fbpx
Menu

Relationship Anxiety and Confusion

HomeForumsRelationshipsRelationship Anxiety and Confusion

New Reply
Viewing 13 posts - 1 through 13 (of 13 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #441833
    Substantial
    Participant

    I find my gf too self-centered. I don’t know how to feel about that. It seems as if she hesitates to go out of her way to do anything for me or will choose the most convenient path to please or be there for me. On the other hand, I find myself making compromises a lot to be there for her or to please her. So much so that I am completely losing myself in this relationship. Sometimes, I try to stop what I do, which I call “over-giving,” and start focusing on my life also, but anxiety kicks in. I wake up every morning extremely anxious, and it’s been ruining my sleep. Over a year, I have been to two therapists who had significantly different opinions on what’s wrong in my relationship. I question and doubt if my gf even loves or cares about me. For me, the concept of love is you are there to give to the other person, be a source of happiness and peace for that person, not minding if you have to go out of your way for that person, and knowing what that person’s needs are and finding the best way to meet them. I find myself having to poke my gf to do something for me, just for me. I do several things for her, which I put a lot of thought into, something that falls in her area of interest so that it can make her happy. But I find her doing the same, extremely rare. At one point in the relationship, I had to sit and ask her if she even knew what makes me happy and asked her to put effort into my area of interest, too. She did a couple of things eventually, and then it’s gone. As the relationship has progressed, I have become extremely resentful and confused. It’s as if the balance has shifted entirely to her side, where she’s working on her career and life, and I am left with my life entirely revolving around her and the relationship. Anxiety has been ruining my life. I cannot focus on anything in my life except the relationship. I am always waiting for her calls and texts, wondering what went wrong or trying to figure out what’s happening. I do not understand if it’s my insecurities that have led to this or if my gf is not the right person for me, or if it’s her unhealthy behaviors that have led to this.

    For example, since we live about 1.5 hrs away from each other and my office is in her city, I visit her for dates. FYI- I don’t even have to go to my office, as I have been assigned to work from home. I go to my office just to get to see her. Sometimes, I don’t even go to the office. To make this happen, I have to get up early at 6:30 am, travel, spend some time at the office doing nothing, and leave to see her around 10 am, giving us 2-3 hours before her office timings start. I once asked her casually that I wondered if she’d come to see me in my city, if she could wake up like this early in the morning. She bluntly said “No” that it’d ruin her sleep and sleep is important to her. Even when she would get leaves from her work, I have asked her to come to my city to see me. She’d say it’s too far, and she is tired from work and needs to rest. I wouldn’t mind coming and seeing her even if it’s for an hour, but she’d say something like, “Why would I come all the way there just to see you for an hour?” (All of this happened about a year ago in the relationship, she now doesn’t give any excuses like these as I think she now knows that it isn’t right. But I see her providing more reasonable explanations as to why she can’t come to see me, but still, they don’t satisfy me).

    Another example would be her going to another part of the country for further studies for 6 months. She never really discussed how we’d go through it, but only I was worried. I went to see her twice, catching a flight. She got a few leaves one weekend, where I was expecting her to come and see me. But she was talking about going somewhere else with her friends for a vacation. I then indirectly started clinging to her and suggested her ideas so she could come and see me, and she got defensive and told me she felt pressured by my expectations. She then eventually came and saw me, yes. But it never made me feel fulfilled, as for that to happen; it led to so much drama. After a while, she told me she was always planning to come but was trying to put me off as it was a surprise. I don’t know how I can believe that now.

    It’s not that she has never put efforts in the relationship. She does. But it doesn’t even come close to how much I have been putting in so far. When I tell her that she’s putting in fewer efforts, she questions me instead, asking why I keep count of what we’re doing for each other, and it’s wrong. She then tells me that people in love don’t do that. They don’t keep counts. We’ve talked about this countless times for countless hours, discussing what’s going wrong but leading to nowhere. Many other things have happened, like the one I mentioned above, where I started questioning if she even loves or cares about me.

    As I said, we’ve had countless talks and put in countless hours where I tell her that I feel taken for granted and all of the stuff I mentioned here, to which she tells me she is indeed putting in the effort, but I don’t see it or appreciate it. I then tell her that even if she puts in the effort, it comes after I’ve asked for it, making it seem forced. To which she tells me I don’t give her space to do anything for me. She thinks she can’t make me happy, no matter what she does I always complain and whine about it.

    I have considered breaking up with her 3-4 times now and been really close to that, but in the end, my mind and heart like giving her the benefit of the doubt. I’m not exactly sure why I can’t make up my mind to leave the relationship. One of the reasons I have thought about is maybe it is because I am too over-giving, needy, clingy, and a nice guy. All of these issues are happening. All of this had led to severe anxiety issues for me, me sabotaging the relationship and a never-ending overthinking. My mind is always in a constant battle of being both against and defending her attitude and actions.

