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  • #318145
    Anonymous
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    Dear Cali Chica:

    Because the second chapter of our work is about you telling your story in your voice, I will attempt to retell your recent two posts in your voice and would like you to edit my attempt or re-do it altogether so to voice it indeed in your own voice. This is only an attempt, no expectation on my part that I am using Your Voice, so do correct me:

    S has free time and I don’t. That makes me angry. I want free time too! It is not fair that she has free time and I don’t! I wish I had my evenings free to myself. And having all that free time, she dares take my time away from me! How selfish she is and I am sick and tired being unselfish! To top this unfairness, I have no interest in her small talk. I have more important things to do!!

    So this voice in my head tells me I am bad because I don’t have free time for a small-talk boring friend- this voice makes me so angry! And whose voice is it, mind you- this woman-mother *&**. I don’t care that S is a nice person and loyal and whatnot- she is boring, she doesn’t understand what is important to me!

    When my mother pressured me to be nice to friends- I hated it.

    Thing is,  I get angry at so many people, I can’t not have friends at all. And it is not fair to not be a friend to a nice person, is it?

    anita

    #318159
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you for attempting it in my voice.  I will edit it now and it will be directed towards S as in real life voice speaking to her.

    Dear S,

    You are kind and great.  In fact the most supportive and loyal friend I have.  You have been more than understanding of what I have been through.  Yet, you are unable to understand it having no background of mental health – and you have said this to me.  Thus, I would like you to know that in the next few months I do not want to chat.  Your chats with me have always been fun, but now I no longer have time for them.  I have a feeling I will never have time for them.

    I do enjoy our time in person and catch ups, but no longer have time for “small talk.” When we talk I do like knowing about your growth in your relationship and we talk about that.  And i tell you some things about marriage.  But you will never understand my marriage, as it has a whole over shadowing of this trauma – thus I can not speak openly to you as you simply will not get it.  It is not your fault.

    I don’t care to hear about your friends who are flakey or too busy taking selfies.  IT is simply petty and not a good use of time or mental energy.  I don’t care to hear about how your biggest problem is how you were bored all weekend.

    No I don’t want free time like you, I never have had this time, and it is not in my nature to have it.  So I can not relate.  I have a feeling after you are married and move in with the guy – you will have far less time.

    So therefore, our friendship will not end or change in closeness.  I simply do not have time to chat about the things we did in our 20s.  I have grown – and I am now onto the next chapter.

    Farewell, CC and S of the 20s

    edit:

    I am not judging you, but you are almost 38 years old, and a lot of the things that bother you about daily life are things I dealt with at 25 – and so did my other friends.  I simply can’t relate to those issues anymore.  I am not too good for them anymore, just don’t have space.  I know you will grow and especially after the responsibilities of marriage begin. But things like friends who gossip about you behind your back – and when I tell you that isn’t a great quality in a friend, and your response is: yes but everyone has flaws.  I have no where to go with it.  It reminds me of high school or college, and we are frankly too old for this sort of stuff.  At least I am.  I know at this time – you do have time to deal with these sort of things.  I do not.  I am picky about who I let into my life, and I am not dealing with people who are taking selfies all day when they are with me, or being flakey.  There isn’t time like that in my life.

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 6 months ago by Cali Chica.
    #318163
    Anonymous
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    Dear Cali Chica:

    My personal ROAR was in my attempt. Better I don’t attempt this again. What is your feeling in “Farewell, CC and S of the 20s”?

    anita

    #318167
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    No, it is fine that you attempted.  I added an edit above.  Please read and then I will reply.

    #318169
    Anonymous
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    Dear Cali Chica;

    Your posts to S read very kind and assertive, diplomatic and honest at the same time, disciplined. I see it as your disciplined voice, thoughtful, skillful. It is a mature voice. True to yourself. Not guttural/ straight from the gut, but authentic.

    – what about the guttural though, the raw emotions?

    anita

    #318177
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I felt this was honest, as I felt pretty good after writing it – a slight release.  I will add more – hopefully more raw. Here goes:

    I don’t have time for this BS! for crying out loud you are almost 38 god D*** years old!!! Do you think it is normal to go on a girl trip with someone who takes selfies the whole time? And then if you come back and I say that is kinda odd, you don’t see it as that.  I am not saying your other friends are all immature and flakey – but cmon.

    you text me a few weeks ago about a high school friend gossiping about you.  i tell you, as does my sister, at our meeting how that’s odd – and it sounds like that girl is slightly attention seeking.  Your response is, ya well everyone has flaws.

