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  • #384857
    Tee
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    Dear Akansha,

    Even when I told him I want to stop communication he told me about how one of his exes also stopped communication with him. … He was like I think it’s not fair to do that to people but if there is a wound he would be respectful about it.

    I believe he wanted to make you feel bad for cutting contact with him (“it’s not fair to do that to people”). He would have liked you to be available whenever he pleased. But then he said: if there is a wound – meaning if you are not emotionally mature enough to keep contact with him, but are wounded – then he would respect it. He is suggesting that you are somehow deficient for not wanting to keep contact with him (and being exploited by him). He is suggesting he is more mature and advanced than you, when in fact he was being selfish and manipulative.

    Anyway, it was not my business anymore. I told him I am sorry you feel sad but I need to focus on myself. I think you have moved on and I need to do that too.

    Good that you stood your ground. Be aware that he was manipulating you. It’s okay if you focus on yourself and not tend to his selfish needs any more.

    I felt sad about this behaviour of mine and thought it might be better if I sought some help.

    I am glad you’ve reached out. In your first post you expressed that you were angry at him, but even more so angry at yourself for not seeing things clearly, and for still being susceptible to him. I hope you now see things a little bit more clearly, specially with regard to his behavior. If you have further questions or feel like you need some help, please post again anytime.

    Take care, and wishing you all the best!

     

    #384864
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Akansha:

    You wrote yesterday: “When I was younger, I used to forget to take care of myself, I wanted to be liked by everyone. It was a horrible time“-

    I don’t think you shared anything about the horrible time you experienced when you were younger (as a child?) other than mentioning it here. The topic of discussion so far in your thread has been: The Guy.

    But what about The Girl Akansha?

    Here is something you shared about him, something I almost randomly located just now: “He did tell me…  that he thinks there is no one as kind, forgiving and wonderful as me. He said he thinks I am close to Jesus as a spiritual being and I am the most important person in his life. To be fair, he also had just asked me if I would allow him to have phone sex with a girl he met on Facebook. It was quite confusing“-

    – that he asked you about phone sex, that reveals something about him (The Guy). When he told you that you are wonderful, close to Jesus, and the most important person in his life– I think that it made you feel so good to hear say these things to you,  that you ignored and tolerated a lot of the other things he said and did. This reveals something about you (The Girl): that you had a strong craving from an early age, for a parent/ caretaker to think of you and see you as someone Wonderful and Important, someone to acknowledge, value and appreciate, someone to look up to (?)

    anita

    #384916
    AK
    Participant

    Dear @anita ,

    I have been meaning to write more about myself but I was taking time. I have been working on my inner child healing with a therapist and some online resources for the past 1.5 years. Actually, immediately after the breakup and I made a lot of breakthroughs. You hit the nail on the head, that I wanted to be acknowledged, valued and appreciated by my parents.

    My sister is 2.6 years younger than me and my memories of my childhood are all with her. She was loved by everyone. I always felt neglected and that explains why when I was younger I wanted everyone to like me. I used to bend my back to be nice to everyone. It was pathetic. My “friends” knew my weakness and it really made me feel lonely. I confessed to my parents last year that I felt lonely as a child. Always competing with my sister. I was so jealous of her. I even wanted a different family. She was smart, intelligent and comely. I was smart, intelligent and comely too but she would outshine me. I would be 1st in my class, she would be first in the whole school. I’ll get 93 she’d get a 100. And to be honest she was talented but it was the typical South-Asian competitive environment. I do think it did teach a lot of good things but equally shook my core. I have had many chats with my younger sister (she is lovely btw) about how I have felt. She used to even calm me when I was young but I just wanted to be loved as much as she was. I was the only child who was the troublemaker but I have realised the reason I did those was probably to get attention.

    That explains why I needed to be liked and validated by people. I did not have any real friends till I went for my Bachelor’s study. People have childhood friends and they have school friends, I have none.  I wanted to run away from my school, my house and that town. I have had incidents of betrayal with my friends too (maybe a topic for another post) but once I stepped out of the house at 16 I felt free. I believe I have had a very interesting life. My path has been full of craziness but it also led to me becoming conscious of who I let in my inner world. I am very selective with calling people friends. I do not care if someone outside of my inner circle says anything about me. Honestly, this was something my friends and exes used to be very attracted to. I have learned so much but the path hasn’t been easy. Like I don’t think I had a great childhood. It was okay. When my ex told me that “you are the important thing” I actually felt bad. I was like so I am important and a spiritual person since I try to understand why people do what they do. I didn’t want to give power to that thought since then I would have been chuffed. In fact, after that I went and hung out with people, tried to mingle and in fact, I met a few nice people. When I told you about that freak out he had when I was in the Maldives it was because he learned that I was mingling with people and liked someone. I am a good company and people enjoy being with me. He knows that and he used to be scared of me being wooed by someone since we were in long distance. I am so silly that I stopped going out and meeting people because he used to question a lot and then feel bad saying “oh I guess everyone loves you and I feel sad that I cant be with you etc”. I thought it was love..hahaha