    Am I too needy?
    Do I have low self-esteem?
    Does she really love and care about me?
    Am I with the right person?
    Is this how relationships work?
    What went wrong between us? (As for the early 7-8 months in the relationship, we never fought)
    Am I being too feminine?
    Do I love her more than she loves me?
    Is she using me?
    Is she right to be self-centered, and that’s how one should be in a relationship, or she’s a narcissist?
    And thousands of other questions go through my mind day and night…

    I’d like to mention a lot of other things that have happened between us in the span of our 2-year relationship, but I am not sure if I can cover all of that or if anyone would even bother to read such a huge write-up, so I am trying to keep this as short as possible. Anyone reading this, if you could help me analyze this situation or give me some advice, I would be highly grateful for it. Thanks!

    #441849
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Substantial:

    I am looking forward to reading ad replying to you in the next few hours or so.

    anita

    #441862
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Substantial:

    Thank you for sharing your detailed and heartfelt thoughts. It sounds like you’re navigating a complex and emotionally challenging situation. Here are some reflections and suggestions that might help you gain clarity:

    It’s understandable to feel frustrated when you believe you’re putting in more effort than your partner. Relationships ideally involve mutual give-and-take, where both partners actively contribute to each other’s happiness and well-being.

    Open communication is key. It’s important to express your feelings and needs clearly while also listening to her perspective. This can help both of you understand each other’s expectations and find a middle ground.

    Over-giving to the point of losing yourself can lead to burnout and resentment. It’s crucial to maintain a balance where you also prioritize your own needs and well-being.

    The anxiety you feel might be a signal that something needs to change. Addressing this anxiety through self-care practices and possibly seeking professional help can provide relief.

    Your concept of love involves selflessness and going out of one’s way for the other person. Reflect on whether your values, goals, and expectations align. Compatibility is essential for a healthy and fulfilling relationship.

    Consider whether issues related to self-esteem or insecurities might be influencing your perception of the relationship. Building self-confidence can help you approach the relationship from a place of strength.

    Setting healthy boundaries can ensure that your needs are met without compromising your well-being.

    It’s understandable to feel hurt when your efforts to visit her aren’t reciprocated. Look for compromises that work for both of you, such as alternating visits or finding convenient meeting points.

    Consider seeking (more and better) therapy to explore your feelings, anxieties, and relationship dynamics. A therapist can provide valuable insights and strategies for navigating these challenges. If both of you are open to it, couples therapy can help address underlying issues and improve communication.

    Take the time to reflect on your needs, values, and the overall dynamics of the relationship. Trust your instincts and make a decision that prioritizes your well-being and happiness. Navigating relationships can be complex, especially when feelings of imbalance and anxiety are involved. Remember to prioritize your well-being, communicate openly, and seek professional guidance if needed. You deserve a relationship where both partners actively contribute and support each other.

    I hope to read more from you and have a conversation with you!

    anita

    #441878
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Substantial:

    Based on the detailed post and the questions you asked at the end, I can infer certain aspects of your childhood experiences that shaped some of your current behavior and feelings in the relationship.

    It’s possible that as a child, you experienced a parentification dynamic where you took on caregiving responsibilities for your parents or siblings, placing yourself on the sidelines and prioritizing their needs. This often leads to an ingrained need to please others and take care of them at the expense of one’s own needs.

    Growing up in a home where a parent’s love and approval are conditional on a child’s ability to please the parent or meet their needs, often results in a pattern of over-giving to seek validation and affection.

    If your caregivers/ parents were emotionally unavailable, inconsistent, or neglectful, you could have developed a deep-seated fear of abandonment. This fear can manifest in adult relationships as anxiety, clinginess, and the need for constant reassurance.

    The anxiety you feel when trying to focus on your own life rather than over-giving suggests a strong fear that you might lose your partner’s love and attention if you don’t constantly prioritize her needs (same as what you feared as a child: that if you don’t always prioritize a parent’s needs, you will get any love or positive attention?)

    Growing up in a critical or invalidating home leads to low self-esteem, internalizing beliefs that you are not worthy of love unless you are constantly giving and pleasing others.

    The constant overthinking and questioning of the relationship indicate deep-rooted insecurities about your worth and the stability of the relationship.

    I would like to try and answer the questions you asked toward the end of your original post:

    1. “Am I too needy?”- It’s natural to want affection and attention in a relationship. Reflecting on whether these needs stem from childhood/ past experiences (before you met your partner) or current dynamics can help you understand and address them better.

