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June 20, 2014 at 12:24 am #59242AnonymousInactive
Having barely missed Sunday church for almost 25 years, I have been indoctrinated to finding this current generation extremely antagonistic of my morals and virtues. Since I stopped going about two years ago, I’ve been pretty demoralised by dating and relationships. Absolutely every girl I’ve been interested in and started to advance some form of relationship with (perhaps about 5) have all been so vapid and capricious. I can deal with obsessions with social media and find no real gripe with allowing them to infiltrate our lives as new and diversifying ways of communicating and interacting, but it’s also created a popular culture of narcissism and various other self-centric tendencies. Again, this is completely fine, it’s just that every single girl (each of which have been so biologically and psychologically ranging) has been like this and unfortunately for me this translates to an absolute need for instant gratification, affirmation, and validation. Two of those five women ultimately needed to have sex with me for them to accept that I truly did care for them. It was demoralising and sad to force sex needlessly into relations that were coming along as nice, natural friendships. I don’t feel used because each of these girls wanted the same thing as me – a relationship. So, I’m kind of just wondering why it’s become such a big deal, especially early on in relationships.
I’m a highly sensitive guy who, through church and a traditional moralistic upbringing, have become fairly old-school when it comes to dating. As a result, I guess I invest a lot more into intimacy, spiritual connection, and requited friendship than the average modern kid and so I need to know the person I share that experience with is simpatico with this sentiment. Keep in mind, I’m not on here glorifying church or religion because I don’t even go anymore, I’m just upset that when I ask these girls why everything has to be so physical, their responses are almost always something along the lines of “don’t you love me?” Different strokes, presumably. Anyway, I take things incredibly slowly. I’m respectful, caring, and utterly enthralled in the lives of the women I’ve dated (apparently rare for my gender and rare for modernity in general) and yet all I get back is second-place to their own obsession with ‘self’ and rushing into things with little thought. I guess, as others have already said, it’s a product of this changing global society. I’m just so cut sometimes when all the girls I’ve progressed things with over the past two years have been so coldly incapable of reciprocating old romance, or even worse, incapable of being receptive to it when I dole it out on them.
I distinctly remember what my most recent interest said to me when I bought her flowers for no reason: “Oh… I’m pretty sure this kinda thing’s just for Valentine’s day, but thanks. So do you want to fuck tonight?” :S
June 20, 2014 at 1:38 am #59243The RuminantParticipantHello Blaice,
After reading this post and your previous ones, it seems to me as if you are idealizing love and aren’t quite able to accept that other people are different from you. There are also some discrepancies, which would suggest that you might be idealizing yourself as well. None of that bodes well for healthy relationships. Unfortunately you might not see that, but see the problems in the surroundings; if only other people would change, then things would be better.
Perhaps you are shielding your sensitive self, but by doing that, you’re denying it real love and real experiences. The illusion can never be as good as the real thing. Allow your soul the possibility to breathe and to be authentic.
June 20, 2014 at 4:15 am #59248InkyParticipantYou are the perfect guy that all the girls fantasize about, but ~ they can’t see it because they don’t expect it! Another thought ~ they’ve spent two decades indoctrinated that a guy is only about sex, so when you don’t chase them that way, they think something is lacking in *them*! Or, at worst, that you like guys. So they are all anxious to get that off the table.
Yeah social media and our culture has really done a number on us. The best you can do is find a girl who grew up in the church as you did and is used to traditional guys. Or for spiritual girls, go to MeetUp.com and find Buddhist discussions or meditation groups to go to. Believe it or not, there is another type of girl out there ~ spiritual, intellectual, communicating. Good Luck!
June 20, 2014 at 5:11 am #59251@Jasmine-3ParticipantHello ladies. Thanks.
Hi Blaice, howdy mate !!
What an interesting insight from your end yet again. Thanks for your earlier message on the other post.
When I first read this post, I got the vibe that there is a contradiction in how you project yourself. Hey, I don’t know where is that coming from but your written word does not match your thoughts. Perhaps, you need to check if your thoughts, feelings and actions actually align. It is very well and nice to write about profound experiences but if they are not describing how we really feel, they are a waste of energy.
In other words, when we are confused about our needs, we project a confused image to the outside world and guess what you get in return ? A confused image back :). For example, when playing squash, remember how a ball hit from our end comes back to us with the same speed ? Life is pretty much similar. What you send out, you get it back in a similar form. And fortunately, there are various forms of humans out there – made for each kind. If you do not get along with one kind, there is always more choice available. So don’t loose hope. Align your T, F and A and you should attract a more compatible kind. Do give your current partner a fair go first though. Don’t let your words fool you and cripple your actions.
Cheers,
J
June 20, 2014 at 1:41 pm #59273AnonymousInactiveHey Blaice. I understand your feelings. It may seem as if this day and age requires people to just be in a relationship right away. But that’s not true. You don’t always have to be in a relationship with someone. The fairy tales and all of those Disney movies we watched growing up may have given us hope, but in the end, you won’t always get a happily ever after. There are main reasons why people want a relationship and sex right away: insecurity, low self-esteem, and that reinforced idea in our world that you have to be someone with someone to be happy.
