TeaK

Re-crossing the river would be not trusting the ‘realization’ that led to the moment of letting go.  Its a personal experience that may be best left at that. When does the seeker become the finder the realizer and makes it theirs? truly, authentically theirs? Only they can now.

Like the person that succeeds in losing weight there will be those that are close to them that won’t like it. For their own unconscious reasons they may try to get the person to go back to how things were…

How to explain the raft. There is a saying that to Find God you most Lose God. The Raft is the organization that my help you get you across the river but should not be mistaken for the goal. The Goal was to cross the river and once crossed to continue on the journey.  The Organization designed to help you across is also designed to keep you on the raft. To avoid the uncertainty of what’s might come next the temptation is to cling to the raft. This is when religion can become fundamentalist’s. It isn’t about growth anymore but staying safe with in the boundaries of the organization. In the Zen quote it isn’t’ the Raft that is important but what you leaned by building it.  Letting go of what you build is difficult. Letting go of therapy after the realization can be difficult. Its ‘safer’ to hold on.  Sometimes letting go of the raft feels like losing community so its understandable that we cling.  I know this is abstract

I responded to Felix because I felt he was entering into a ‘Dark night of the soul’. If such was the case I was hoping that what I said might make sense to him and that he wouldn’t panic.

• This reply was modified 3 years, 8 months ago by Peter.

Hi Felix,

Good to hear from you and that you had breakthrough moments.

I can see your current conflict is that you are seeking to change your current situation in life and wish for strength to be able to do that. From what I understand, you feel lonely romantically and you are not giving up.

I can write to you all sorts of motivational and encouraging messages here but I think it is all rather silly and futile. Instead I’d like to ask:

-You are saying your friends are happy travelling and having family lives You see yourself in a worse situation than some other people around you. I guess you are aware that you compare yourself a lot to others who are “happy, successful, healthy, etc.etc.” Why do you think you do this? Why do you think anyone would do this?

-Have you looked into what emotional issues might have triggered cancer in you? Cancer is always related to strongly repressed emotions and it is a way our body is trying to wake us to the truth of it. It is a body’s extreme signal to wake one up…

-About loneliness, it is absolutely natural and normal to feel lonely in a sense of lacking human contact and intimacy, especially in our times.Is the loneliness you feel is the desire for human contact or something more and deeper?…what is your loneliness made of? can you describe it in more details?

• This reply was modified 3 years, 8 months ago by Nar.
• This reply was modified 3 years, 8 months ago by Nar.

You enter the forest at the darkest point, where there is no path. – Joseph Campbell

Hi Felix.

Campbell has been one of my guides. A question behind the hero journey is how are we to respond to Life. Life as it is, the wonder and horror. Yes we flow with Life, No we can/must fix it, No get me off this ride…..  Were indeed to find the strength? That is the call.  (Google Bill Moyers interview with Campbell if your interested in a summary)

We have not even to risk the adventure alone, for the heroes of all time have gone before us. The labyrinth is thoroughly known; we have only to follow the thread of the hero path. And where we had thought to find an abomination, we shall find a god. And where we had thought to slay another, we shall slay ourselves. And where we had thought to travel outward, we shall come to the center of our own existence. And where we had thought to be alone, we shall be with all the world. – Campbell

Everything you express about your experience feels very much like a call to enter dark woods which we each do alone. If, and I believe this, we heed the call and enter the wood bravely (feeling the fear) we will come across those that would aid us. In the myths these are often the “small animals” (unexpected sources that before the call we would overlook but heeding the call and keeping our eyes open we might notice)  This may sound like a paradox but “Entering the woods” and the practice of being “Still and waiting” are related if not the same thing.

I wish you well, something tells me you will find your way.

FYI I very much liked  Campbell book “Pathways to Bliss: Mythology and Personal Transformation”

Thanks for taking a interest TeaK

I would be very interested in your answer to the question of when do you know the work, a healing, forgiveness what ever has been accomplished?
It seems to me its something that is extremely difficult to communicate and many of those you share the experience with won’t or maybe can’t believe you.

Nice. You focused on the outcome and avoided giving to much detail about which specific wounds you had to deal with. I see my error. Thanks

Dear Peter,

Nice. You focused on the outcome and avoided giving to much detail about which specific wounds you had to deal with. I see my error. Thanks

Not sure what you mean above – what error of yours do you see?

Dear Peter,

I didn’t understand why I was giving you the impression that the realizations and lettings go I experienced wasn’t complete or real. I know that wasn’t your intent but I felt that you were trying to push me back into re-analyses and put in doubt my experiences.

You yourself were talking about re-crossing the river, using the raft when it’s no longer needed, the temptation to go back and climb the mountain again, and the possibility that you might forget the moment of letting go. These metaphors made me think that you’re doubting your own experience of letting go.

When you were asked the question ‘how do you know when you have let go’ you avoided any personal information about the experiences that were related to that.

I talked about my healing process on the other threads. It was mostly related to inner child healing, which allowed me to re-experience the painful memory and give it a different ending, so to speak, so that I am no longer stuck in that particular childhood wound. But I didn’t intend to hide anything when answering your question: the reason I know that I’ve healed is because my life has changed as a result. So that would be the ultimate “proof”, I believe.

When I talked about my parents I opened the door for you to question my experience of letting go. I thought adding some personal information would help the point I was trying to make and that seems to have been a error.

In the posts where you talked about your parents, you also used the above metaphors, that might suggest a certain doubt on your part, that’s why I thought the two may be related.