    So be it!

    If that’s how you think good for you.  But don’t expect me to get that.  At 34 years old these are not my problems! These are childish and petty S, and I simply don’t have mental capacity for them.  I don’t think many people do.  You lack a lot of awareness of how you come off.

    You talk so much about saving costs for your wedding, but expect all your guests to pay up to $500 per night.  And your response to this: “it’s their choice, if they don’t want to stay there they can stay at another location not too far.” I can’t relate to this.  I would feel embarrassed to ask my guests to do this.  Therefore, the way we think is very different.  Often it feels like your brain is stuck in college or 20s and mine has gone into the next phases.  Or perhaps it is just the difference in how we think in general.  Not to say I am better than you at all.

    #318183
    Anonymous
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    Dear Cali Chica:

    Excellent. Not that I recommend you sending the latter to S. Your previous honest and diplomatic message to her was excellent to be sent to her. But here, on this chapter 2, in communication with me, I want to read/ hear your guttural feelings.

    Let’s say you are perfectly diplomatic in the morning- fine, excellent time to communicate with people where diplomacy is required. You are calm enough and fresh enough to make it happen. But later in the day, when you are tired, when you had your fill of distressing events- it is the guttural feelings that will take over and bring you misery and dysfunction.

    So, better do the guttural here. Tell it like  it is. The last sentence above: “Not to day I am better than you at all”- why that qualification, I wonder. It takes away from the guttural. What if you do tell her (not send her) that you are better than her because truly you think you are and in certain ways at least, I do agree that you are. So tell her that you are better than her, maybe?

    anita

    #318185
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Guttural:

    I don’t have time for your BS.  My life has many more important aspect than yours, including my career – the nature of it, my marriage, and my emotional healing journey. So, no I don’t have time for petty BS that should have been left behind in your 20s.  I am glad you do, but I simply don’t.  Maybe you can’t sense this since you are in your own wold always.  But here it is – I “ain’t” got time for your nonsense honey.

    edit: the more I think about it, you consider yourself very smart and mature.  you even say comments like “girls like us” referring to both you and I. S, we are nothing alike.  Frankly,  the more I see this as we get older I don’t think you are very smart at all.  As in emotionally intelligent.  Nice, yes. Kind, yes.  Sharp and aware – no.  Intelligent – no.

     

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 6 months ago by Cali Chica.
    #318191
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    Excellent, no apologies for your anger, no compromising your message. Not here anyway. Often the apologies or qualifications are meant to appease her voice. No place for her voice here!

    Are you done with the S guttural exercise. Do you want to address someone else and tell them the bare, guttural truth of what and how it really is!?

    anita

    #318193
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thanks! Yes! I am done with S.  In fact when I sent her the message on Monday: “long hours for the next 2 weeks” it was my way of saying “phew.”  And as you know I by all means don’t dislike S, but that does not mean all the above is not TRUE.

    Next – and I am not sure if you are okay with this – will be addressing my sister…what do you think?

    #318195
    Anonymous
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    * I love the edit, just read it, excellent!!!

    #318199
    Anonymous
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    Dear Cali Chica:

    Fine with me. I know the two of you agreed to not read each other’s threads and I am intent on keeping them separate (following delivering you two messages, last being regarding expressing respect for her NC).

    So yes, go ahead.

    anita

    #318209
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * It just occurred to me to suggest that if you prefer to do any part of this on email, privately, we can do that. And go back here for less-private matters.

    anita

    #318219
    Cali Chica
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you. Yes, I am sending you an email right now.

    #318373
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cali Chica:

    You write so well. I will read (from email) and comment as I read: “my mother.. she doesn’t look like the person she embodies, a middle aged woman with a great figure”- to the child the mother does embody perfection, a god, beautiful, strong, wise.

    “she states how her body is ruined by her daughters”- so they are guilty soon after conception, there in the womb- her complaints against her daughters start when they are fetuses.