    2. “Do I have low self-esteem?”- Your post does indicate struggles with self-esteem. Building self-worth independently of the relationship (perhaps within psychotherapy) is crucial.

    3. “Does she really love and care about me?”- Love can be expressed in different ways, and sometimes mismatched love languages can create misunderstandings. Maybe your love language is Acts of Service, and hers is Words of Affirmation (I don’t know). Honest conversations about how you both express and perceive love can provide clarity.

    You wrote: “For me, the concept of love is you are there to give to the other person, be a source of happiness and peace for that person”- But if you grew up unloved, unhappy and not in peace- without significant healing since (as in psychotherapy), it is not possible for a romantic partner to make you feel loved, happy and in peace, not for long, no matter how hard she may try.

    You wrote: “I then tell her that even if she puts in the effort, it comes after I’ve asked for it, making it seem forced. To which she tells me I don’t give her space to do anything for me”- You have specific expectations about how care and affection should be expressed in the relationship (love language). Your girlfriend might feel pressured to meet these expectations, feeling controlled and confined to your love language. She may perceive that there is little room for her own way of expressing care (her own love language).

    The fact that you ask for certain actions and then feel the efforts are forced highlights a dynamic where her possibly spontaneous acts of care/ love are less valued, maybe they go unnoticed. In other words, you may see the expression of love rigidly, as in almost limited to one love language, and you’ve been trying to force her to express her love in that one language, dismissing or not even noticing her own love language or languages.

    You wrote: “She thinks she can’t make me happy, no matter what she does I always complain and whine about it”- her statement suggests that your need for validation may be insatiable. Indeed, when needs from childhood are significantly or severely unmet for too long, no amount of love in adulthood can satisfy those unmet needs, not without a healing process such that can take place within competent psychotherapy.

    The communication issues and arguments within the relationship highlight that both partners, you and your girlfriend, are likely triggering each other’s emotional wounds. Your need for constant reassurance might trigger her feelings of inadequacy or pressure, while her perceived lack of love triggers your fears of being unloved and unworthy of love.

    4. “Am I with the right person?”- Determining if you’re with the right person involves assessing compatibility, shared values, and mutual respect. It is possible that you’ve been re-experiencing, at least in part, your past childhood struggles in the context of your romantic relationship as an adult.

    5. “Is this how relationships work?”- Healthy relationships shouldn’t lead to one person feeling consistently undervalued or anxious. So, no, it is not how a healthy relationship works.

    6. “What went wrong between us? (As for the early 7-8 months in the relationship, we never fought)”- Initial phases of relationships often involve the “honeymoon period” where conflicts are minimal, a period of time when you felt loved perhaps. As the relationship progresses, differences and unmet needs (from childhood and otherwise) surface.

    7. “Am I being too feminine?”- Attributes like nurturing, empathy, and expressing feelings are not inherently feminine or masculine; they are human traits. It’s important to embrace and honor your authentic self without labeling these qualities as feminine or masculine.

    8. “Do I love her more than she loves me?”- reads to me that you need her more than she needs you, a need that was born in childhood, way before you met her.

    9. “Is she using me?”- reflect on what are the advantages to her in the relationship with you, what are the practical and emotional benefits for her?

    10. “Is she right to be self-centered, and that’s how one should be in a relationship, or she’s a narcissist?”- I’ll answer this with a question: growing up, who was indeed self-centered, very self-centered, not even noticing what you needed, what you felt and needed?

    anita

    #441996
    Substantial
    Participant

    Hello Anita, I am highly grateful for you taking the time to help me! Thanks a lot!

    As for what you’re inferring about my childhood, you’re almost right. To give you some background, I would not say I had a great childhood. My father’s an alcoholic and a toxic person in general. Growing up, I have seen a lot of abuse (primarily emotional, sometimes physical) in my house. While the abuse was directed towards my mom, I have witnessed it and still do. My father has been there for my basic needs; he’s done more than enough to meet them. But I don’t think he was there for me emotionally. My mom has pleaded with him multiple times to get over his alcohol addiction, but things never got better. COVID-19 was more difficult for us as he lost his job, and things turned sour. I have seen my mother cry a countless number of times and always felt helpless. They’re still married, and while things are a bit better now (touching wood), they’re not completely healed. He still drinks, and it sometimes causes some drama once in a while, so I take my mother out of the home to relieve the tension. We make sure we come back to find him asleep. All of these experiences have caused me a lot of anxiety in my teenage years. I’d always be on edge when he’d be drinking, preparing for something to happen at any moment. While my anxiety has gotten significantly less regarding these family matters, it’s not entirely gone. I have tried to convince my mom several times to consider divorce or just living separately for some peace, but she never did, afraid of what society might think and for my sake. To tackle this whole situation, I still prefer living with my parents. It is common in my country, but even if I had opportunities to do something where I had to stay separately from them, I never considered it worried for the emotional and physical well-being of my mother. I am unsure if I would call my mother’s love and approval conditional, but I have experienced that too a couple of times. She can’t take my NO for an answer and would passively force me into things she thinks are right for me and her. While her intentions have always been for my well-being, it has been challenging to feel truly independent and take up responsibilities.