From what I can hear, my intuition is telling me that you’re hanging out with the wrong people. You should be with a female that saves sex for marriage, given the fact that you come from a religious background. I came from a religious background myself. I am actually relieved that you’re one of those few guys who would want to be waiting for sex rather in rush into it. Rushing into sex just leads to teen pregnancy, or having a baby at a young age, STDs, and the condom can slip off or break. I’m not saying you should FEAR sex, but it can be amazing. That’s why it’s better to wait. Another factor could be that the women who need love and sex right now probably didn’t have a father figure in their lives.
This isn’t your fault. If you stay optimistic, avoid negative people, and find your true love (cliche I know!), then everything will work out for you. Live, laugh, love.
-Aiyana
June 20, 2014 at 2:27 pm #59274KellyParticipantTo borrow a phrase from a current pop culture figure, you might consider that your “picker” is broken. In other words, perhaps you are finding yourself attracted to the wrong type of girl. I agree with you that it seems our society is becoming more narcissistic and superficial in some ways (this is the age of the “selfie”). However, for every flawed girl who only knows how to express affection through sex, there are loads others who would share your more romantic (and in my view, healthy) notion of relationships and dating. What do you find attractive in a girl? The fact that this seems to be a pattern in the type of women you pursue might be a good reason to look inward and really ask yourself “why am I attracted to her?” You describe the girls as “vapid and capricious”, so what are you interested in about them? You don’t have to feel “used” for it to be a bad idea to become more physically involved than you would like at any given time. Sure, they might want relationships just as you do, but you don’t want a relationship just for the sake of having one with just anyone I’m sure. It’s ok to say “next!” when you realize your relationship needs are incompatible.
June 20, 2014 at 2:27 pm #59275MattParticipantBlaice,
In addition to Jasmine’s kind hearted words, consider that you seem to have a lot of judgment inside you for others. This is taught to us as protective, but doesn’t actually help us connect with others… walls go up, the gavel comes out, and ick, heartsludge.
Consider a different view. Buddhists often describe self absorption as an afflictive state of mind. Much like a sprained ankle draws our attention to it, a wounded heart calls the mind to tend inward. If someone is thinking about themselves a lot, trying to showcase themselves, prove themselves, its just a limp they carry from old wounds of the heart.
And then along comes the critic, flames alight, blazing women for limping. “Wow, women of today are so fucked up… what’s wrong with them?” Such as “why aren’t they right, correct, old fashioned, like me?” Instead, consider “how can I build a bridge from my heart to theirs?” Said differently, put away the gavel, pull out your heart, and you may just see one stop limping and grow/reveal her wings. Namaste.
With warmth,
MattJune 20, 2014 at 7:07 pm #59285Big blueParticipantHi Blaice,
You already have awesome advice above. It’s good of you to seek this advice – and to grow from your experiences.
The word that comes to mind is compassion, for yourself and other folks who are different and/or sorting through things themselves.
Big blue
June 21, 2014 at 12:09 pm #59316joeParticipantHi Everybody,
I’m R and I’m new in this forums. The reason why I join this forum because I want to be honest and be open with you guys. I don’t know what I have to do here. Let me start it, it happened 2 months ago when I was back to my homecountry and I met this girl from facebook, and her profile is always about her and she’s hot and gorgeous and I know I want to know about her that much and at the end you know something good might happen for both of us. when I met her, everything is so beautiful I mean we can talk and share. But the funny thing I realize that she had a boyfriend but long distance with that guy, and the funny part is we’re still seeing each other and even we can screwed around each other one day and from there seem all the LUST thing is taking control and I don’t know why but I feel so much good with this addiction but I never showed it to her that I’m addicted by her, all this time she’s the one that telling to me that she want me and she addicted to me and I just playing it safe. But one thing that I can’t understand by that time I can control myself totally and I told her we shouldn’t do this and I care about you and I like you not just from the outside but if you still have a relationship with this person why don’t you finished or settle this with him, because I don’t want to live feeling guilty by doing this ang getting more further I mean It’s nice doing this and living in the darkness but I thought at one point I can lead or guide her through my guidance because I don’t want to screw another relationship that I’m gonna have but now the long distance thing already screwed us around it’s been 3 months already from we’ve known each other. because sometimes she can contact me and sometimes she don’t give a damn about it and she told me that she’s sex maniac and a psycho. and you know it’s guy fantasy to be with a psycho girl and also a sex maniac.
please correct me if I’m wrong here but why my body wants this and even my soul feel so good about this? and lot’s of lot’s of my friends telling me that she’s a player and only keeping her option. But when I met her I felt that she’s the one, I mean I don’t know how I can feel like this, but I’m really really desperate here because I live in California and I’m all alone, and I feel like an Alien and got nobody here, even I can make a friend it feels different because I missed all the relationship that has been established in my homecountry with my friend. and now I lost my job because my probabtion is done and that company don’t want to extend my contract, and also I started act stupid by unblock all her social media and contact her again in order get someone be by myside.
but please oh God please my friend here, Help me. I’m thingking about going back to my homecountry just to see her around. I missed her and I need her. and I don’t know why I’m acting like this.
June 21, 2014 at 9:11 pm #59329AnonymousInactive@joe: not sure if you’re serious or not and thanks for hijacking
@everyoneelse: I really appreciate the returns and will reply after this exam! -
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