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July 23, 2017 at 5:48 am #159660
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GuestDear Tati:
I still suffer anxiety around food because of my history of eating disorders. Binge eating was a very painful experience for me and I still fear it.
I learned that indeed, severe restriction leads to severe overeating/ bingeing. So avoid severe restricting.
I also learned that I got so attached to eating because it is so pleasurable. As a child, my life experience was so miserable, so much of the time, that food was the break I craved- and still crave- from that misery.
What I really wanted all along is to feel good. This is the valid message in my craving food: I want to feel good.
The title of your thread is “Why do we self-destruct?”- as in by bingeing. My answer: because we are afraid, afraid of feeling as badly as we already did, and wanting so desperately to feel good, safe, content, unafraid.
anita
July 23, 2017 at 9:52 am #159718Inky
ParticipantHi Tatjana,
There is something about the 3/4 mark that makes us freak out. I think you were almost over your food addiction/battle, but then when “it” is almost killed, it rallies and comes back seemingly stronger than before.
I think the way to go now is Moderation. Have three meals a day and a snack. No more no less. Couple that with reading meditations or passages from sacred texts perhaps. And fill up your time between the eating.
Good Luck!
Inky
July 23, 2017 at 10:01 am #159720Tatjana
ParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for sharing your experience.
I think you are right. This is about wanting to feel good. The strange thing is that I stopped overeating for a while because I wanted to feel better. And yet, getting rid of ED brings new fears and anxiety, which was just covered by the addictive behaviour.
As someone once said, every addiction starts and ends with pain. So I’m not sure how to deal with the pain, and especially the numbness, without food. It will take a while to have new healthy habits. I hope these habits will bring me the contentment I seem to be lacking.July 23, 2017 at 10:23 am #159728Tatjana
ParticipantDear Inky,
I never thought of it that way! Never really studied the recovery process, I don’t know much about its phases…but what you say definitely makes a lot of sense. Moderation is a hard thing to achieve, especially in times when you have to shake up your routine. I tend to be a bit lazy with my efforts and my eating plan, and slip back really easily because I think I’ve got it all under control… actually, suffering from an ED probably requires constant diligence and vigilance. I definitely struggle with that.
Thank you for your advice!!
July 24, 2017 at 6:52 am #159864Anonymous
GuestDear Tati:
You are welcome.
You wrote: “getting rid of ED brings new fears and anxiety”- anxiety exists before, during and after an eating disorder. Disordered eating is the result of anxiety and the cause for more anxiety.
You wrote: “I’m not sure how to deal with the pain, and especially the numbness, without food”- first step in dealing is enduring, that is, to endure the pain without automatically reacting to it. To suffer without trying to stop the suffering in any which way.
Mental health is about replacing automatic/impulsive reactions with thoughtful choices.
And you wrote: “It will take a while to have new healthy habits. I hope these habits will bring me the contentment I seem to be lacking”- habits are hard to change, but possible. In my experience, the power of the will is not enough. It is empathy for myself, gentleness toward myself that is necessary. After all, it is empathy (love) we needed in childhood, not (more) food. We still need the same thing… not more food.
Post again, anytime.
anita
July 24, 2017 at 2:41 pm #159952Tatjana
ParticipantDear Anita,
All of this was so well thought out and intelligent, thank you so much. I need this in times of confusion.
I got all the right moves for a while there. I was enduring, as you said, and I was looking after myself with deep empathy, to the point where I cried about myself quite a few times. But then, I seem to forget. This is why I come here, in hope that someone will remind of the steps I need to take. I feel less alone, thank you.
July 25, 2017 at 8:47 am #160084Anonymous
GuestDear Tati:
You are very welcome. Return here anytime and I will remind you! We do forget what work for us. Key is to return to what worked before, to persist and learn more about what it is that works. There is always more to learn.
anita
July 25, 2017 at 6:18 pm #160202Mark
ParticipantHi Tatjana,
Moderation is good advice, but also just taking little steps forward everyday can also really help. Everyday you can get a little better. Try to focus on the progress… it can be a really beautiful feeling. It could help to make a list of things you want to change, then a set of realistic steps toward each of those changes. Then every day you can move forward toward one of the goals. Who is the person you want to become? You can still do anything you decide to focus on. Focus on the hope that becoming better causes, and be gentle with yourself when you have a set back.