    I am pretty sure the parental dynamics I experienced in my childhood led to my being overgiving and self-sabotaging. Your comment has reinforced my belief that fear of abandonment is indeed one of the factors contributing to my relationship issues and my difficulty walking away. I want to be more precise, though. As I stated, my anxiety comes up when I try to focus on my own life. That’s not entirely accurate. My anxiety arises when I do not feel consistent affection or love from my girlfriend. As time has passed, it has just worsened where I closely and involuntarily monitor her every action. So, even a slight change of affection triggers my anxiety. This anxiety totally ruins my day-to-day activities and routine. I believe I am also struggling with low self-esteem, as you mentioned.

    However, I disagree with your statement that my gf can’t make me feel loved, happy, and peaceful no matter how hard she tries. I firmly believe my gf barely “does” anything even to try. If words of affirmation are indeed her love language, I’d say I receive them only “sometimes.” Most of the time, she likes to playfully banter, roast, and give backhanded compliments. I have received most words of affirmation as reassurance when I’m angry, upset, or disappointed by her actions. I’d double down on this by saying that words don’t mean anything unless backed by actions. Her past actions have mostly contradicted her words of affirmation. I have reflected on this a lot, and I’ve come to realize that there was a point in the relationship where my childhood wounds got triggered because of her questionable actions, which compromised the relationship. However, I’ve continued to tolerate this, maybe because of my fear of abandonment and giving her the benefit of the doubt. After reading your comment, I have let her know the love language I prefer is acts of service and physical touch. Let’s see how it goes.

    I also disagree with your notion that she feels confined or pressured to my preferred love language. I believe a person must learn how to love their partner by trying out things and seeing what makes them happy the most. If not, they should at least give some consideration when their partner eventually tells them they feel unloved or unhappy in the relationship. When asking for some other form of love language, they should be flexible enough to do so. I don’t find my gf doing that. As I mentioned, she blatantly declined or made excuses when asked for it. Also, while you say my needs for validation are insatiable, it gives me the vibe of you believing her word as the complete truth when they are not. As I mentioned, she barely “does” anything for me. “Saying” stuff when I am angry or disappointed does not account for anything. There have been instances where I needed her care and support, but she just wasn’t there for me. Then, as she realizes her absence, she tries to compensate for it by giving a lot of words of affirmation or doing something eventually to please me.

    As I reflect on her advantages in the relationship and question if she uses me, I’ve come up with the following emotional and practical benefits. I am someone she could have a “convenient” relationship with where she has to do less than the bare minimum to keep me from leaving the relationship. My attitude of over-giving and going out of my way is also comfortable for her as I do most of the work in the relationship, and she gets to prioritize her own goals while I do so. She is also happy in the relationship, apart from the anxiety issues I’ve been dealing with, which may disturb her. She rarely has any problems with my actions, as I am always thoughtful and conscious of how my actions might hurt her. Overall, it seems like a good deal for someone who wants to get away by doing the least while still having the benefits of a relationship where she can feel loved and cared for.

    I also want to say that having a bad childhood is not the only reason I am unhappy in the relationship, although your comment does seem to imply that. I think it is essential to consider how my girlfriend has been showing up in the relationship, too, which I find less than satisfactory.

    I am curious to know what you think of this. Again, thanks a lot for taking the time to help me out! I’m grateful for this 🙂

    #442000
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Substantial:

    Thank you for sharing more about your experiences. It’s clear that this relationship is bringing up significant anxiety and feelings of unmet needs for you. It’s good that you’ve communicated your needs to her in regard to your love language. Let’s she how she responds, if she does.

    “I also want to say that having a bad childhood is not the only reason I am unhappy in the relationship, although your comment does seem to imply that. I think it is essential to consider how my girlfriend has been showing up in the relationship, too, which I find less than satisfactory”-

    – I understand that having a difficult childhood is not the only factor contributing to your unhappiness in the relationship with your girlfriend. It’s important to consider both your childhood experiences and how your girlfriend is showing up in the relationship.

    I want to emphasize that both aspects can be true simultaneously: your unmet needs from childhood affecting your expectations and experiences in the relationship, and at the same time, your girlfriend’s behavior being less than satisfactory and contributing to your unhappiness.

