has occurred.

    (the boldface in the following is my addition): “I’m utterly exhausted from all the fear, frustration, anger, depression, irritability, guilt – basically every negative emotion you can have. I don’t like my son to see me like this. I try so hard to turn the negatives into positives, but it seems that whenever I do, something goes wrong… There’s no reason for me to be so unhappy except that it runs in my family and I’m an introverted empath. I feel like a horrible person…. You are spot on about learning to worry about health issues from a parent. I don’t blame myself for their anxiety, nor do I blame them. Unfortunately, I’m doing the same thing with my son. I’m aware of it and I try to keep it in control, but I fear I’ve instilled it in a him. He has different triggers than I do, and he’s not nearly as anxious as I, but I see it“-

    -seems to me that what happened was that as a child and teenager, you sort of drowned in your parents’ anxiety and you’ve been floundering ever since, struggling to come up to the surface of the water for air. Whenever you do get to the surface, something goes wrong and you go down under yet again.

    I imagine that you cared for your parents a whole lot, being a very empathetic child,  and it distressed you so much to see them anxious. Maybe you were afraid to lose them to what scared them so much, afraid to be left alone.

    I wonder if any one of your parents still expresses their anxiety to you.. that would keep you under water, so to speak.

    Do you relate to my drowning analogy? I would like to communicate with you about this more in depth, if you are reading this and willing.

    anita

    in reply to: Love lost #422476
    anita
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    Dear Ben:

    He said before he had had a girlfriend who threatened suicide after they broke up“- in this sentence, He refers to your love-interest (not to his boyfriend).. I am not sure..?

    anita

    in reply to: Coping with Suffering of Other Beings? #422469
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Anna:

    When I read your post for the first time back in Aug 19, a month and 6 days ago, I was very impressed by your heart and mind, and I still am. This sentence particularly stands out to me: “Today, I try in every choice I do, to be the change I want to see. But I want to contribute to the change with love and compassion, not with hatred or cynicism”-  beautifully said!

    Re-reading this sentence on this Mon morning is helping my resolution to be the change I want to see in others, to deliver  whatever message I have in mind-  with love and compassion. Thank you, Anna!

    anita

    in reply to: Love lost #422468
    anita
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    Dear Ben:

    I didn’t read your recent long post yesterday. I read it this morning for the first time, and did not expect such a development, my goodness! The ending of the post, him saying: “Would you let me care for the injury I gave to your heart?” made me smile. I can see (in my mind’s eye) what’s so lovable about him, or a good part of what’s lovable about him: his child-like expressions, like drawing a heart with his hand,  his “slightly impulsive gesture that is part of his character”, as you said.

    You told him all the right things. About his boyfriend (or ex?) doing “something crazy”- he didn’t threaten suicide, did he? He talked about seeing a psychiatrist and wanting to change.. I didn’t read anything he said that referred to self-harm or suicide..?

    anita

    in reply to: Love lost #422446
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Ben:

    I have to be away from the computer for a while. I’ll read and reply to  you Mon morning (if not this evening). Please feel free to post more updates anytime you’d like to. Take care of yourself!

    anita

    anita
    Participant

    Dear Arden:

    Thank you for your kind words and empathy.

    Today I was alone and I’ve opened up a video-call with my mother and we kept what we were doing… when we’re not together, I don’t see being neglected that much and we can have a nice conversation, so it works“- it works for you to be thousands of miles from your mother; it works for me too to be thousands of miles away from my mother (and in my case: no video or any other contact)

    Then as usual, they got angry at each other with her husband…  I found myself listening (to) them being angry, and aggressive at each other. Regardless of who’s right or wrong, I felt how fast all of those feelings were transferred to me. I was like a child, listening to the argument taking place where I am at, and having nothing but to listen and soak up all the negativity. Me soaking up all the negativity doesn’t even help them relax, it just happens. I suddenly felt depressed for a moment“-(1)  this is a valuable testimony to how disturbing it is for a child to witness arguments and aggression between parents, and how it is still disturbing for an adult. (2) I hope that your next video call will not include them arguing (tell her that you don’t want this to happen again while on video, or cut the call short one an argument starts: this is the benefit of video and living thousands of miles away!