    Think of it, if she blames a fetus, how can you ever give any credit to her blaming anyone!!? Surely a person who blames a fetus is cognitively a suspect and whatever they say from that point on needs to be examined before it being accepted as the truth.

    “Always talking about dreams that were lost. Oh what a shame- mother could have had this or that if only others didn’t ruin her life”- but she did have “this or that”- she had two daughters, two dreams that if she valued them, these two girls could have made her life beautiful. But she considered these two dreams as things that ruined her life.

    “my sister appears very young and thin here, childlike.. very youthful. Mother- She looks like the kind of a villain in a Disney movie.. like ..the evil stepmother, she gets larger and larger, her cackle gets louder and louder. The good innocent little victim or child figuratively gets smaller and smaller as this evil being gets larger and larger and taking over the whole screen”-

    – this is what our Chapter 2 is about: resurrecting that very young child, hearing her voice, making space for her on the screen while making the mother smaller and smaller and her cackle finally silent.

    The way it is supposed to happen: a young child sees her mother as god, follows her, finds safety with her, learns about herself and over time becomes capable and less needy of her mother, so she sees her mother differently, sees her as a human, not a god. But what happened with you (and me, separately) is you found ourselves with a bad god who persecuted you, her child. So the persecuted child, a victim, doesn’t get to develop and see herself as truly capable and her mother as human, less capable than god. The mother, in the mind of the persecuted child, remains a god, taking the whole screen. And as the child becomes adult, her mental screen still has this “evil being” at its center, large and loud, very visible and very audible, while the adult-child herself continues to be very small on that screen, hardly visible and hardly audible.

    “mother.. She is powerful and in charge of her little victim”- this is the story of child abuse. The parent sees this weak, needy child and perceives it as an opportunity to feel powerful. And as she feels powerful, we feel weaker and smaller.

    “At the age of 34 I am still trying to find my voice”- many people never find their voice, or if they find it, they get scared and forget about it, keep hearing the god on the screen of their minds. It is a wonderful thing to find one own’s voice, speak it and hear it. To find that little child in the corner of that screen and give her center stage.

    S, this woman in your life, a few years older than you, “I actually think she is an idiot!”- similar to what you think about your mother (you are having an idiot as a god, taking that whole mental screen!)

    “(S) is an idiot who really has no idea what she’s talking about, but goes on and on about and thinks she does”- just like your mother.

    “(S) has complained about certain friends over and over for years, but never makes any changes in her approach or opinion, or speaks up sometimes still idolizing them… she continues to have the same comments year after year… she thinks of things in a very adolescent way. High school drama-esque”- just like your mother.

    “(S) is not as smart as I once thought”- neither is your mother, you thought she was very smart in the beginning (as all children do), but she is an idiot.

    “Other people my age would have figured that out a long time ago, knowing their true voice- and would limit their conversations with her”- or have none at all. Thing is, other people don’t have an S in the center of their mental screen. S is not their god. My point is that through no fault of your own, you have an idiot for a god. Well, had an idiot for a god. Chapter 2 is about demoting the idiot and removing her from your mental screen.

    “(Mother) didn’t raise us at all actually”- she used you.

    “there was so much of my own will that led me to be where I am right now”- when we are born, we are not born like her, we are born like the billions of people and animals that preceded us in the evolution of life- we have their genes. The world didn’t start with her, this one mother, the blueprint of who we are.

    “Being “raised” by an enemy”- a title of a book, I imagine.

    “I simply don’t have the energy left anymore. My memory is so much worse”- it can return to you, the energy and the memory, and it will return as you change what is on that screen, place you in the center of it, and the demoted god, no longer there except for a bad memory.

    “I watch so much stuff about women in prison on Netflix.. my mother. She deserves a spot there too”- yes. She definitely does not deserve any spot in your mental screen. She does not deserve to be your god. Or anyone’s.

    “when I close my eyes right now, I think of my mother as a Disney World Villain… If I conquered Ursula from the little mermaid, who can be so scary? Who is going to beat me down every day?.. Who is going to have so much power over me..? No one. No one at all.”- not your mother, not S, not any idiot. You have power over you, right there in the center of the screen!

    anita

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