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February 18, 2020 at 11:42 am #338884
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GuestDear Gaia:
How are you???
anita
February 28, 2020 at 3:19 pm #340584Gaia
ParticipantHi Anita
(Sorry for mistakenly reporting again btw)
How are you?
I’m sorry if it seems like I just dropped the thread, sometimes I feel like I need to be by myself and then come back when I actually have something meaningful to say or add. When we last talked about therapists and medications I felt like I reached a wall, a closed off road, I had nothing else to do for my own growth or nothing else to add on this thread, besides going in circles. I still feel the same but as I said, sometimes I need my quiet time to share later what I’ve done or thought about.
Also sometimes (or better, most of the time) I’m just disorganized like that. I randomly pull off from others and conversations, I go where my very fried brain push me, that most of the time is in complete intertia and lethargy.
February 28, 2020 at 3:43 pm #340586Anonymous
GuestDear Gaia:
I am fine, as fine as I can be. I understand the frustration about “going in circles”.
“I still feel the same”, you wrote, having “reached a wall, a closed off road”-
– Fantasy is one way to go around a wall, or jump straight up into the sky, lie down of a fluffy white cloud among the stars, no walls.
– Reality is another way to go around a wall, seeing reality is it is.
It is easy to go the fantasy route, difficult to go the reality route.
anita
February 29, 2020 at 1:05 am #340630Gaia
ParticipantLately I’m not really hiding in fantasy, actually. I know one of my biggest issues is the fact that I zone out, I numb out and live in my little mind, I’ve tried to be more present and be aware of when I slip into numbing habits. I’ve noticed when difficult feelings arise and I’ve let them be, I’ve let boredom, anger, frustration express themselves without trying to distract myself. What I’ve gathered is that an entire life (and childhood especially) spent on electronic devices or neglected at doing my own thing without be helped aquiring usefully skills and social skills/experiences has left my brain really disorientated and confused, it has left me without a formed identity and sense of self.
My parents were both distant somehow and this left me neglected, or too self sufficient, I guess I experienced them both abandoning and intrusive (my mom in this case, as we’ve explained plenty)
February 29, 2020 at 7:45 am #340656Anonymous
GuestDear Gaia:
You made progress being “more present and be aware”, and letting your feelings “express themselves without trying to distract” yourself.
I just read the first post you made on this thread, Sept 2019:”I can be utterly enraged, shamed and revengeful over nothing… there’s no means I can express my emotional storms and mental conflicts and thoughts outside, with someone that either understands or can be trustworthy”-
– why not express it right here on your thread. I know we talked about things but you didn’t express your emotions freely. I think you always tried to contain yourself, holding yourself back. How about this exercise: get yourself ready (maybe being alone in your room with the computer, no interruptions) and type away anything and everything that comes to your mind, all the anger, all the hate, all those “violent thoughts and emotions” you mentioned in that first post of this thread, keep typing away the experience of “feeling pulled and disintegrated by several conflicting parts”.
Don’t censor yourself, type away, and when you are done, relax, then go back to what you typed and make a few edits, just so to take away particular descriptions of violence and adding *** to certain words, like f*** instead of the word itself. Then submit it.
anita
February 29, 2020 at 8:29 am #340662Gaia
ParticipantDear Anita
The reason I seem contained is because this is a public thread and reveal very personal stuff that everyone can read and make their own opinion about, is uncomfortable to me. That’s why I try to stay more “vague” possible. By the way, I’m definitely going to do the exercise you suggested
February 29, 2020 at 8:48 am #340666Anonymous
GuestDear Gaia:
So you are going to do the exercise, excellent! Regarding feeling uncomfortable it being a public thread, worrying about other people’s opinions about you- why does it matter. I mean, it is you and I who are communicating and have been communicating for so long. You can trust me to not use your words against you.
You wrote last year (same quote above): “there’s no means I can express my emotional storms.. with someone that either understands or can be trustworthy”-
– I understand (and if I don’t, I ask question, and/ or you can correct my understanding) and I am trustworthy!
So go ahead.
anita
March 2, 2020 at 12:48 pm #340956Gaia
ParticipantDear Anita
Soon I’ll type here some unfiltered vents I’m writing on a personal journal
In the meantime I’ve found an interesting analogy to describe how I feel about myself, my life story and personal development: a plant, more specifically a climbing plant that keep going up and growing “randomly”, without stable supports or surfaces to lean on it naturally needs. Think of a climbing ivy, it needs to lean, twist and wind around something else, a stake, a gate, gratings, to keep growing and live. Well, I am that climbing ivy who gets bigger and longer but around my ground there’s nothing to lean on, I just keep growing “randomly”
March 2, 2020 at 1:44 pm #340964Anonymous
GuestDear Gaia:
I like your analogy very much, I am impressed by how well you expressed yourself using this analogy. “growing ‘randomly'”- quite profound.
I used to make up rules for myself, “to lean on”, rules of behavior. It helped somewhat, to keep going by a set of to-do and to-not-do rules.