    Today you shared about your father’s alcoholism and abusive behavior. Your mother endured a lot of emotional abuse and sometimes physical abuse, which you witnessed. This situation caused you (and would cause any child) to feel helpless and anxious on an ongoing basis.

    To help your situation- in which you found yourself through no fault of your own- and reduce your consequent anxiety, you took on the parentified role of protecting your mother, taking on responsibilities that a child is not equipped to take, neither mentally nor emotionally.

    While the aim in taking on adult’s responsibilities is to lower tension in the home and consequently, lower the child’s anxiety, the responsibility of continuously managing and mitigating household tension leads to increased anxiety on the part of the child because the child is continuously vigilant and prepared for the next conflict or outburst. This state of hyper-awareness keeps the child on edge, unable to relax.

    While your parentified actions may have temporarily reduced immediate tension in the home, the long-term emotional burden of parentification increased your anxiety. The constant vigilance, overwhelming responsibility, and unresolved trauma of witnessing a lot of abuse contributed to your heightened anxiety, even as you tried to create a safer environment for your mother.

    Also, while some of your mother’s intentions were for your well-being, her inability to accept your “NO” and passive forcefulness into things she deemed right might have led you to feel her love was conditional, at least at times.

    Currently, as an adult, you choose to live with your parents. The dynamics and tensions in the home improved, but are still there, and you continue to protect and support your mother. Living with parents is common in your country, but your reasons are deeply tied to the emotional and physical safety of your mother.

    You wrote today in regard to your current anxiety in the context of living with your parents: “While my anxiety has gotten significantly less regarding these family matters, it’s not entirely gone”. A few days ago, you wrote this in regard to your anxiety in the context of your relationship with your girlfriend: “I wake up every morning extremely anxious, and it’s been ruining my sleep”. Actually, the title of your thread includes the words “Relationship Anxiety”, referring to your relationship with your girlfriend-

    – it is quite common for anxiety to shift from one context to another, especially when it has its roots in early life experiences and unresolved emotional issues. The anxiety rooted in early life experiences, such as living in an abusive or unstable household, can become ingrained in a person’s emotional and psychological makeup. If these issues are not adequately addressed and healed, they can resurface in different contexts, such as romantic relationships. When faced with similar emotional triggers in a new context, such as a romantic relationship, the old anxiety resurfaces.

    Based on your description of your girlfriend, she does exhibit self-centered and selfish behaviors, at least to some extent.

    This is the very beginning of your original post: “I find my gf too self-centered. I don’t know how to feel about that. It seems as if she hesitates to go out of her way to do anything for me or will choose the most convenient path to please or be there for me. On the other hand, I find myself making compromises a lot to be there for her or to please her. So much so that I am completely losing myself in this relationship”-

    – integrating this quote with what you shared in your 2nd post, it seems like the dynamics of your romantic relationship are mirroring the dynamics you have experienced in your relationship with your mother. This pattern can be a trigger and lead to similar feelings of anxiety, self-sacrifice, and emotional neglect.

    * It’s important to recognize that people can exhibit complex and sometimes contradictory behaviors. An abused wife, like your mother, can still display self-centered or selfish behaviors, even if she is also a victim of abuse: (1) she chose to stay in an abusive relationship partly due to her fear of societal judgment and the stigma of divorce. This decision, while understandable, prioritized her fears over her son’s need for a safer and more stable environment. (2) Her emotional and financial dependence on her husband, despite his abusive behavior, might have led her to prioritize her need for his presence over her son’s well-being. (3) She struggles to accept her son’s/ your “NO” and would passively force you into things she thought were right for you and her. This behavior suggests a lack of consideration for your autonomy and preferences. By not respecting your boundaries and pushing you into actions she deemed appropriate, she exerted control over you, prioritizing her desires over your independence. (4) By not seeking external help or considering separation, she indirectly forced you to bear the emotional weight of the family’s dysfunction, prioritizing her comfort over your emotional health.

    In summary: while your mother was undoubtedly a victim of abuse and faced significant challenges, her actions and decisions also exhibited self-centeredness and selfishness as she prioritized her own needs and fears, often at the expense of considering your need for safety and emotional well-being. Similarly, your girlfriend is self-centered, hesitating to go out of her way to support you and often choosing the most convenient path for herself.

    As a child and onward, you felt compelled to prioritize your mother’s needs, trying to protect her and manage the household tension. As an adult, in your romantic relationship, you find yourself making numerous compromises to please your girlfriend, to the point of losing yourself in the relationship.

    The self-centered behavior of your girlfriend likely triggers similar emotions and anxieties that you experienced in your childhood with your mother.