July 27, 2017 at 11:05 am #160536Tatjana
ParticipantDear Mark,
Thank you for your inspiring words. Discipline is necessary with the eating but also with everything else – the ultimate goal is not to stop the ED, but to be happy, to me. I will try and take more steps towards that goal. A while ago, I started journaling everything but I stopped. I feel that this could be helpful.
Thank you again, it means a lot 🙂
July 28, 2017 at 8:42 am #160750Tatjana
ParticipantDear Anita,
Also, may I just say, your commitment to this thread and to this site, is amazing and inspiring. Thank you for what you do for others.
July 28, 2017 at 9:31 am #160756Anonymous
GuestDear Tati/Tatjana:
Thank you for your expressed appreciation- I value it. My commitment to your thread and to others’ threads go hand in hand with my commitment to my individual healing.
anita
September 11, 2017 at 1:36 am #168246Tatjana
ParticipantHi guys!
Just to continue on this thread, and because something quite shameful happened to me today, I’ve decided to vent a little. Just because I feel such shame that I can’t talk to anyone about it.
I’m staying at my friends’ place these days and anxiety has been building up. I’m going through a lot of (positive!) changes these days, but somehow that makes me freak out. And so today while my friends were out, I started eating leftovers from the fridge. My friend walked in on me. I was so, so ashamed, I tried to hide it, then I invented some stupid excuse. He was obviously not buying any of it, plus he knows of my problem because his girlfriend told him.
Now, if we were that close, I would talk to him. But I can’t. So we’re just here, in the same appartment, sitting in silence, and honestly shame is awful cause it makes me want to die.
So I know you’re supposed to go past shame. It’s really a major factor in self-destruction. But I don’t know how to deal with it. Anyone?
Thank you guys, I wish you a good day!
September 11, 2017 at 4:37 am #168256Anonymous
GuestDear Tatjana:
Welcome back!
You wrote: “shame is awful cause it makes me want to die”- and I can relate. For shame to be effective in a person’s life, it needs to be experienced, when we do something wrong, in a very small quantity, like a very hot, strong spice that only a very small quantity of it is needed in a dish being prepared. Just a little bit. More than just a bit and it overwhelms a person.
Let’s look at what happened today: your friend witnessed you eating leftovers. First: was there any wrongdoing on your part? Did you deprive him of the food you ate, were there other plans for the food you ate?
Let’s say you deprived him of the food you ate, that it was planned that you and him have it for dinner but you already ate it, so that is a wrongdoing. How much shame does it require?
Just a little bit. Because again, shame is like a very hot spice, very strong, too much of it and it burns, overwhelms. So you allow just a bit of it in your heart, offer an apology, an amend: go shopping for an equivalent amount of food to what you ate for his dinner.
anita
September 11, 2017 at 5:17 am #168264Tatjana
ParticipantDear Anita,
I was reading your message and trying to look away – I’m still ashamed and I’m so afraid of judgment. But your answer was full of compassion and reason, and for that I thank you so much.
I did go and buy food. I didn’t really deprive him, but I was more ashamed of him finding out I eat cold food at inappropriate times, standing up in the kitchen. I don’t want him to think I’m a freak. It was such a ridiculous scene.
I’m trying to rationalise now and deal with just a little bit of shame.What you said really resonates with me cause I don’t think you can live without shame – it’s a good human emotion. But it needs to stay under control.
Thank you so much Anita!
Tatjana
September 11, 2017 at 5:46 am #168270Anonymous
GuestDear Tatjana:
You are welcome.
You wrote: “I was more ashamed of him finding out I eat cold food at inappropriate times, standing up in the kitchen. I don’t want him to think I’m a freak”-
it is you who thought: “I am a freak!” You projected that thought to him. He may have thought nothing of that sort. Maybe he thought: she must be hungry. Maybe he thought something else. I don’t know, but neither do you unless he tells you and honestly.
Thing is, you were telling yourself that you are a freak before he showed up, only the voice in your head telling you that was weaker in the background, while your focus was, I am supposing, on the pleasure of eating. Correct?
If so, then notice that for as long as you disapprove of your own behavior, that behavior needs to be stopped whether or not you are observed by another person. You are always there to observe and comment on your own behavior. And so, your behavior has to be okay with you.
anita
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