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January 3, 2017 at 9:23 am #124425AnonymousGuest
Dear blkhwkdwn1:
Exciting for me! Again, I am encouraged by your courage (notice there is “courage” in “encouraged”- courage is catching). I am fully aware of the power of fear, so I know this is and will be difficult for you, to be over there alone, this time. And it may be awkward, and you may be disappointed, so please be very gentle with yourself, with your performance while you are there. Don’t beat yourself up for anything but instead, congratulate yourself for going this far.
We can make real, long term, lasting progress only one way- slowly, one step at a time, and you are doing it. Don’t expect much of a “performance”. Pay attention to how you feel, say calming things to yourself, be good to yourself throughout and let me know your thoughts and feelings before and after.
anita
January 3, 2017 at 4:38 pm #124448AnonymousInactiveI’m leaving in about 20 minutes, had to get my mind off things so I went playing some video games for a few hours. I probably wont be too nervous, I’ve been there by myself before giving her the gift or when I was at her mall I went in for a quick drop in to say hey. If she’s working i’ll drop in again with my work buddy. I probably should have shaved, I look like i’m Amish with my beard and shaved head and she’s not a fan of a non trimmed beard.
January 3, 2017 at 5:49 pm #124450AnonymousGuestDear blkhwkdwn1:
One of the things I like about you is that as great your interest in her, you are not eager to please, as in shaving your beard because she prefer it that way. You are your own man.
One hour since you posted, I wonder how you are doing, what you are doing right now…
anita
January 3, 2017 at 6:57 pm #124456AnonymousInactiveIt sucked, barely talked to her and I was completely depressed on the verge of crying again.
January 3, 2017 at 7:35 pm #124458AnonymousInactiveI never showed I was depressed, but I pretty much did not look anywhere. She said she loved the gift and uses it everyday, showed her dad and he liked it. She said she’s never got a mug with her name on it and that it’s not too small and not too but but just right, also full time vegan since Jan 1st but has no resolutions just like me. Did not talk very much, I left and didn’t say bye or gave a hug as she was on the phone, I also just wanted to get out asap.
January 3, 2017 at 8:24 pm #124459AnonymousGuestDear blkhwkdwn1:
I posted to you earlier today (above): ” it may be awkward, and you may be disappointed, so please be very gentle with yourself, with your performance while you are there. Don’t beat yourself up for anything but instead, congratulate yourself for going this far.”
So I am not surprised and not disappointed. Please be gentle with yourself, as I suggested above. Congratulate yourself for going there alone. You did well, says I!
anita
January 3, 2017 at 8:30 pm #124461AnonymousInactiveI’m going back tomorrow with a work buddy, she smiled at that. Maybe it will be less busy, probably not. Only way to really talk to her is coffee and asking if she wants any company on her errands, the mountain. NOT looking forward to the day she moves…friendship will likely die.
January 3, 2017 at 8:34 pm #124465AnonymousGuestDear blkhwkdwn1:
Most important is for you, again, to be gentle with yourself, really! Place very little expectations for your performance and just show up, then congratulate yourself for just being there, and for every little step you take, regardless of performance. Treat yourself as if you were a child and encourage that child every time he does something positive in spite of his fear.
Bed time for me, back to the computer in 14 hours or so. Take good care of yourself, please!
anita
January 3, 2017 at 8:56 pm #124467AnonymousInactiveBtw she mentioned it’s nice going back to normal, she visit a lot of family and kinda happy it’s over now. Said no arguments so I gave a high 5 and she put her hand in a fist and hit my open palm. Never talked about her yoga, mountain, look for a new job, the pot of lamb, the leather bag, the anxiety, the person to see about her career, the high school, etc. Figured those are coffee conversations, and dunno if she wants to keep the vegan restaurant hush hush.
January 4, 2017 at 9:02 am #124494AnonymousGuestDear blkhwkdwn1:
She may want to keep the vegan restaurant plans secret from her employers at the current restaurant.
So I am not the only one (not surprised) glad the holidays are over!
Wonder what that fist was about, maybe she felt uncomfortable. Maybe a high 5 is not her thing, I don’t know. Maybe it is the context, you giving her a high 5 for her family not having arguments-
— maybe even though they didn’t have arguments, it was uncomfortable for her, there was tension in the air, and this is why she is glad the holidays are over… and she didn’t feel like the tension in the air was something to celebrate with a high five.