    People often unconsciously seek out relationships that mirror their early experiences, even if those experiences were negative. This repetition compulsion happens because these patterns feel familiar, even if they are harmful. Recognizing that these patterns exist is a crucial first step. Understanding that your romantic relationship is triggering similar dynamics to those you experienced with your mother can provide valuable insight.

    Remember, you deserve a relationship where both partners feel loved, supported, and respected. I’m here for you if you want to talk more about this.

    anita

    #442778
    Substantial
    Participant

    Hello Anita,

    Your response regarding my dynamics with my mother is highly insightful and sensible. However, I am unsure if this “certainly” is why everything has turned out this way in my relationship. Is there any way to be sure if this is the actual reason? Sorry to sound skeptical, but since I’ve been to two different therapists, I found a striking contrast in their reasoning regarding my situation. Similar to your response, one of the therapists spoke about the conditional love my mother gives to me but claimed I used the same dynamic with my gf, where I conditionally loved my gf based on her actions and affection towards me. I still disagree with that notion. I feel my expectations and emotions of anxiety and confusion are rooted in the self-centered and empathy-lacking behaviors of my gf. At the same time, I am also not sure if that’s the case. FYI- My gf also agrees that she does lack empathy and is really bad at it when I pointed out how her actions disregard how it’d make me feel. I suggested she see a therapist about it, but she declined, saying she doesn’t like therapists and doctors as they make her feel uncomfortable.

    The other therapist seemingly agreed my gf wasn’t showing up well in the relationship and suggested I talk to my gf again about it and observe if she gets defensive or acknowledging. She highlighted that if she gets defensive, it’s not a good sign. And that, I feel, is precisely what happened. As I had a long talk with my gf about the level of effort she is putting in and the anxiety it causes me, my gf thought I was making her feel worthless and as if she isn’t the one. In the end, out of frustration, she just told me that if she caused so much anxiety to me, I should consider cutting her off. This comment of hers deeply hurt me, but still, I chose to put up with it, giving her the benefit of doubt, thinking if I was in the wrong here.

    This is one of the most significant issues I am facing. It’s hard for me to tell if it’s my gf who behaves in unhealthy ways, or if she doesn’t meet my standards of what I expect in a partner, or if my insecurities and fear of abandonment are at play while she’s a perfectly fine partner. For example, for my argument regarding my gf’s self-centeredness, I also start thinking, “Well, what’s wrong with that? She’s looking out for herself. You keep abandoning and losing yourself for her, which is unnecessary. You should look out for yourself, too.” But then I also start thinking that I don’t see her making many compromises and find it quite natural for partners in love to go out of their way to do something for their loved ones just like I do. These contradictions keep puzzling me a lot and lead to a lot of cognitive dissonance.

    I also agree with your view on my mother. I reflected on what you said. She is indeed passively forceful, not at times, but most of the time. She just can’t take NO for an answer. She creates drama and breaks out emotionally as if I insulted or hurt her by saying things like, “Of course, you are never there for your mother,” or “You don’t value me,” and more.

    It pains me to see myself in such a situation. As a 26-year-old adult, I sometimes feel paranoid or crazy. Most of the time, I think of leaving the relationship as it is not doing me any good. But then, I dread to take that step, thinking, what if it is all my shortcomings, and I lose a perfectly fine partner and repeat the same things with my next partner?

    There are also some other major factors at play. Since my gf and I belong to different religions, it’d be a daunting task to convince both of our parents to approve of our marriage. It is pretty clear that both of our parents disapprove of us marrying a person who belongs to another religion. Both of us haven’t yet formally disclosed to our parents that we are indeed together and are considering a serious future together, ending up in a marriage. Our parents do have hints that we’re together but are just speculating now. I’ve personally kept this on hold, considering I am not confident about my gf, as I would be questioned by parents left and right about my choice, and I should be well convinced myself first, even to start convincing my parents.

    All in all, I am struggling to find the ultimate truth. My gf is not the right partner for me; she’s not showing up as a good partner, or I’m sabotaging my whole relationship due to my anxieties and insecurities, which might be unreasonable.
    Let me know what your thoughts are on this, Anita. Thank you for your response, grateful!

    #442779
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Substantial:

    You are very welcome, and thank you for honestly sharing your thoughts and feelings. It is Mon afternoon here, and I am looking forward to reading your post attentively Tues morning and respond then: be back to you tomorrow!

    anita

    #442802
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Substantial

    Hmm the difficulty with anxiety is it’s not rational. You describe your style of love as “over-giving”. Not everyone has the same standards or expectations. You say that she rarely complains about you. That is a positive thing and rare to find.

    That being said, she might not be the person for you. You might just prefer to be with someone who is different from how she is and there is nothing wrong with that, if that is the case.

    The difficulty being that everyone has flaws and no one is perfect.