    You know the day I decided that I am going to cut contact with him was the day he sent me an excerpt from an article saying this made me think of you. The excerpt was “My wager is that you can profitably read Machiavelli if you understand him to distinguish between “high trust and low trust environments”. When a good person is surrounded by evil ones, they have entered a low trust environment, and they will come to ruin if they act as if those surrounding were well-intentioned chaps.” I was like wow! I have worked so hard for the past 14 years to not be the victim of this but maybe have fallen into the trap. I honestly am tired of people telling me I am a good person. I don’t want to be a “good person” anymore, whatever that means. It’s like you will be eaten alive since you are a good person. That is when I decided I don’t want to talk to him.

    I have found all these connections between my childhood, how I act and react, how I fall in love, what I look for in a partner and it’s ridiculous. I wonder why aren’t we taught these things when we are young? Why aren’t the parents taught this when they have kids? I have been writing about my childhood wounds for the last year but I feel like I am exhausted. I feel stupid to think about it now but I even shared it with my ex after we broke up and explained the reason why I was the way I was. And he just used it to quote the reasons he didn’t like me then. I know you would be vexed by the thought that I bring him up every time but I never trusted someone as much as I trusted him ever in my life. It made me question my own judgements and my outlook towards people. Am I always so blind? I have been told I am not good at judging people. Anyhoo, my point is there is never one reason for how a person is. My personality is a combination of so many things.

    I realised why I used to choose guys who were reserved. It was my comfort zone. My dad used to be strict when I was young. He was not very open with sharing love and that is the reason I tend to choose guys who are quiet and keep to themselves. Just a not that my ex was nothing like him. He did use to snap (not at me) but in a reasonable fashion. My dad changed a lot since I moved out. It was like he grew up with me. I have a wonderful relationship with my dad now. He is my superstar. I wish he was like this when I was young but he didn’t know any better. He came from a family which is stingy with loving. His dad was always critical and was never supportive. That was the parenting my dad saw and that’s what he emulated. He still has residue of that in him but he also listens to my criticism. My mother, on the other hand, I feel like my relationship has deteriorated badly. I don’t think she likes me and neither do I like her a lot but we love each other. I never had female friends when I was young. In fact till 2020 I had like 3 female friends. Many acquaintances but only three close female friends. I am still exploring my relationship with my mother. I have reached to some quick conclusions but I do want to take some time to think about it.

    I hope I was able to write a bit about the girl.

    Waiting to hear from you,

    Akansha

     

     

    #384918
    AK
    Participant

    Dear @TeaK,

    I hope you are doing well. I am grateful to have you respond to me promptly.

    I believe he wanted to make you feel bad for cutting contact with him (“it’s not fair to do that to people”). He would have liked you to be available whenever he pleased. But then he said: if there is a wound – meaning if you are not emotionally mature enough to keep contact with him, but are wounded – then he would respect it. He is suggesting that you are somehow deficient for not wanting to keep contact with him (and being exploited by him). He is suggesting he is more mature and advanced than you, when in fact he was being selfish and manipulative.

    I always told him that he is selfish but I guess being selfish is not always bad. In this case, however, he did make me feel small. When I dug deeper into our issues and owned up to my mistakes and issues. He let me stew in it. He never took responsibility for anything. It was all my fault and you see I was so blind that I didn’t even question him. My whole point was to take ownership of my mistakes but do you think it’s possible that it was just me? I did always think he was more mature than I am. Currently, I feel I am more evolved as a person (does that make sense). I am mature too. I told him he is manipulating me when I had decided to cut contact and he had started yelling at me. I don’t know….. how can I be so wrong about a person.

