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  • #232475
    Zeeza
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    Curious I observe two things, First setting a boundary around Christmas time ( sounds like you are cool with her bonds but don’t want to share the same relationships on a holiday). Perhaps suggest she spends half the day with you (like the morning), and you can do your Christmas dinner with your family and she can make a choice that works best for her (with you or with her chosen family bonds).

    Secondly, the energy around communication of addressing wants/needs and sharing perspectives. It is hard work in a relationship to communicate what one would like from the other. Sometimes a person can be uncertain or lack a skill to communicate but a person’s character is revealed during this conflict resolution. Do they try to self-soothe take time apart and then respectfully address things? Or do they attack you with guilt to give in to what they want or use silence as a weapon?

    Because love teaches us what direction of growth we have to let more love in. Learning how to improve communication is easier when both parties are trying to build one another up instead of tearing each other apart in the frustration.

    I hope you can find some time for self-care and rest. Best of luck to you and your positive choices 🙂

    #232481
    saskia
    Participant

    Thank you for your response.

    I guess I didn’t make it clear that I would have to travel to see my parents so my choice is spend it fully with them or spend a day alone waiting for her.

    Neither of us tears each other down when we communicate. We are pretty good at talking things through but for some reason I still feel incredibly hurt and frustrated at this one.

    #232547
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear saskia

    What about you spending Christmas, all of it, with her, her in-laws and ex- is this a possibility that anyone brought up?

    anita

    #232571
    saskia
    Participant

    Sadly no, we’re definitely not ‘there’ yet.  I haven’t even met her ex, though she knows about me.  In any case, I would have to be invited, and I have’t been.

    I am coming to the conclusion that my gf is just not ready for a relationship.  I now realise that many people who are in fact not ready can actually feel they really want relationships.

    Thank you!

    #232585
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear saskia:

    You are welcome. I agree that “many people who are in fact not ready can actually feel they really want relationships”.

    You wrote that she is happy to use the label partner, in the context of her relationship with you. Well, she has a limited definition of partner according to this thread and the one before it, where she continued to be active on the dating site after she took on said label.

    You read like a reasonable, sensible, fair person. I hope you will soon find yourself with a partner of a wider definition of partnership, one that includes spending all of Christmas together,  you being her first priority.

    anita

    #232595
    saskia
    Participant

    Wow Anita good memory (or I’m sure it came up in my profile)!  It was only when I was half way through this post that I remembered I had posted about her here before. Yeah I ‘won’ the dating site thing in the end.  It was utter naivety on her part. There have been a few other situations where I’ve wondered if we come from separate planets.

    She believed that because her intentions are always good (and they are), that hurt can’t be caused.  I feel like I’m educating her at times, it’s hard work and quite frankly not my job.

    Don’t get me wrong, she has brought me great things.  I wouldn’t be at my current level of self-understanding if it wasn’t for dealing with the feelings and challenges our relationship has brought.  It has been rich in many ways and we have had good times.

    She isn’t ready.  She isn’t free.  Yet she is the one who introduced the label of partner.  She is the one who made us ‘exclusive’. So tiring.

    She told me once she ‘can’t function’ without someone romantically involved in her life.  That’s unhealthy.  She has barely ever been single in her life.  I think she needs to be, whether she likes it or not.

    She is showing some self-awareness; it’s ever so slow but it’s there.  I need to step out of the ‘partner’ role while it develops.

    I care deeply for her and want more than anything in this for us both to be happy and healthy.  I am confident I can take care of myself in those respects.  I want to see her free and functioning and blossoming.  I am getting to the point where I feel I am just enabling her if the status quo remains the same.

    I hope I don’t sound patronising of her.  I bring my own issues to the table for sure but feel I have a reasonable toolbox to deal with them, even if I make mistakes sometimes, and I do.

    I’m going to talk to her this week.

    p.s. It’s not so much Christmas itself that’s the issue.  We’ve been together just shy of a year, I can be apart from her on Christmas day, but it’s the ex in-laws habit, the expectation that I would wait around until she could squeeze me in.  I have done something very ‘un-me’ and confided in friends about this today.  Both were utterly shocked and thought it was unacceptable.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 6 months ago by saskia.
    #232607
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Saskia:

    Again, you do read to me like a reasonable, sensible and fair person. You also read like a person who is aware, sees the bigger picture. I think that it is convenient for her to do this or that so she does it and sometimes she comes up with an after thought that assumes a good intention. Maybe she is not as naïve as you think, that is, she may not be a deep thinker, but she is selfish nonetheless.

    anita

    #232613
    saskia
    Participant

    I know how it reads.  I don’t know.  She can be vague and fudgy and I hate it. Very very avoidant of her own issues, until now. She’s an oddly sheltered person, for someone who’s done a lot, lived in many countries and is pretty educated.  Maybe that’s what comes from holing yourself up in your room.  Once, she asked me what Chinese food was like.  Another time, she couldn’t understand why it might be considered unsafe to walk in parks after dark.  A couple of the quirky ‘other planet’ moments.

    Ah.  I’m being judgy.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 6 months ago by saskia.
    #232617
    saskia
    Participant

    I accidentally reported my own post!

    #232619
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear saskia:

    Are you saying that her thinking is faulty to the extent of her being unknowingly selfish, that is, not being able to understand what you need, or to see what you need as something of value, that needs to be considered?

    anita

     

    #232621
    saskia
    Participant

    A bit of both…depends on the occasion.

    It’s tiring.

    I’m not perfect myself either.

    Thank you Anita…

    #232625
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear saskia:

    You are welcome. I understand that you are not perfect. Of course you are not- no  one is. But you deserve better than a tiring, exhausting relationship. How refreshing it would be for you to have a different relationship, one where there is a meeting of the minds and hearts,  one in which you will not have a job, to educate and explain again and again.

    Time to quit the educator job. Time to let her go, I am thinking. I will soon be away from the computer for about fifteen hours. Whenever you post, I will reply. I hope you rest.

    anita

    #232629
    saskia
    Participant

    Thank you Anita.  I will write more as it develops more.  You are right.

    All the best

    #232645
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Thank you, saskia. Looking forward to read from you again.

    anita

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