    I am realizing how I am inclined to feel responsible for others’ misery… I feel responsible for their pain. I feel guilty, and I cannot understand why that happens“- it’s natural for a child to feel responsible for her parents’ misery and pain. For a child, taking such responsibility brings hope: if the child is responsible for a parent’s misery.. the child can make their misery stop (so the child’s thinking or believing goes).

    About courage, and moving alone: I just postponed how I felt..  I haven’t had much time to be emotional in my last three months. I was so afraid before, when everything was vague. For a year, whenever I remember about this relocation possibility, my hands was shaking, my pulse probably elevated each time. But then when it has happened, I feel so much better than I expected. It just happened all at once. Maybe that’s a good example of how anxiety works“- a valuable example and testimony to how anxiety works, and how you can manage and successfully move through it.

    I was so afraid of losing him for a job or for a better life…  I still get a bit anxious towards normal stuff, like jealousy or being afraid that he’ll stop trusting me or trying and so on. But I guess that’s normal. I just think that way because of how I was treated in the past.”- and now, you have some power, in your current life, to think differently, to act differently and to manage your anxiety successfully, one day at a time.

    I am so glad that you’ve found my words refreshing, I hope that you’ll have more refreshed & happy days and moments“- thank you. Your move to a different country in itself is refreshing to me!

    In regard to your post that you addressed to me on the other thread: “As for being passive aggressive, I guess I just mixed those with my toxic thoughts in my head. I don’t show them“- being passive-aggressive is a behavior, not a thought pattern.. so you are not passive-aggressive.

    I remember how bad I can think of some people and not show them that. Then I feel a bit like a hypocrite. Maybe that’s what confuses me and makes me think of myself as a passive aggressive person“- there are reasons why you think badly of people/ why you negatively judge them: envying carefree people is one such reason, the desire to be carefree yourself is behind it. The more carefree you manage to become, the less envious and the more positively you will think of others.

    I guess we need to remember that the sides that we don’t like about ourselves also exist on others, and they do not share it“- exactly! But the more you share with me and the more I share with you, the better people we become.

    Thanks for sharing what you think about this and relieving my thoughts about myself.“- you are very welcome, Arden!

    anita

    in reply to: Love lost #422442
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Ben:

    Him:  “I miss you so much. I woke up this morning with the desire to get on a plane and hug you for hours‘… I can’t manage to forget youWhenever I try, I don’t manage to. I don’t want to“.

    You: “I still love you. For me it was a true love, and I’m prepared to follow that love. It seems like it either wasn’t for you, or that it was, but you can’t accept it was true love, or that you don’t deserve this type of love”.

    Him: “Help me conquer my fears, my insecurities” and a crying emoji.

    You: “You have to share them with me for me to help”.

    Him: “I’m worried that you think my course is stupid, that you wouldn’t support me and that you wouldn’t want to be together long distance“-

    * I am not sure I understand his last response right above: by course, he means his planned years- long medical studies? And by long-distance, he is referring to studying in Argentina while you keep living in the UK?

    You were the practical one in the exchange above, trying to put a feeling (love, longing, desire) into a practical application: a monogamous, committed relationship where the two of you live and love together (after he finishes medical school, or  before?) Without a practical application for love, his expressed loving feelings for you are… a thrill for you to hear/read about, but effectively, they’re in your way, blocking you from moving on and having a life together with a man you love. Do you agree?

    anita

     

     

    in reply to: Extremely painful breakup and confusion #422441
    anita
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    Dear Stacy:

    I feel that my eating issues and health anxiety is objectively hard to live with and be around, as everyone in my life has admitted this to me“-

    – your mother and sister are the most influential of the people in your life who admitted this to you, right? But thing is, you did not develop in a vacuum, but through interactions with your family members, and those interactions led to your health issues. Let’s say you end up living with an emotionally healthy-enough man, one who sleeps through the night (unlike your sister who suffers from severe insomnia, yelling at her son in the middle of the night),  a man who (unlike your mother) does not watch Gunsmoke all day, tunning you out.. in these different circumstances, you will have the opportunity to experience much improvement in regard to your eating and health anxiety issues.

    I just really miss him..“- you miss escaping your home life during the weekends with him, don’t you?

