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  • #452532
    anita
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    Thank you, Gerard!

    I am sitting at the winery right now, by the pellet stove, warm, although my fingers are very cold because I came back from the outside a short time ago, having collected things from the inside, papers, cards, memories and placed them in a garbage back in the back of the pickup truck. Tomorrow is the day when ownership is officially transferred. Sitting here drinking.. guess what? (wine, lol)

    So, you too love yourself more in your 50s and 60s so far- that’s wonderful!

    “Key is human interactions_ exactly! A big-time key, so very essential.

    Looking forward to reading your next reflections.

    🤍 Anita

    #452533
    anita
    Participant

    * I just noticed, Gerald, that my earlier reply to you was reported for inappropriate content.. any idea about it?

    #452571
    Engineer101
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    I saw that someone reported it …..very strange , indeed.
    Nothing inappropriate, so nothing to worry about

    #452579
    anita
    Participant

    Thank you, Gerard!

    #452654
    Engineer101
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    I read that you are very, very depressed these days ….this is understandable, as you are going through so much change, a sale of a place that was a significant part of your life disturbs your energy, emotional issues that were sorted years ago suddenly return, to be emotionally processed again. Also, you have a future that will be different. This is the human condition, in time the dust will settle.

    Last night I was out socially with a friend, on Wednesday his wife of 27 years left him, no warning ⚠️ sign, no explanation, just “this marriage no longer works for me” . He was an emotional 😭 wreck, his simple question was “why?” , I believe unfortunately that he will never get a satisfactory answer to his question, he will spend many years, if not the rest of his life trying to figure this out .

    Remember, you are not alone ….

    #452661
    anita
    Participant

    Thank you Gerard for noticing what I shared in other threads and for caring to offer me comfort, much appreciated 🙏

    I am sorry for your friend’s loss. I figure it gives him comfort knowing he is not alone (he has a friend in you), and thank you for reminding me that I too am not alone.

    🤍 Anita

    #452744
    Engineer101
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    Anita
    Hope you are feeling better , day by day.

    As you know , I am reflecting on my career and life as I near retirement .
    I am reflecting on 6 months every week, capturing in writing my memories and feelings from these months.

    The bigger impact , for me anyway , are romantic relationships.
    As you know from my writings here, I have had 3 relationships that resonate. The girl from my late teens, the woman I was dating before I ended it when I met my wife to be.

    The first two relationships were straight forward to write about, they have a beginning and end, ended a long, long time ago, so I see the full picture and context.

    I am now reflecting on the first 6 months with the lady I would marry and be with for over 35 years , and still counting. OMG, it is hard to write my deep feelings from these months as I can see how they impacted my whole life and define my life today. I see how my wife’s strengths enriched my life, I see her little quirks that annoyed me then, and still do today …..I see my own driven nature,and see how it played out, driving to build a secure home for our family but with the cost of stress and undermining the relationship at times. Every paragraph I write about these 6 months , has me thinking about my life today. I see my poor communication skills, as I don’t want to offend. Also, people that were important and have passed on over the decades, like our parents, I feel the loss again.

    In summary, what started as a life reflection is becoming hard, as reflection is very powerful, emotions and feelings from times long gone become very real again.

    A bit of me is beginning to question if this is a heathy reflection exercise ?

    Gerard.

    #452746
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Gerard:

    Thank you!

    As I read your today’s message, the term Limerence occurred to me for the first time in regard to you. I wonder if this will resonate with you to one extent or another, partly or fully, in regard to your long-gone relationships:

    (Online): “Limerence is an involuntary state of intense romantic infatuation, marked by obsessive thoughts, longing for reciprocation, and emotional dependency on another person. It feels overwhelming, often ecstatic and anxious at the same time, and is usually one‑sided… The person of focus is called the “limerent object” (LO).

    “Unlike ordinary attraction, limerence is driven by uncertainty: Does this person feel the same way?

