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October 21, 2018 at 9:23 pm #232469saskiaParticipant
I have been in a relationship with a woman for ten months (I am a woman).
She is my 2nd serious girlfriend since coming out in my mid-30s, 4 years ago.
She is separated (but not divorced) from her previous spouse.
I find myself very self-protective in this relationship. She is a good person but quite frankly I feel that she is emotionally and practically not ready for a serious relationship. On the occasions when I have voiced these concerns, and stated that I don’t think I can go on with her, she has begged me to stay. I think she knows she is not ready but does not want to be alone. My concerns are around the many limitations we have in the relationship, all connected to her behaviour and habits: financial limitations tied in with last relationship (property), food habits (unhealthy, erratic, meals together are difficult), staying at home a lot, not being able to make plans, being vague, having barely met my friends, incredibly frustrating communication issues like sometimes I wonder if we are from different planets! (She is also kind, pleasant, interesting, intelligent, attractive and loving. I don’t worry about ‘big things’ like her cheating for example.) I get so frustrated sometimes I just want to cut loose. I feel I can’t let my love flow because I am always on guard for the next disappointment/frustration/upset.
Recently things had been getting better and yesterday we spent some very loving time together. Emboldened by this pink glow, I asked her if she would consider spending this Christmas together, as it looked like we’d both be in town and alone (I thought). She told me she would be spending Christmas with her in-laws (and by default that means ex too) as she always does. (2 or 3 Christmases have passed since their separation – this hasn’t changed?!). She is very attached to her in-laws as they serve as a substitute family (she comes from another country), which I respect. But I was pretty shocked to discover they still do Christmas together. She said she might be able to spend some time with me but it would be in the evening – she would ‘have to see what they had planned’ and it ‘might go on quite late’. Naturally I was upset. I asked her gently but firmly if she would consider spending most of the day with me as a priority, as I am her partner (a label she is very happy to use). She said no, but reiterated that she would spend some of the day with me and she didn’t like talk of ‘priorities’ at such a delicate time as Christmas.
I have to emphasise I have NO problem with her relationship with her in-laws, even her ex. They all seem to get along well and honestly, it isn’t something I dwell on a lot. But CHRISTMAS DAY?!!
Now there is a whole part of me screaming GET OUT this is ridiculous! This is my black-and-white ‘you go girl and don’t take any shit’ kind of championing attitude.
And another part of me, the soul searcher meditator who has been working on being less black and white, aiming to occupy the messy middle in life, to allow things to unfold feels…hey it’s our first Christmas, we haven’t even been together a year yet, it’s far too soon, I just wanted to play at ‘grown up Christmas’ – why should she have to indulge that?
I have the option to spend it with my parents but we have a strained relationship. I had really hoped I might spend it with my partner this year, for once, finally, at 38, spend it not with my parents.
You know, it’s not so much Christmas itself, it’s the whole hurtfulness of it all. She has a concrete invitation from me and not anything from them yet. But she can’t accept mine because of what they usually do. and yeah they mean a lot to her. But don’t I?
Do I have to leave? I’m tired…
October 21, 2018 at 10:13 pm #232475ZeezaParticipantCurious I observe two things, First setting a boundary around Christmas time ( sounds like you are cool with her bonds but don’t want to share the same relationships on a holiday). Perhaps suggest she spends half the day with you (like the morning), and you can do your Christmas dinner with your family and she can make a choice that works best for her (with you or with her chosen family bonds).
Secondly, the energy around communication of addressing wants/needs and sharing perspectives. It is hard work in a relationship to communicate what one would like from the other. Sometimes a person can be uncertain or lack a skill to communicate but a person’s character is revealed during this conflict resolution. Do they try to self-soothe take time apart and then respectfully address things? Or do they attack you with guilt to give in to what they want or use silence as a weapon?
Because love teaches us what direction of growth we have to let more love in. Learning how to improve communication is easier when both parties are trying to build one another up instead of tearing each other apart in the frustration.
I hope you can find some time for self-care and rest. Best of luck to you and your positive choices 🙂
October 22, 2018 at 1:16 am #232481saskiaParticipantThank you for your response.
I guess I didn’t make it clear that I would have to travel to see my parents so my choice is spend it fully with them or spend a day alone waiting for her.
Neither of us tears each other down when we communicate. We are pretty good at talking things through but for some reason I still feel incredibly hurt and frustrated at this one.
October 22, 2018 at 8:33 am #232547AnonymousGuestDear saskia
What about you spending Christmas, all of it, with her, her in-laws and ex- is this a possibility that anyone brought up?
anita
October 22, 2018 at 10:18 am #232571saskiaParticipantSadly no, we’re definitely not ‘there’ yet. I haven’t even met her ex, though she knows about me. In any case, I would have to be invited, and I have’t been.
