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January 1, 2016 at 2:06 pm #91120
Arran
ParticipantI must add that I have many times thought it would be nicer (easier) to just end life. Then all the problems and mental negativity I feel would be over. But since having kids I always think of the pain I would bring on them which brings a change to my train of thought.
January 1, 2016 at 2:16 pm #91122Anonymous
GuestDear Arran:
I would like to understand your struggle better. I wrote “your struggle”- this is how I see you, struggling, and yet you wrote: “Not having to struggle in life has made me lazy, which I hate.”
You did not struggle in life to get food on the table, and pay the bills you mean?
Here is a question: how did you struggle as a child to win the approval of your patent/ parents?
I am asking this so to gain insight into you, hoping to be of some help to you, and in so being, to your wife and most importantly, to your kids. If you are willing we can communicate until insight is gained.
anita
January 1, 2016 at 3:01 pm #91128Arran
ParticipantThank you for your reply.
Yes I mean that compared to many others who have tough lives growing up, I am far from that. I was not spoilt yet what thought was the best for me was given and done. I find people who have not had an easy life are stronger in character than me. They would be more appreciative.
I have never had a great loving close relationship with my parents. Today there is only my mother and still I find it hard to get along with her.
My parents have always had high standards. The way you look, dress, education etc… Which I considered to be secondary to the true feeling of love. Looking at now and the past I never like/liked receiving compliments or any love/affection and would distance myself from it. I grew up as an only child and found my own space to be the best.
I feel by the age I was able to make my own decisions in life i never learned the Ability to do it properly.
I do feel this pursuit of perfection came from my parents. They would never demand or say anything but i suppose it was an unwritten expectation. My schooling was at top schools. My grades were always poor. From the outside people saw me as a model child. I have never really fitted into any group in school or college. I always felt an outsider. I was at schools were they were all highly intelligent, then a school where they were very rich, and then a school where I was considered the well spoken rich one, the in college I struggled with my grades.
Even now if I look at people around I never seem to fit in and I feel I have to change myself and adapt to other people.
I am Asian guy which grew up in a white neighbourhood. Never had or even now I don’t have any Asian friends. I don’t fit in with Asians. They have all seemed to have lived different lives than me. They see me as a unique person to them. Now with my non-Asian friends I don’t really fit in there also. I have always felt like I am in no-mans land.
Sorry for blabbing on. I feeling i am sitting in self-pity. Which is stupid.
January 1, 2016 at 3:04 pm #91129jock
ParticipantI know the person I would like to be but I just canโt seem to bring myself to be him. It is easier being me
Let’s look at that statement again.
Do you really know the person you’d like to be? Have you fleshed it out in detail? Written it all down?
Is this ideal self so great? He may lack the good qualities you have now.
So you say it is “easier being me”. Do you mean you prefer to be the lazy version of you? Do you really know who “me” is?I think you’d benefit from meditation or mindfulness. get some distance from your thoughts and emotions. You may discover there are some positive thoughts in there as well.
Maybe it is a matter of accepting the imperfect version of yourself.January 1, 2016 at 3:19 pm #91132Anonymous
Guest* Good to see you here, Juanita!
Dear Arran:
You know the Beatles’s song: “All you need is love”? I think it is true. This is obviously what you did not have: LOVE. And as a child you desperately needed it. You didn’t get it. So you grew up impoverished. Not connected, not to your parents, not to others, an outside… and you still are, walking at the edge of the room watching others having fun (your original post).
You hold on to perfection because (?) deep inside, you believe IF you were perfect than you would have been loved, as a child.
And having gotten poor grades in school, and succeeding presently far less than perfection, you feel hopeless, too far from perfection= too far from love.
The connection between perfection and love was made in your brain when you were a child and the connection is there. Your wife may still love you (?) Your kids I have no doubt- they do love you, but you cannot let their love inside you because for you- due to the early connection- you are not loved until perfect.
Being so far from perfect, you feel hopeless and think about death as a place to rest from the painful lack of love in your experience. You know you can never be perfect…
What is love? It is NOT perfection. It is not material success. It is when you realize you were born lovable and didn’t have to do or achieve anything to EARN it.
Look at your children, do they need to earn your love?
A good psychotherapy can help you gradually undo the neural connections in your brain between love and perfection and make new connections between love and you just BEING. (A human BEING, not a human doer). A good enough psychotherapist will help you through this.
Reality is, truth is, you were born lovable. And you are lovable. You don’t have to do anything. Once you KNOW this truth, your mental health will be good and you will feel peace and LIFE in you and … well, this is the way.
What do you think?
anitaJanuary 1, 2016 at 3:23 pm #91133Anonymous
GuestMore: the reason you are “lazy” I believe is that you are discouraged- all your efforts to EARN love by DOING this or that have failed, so what is the use of trying, of doing more? So part of you knows already that there is no use doing more.