    My mom has always loved me in the ways she knew how – cooking for me and trying to take care of me when I was sick.“- amazing, when I used to think that my mother loved me, I thought of these same exact two things as evidence of her (alleged) love.

    She’s preoccupied by her own misery… I know her way of showing me love has been Christmas presents and monetary expressions of love when she can. It’s why Christmas is so depressing for me, I want to fast forward straight through it“- if she truly loved you during Christmas, you would be looking forward to Christmas, wanting Christmas to last forever.

    I see her attempts to love me with this“- failed attempts.. (the proof is in the pudding, like I mentioned before).

    I constantly look at other places to stay and you’re right that any other place with a peaceful schedule could be better. My car broke down AGAIN last night. I’m stuck at home physically when this happens, but also stuck because I keep having to put my paychecks into fixing the car rather than saving to move.“- I am sorry that your car broke down again. I am guessing that there is no public transportation in your small town, so you can’t work and save money not owning a car at all..?

    Everyone knows my sister and brother around here…  This is a very small town… I can’t seem to make new connections without them being connected to someone else“- moving far away will be a good thing for you, away from everyone who knows everyone.

    I know that your situation is difficult, objectively and subjectively. I hope that it gets better very soon on both fronts.

    anita

    in reply to: Frustrated #422440
    anita
    Participant

    Dear LunaIsHere:

    You are welcome and thank you for your empathy!

    I can see how you’re drawing the link between the parent-child bond and my inquiry and I expected this to be brought up given they’re the most common models in terms of a healthy (or not) couple partnership. So to get back to your question, like any other child, I have received powerful messages from my environment on how to act and be in a couple… For more context, I’m very passionate about self-development and I’m very future-oriented when it comes to matters of the heart.“-

    – you are very intelligent, educated, an intellectual.. I wonder if, like I have been most of my life, you too remove yourself from  a hands-on, emotional experience of life, so to speak, in the context of relationships, romantic and/ or otherwise, mostly limiting your experience to the intellect?  I wonder if you are trying to intellectually understand the matters of the heart before you experience these matters hands-on?

    I’m asking about getting mentally ready for being in a relationship through self-development. For more context, I’m very passionate about self-development“-

    self development has to include social development because we are social animals, and the self is not separated from the social. You find out a whole lot more about yourself in the context of genuinely interacting with other people than you do when alone (or when you socialize with others but in a detached, removed way). In other words, there’s a lot about you that you can never get to know or understand unless you are personally and genuinely involved in a relationship.

    “My question comes back to what extent can I help myself get to the point where I can have a healthy relationship if I don’t have a reference to it. I realize that is a big question given that first relationships often end up being a test before one really settles but even them, with enough work on oneself, can be constructive in terms of gaining social experience and a better understanding of people“-

    – (1) I think that I understand your anxiety about having had no reference to a healthy romantic relationship, not as a witness and not as a participant. (2) When facing any big question, it is helpful to break it down to small pieces. When you get to the point of having what may be a beginning of a committed romantic relationship, at that point, take  it one step at a time, one day at a time, or one hour at a time. (3) I don’t know what you mean by a first relationship being a test…?

    anita

    anita
    Participant

    Dear anonymous03:

    I feel fine, tired but fine, thank you for asking. And you are welcome! I appreciate your kind words and your honesty and assertiveness, that you respectfully disagree with me. Coming to think about it, this concept of respectfully disagreeing with a person is not something I ever experienced growing up: disagreement and disrespect were synonymous words! So, thank you for the refreshing experience of reading your post this morning, it is bringing a smile to my face right now!

    anita

    in reply to: Looking for perspective – sorry, very long #422434
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Positivitea:

    You are welcome!

    Generally, I don’t feel deserving of empathy in light of mistakes – even though I would certainly show empathy to a friend!“- the book Healing the Shame that Binds you by John Bradshaw comes to mind. Paraphrasing part of it, it says that when people suffer from toxic shame (as opposed to healthy shame) they try to make NO mistakes = to be MORE than human; or they don’t care anymore and make mistakes carelessly = being LESS than human. I know a person of the first kind, very anxious in general: it’s very difficult to live with the pressure of being more than human. I used to be the second kind, at least in a certain context. The healthy way: none of these two extremes.