    “Key Features- * Intrusive thoughts: Constant, involuntary thinking about the LO. * Idealization: Irrationally positive evaluation of their qualities, overlooking flaws. * Emotional dependency: Mood swings based on perceived signs of reciprocation. * Longing for reciprocation: The central desire is not just to love, but to be loved back. * Physical/emotional intensity: Can feel euphoric when hopeful, or deeply distressed when uncertain…

    “Everyday Example- Someone might develop limerence for a person from their past, a colleague, or even someone they barely know. They replay interactions endlessly..”-

    It says right there: “a person from their past”.

    What do you think, Gerard?

    Anita

    #452752
    Engineer101
    Participant

    Anita
    Yes, may be some Limerence , will a small “l”.
    I believe it is more a reflection on a life well lived as I prepare for retirement , a new start as I step out of my old life . The real drive is to find new meaning and purpose in retirement.

    Also, I feel my marriage is in a new chapter , where the level of mutual understanding transcends the highs and lows of a life together , forming a comfort that is wonderful.

    I am a deep thinker , I consider and reflect , seeking meaning and understanding . I know I am becoming spiritual. First, seeking to understand my life, who know where it will lead me .

    Gerard

    #452756
    Engineer101
    Participant

    Interesting explanation below : this does not match how I current feel as I reflect on life

    “Limerance” is a term invented from whole cloth by Dorothy Tennov in the late 1970s, intended to express her theory of how attraction and romance work. Hence, it means whatever she wanted it to mean, as it was literally just something she made up.

    As she originally used it, it simply refers to the emotional (and, secondarily, psychological/physiological) behaviors associated with “falling in love” or feeling as though one is in love. In her usage, it seems to be not a whole lot more than a synonym for infatuation, the “over the moon” feeling of being romantically attracted to another person.

    Later authors seem to have expanded this into something actually pretty terrible, though there doesn’t seem to be a clear consensus. That is, some refer to it as outright destructive and dangerous, an addiction, a form of narcissism, something insidious and even corrupting. And then others refer to it as being the “honeymoon” phase, which generally gives way to a different, more long-term-stable connection. Still others see it as an extreme version of the same sort of thing as the honeymoon phase, as though there were a spectrum and the term refers to the stronger (but not strongest) forms.

    So.Anita.. it’s difficult to answer your question, because the term isn’t used in a consistent way in the examples I have access to.

    It would seem, however, that most folks agree that what is usually meant by the term “love”—a long-term pair-bonding commitment between two people—is not really what limerance is, just as infatuation isn’t love, though it can be part of the initial growth of love proper. Some people will feel limerance (or a lesser, healthier version, if you stand with those who consider all limerance unhealthy) at the start of a healthy relationship, but that feeling will fade over time as the “falling-in-love” feeling is slowly replaced. Others will never feel it, but still grow to love a partner, while some will feel it and then fail to develop “love” proper, and thus their connection to the object of their affections will fade or break.

    Certainly, most seem to agree that being permanently in “limerence” is a bad thing, while actually loving someone permanently would not be unhealthy in general

    #452757
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Gerard:

    A limerence with a small “l”, funny, the way you say it.

    “The real drive is to find new meaning and purpose in retirement… I am a deep thinker, I consider and reflect , seeking meaning and understanding. I know I am becoming spiritual. First, seeking to understand my life, who know where it will lead me”- I am curious as to where your deep thinking and growing spirituality will be leading you.

    Would love to continue to witness the process..!!!

    Anita

    #452758
    anita
    Participant

    Double posting, Gerard. I will read and reply to your 2nd recent post in a few hours 😊

    #452765
    anita
    Participant

    My goodness, Gerard, you are a deep thinker indeed, and you’ve done a lot of research on limerence in only an hour, I’m impressed!

    So the thinking and feeling about old loves.. is about you longing for youth..? Or missed opportunities, a desire to redo the past?

    🤍 Anita

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