    The question is what do you really want? It is okay to be honest with yourself. When you are calm and not feeling anxious, how do you feel?

    #442808
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Substantial:

    Thank you again for sharing your thoughts and concerns with me. It’s clear that you’re grappling with a complex and difficult situation, and I appreciate your openness.

    It’s understandable to feel unsure about the root causes of your relationship dynamics. Therapy can provide different perspectives, but ultimately, understanding your feelings and experiences is a personal journey. It may not be possible to pinpoint one definitive cause because multiple factors and their interplay contribute to a complex situation.

    It’s insightful that you’re reflecting on the idea of conditional love. While it’s natural to feel that your expectations stem from your girlfriend’s behavior, it’s also important to consider how your own past and present experiences and patterns- within your home- play a role. It’s not about assigning blame but about understanding the dynamics at play.

    Acknowledging your girlfriend’s lack of empathy and her unwillingness to seek therapy is significant. It’s crucial for both partners in a relationship to be willing to work on themselves and the relationship. Her defensiveness and hurtful comments indicate a lack of emotional support, which is understandably difficult for you.

    The cognitive dissonance you’re experiencing is natural when faced with conflicting thoughts and emotions. It’s important to learn to listen to and trust your inner voice in regard to what is true and right for you.

    The additional challenges of different religious backgrounds and parental approval add another layer of complexity. It’s crucial to be confident in your relationship before addressing these external pressures.

    “I feel my expectations and emotions of anxiety and confusion are rooted in the self-centered and empathy-lacking behaviors of my gf. At the same time, I am also not sure if that’s the case…I also agree with your view on my mother. I reflected on what you said. She is indeed passively forceful, not at times, but most of the time. She just can’t take NO for an answer. She creates drama and breaks out emotionally as if I insulted or hurt her by saying things like, ‘Of course, you are never there for your mother,’ or ‘You don’t value me,’ and more”-

    – Constant emotional drama and manipulation by a mother like yours, and so it happens, mine as well, create a sense of anxiety and insecurity in a child, be it a son or a daughter. It made me feel like I was walking on eggshells, constantly trying to avoid triggering emotional outbursts from my mother.

    Being told things like “You are never there for your mother” or “You don’t value me” instill deep-seated guilt and self-doubt in a son or daughter. I repeatedly felt like I was not doing enough, no matter how much I tried, and ultimately I felt not good enough as a person, and therefore, not deserving good things like being accepted, appreciated, respected and loved.

    A mother who can’t take “No” for an answer teaches her son- or daughter- that setting boundaries is unacceptable. This can make it very difficult to establish and maintain healthy boundaries in other relationships, including romantic ones.

    The fear of causing emotional pain or being perceived as unloving by one’s own mother can lead to a fear of abandonment. This fear may cause the son- or daughter- to stay in unhealthy relationships out of fear of losing the other person.

    Experiencing conditional love from one’s mother can lead to feeling that you need to earn love and acceptance through your actions, rather than feeling inherently worthy of love.

    “All in all, I am struggling to find the ultimate truth… Let me know what your thoughts are on this, Anita. Thank you for your response, grateful!”- you are welcome and thank you for caring to know my thoughts. My additional thoughts: seems to me that your girlfriend is not right for you, that you need a more empathetic and generous woman, generous with her time and efforts. Seems to me that you’ve been staying in the relationship because of confusion and fear of abandonment.

    Based on the totality of what you shared with me, I disagree with the therapist who suggested that you love your gf conditionally based on her actions and affection towards you, implying perhaps that as it is strange or selfish to love a person based on their actions and affection. We all should love a partner in a romantic relationship based on their actions and affection (while not expecting them to be perfect and allowing for times when they can’t support us and need our support).

    I agree with the other therapist who agreed with you that your gf wasn’t (adequately) showing up in the relationship.

    Thank you again for trusting me with your thoughts and feelings. Take care of yourself, and remember that you are not alone in this journey. I’m here for you, and I believe in your ability to find clarity and contentment.

    anita

    #443022
    Substantial
    Participant

    Hello Anita. Thank you for your response. Your support has been a light during a tough time, and I can’t tell you how much that means to me. I deeply appreciate you.

    I took some time to reflect on what you said.