A quality psychotherapist would be an excellent support for the Ivy that you are, guiding your growth. I suppose a healthy home is the place for ivy children to grow, and a foundation for the growth. Unfortunately too many of us don’t have that early- life foundation.
anita
March 2, 2020 at 3:13 pm #340980Gaia
ParticipantDear Anita
What my ivy needs is something happening, experiences. People. Jobs. Skills. Break ups. Travels. Deaths. Accomplishments. Friends. Enemies. Lovers. Fights. Passions. Departures. Responsabilities. Whatever makes you you. My younger self tried to make up for the lack of these things by settling rules and identities, anything that could turn me into something but now I know it’s not enough. I believe I could do all the most excellent psychotherapy on the world if I had to be blessed to find it, but psychotherapy will never fulfill the holes that yours and days of surfing on the internet have left in me. Not only, at least
March 2, 2020 at 3:17 pm #340982Gaia
ParticipantTo use another analogy, I’m still like a newborn baby approaching life and the environment for the first time. My skin is very delicate, and so my eyes, my movements suck and my brain can’t process in depth or smoothly what happens around. Except that I’m not a toddler but a 21 years old
March 2, 2020 at 3:20 pm #340984Anonymous
GuestDear Gaia:
I don’t understand this sentence in your recent post: “psychotherapy will never fulfill the holes that yours and days of surfing on the internet have left in me”-
-do you mean that this website/ your communication with me has left you with holes?
anita
March 3, 2020 at 12:35 am #341066Gaia
ParticipantOops error in typing
I meant “hours and days”, not “yours and days”
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March 3, 2020 at 12:38 am #341070Gaia
ParticipantAnd btw I can safely say that speaking with you has been one of the few internet activities actually helpful or useful so I would never say that it has left “holes”
March 3, 2020 at 6:46 am #341096Anonymous
GuestDear Gaia:
Thank you for explaining this to me and for stating what you did in your most recent post. I feel much better (I felt.. using your word in the past, sh**** before). What a difference a single letter typo can make.
Back to your analogies: an Ivy, Gaia the Ivy Plant, climbing/ growing randomly, without supportive surfaces to grow by, to lean on. This is you growing up alone. Your use of this analogy clearly shows that you grew up alone in your home, without support and without anyone to lean on. So Gaia the Ivy Plant “twist and wind around something else.. to keep growing and live”.
Remember what I wrote to you four days ago, referring to you writing that you “reached a wall, a closed off road”- similar to the ivy plant reaching a closed off surface, nowhere to keep growing, randomly. What I wrote to you was that Fantasy is one way to go around a wall and Reality is another way, seeing reality as it is. See, Gaia, really see the reality that you grew up alone in your home, even though there were other people there, you were alone. You had no support and no one to lean on.
You may ask yourself (?) why am I repeating this, why am I rubbing it in, am I trying to make you feel bad? No is my answer. Please pay attention: when I faced my reality, in an emotional way, my mental health improved a whole lot. So I want your mental health to improve a whole lot as well. This is why I am repeating this and suggesting it.
There is a difference between saying: I grew up alone and feeling it. When you feel it and believe it, you look differently at the people in your home and you end your loyalty to the people who were not there for you. When you end such loyalty, you will be able to see yourself in a different way. You will look at yourself and to your surprise, you will see someone you didn’t see before.
Please don’t read the above just once and forget about it. It is very Big, if you get it, once you get it, and getting it is a gradual process, where you get it more one day, and then more a week after, and so forth.
In your post after, you wrote that “what my ivy needs is something happening, experiences. People. Jobs. Skills. Break ups…” Yes, you need new experiences, but I know that you have this cringing, repeating thought that you have been wasting your youth, that it is terrible that you didn’t yet have a relationship with a man, and so forth. I want to tell you the following in this regard: true to me and I’ve seen it in others: new experiences, living-life, does not change people. So let’s say you do travel and so forth, after the High of the experience, you will return to the cringe and regret, and you will think that you need more experience because there is so much that was wasted. But it will never be enough, and eventually, let’s say you are rich and you travel the world and have affairs and whatnot, eventually, you get up one day and say to yourself: why am I doing this.. I feel nothing. (I imagine that’s what Robin Williams and Anthony Bourdain figured, that their life full of travels, and fame, full of action, was not worth living another day).
The reason you feel so badly about wasting your youth is not because you haven’t traveled and experienced relationships with men and so forth. The reason is not what didn’t happen. The reason is what did happen. And what happened, going back to the ivy, is that you grew up alone, without support, without guidance, with no one to lean on.
Accept this reality on the emotional level, bit by bit, over time and you will be so much better for it.
Regarding the “hours and days of surfing the internet”, and speaking to me being “one of the few internet activities actually helpful or useful”- I suggest that you stop the unhelpful and un-useful internet activities and do only the useful and helpful internet activities. You value your time this way, and your time should be valued.
And to your newborn baby analogy, another good analogy- being a newborn at 21- don’t hate that 21 year old newborn. She grew randomly because she was alone. A child needs support/ a parent to lean on in order to grow up. It is not an option: a child can not grow up without emotional support (or with too much negative emotional input).
Put it in yet more words: a child whose mother is hysterical, negatively overly dramatic, crazy… grows randomly. The child doesn’t grow up, but here and there and to the sides, twisting here and there.
Not your fault, Gaia. See the fault where it Really is, and you will be able to feel compassion for yourself. Self compassion is a necessary ingredient in mental health.
anita
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