You can’t cheat yourself this way: you need the feeling that you are okay, good enough, approvable. Part of you knows you have failed to get that by action, so it doesn’t want to do anymore. You call it LAZY but it really makes sense.
January 1, 2016 at 3:38 pm #91135Arran
ParticipantThank you for your replies.
Yes there is some sense in what you are saying.
I am open to seeing a person for help. However I have always found that paying for help never ends in success. It is hard to find good service providers out there (in any precession)
Knowing my luck I will pay lots of money and not really get anywhere. (Based on past experience).I can see that right now I am struggling with life because I am now not just trying to be perfect for myself and parents and friends but now I am trying to be perfect husband, Perfect father and Perfect boss. Feel like I am failing on all fronts.
January 1, 2016 at 3:53 pm #91138Anonymous
GuestDear Arran:
But you CAN’T be perfect at any of those things you mentioned. You can’t be a perfect husband and your wife cannot be a perfect wife. You can’t be a perfect father and your children will not be perfect.
Nobody can be a perfect child, husband, father. Nobody and you are no exception. You just have to be “good enough”.
Talk to your wife then, tell her honestly how you feel, be vulnerable with her. She will love you for it if she is decent and healthy enough. She will love you for telling her you are not as strong as you were trying to be. She can help you. You can find love and healing within the context of your relationship with your wife. Let her help you as you help her. None of you perfect, but you can both LOVE each other, in practice, in kindness.
Get comfort from her. I suppose the fact you didn’t get love and comfort from your parents, means you do not reach out for it… you may be resisting it, not feeling good about it.
But if you want healing and you don’t want psychotherapy, you have to try with your wife, to have the HEALING RELATIONSHIP you need.Back later.
anitaJanuary 1, 2016 at 6:21 pm #91147Anonymous
GuestDear Arran:
I think that you are trying to be a perfect husband on your own, that is by yourself, without your wife. To be a GOOD ENOUGH husband you have to be part of a team with her. You are too used to being alone, from childhood on, on the outside looking in. TO be a good enough husband… go inside, go to where your wife is, hold her hands and say: I am so alone and have been so alone for such a long time. I didn’t consider that I can be together with you, that I don’t have to be alone. We can work together to have a good marriage, and together to be good parents. I need your help. I can’t do it alone.
The way it is, you are alone and she is alone. It will make the difference between night and day if you reach out to her, let her know you need her, that she is needed.
You are trying to be a perfect father from the outside, as well. You need to come “inside” to where your kids are, bend down so you look into their eyes, look at your child. If he seems sad, tell him: You look sad, and keep your eyes on his. You feel his sadness and your face express your own sadness. This mirrors to your child that he is feeling sad. You invite him to tell you what he feels and you listen. You come out of yourself, of worrying about your performance.
To be good husband, a good father, you don’t PERFORM, you INTERACT. You enter their world and allow them to enter your world.
You have been used to being alone all your life…as a child. You don’t really know any other way on an ongoing basis. Time to know another way.
What do you think? If you don’t know how to start talking to your wife, you might want to share this very thread with her. Hey, she can write to me… You know her, be one of a team of two with her.
anita
January 2, 2016 at 12:30 am #91160Arran
ParticipantThank you again for your reply.
My wife has come from a different life than mine which probably was an attraction. She is very humble. She likes the simple things In life. So my inherent search for perfection doesn’t fit with her thinking.
I would love to talk to her but she is already stressed with family life and work.
Unfortunately I wish I was more active in helping her with looking after our young babies. She does the feeding, changing everything. I occasionally help when she asks me too. But I feel lazy and not proactive. The babies still yearn for the mother as they spend more time together. This will change as they get older.I want her to be happy and i sometimes feel her lack of happiness is my fault. She left her family to come live with me. She works with me and work is a mess. My mother lives near us. All these things are from my side and which I introduced into her life. All these things are bringing her anxiety.
January 2, 2016 at 12:47 am #91161Arran
ParticipantBy the way I have never been a good sleeper. Only now I sleep a bit longer out of exhaustion.
As a child I was know never to sleep. My mind would always be active
January 2, 2016 at 8:06 am #91168Anonymous
GuestDear Arran:
I am thinking my suggestion to work with your wife as a team, talking things through, how you feel, how she feels, what you can do to help each other… will make her and you calmer. So when you wrote that you can’t talk to her because she is already stressed, I think talking is a good idea because she is stressed. Your first inclination may be that talking will bring more stress, but if you try it you may find it is the opposite. If talking is done right, Empathetically, Assertively, Respectfully (EAR) then it can only help each other, a Win-Win proposition.
I like your wife’s value of the simple things in life, this is a big plus for a perfectionist. She can really help you if you let her.