I would ask her questions, about her family, relationships, when you get the chance. We often assume but are wrong in what we assume about others. Asking, therefore, will clarify.
anita
January 4, 2017 at 11:58 am #124520AnonymousInactiveYeah that’s why I never mentioned it, just the full vegan thing. No you’re not the only one glad holidays are over, i’m also glad. Holidays always feel so fake to me! She never seemed uncomfortable to me, sometimes we do high 5’s, sometimes we do fist to fist so guess she felt like the fist. Sometimes she starts it, sometimes I start it. I used to do it quite often when we started talking, not so much anymore.
For a long time quite often I think back to that Sept 9th day last year…twas my best day of my life! a memory I never want to forget. A memory I wish I could relive again and again and again and again. Dad dropped me off near her work, I walked downtown where I was meeting her at starbucks, got there 10 minutes early and she was 10 minutes late due to traffic and she’s never one to be on time anyway, pretty much always late and arrives to work barely on time. Anyway she got there and went infront of me, saw some elderly were heading to the door so I opened the door for them and she had a huge smile on her face because she loves that thing about me opening the door open for people all the time, we get in line and order our pumpkin spice lattes, sit down and start talking (or chatting as she calls it), talk about her and i’m fully nervous..she’s wearing a nice green shirt, sandles, pants and looked amazing! had people staring. Then she talks to me about what the doctor is likely to talk about (first time talking to my doc about my suicidal thoughts), then we lose track of time…like normal! she can talk your head off!!! She looks at the time and says “yikes we gotta go”, get to her car and tells me she got her full license now! so high 5 time! race to get to the doctors, get there and about to head in.
I had a note I wanted to read to her but off the top of my head, so I did…and it said “I just want to say I appreciate you and our friendship” Then she had her arm around me as we walked side by side and said “i know Pat, I know”, then kept saying what I remembered “and all you’ve done for me and
anytime you need someone to talk to i’m always here for you even if it’s just a hug to brighten your day and show I care”, then she said “i know Pat, I know” while still having her arm around me. Was kinda annoyed a little she kept interrupting! i’m not good with my words or expressing my feelings. anyway then we are about to walk in side by side with our arms around eachother, I asked if we can go for a walk after and she said “sure” and we walked in, looked for where we were supposed to go and I went to the bathroom, came back, went into the doctors office with her. She sat down in the chair, I sat on the table and she wanted me to center myself and breathe, she did that herself aswell and I just kinda looked at her dunno what to do. We talked a little, then doctor came in and asked why I came in, then I kinda was slow at saying it and broke down a little and hand my hand covering my face, he pretty much knew right away what this was about then. Talked a little as much as I could get out, she was talking aswell.We left with my paper for the anti depressants, we got to her car and asked if we are still taking a walk? she said “sure”, we drove to the beach and she loved the look of it because it was all foggy. Found a place to park, both went to the bathroom that was outside, we both knocked on the walls but could not hear it, walked along the path telling me how I felt, I never really felt any different but said “relieved”, she said “this is rock bottom, we are going to get through this!”, on our way we saw something in the bushes near us so we investigated and it was a stuffed animal…monkey I think? then continued, saw a guy playing his music so I stopped to listen, so did she (another thing she liked about me at the time), she said something to the guy, then we head over to this secret staircase and head down it, jumped rock to rock along the beach on Dallas road there, found a place where she was at recently with all these hippies that were really welcoming and wanted to know about you, we found a place next to the water and sat down.
She was talking about some stuff, showing me yoga poses, listening to the waves crash into the rocks, she did some more yoga poses and sat next to me with her leg touching mine and i’m sure was looking at me as she does that with me in the past and other people but I was staring off into the ocean, eventually looked at her but she was looking at the distance. Asked if I liked it so much and would not mind if she left if I would stay, I said “naw i’d go too”, I just wanted to keep being around her! I was soooo infatuated with her at the time. Didn’t know jack about her compared to now, but there was no other place I wanted to be at that moment then with her. We got up to leave, got to the stairs again and I asked her i’ll beat her up the stairs (it was quite steep), she tried her best but I did it with ease 2 steps at a time, she got half way up and was tired and out of breath and she’s quite slim. Stood at another part of the stairs and she charged at me playing around, we were goofing off and just before we were about to head up the rest of the way she said “do you feel it?” and I am like “feel what?”, “the moment”, she was lost in the moment, asked if she could take my picture because of the moment, so I said sure but to not post it on FB, I hate people seeing my face…she said “oh no I wont, I promise”. It’s still on her phone that picture.
