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  • #427526
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Jus:

    I read your original post attentively. You read like an honest, straightforward person; he reads like a wishy-washy person who sometimes tells you the truth, at other times, he doesn’t. Reads like he never told you the whole truth at any one time. Seems to me that this is his faulty character, sadly.

    I wouldn’t contact him if I was you until and unless (like you told him), he arrives- in action, not in words- to your city to meet you in-person.

    anita

    #427531
    Roberta
    Participant

    Dear Jus

    When a person has a bad/unsympathetic manager it really is a nail biting time. My son had a particularly bad one, he asked for an morning shift so that he could see my mother as she was in his city for biopsies – manager refused saying not a family emergency and she was only his grandmother ( it was the last chance to see her, she died 6 weeks later).  She also made him cancel his doctors appointments and then blamed him for going off sick.

    If you are trying to find a new job you may also need that person to give you a good reference so you need to keep them on side.

    Your friend maybe wishy washy, but as long as you are not being asked to help financially, whats wrong with giving them  a small portion of your on line time? You do not have to be emotionally or romantically involved to be a good listener.

    Kind regards

    Roberta

     

    #427533
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Jus:

    I wanted to reply to you today at greater length (I am using the boldface and italic feature in the following quotes):

    “From the beginning, I am the one, who has cared and pushed more about a meeting in person. He used to have some not-so-convincing excuses to delay our meeting – like that he miscalculated his vacation days at work, and he ran out of them… I felt a bit let down…. We talked that day long, because he saw I got upset… In the next few days, we were supposed to agree on the date of the meeting, and then he told me about bad relations with his manager and new workplace issues, saying that it now endangers getting the day off at work (that he needs to take, to come over for a weekend). He seemed angry at his manager and willing to engage in a ‘war’ with them… he told me new excuses (as perceived by me) about wanting to choose later date, because of cheaper tickets. Eventually he said he asked at work for a day off, but he was refused… I felt severely disappointed – again, the same. I said that he broke his promise about meeting”-

    – it seems like he has been truly unhappy in his workplace and that he truly considered/ considers relocating, but it seems to me that he lied in regard to most, if not all of his excuses, particularly the one right before last: he knew that you were emotionally invested in meeting him in-person for a long time, that you were disappointed and upset (angry) with him about not making such meeting possible, so to deflect your anger away from him, he went to war with his manager in the context of talking to you.

    His message to you was something like this: don’t get angry with me, I really want to meet you in-person, but my manager (my enemy, our enemy) is making it impossible for me and you to meet: get angry with our mutual enemy, not with me!

    “But now I have afterthoughts. I left him in those workplace troubles I know he has for sure (he had been mentioning his struggles at work earlier, before we started arranging the meeting), and as he confessed about his struggles, he deserves a helping hand. Also, I sense his fear about meeting may be the true reason (but he hasn’t admitted it). I feel guilty. But on the other hand, I know that if I forgive, without even hearing ‘sorry’ from him, I put myself in the position of someone, who allows bad treatment. It’s not been the first time, and he never said sorry’. Please help. Am I doing the right or wrong thing? How the situation looks like from the perspective of an observer? I am lost.”-

    – his bad treatment of you consists of him repeatedly lying to you, and knowing that you have been your emotional investment in him (in a real-life relationship) for more than a year, he fed your investment, didn’t interrupt it, and didn’t tell you the truth for the whole time!

    His lies (excuses) are clear, but what is the truth that he didn’t- but should have told you? Seems to me that his truth is that he is not interested in a real-life relationship with you.

    I don’t think that there is a valid reason for your guilt. I think that the right thing for you to do is to grieve your hopes and dreams in regard to this man. I am sorry for your hurt…

    anita

    #427537
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Dear Anita:

    I am thinking deeply of your reply. Thank you for breaking down the situation into single pieces and pointing out the aspects of lies. I have just forgotten about lies, to preserve my idealistic view of him and our relationship.

    #427538
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Dear Roberta:

    Thank you for your reply. I’m sorry about the story with your son’s manager. I know that sadness after such situations stay in us for long, if not forever.

    Thank you for pointing out the aspect that it may be another type of relationship rather than a romantic one.
    I’m grateful that I could safely share such personal matters.

    #427539
    Tommy
    Participant

    Sorry, I am not a woman so I do not see it from a woman’s point of view. You seems to be more invested into this relationship than just platonic. There has been no meeting and no face time? If you want to meet so badly as to cut him off unless he is on a plane to meet you then it must mean you want something more than friends?

    From the man’s point of view, he does not want to commit to a relationship that he is unsure of. Yes, platonic. Then as friends, the only demand should be to talk every so often as to keep in touch and up to date about life. But, if you are a woman then he might have feelings that he can not control. It makes him want to meet you. He may want to see if there is a possibility of more than friendship but he is not willing to be rejected. Putting pressure on him to be on a plane to go meet you, that is in a sense rejection. He will feel this. And depending upon how deeply he wants to meet you, he will make his decision.

    That song by Nicollete Larson, “Lotta Love”. It comes to my mind when I read your post. I hope you find what you’re looking for.

    #427546
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Jus:

    You are welcome. I hope that you learn from the experience, be wiser for it, and that you are feeling better. If it helps, you are welcome to share here your deep thoughts and I will attentively and respectfully reply to you.

    anita

    #427568
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Dear Tommy:

    Thank you for your reply. When I read your words, it actually feels as if he could say the same as well. Thanks for saying from a man’s perspective about relationships and rejection. I cannot not agree about the pressure. He told me about problems at work and I saw how stressed out and down he is because of it, and suddenly my reaction was to pressure him to take some immediate action. All that he said, it overwhelmed me.

    And I’m afraid this beautiful song catches the vibe of the situation.

    #427569
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Dear Anita:

    Thank you so much for good wishes and your thoughtful responses.

    #427570
    anita
    Participant

    You are very welcome, Jus!

    anita

    #427576
    Nikki
    Participant

    Dear Jus

    I am sorry you are going through this and I believe you are not being treated with the respect you deserve. I would suggest you read your own post and imagine that it was a close friend that wrote it. What would your advice to her be?

    Unfortunately, until you meet someone in person, you don’t really know who they are. And if someone is constantly putting off meeting you and making excuses, it is probably because they are not who you think they are…

    This person has caused you stress, disappointment, anger, frustration… and wasted a lot of your time. Time you could’ve spent engaging with more worthy people.

    If he really is who he says he is, and you are that important to him, he would find a way to get to you, and meet you. But I suspect he can’t, because he has been lying all along.

    If you engage with someone online, and develop feelings, make sure you facetime as soon as possible, and talk on the phone. If they don’t want to do that, there is a serious problem.

    I agree with one of the other responders, that he brought up the workplace situation to distract you from his lies. He sounds manipulative and selfish.

    Good luck and may you find someone who is worthy of you and the love and friendship you have to offer.

     

     

    #427645
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Dear Nikki:

    Thank you for your reply.

    It is priceless to see things from new angles, although, yes, it is quite sad, too. I cannot not agree with the part about the motivation: “If he really is who he says he is, and you are that important to him, he would find a way to get to you.”

    Thank you for the good wishes!

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