Please re-read our correspondence on this thread and think about it calmly, then get back with me, if you would like, there may be something useful for you to consider and experiment with (try it in practice).
anita
January 2, 2016 at 1:35 pm #91176Timothy
ParticipantArran,
I think you should know you’re not alone, even in your feeling of being alone.
I have treatment-resistant depression, and I also am never happy, or really even content. I struggle with physical pain from a neck issue that will eventually require surgery to “resolve,” but the surgery probably won’t be an option until I’m in my 40s or 50s. I’m currently in my late 20s, and have a beautiful, wonderful wife and daughter, and another baby on the way. My family is wonderful, and I know they’re wonderful, but… I still am not happy or content.
It’s exhausting to need everything around you to be perfect, because it’s a never-ending battle. My parents both loved me as a child, and I know that in my adult head, but my mother began getting very sick with bipolar disorder when I was about 6, and my father worked as a professor, but never received tenure, so was always working endless hours for minimal pay. I didn’t go without anything I needed, but I also don’t feel like my childhood was comforting… I was alone, as it sounds like you were.
I haven’t found the answer yet, and have had similar experiences (lackluster) with therapists, so am indifferent about the idea of seeking one out. I think Anita has an excellent point. If your wife is anything like mine (and it sounds like she is, superficially, at least)… she will understand that you’re struggling, and that is where some of her stress comes from, is a feeling of helplessness, being unable to make you happy, because nothing makes you happy. I find some solace in prayer, which can be to God, or if you don’t hold such beliefs, can be to the Universe. Either way, something more powerful than you is out there to listen whenever you need to talk.
My 6 year old daughter just came over, and gave me the biggest hug, and told me she loved me, and looked at me with her beautiful brown eyes… Those types of times, I can just barely feel the positive aura that comes from the love that she and her mother have for me, and show me daily. It nearly brings me to tears, because with their love comes all of this guilt that comes from knowing I’m unhappy, and feeling like I shouldn’t be that way, and that I’m somehow robbing them of the happier version of me, which I pray and hope exists… I’ve spent far too long in this despair, and I just hope that I stumble across the answer.
I hope knowing that you’re not alone in your feeling of loneliness and hopelessness is itself a boost to your feelings.
Blessings,
TimJanuary 2, 2016 at 2:05 pm #91180Timothy
ParticipantArrin,
I tried posting this twice, but for some reason, the “link” button seems to throw my post into a black hole when I hit submit. ๐
Please take the time to read that article, as it was very useful for me, in determining the source of my depression: anger. Not at all uncommon for us men.
Blessings,
TimJanuary 2, 2016 at 5:19 pm #91182Arran
ParticipantHi Tim
Thank you for your post. It is good to read that I am not alone because as you said I do feel alone and outside of life. You seem to be in a very similar situation to me.
I will talk to my wife but I do feel she will feel helpless. She is already doing so much. She is saying to me that she can’t do anymore and is getting tired. She wants me to do a little more. I am thinking we need some home help so it takes some of the burden off her but she is not up for it.
In the past I have suggested getting babysitters but she is not up for this also. I think it is all about having people in our house and looking after our young ones who we don’t know. She has mentioned many times that she doesn’t want to bring up our kids like my parents did with me. I had many live-in nannies when I was very young. She feels parents should bring up kids and not pay for someone to do it.
I know what she means but I think just house keeping help would be some assistance and take that stress away.Seeking help and talking openly is not something I do with close people I know. I find it easier to talk to new people.
One thing I have noticed which adds anxiety to myself and my wife is the importance my family give to what other people think. I have been brought up with this totally ingrained in me. Dress properly, talk properly… What will people think.. I see it in family from my side soo much and it drives me crazy. I know I do it also. I think there is some thought we should give but not let it run our lives. Example: my mother did Christmas lunch this year. She was so insistent that the lunch is perfect! Must have all the expected bits and pieces. I told her she should take it easy and create a simple lunch. Then she was insistent that our kids have brand new clothes. We thought does it matter really… It is just family and as long as they dress smartly and are comfortable that’s all should matter.
I remember growing up people would ask “what do you want to do when you grow up”. I used to say a surgeon because that’s what was expected of me. I had no real desire to do this.
It just shows the fakeness I and people have to show to the outside world. More so to family and friends. I had pressure to do well at school but I just was not academic. I look back and wish parents or teachers would encourage me to have done something I enjoyed.I hope for a better world for my kids. I hope I can be an open and encouraging father. I notice myself drawn into the wrong way of thinking because that is the world I grew up in and still live in.
I have had a really unlucky 2015 and I hope for a more fruitful 2016.
But I keep thinking what matters most Arran is your wife and kids. They should e happy and that is my life goal now. Doesn’t matter what other people think of me or my family.
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