    Things are a lot clearer now @TeaK I have gotten validation for my intuition from your replies. You have no idea how light it had made me feel. Btw, do you believe in Karma? I ask this coz I feel like this is my karma. When I was in my early 20s I had a relationship where my feelings had changed and I wasn’t able to explain it to that guy. He used to be emotionally unavailable. I used to feel lonely in that relationship. He was the one who broke it up since I had started a new job and was keeping busy. I never fought for the relationship (which he thought I would) but he did come back to reconcile and tried for 2 years but I just could not go back. Maybe I am suffering for that suffering I might have caused him. He is a good friend now and I have talked to him about it. He says he didn’t know why did he act the way he did but I was clearly not honest in telling him my feelings have changed when he was trying to reconcile. I just told him the reasons it cant work. In general, he struggled to talk about his emotions, I was dragging the relationship on my own. He didn’t care much but when he wanted to reconcile I could have told him I did not want a relationship anymore rather than telling him why did he act carelessly when we were together. Am I making any sense?

    #384929
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Akansha:

    My efforts to understand at this time: your mother does not like you now (“I don’t think she likes me“), and I think that she didn’t like you then, when you were a child. She liked your younger sister, not you. “I wanted everyone to like me“, you wrote.

    Your father was strict back then, “not very open with sharing love“, but perhaps you were looking for your father’s love more than you looked for your mother’s love because you gave up on your mother to like or love you. Maybe because she showed so much preference to your sister while your father did not show preference to either one of his children (?)

    You were “always competing” with your younger sister who outshined you. In “the typical South-Asian competitive environment“.. competition is everything, and you lost to her, again and again. She had friends, you did not; she got attention, you did not (“the reason I did those was probably to get attention).

    Fast forward, the recent boyfriend paid you lots of the attention, the lots-of-attention which you craved for, for so long, and you got hooked. “I never trusted someone as much as I trusted him ever in my life“, you wrote. I think that you trusted him so much because you needed to trust love. You needed to believe that you finally won that competition, that you came out of it shining, and the prize: finally.. love!

    It made me question my own judgements and my outlook towards people. Am I always so blind? I have been told I am not good at judging people“- when we have a strong emotional need, or craving, when we desperately need something to be true- we do become blind, or better say: we see what we need to see.

    I tend to choose guys who are quiet and keep to themselves“- the dream is to change a quiet and reserved parent to an expressive and loving parent by proxy, through a substitute (a romantic partner, a guy).

    My mother, on the other hand, I feel like my relationship has deteriorated badly… I never had female friends when I was young. In fact till 2020 I had like 3 female friends.. I am still exploring my relationship with my mother. I have reached to some quick conclusions but I do want to take some time to think about it“- I am curious about your quick conclusions. Seems to me that the relationship with her deteriorated long ago, when you were a lonely child, but your awareness of the long-ago deterioration is newer to you.

    About the guy: “His change in behaviour triggered the clingy response in me. I think for the last 1.5 years I did try to do everything to keep us together… I was on autopilot“- as independent as you have been in your life, living in Berlin by yourself, and so much more (being “someone who has build her life around never taking help from anyone”), the clingy little girl has always  been there, in you, and her clinginess, her desperation took over you like an autopilot.

    The guy you trusted because you needed to trust love told you: “there is no one as kind, forgiving and wonderful as (you)… (you are) close to Jesus.. (you are) the most important person in (my) life…  You look sexier on your two legs not walking on all fours. You are like a f**** Koala, hanging through my neck. Back off and learn to stand up for yourself. Being needy is not sexy”-

    – The rise to the heavens (Jesus) , and the fall into hell (a “f**** Koala”), the elevation of the child to “kind, forgiving and wonderful” and the lowering of her to a sex object.

    Right above has to mean a death sentence to any desire to resume a relationship with him, for the sake of the girl in you, for her sake!

    anita

    #384932
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Akansha,

    I always told him that he is selfish but I guess being selfish is not always bad. In this case, however, he did make me feel small. When I dug deeper into our issues and owned up to my mistakes and issues. He let me stew in it. He never took responsibility for anything. It was all my fault and you see I was so blind that I didn’t even question him. My whole point was to take ownership of my mistakes but do you think it’s possible that it was just me?

    Of course it wasn’t just you… but he blamed you, and because deep down you felt unworthy and unimportant (your original childhood wound), you actually believed him. You believed it was exclusively your fault, and that you need to change, not him.

    When my ex told me that “you are the important thing” I actually felt bad. I was like so I am important and a spiritual person since I try to understand why people do what they do. I didn’t want to give power to that thought since then I would have been chuffed.

    Because of your original wound, you didn’t believe you were important. No matter how much he told you that (in the beginning of your relationship), there was still a part of you that didn’t believe it.