    Applying empathy to myself continues to be very difficult, however – especially during times of feeling more anxious“- that was true to me too and the origin of this difficulty: when I made mistakes as a child (including what were not really mistakes),  my mother did not respond to me with empathy (while gently guiding me to do better next time), but with condemnation, which caused me a lot of anxiety in regard to the next time I will make a mistake. Fast forward, as an adult,  I responded this way to myself when I made real or suspected mistakes: a mix of self-condemnation and heightened anxiety.

    Do you have any tips to applying empathy to oneself?“- it takes Noticing when you are judging yourself negatively for having made a mistake, then Pause (take a time out from the judging), then Address the situation (did I make a mistake? What was the mistake? Is there something I need to say or do as a result of having made this or that mistake?). Next, Respond (say or do that something), or not. Finally Redirect (place your attention elsewhere). I call it the NPARR strategy: Notice, Pause, Address, Respond-or-not, Redirect.

    It will be helpful to address the origin of your personal toxic shame (which is behind your feeling that you do not deserve empathy in light of making mistakes, but other people do) and resolve it (easier said than done, of course).

    I’m also finding it hard to get my head round how negatively people in the media are treated having made mistakes, and feel that if they are being judged and treated so harshly, I too deserve the same ‘punishment’. We live in a very judgmental society these days, I feel.“- I agree. Growing up, my own home was a judgmental society orchestrated by my mother: when she did not shame me directly for real (or imagined) mistakes, she shamed other people for mistakes and imperfections while gossiping about them, which I overheard a lot. This 2nd hand shaming, together with the .. 1st hand shaming, affected me very negatively.  It made me very self-conscious and very anxious.

    Watching other people being shamed in the media is that kind of 2nd hand, indirect (yet effective) shaming, isn’t it?

    anita

    anita
    Participant

    Dear Arden:

    I will be reading and replying to your post here and the one on your other thread Sun morning (it is now Sat morning here). Please take good care of yourself!

    anita

    in reply to: Love lost #422415
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Ben:

    I am glad my last post was somewhat helpful to you, thank you for letting me know (I like feeling helpful!). I am in a hurry now and expect to have a busy day, so I expect to be able to read and reply to your post of 20 minutes ago tomorrow morning, in about 22 hours from now.

    anita

    in reply to: What is my fault – I smiled too much #422414
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Annie:

    We communicated Sept 10- Sept 21, 2018, five years ago, almost to the day.

    You shared back then: “I had some traumatic childhood experience…  I was a victim of abuse and it started at 6… since I suffered abuse I was scared of anyone’s touch. I couldn’t hug my Papa also. We never shared a hug“. You shared nothing else back then about the abuse/ the traumatic childhood experience you suffered.

    At the time, you mentioned a sister, but you didn’t mention any brothers: “I had dreams of doing something for my parents for me for my sister.

    Fast forward to Aug 17, 2023, you shared (in this thread): “They were supposed to be my brothers as per the worldly relationships“. And what did they do to you when you were 6 or 8-year old?  You didn’t say, but suggested, or it reads to me, that they sexually abused you: “Maybe I smiled too much… Give out a wrong hint.. mislead them?.. if I had a normal childhood where brothers act like their normal self I would not have been afraid of people in general“.

    You asked a month ago: “What is my fault? May be I smiled too much as a six year old…  I am still asking this 30-40 years later. From the time I gained conscience, I have been trying to figure out what I did wrong. I have not been able to find any answer“.

    Five years ago, you talked about guilt: “I am unable to love myself…  I feel extremely guilty…feeling guilty all the time… I feel I am the one responsible for everything happening. No one else is responsible, what should I do with the thoughts. I am battling with them but they are getting louder.

    My input today: like in your case, Guilt (with a capital G) sucked the joy out of my life. Like you, there were times (the longest lasting a few months), when I felt happy (“I was a happy self made girl before I met him. I worked hard throughout my studies and career and I had dreams of doing something for my parents for me for my sister“, you wrote in Sept 2018), but it didn’t last long because it was only a matter of time before Guilt returned to rob me of the joy of living.