We head back to the car talking about her ex and what he’s gone through, see that guy playing his music so I stop as she keeps moving forward and I said it sounds awesome, she has the hugest smile on her face and we continue to her car and take the long way to loop around talking about stuff her ex has gone through, holistic healing and stuff. Get into the car and take off to drive me home, she has to see her daughter now. Talk about things on the way like if she wants to watch UFC with us, hanging out at a buddies gig, etc. She says yes to it all, drops me off and we hug. About an hour on my FB at the time I posted “it’s a great day!”, she liked it and posted “it’s a good day” on hers, I was the first to like and coment on it and said “No, a great day ;)”, she liked it asap. Text her later about a video I captured of a squirrel running around my feet all curious instead of running away, posted it on my FB aswell. She text me that she NEVER posts status updates on her FB, only shares stories (which is true), so she must have really loved that day with me! she also liked my video.
Anyway that’s it…in the month of Sept she text me more in that 1 month then pretty much the last 3 months combined, she slowly started texting less after that Nov 5th concert. It’s blown me away how little she wants to text me now, although she’s got a job now unlike back in Sept. It still saddens me how little I get now, it always put a smile on my face getting a text from her, even now. Now she just says she’s not much of a texter and finds it hard to text so she doesn’t.
January 4, 2017 at 12:39 pm #124521AnonymousGuestDear blkhwkdwn1:
Next September 9, 9-9-2017, the anniversary of that day, maybe you can relive that day, meet at Starbucks, have pumpkin spice lattes, go for that walk along the beach… just like you did that day. Catch another moment on her camera.
You wrote it was the best day of your life. Isn’t it amazing what it takes for a day to be the best: a woman with you, supporting you: promising to walk with you, literally and figuratively: “we are going to get through this!”
The word, WE are going to get through this, no longer you alone. This is the magic of that day, isn’t it? There was a WE, you and an honest, authentic, kind hearted woman who saw your pain and promised to walk with you.
The best day in your life was the day you were prescribed anti-depressants, because she was with you, because there was a “we” and a promise of a “we” to come.
I see why you care so much to hold her to her promise. I don’t think she broke her promise. I don’t think she did, for texting you less. She is beautiful, but so are you.
This is a most endearing post, precious, very much so.
anita
January 4, 2017 at 12:59 pm #124524AnonymousInactiveShe was there for me back then, not so much now. Maybe because I’ve not exactly been trying to improve myself? also has other obligations like her ex, her kids, her family, her job.
January 4, 2017 at 1:21 pm #124527AnonymousGuestDear blkhwkdwn1:
I know it doesn’t feel like enough, and it probably can’t feel like enough, no matter what. But she was there for you, on that day, more than anyone else has ever been for you on any one day, or any one week, or all the years of your life.
This is how I see it: your mother, father, may have done nice things for you over the years, but they have also done a lot of cruel things in between those nice things. Once a hand slaps your face too many time, drawing blood, inflicting pain, figuratively, literally, you can no longer feel love when that same hand, sometimes, caresses you. You shrink away, automatically.
But that one day with her, and all through your interactions with her, something miraculous took place: there was no slapping your face, no drawing blood, no inflicting pain. Only caressing.
It is a rarity when a person is only loving. No abuse in between. I understand you wish there was more love, and you are struggling to be okay with the not-enough-love, but that is the most you ever got, isn’t it?
anita
January 4, 2017 at 1:37 pm #124528AnonymousInactiveYeah it is, nobody has been like this to me before. And go figure she’s leaving. I’m definatly wishing I did a lot more with her over the months. I don’t go to her place and hug her to brighten her day, I don’t let her know more often if she’s feeling ok today, I don’t ask her if she wants the company when she does things, I don’t ask her if she wants to have a coffee once a month or more (once every 2 weeks would be swell, or once a week even better!), I don’t act more curious about what she’s doing, or even learn more about her. I’ve still yet to get her home number, I asked about it just before Xmas, and only had 1 dinner with her.
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