    I introspected on what’s stopping me from leaving the relationship if it is causing me so much anxiety. I imagined myself breaking up with her and what I would go through after that. Here’s what I think would happen:

  • I will keep second-guessing myself, thinking if it was the right thing to do.
  • I will be haunted by thoughts that it was me and me only that sabotaged the whole relationship with my insecurities while my gf was a perfectly fine partner.
  • I will feel unfit for relationships as I would think of myself as an insecure person who is not desirable. A person who ruins good things.
  • I will hold myself accountable for the hurt I caused her by breaking up, making me feel guilty. She had told me that she never believed in love but started believing in it after meeting me. I will feel guilty to break her belief.
  • I will feel lonely. My life will feel empty with no close people.
  • I will blame myself for getting into this relationship, giving her hopes for a future together, and then taking it all away.
  • I will feel really guilty for breaking her heart and causing her all the pain, as I’d still feel the love for her even after breaking up.
  • She was a perfectly fine partner; I messed it up, and I might never find a girl like her ever again.
  • Looking at these thoughts, it seems that ‘fear of abandonment’ and ‘low self-esteem’ are definitely the two things I’m suffering from. I think there would be more underlying fears, but these are the ones that immediately come to my mind. All of this still confuses me a lot. At times, I feel as if she really does love me a lot, but then it also feels as if she just really loves the way I love her, and that’s about it. It’s a constant battle in my mind; one side defends her, and the other is against her.

    I am just not sure how to navigate around these fears and confusion. Even when I think of breaking up, I cannot make up my mind, and thoughts defending her rush in, leading to more confusion.

    Lately, since I have been reflecting a lot on this personally, I naturally pulled back from the relationship in terms of the enthusiasm and energy I usually show up with. She asked what was wrong, and I did not tell her anything. Strangely, I noticed her then starting to put effort into doing a couple of things for me and being more lovely and sweet. I am not sure what to make of that. It seemed she sensed me pulling away, leading her to do all this. It sometimes feels as if she only feels like doing something when she senses me pulling away, or is she trying to be a better partner now? I am not sure about this.

    Let me know what you think of this, Anita. Looking forward to hearing from you.

#443044
Alessa
Participant

Hi Substantial

You don’t necessarily sound insecure to me. It sounds like you have some genuine concerns about incompatibility. You clearly care about her. But caring about a person doesn’t mean that you are compatible.

People don’t have to be bad to not be our person. And you aren’t a bad person because your needs are different to hers. That is a part of life. It is human to want a partner that can meet our needs. You deserve for your needs to be met and not live unhappily in a relationship that doesn’t meet your needs.

It is only through dating that you can get to know if someone is the right person for you or not.

From how you describe her she is able to take care of herself. I think that a break up would initially suck, as break ups do. She would be okay after that initial hump though.

It’s nice that she is trying to take extra care of you when she feels that you are upset. The question is realistically, practically what actions would you need her to take in order for the relationship to continue?

For example, you mentioned that she doesn’t visit enough. How often would you like that to happen?

#443046
anita
Participant

Dear Substantial:

Thank you for your kind words. I’m truly glad to read that my support has been helpful to you during this tough time.

I appreciate the time you’ve taken to reflect on the situation and share your thoughts so openly. It’s clear that you’re experiencing a lot of internal conflict and anxiety regarding your relationship. Your introspection shows great self-awareness, and that’s an important step toward finding clarity.

It’s understandable to feel a range of emotions when considering ending a relationship. The concerns you mentioned are valid, and many people experience similar fears and doubts. Here are a few points to consider:

Second-Guessing: It’s natural to second-guess yourself, especially when making significant decisions.

Self-Blame: While it’s important to reflect on your own actions, remember that relationships involve two people. Both partners contribute to the dynamics, and it’s rarely just one person’s fault.

Fear of Loneliness: Fear of being alone can be powerful, but sometimes, taking a step back can provide the space needed for personal growth and healing.

Low Self-Esteem and Fear of Abandonment: Recognizing these underlying fears is crucial. Working on building self-esteem and addressing abandonment issues can help you gain confidence and clarity.

I noticed that you seem to be experiencing a lot of repetitive and intense thoughts about the relationship and its potential outcomes. This kind of thinking is often referred to as “rumination” or “obsessive thinking.” Obsessive thinking can make it difficult to find clarity and peace. It might be helpful to explore ways to manage these thoughts, such as mindfulness practices, journaling, and seeking professional support: a therapist or counselor who can help you develop strategies to manage obsessive thinking and provide guidance tailored to your situation.

About her behavior: it’s interesting to note that when you naturally pulled back, she started putting more effort into the relationship. This could indicate that she values the relationship and senses the need to make changes. However, it’s also important to consider whether these changes are sustainable and if they address the core issues causing your anxiety.

Ultimately, the decision to stay or leave the relationship is a deeply personal one. Be gentle with yourself. Acknowledge your feelings and allow yourself the time and space to process them. Learn to trust yourself to make the choice that aligns with your well-being and growth.

I hope this helps, and I’m here for you as you continue to navigate this journey.

anita

Viewing 13 posts - 1 through 13 (of 13 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic. Please log in OR register.