    In my case, I felt Guilty about my mother’s misery in life and I took full responsibility for it. I believed that I did not deserve peace of mind, let alone joy, unless I made it up to her for all the wrongs I allegedly did to her. Like in your case, these thoughts were often loud and louder. A person feeling this Guilty cannot feel content or happy except during exceptional times (like during traveling), and otherwise, in moments here and there.

    My mother told me that I was responsible for her misery, at least for a large part of it, and I believed her. She never cared to tell me otherwise, even though my Guilt was visible and audible, as I did try to make it up to her, and failed.

    When I think about your case, having been abused by your brothers, I imagine that maybe you were blamed for it, maybe you were not, but in any case:  no one told you that you were not to be blamed for it, no one told you early on (when you were a child) that it was not your fault.

    When a child is abused by a trusted family member, the child naturally feels responsible for the wrong that happened/ Guilty , and without anyone telling the child early on that it wasn’t the child’s fault, the child keep feeling guilty way into adulthood.

    From the time I gained conscience, I have been trying to figure out what I did wrong. I have not been able to find any answer“- as an abused child, you did NOTHING wrong. You were not responsible for the abuse. It was NOT your fault.

    But you needed to hear this and be convinced of it as a child. The Guilt has been going on for too long. Guilt went on too long for me too, but the good news: I don’t feel guilty for my mother’s misery anymore. What a relief!  I would like to share more about it with you, but I don’t know if you are even reading this. Please let me know…?

    anita

    in reply to: Frustrated #422364
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Luna:

    In your three posts, you shared (the italicized are your words, with adjusted pronouns) that you are in your early 20s, a practical person who has never had a committed romantic relationship. You feel inexperienced, even a bit naive when it comes to intimacy on an emotional level, intimidated by your lack of understanding of relationships on a realistic level. You think that one will be very beneficial to you, in term of your current personal growth;  that some dating experience will help you become a better version of yourself.

    You shared that you are more introspective than most people, but you are starting to feel that what you need to learn next, is no longer up to your self-reflection- alone or in the context of friendships- but something deeper than both.

    I have some concerns about dating, mainly because of the models I’ve seen throughout my life in relationships“- I am guessing (and please do correct me if I am wrong) that what you witnessed growing up, and still (?), are romantic relationships that did not promote personal growth, maybe even stunted personal growth, and therefore, you are very hesitant about getting into one.

    My question now is how can I best make the most out of this feeling and if some of you have felt this before, I’d love to hear your story“- (by this feeling, you were referring to feeling inexperienced even a bit naive when it comes to intimacy on an emotional level).

    My answer/ my story: before I ever had a beginning of a romantic relationship, I was already experienced in the context of romantic relationships: not as a participant, but as a witness. The witnessing itself equaled the experience: my earliest and only memory of the romantic relationship between my mother and father is that of the time I was about 5-years-old. It was night time, they were fighting. There was screaming, hitting perhaps… my mother said she was going to kill herself.  They left the apartment into the night. I was left alone..  I left the apartment myself, looking for my mother, afraid to find her dead. When I found her in the street (there were other people there), I was so happy to see her alive! I ran to her.. ran for her to take me in her arms, exclaiming out loud: oh mother, you are alive! But seems like my exclamation embarrassed her in front of the people, as if I made a secret- public, and she retorted: why wouldn’t I be alive?  Angry, she did not take me into her arms. Angry, she left me alone in my confusion and emotional devastation.

    Quite a story, isn’t it? Thing is, it may be relevant to you even if your story is less extreme: when as children, we witness emotionally charged situations that feel threatening to us (a mother’s possible death is threatening to a child!), we are emotionally involved in those situations. And so, in the apartment, as a 5-year-old, peeking through the door of my small room, I personally experienced the horror a few feet away as a witness.

    Next, I experienced something as a participant: running toward my mother and her rejection of me, leaving me alone in confusion and emotional devastation. This experience does not get contained in a child-parent category, leaving future romantic relationships untouched. As an adult, I had no trust that a man will be any different from my mother.

    Back to your words: feeling inexperienced even a bit naive when it comes to intimacy on an emotional level– I assume that as a child, as a witness and a participant, you gained powerful experiences, some positive, other negative,  when it comes to intimacy. Did you?

    anita

     

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