    But still, he made you feel special, important and beautiful – everything you’ve craved since childhood – and you completely fell for him. You opened up to him like to no one before (I never opened up to anyone like this), you bared your soul. You thought he was “the one” – because he gave you what you craved for. And you became needy and clingy, I guess like with no one before – because you couldn’t afford to lose “the one”.

    Unfortunately he exploited your openness and vulnerability:

    He used to tell me I am not expressive and when I started doing that he abandoned me. … I even shared it with my ex after we broke up and explained the reason why I was the way I was. And he just used it to quote the reasons he didn’t like me then.

    Maybe he liked your old self: the cheerful, put-together, strong self, in whom he saw a mother figure. And he despised your needy and clingy self (the little girl inside of you), who came out of hiding because she thought she was safe with him. Once she came out, he’s hurt her badly. She tried to please him, to do everything to make him happy, so he would stay…

    And a part of you is still hoping that he would come back (at least when you wrote your first post, you were still hoping, you were still in love with him). That’s the little girl who still believes he is her savior, her prince charming, who will give her the perfect love…

    By now you probably know, at least on the rational level, that he is not the prince charming… and that there is no prince charming – you need to save yourself. You need to give yourself the love and appreciation you’ve been craving for.

    As for karma, I don’t know what to believe about it, but what I know is that we repeat the same experience until we learn the lesson. I don’t think you did anything wrong with your previous ex, and specially not that you suffered in your latest relationship because of something you did in your earlier relationship.

    Maybe I am suffering for that suffering I might have caused him. He is a good friend now and I have talked to him about it. He says he didn’t know why did he act the way he did but I was clearly not honest in telling him my feelings have changed when he was trying to reconcile. I just told him the reasons it cant work.

    So your previous ex was emotionally unavailable, wouldn’t talk about his emotions, you felt lonely in the relationship… and eventually he left you. No wonder your feelings have changed – you probably entered the relationship with some hopes and expectations, and your feelings have probably changed because he didn’t meet those expectations. Your feelings might have changed while you were still in the relationship, and that’s why you let it go so easily: you didn’t fight for him when he broke up with you.

    Two years later, when he contacted you again, seeking reconciliation, you probably still felt the same – you fell out of love long ago, and there was nothing he could say or do that would make you fall back in love. Am I guessing this right? Is that what you feel guilty about – that you didn’t tell him something like “sorry, don’t even bother because I am not interested any more”?

     

    #385081
    AK
    Participant

    Dear @TeaK,

    Thanks again. I have been travelling with my parents, therefore, the late reply. I just can’t believe how cathartic this post has been for me.

    You are right, I have always been scared of sharing my deep self since I am worried people will break my trust.

    THIS

    Maybe he liked your old self: the cheerful, put-together, strong self, in whom he saw a mother figure. And he despised your needy and clingy self (the little girl inside of you), who came out of hiding because she thought she was safe with him. Once she came out, he’s hurt her badly. She tried to please him, to do everything to make him happy, so he would stay…

    It’s like you read my mind. Although, being in a relationship means accepting all parts of the person. I accepted all parts of him. Am I wrong to think that in the right relationship the person will accept all of me? Or I will only find the right person when I am fully healed. I mean I know a lot of people I know who I think have childhood traumas but they are in happy relationships.

    Every time I have talked to the therapist I have been told that people are meant to heal themselves and grow. But growth is a never-ending process. I feel confused. I have been changing, learning, growing and healing since I was 16. So when will this process end? Will it never stop? Also, does that mean that you only need people because you have unmet childhood needs, if not you will be happy alone?

    I kinda know the answers I will get for these questions but it’s good to say (or write in this case) out loud.

     

    Regards,

    Akansha

    #385085
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear AK,

    you are very welcome, I am glad it was helpful. And I hope you had a pleasant trip with your parents.

    I kinda know the answers I will get for these questions but it’s good to say (or write in this case) out loud.

    So would you like writing down those answers, and then I can perhaps comment? These are the questions you are asking:

    Am I wrong to think that in the right relationship the person will accept all of me? Or I will only find the right person when I am fully healed.

    Growth is a never-ending process. I have been changing, learning, growing and healing since I was 16. So when will this process end? Will it never stop?

    Does that mean that you only need people because you have unmet childhood needs, if not you will be happy alone?

    I’d gladly give you my perspective, but perhaps it will help you if you first write it down? Whatever suits you best, I am in.

     

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