I am coming to the conclusion that my gf is just not ready for a relationship. I now realise that many people who are in fact not ready can actually feel they really want relationships.
Thank you!
October 22, 2018 at 11:31 am #232585AnonymousGuestDear saskia:
You are welcome. I agree that “many people who are in fact not ready can actually feel they really want relationships”.
You wrote that she is happy to use the label partner, in the context of her relationship with you. Well, she has a limited definition of partner according to this thread and the one before it, where she continued to be active on the dating site after she took on said label.
You read like a reasonable, sensible, fair person. I hope you will soon find yourself with a partner of a wider definition of partnership, one that includes spending all of Christmas together, you being her first priority.
anita
October 22, 2018 at 11:48 am #232595saskiaParticipantWow Anita good memory (or I’m sure it came up in my profile)! It was only when I was half way through this post that I remembered I had posted about her here before. Yeah I ‘won’ the dating site thing in the end. It was utter naivety on her part. There have been a few other situations where I’ve wondered if we come from separate planets.
She believed that because her intentions are always good (and they are), that hurt can’t be caused. I feel like I’m educating her at times, it’s hard work and quite frankly not my job.
Don’t get me wrong, she has brought me great things. I wouldn’t be at my current level of self-understanding if it wasn’t for dealing with the feelings and challenges our relationship has brought. It has been rich in many ways and we have had good times.
She isn’t ready. She isn’t free. Yet she is the one who introduced the label of partner. She is the one who made us ‘exclusive’. So tiring.
She told me once she ‘can’t function’ without someone romantically involved in her life. That’s unhealthy. She has barely ever been single in her life. I think she needs to be, whether she likes it or not.
She is showing some self-awareness; it’s ever so slow but it’s there. I need to step out of the ‘partner’ role while it develops.
I care deeply for her and want more than anything in this for us both to be happy and healthy. I am confident I can take care of myself in those respects. I want to see her free and functioning and blossoming. I am getting to the point where I feel I am just enabling her if the status quo remains the same.
I hope I don’t sound patronising of her. I bring my own issues to the table for sure but feel I have a reasonable toolbox to deal with them, even if I make mistakes sometimes, and I do.
I’m going to talk to her this week.
p.s. It’s not so much Christmas itself that’s the issue. We’ve been together just shy of a year, I can be apart from her on Christmas day, but it’s the ex in-laws habit, the expectation that I would wait around until she could squeeze me in. I have done something very ‘un-me’ and confided in friends about this today. Both were utterly shocked and thought it was unacceptable.
- This reply was modified 6 years, 2 months ago by saskia.
October 22, 2018 at 12:10 pm #232607AnonymousGuestDear Saskia:
Again, you do read to me like a reasonable, sensible and fair person. You also read like a person who is aware, sees the bigger picture. I think that it is convenient for her to do this or that so she does it and sometimes she comes up with an after thought that assumes a good intention. Maybe she is not as naïve as you think, that is, she may not be a deep thinker, but she is selfish nonetheless.
anita
October 22, 2018 at 12:21 pm #232613saskiaParticipantI know how it reads. I don’t know. She can be vague and fudgy and I hate it. Very very avoidant of her own issues, until now. She’s an oddly sheltered person, for someone who’s done a lot, lived in many countries and is pretty educated. Maybe that’s what comes from holing yourself up in your room. Once, she asked me what Chinese food was like. Another time, she couldn’t understand why it might be considered unsafe to walk in parks after dark. A couple of the quirky ‘other planet’ moments.
Ah. I’m being judgy.
- This reply was modified 6 years, 2 months ago by saskia.
October 22, 2018 at 12:30 pm #232617saskiaParticipantI accidentally reported my own post!
October 22, 2018 at 12:30 pm #232619AnonymousGuestDear saskia:
Are you saying that her thinking is faulty to the extent of her being unknowingly selfish, that is, not being able to understand what you need, or to see what you need as something of value, that needs to be considered?
anita
October 22, 2018 at 12:32 pm #232621saskiaParticipantA bit of both…depends on the occasion.
It’s tiring.
I’m not perfect myself either.
Thank you Anita…
October 22, 2018 at 12:47 pm #232625AnonymousGuestDear saskia:
You are welcome. I understand that you are not perfect. Of course you are not- no one is. But you deserve better than a tiring, exhausting relationship. How refreshing it would be for you to have a different relationship, one where there is a meeting of the minds and hearts, one in which you will not have a job, to educate and explain again and again.
Time to quit the educator job. Time to let her go, I am thinking. I will soon be away from the computer for about fifteen hours. Whenever you post, I will reply. I hope you rest.
anita
October 22, 2018 at 1:03 pm #232629saskiaParticipantThank you Anita. I will write more as it develops more. You are right.
All the best
October 22, 2018 at 1:32 pm #232645AnonymousGuestThank you, saskia. Looking forward to read from you again.
anita
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