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March 25, 2022 at 8:32 pm #396204AnonymousGuest
Dear Laelithia:
You are very welcome and thank you for your kind words and appreciation! I read only a part of your recent post, will read the rest and reply Sat morning, in about 10 hours from now.
anita
March 26, 2022 at 8:58 am #396208AnonymousGuestDear Laelithia:
* Quotes from yesterday will be in regular boldface print and quotes from January 2021 and earlier will be in italicized boldface.
“I believe B has many great qualities (helpful when asked, good-natured/very polite, hard-working on tasks he is passionate about, hands-on with the baby, etc.)” – I hope that these great qualities make him a great dad and easy to work with as a co-parent. These great qualities do not entitle him to live with you and/ or to be financially supported by you.
“He would engage in negative coping mechanisms (denial, delusion, deflection and repression)” – denial, delusion and deflection, when significant, are negative qualities that severely limit the quality of a relationship, hindering problem solving and teamwork that are necessary for a successful partnership to take place.
You shared that in September 2020, you found your dream apartment in the city you wanted to move to. You were not going to tell your parents because you knew that they would discourage you from taking the apartment and moving to the new city, but you became afraid and told them: “I became afraid, and I told my parents“. As you predicted, “they came up with reasons why I should not take the apartment, and somehow against my better judgment, desires, and instincts, I turned the apartment down
The key words for me here are: “I became afraid“. You orchestrated the situation (telling your parents) so to not do what you were afraid doing, which was to move to the new city. You wrote that by not taking the apartment, you went against your “better judgment, desires and instincts“, but you didn’t go against your Fear, you went along with Fear: “I became afraid, and I told my parents“.
“G… was extremely generous, handsome, thoughtful, and most importantly a gentleman… Someone who had their life together, someone who only wanted to be kind to me… ” – this description of a man you dated for a very short time (you didn’t even mention him in your long posts during the time of dating him), is in line with your strong inclination to put a man on a pedestal. Your own words, previously: “Emptiness is not good at evaluating men… it picks and chooses such minute and often superficial details of a person to make a picture that doesn’t exist“.
I don’t know G. He may have been a great option for you, but you didn’t really know him because you dated him only a few times. You knew his mannerism, you knew superficial details about him, such as autobiographical details about his life which were available to anyone reading his dating profile at the time. You didn’t know him long enough to know that he had his life together, etc.
“And for reasons still confusing to me know, I began a relationship with B instead, that felt like obligation, guilt, and beholdenness” – you wrote this about B in March 2022. You forgot that when you met B in December 2020, you did not feel that dating him was like an obligation, guilt, etc., instead you felt elated, excited and eager: “I was elated. In fact, I called my friend after our third or fourth date… and told her I may have met my future husband… I did have a special feeling about him… something about him felt different, right. Also, it was unique that for once the man was reciprocating my excitement/eagerness” (Jan 11, 2021, about Dec 2020).
Your feelings for B changed by January 2021, but it is not that you were excited by G, then met boring B and stayed with B because of obligation and guilt. At first, you were excited by B.
“I have thought about (G) periodically throughout my relationship with B…. Although it has been a year now, I considered messaging an apology” – It is clear to me that a big part of you wants to end the relationship with B. I think that you are lining up the man (G) to take B’s place. I think that you need the euphoria/ elation attached to a new/ old flame so to carry you through the difficult task of separating from B.
“Looking back, I should have taken that apartment in the new city when I had the chance… I truly am very sad that I let my parents talk me out of that apartment, which in turn led me back to my home city where I met and became entangled with B” –
– you didn’t take that apartment in the city because you were afraid, “I became afraid, and I told my parents“- do you remember what you were afraid of???
anita
March 30, 2022 at 7:45 pm #396609AnonymousGuestDon’t be a stranger, Laelithia, I hope to read from you soon, if only a short note.
anita
May 17, 2022 at 8:18 pm #400561AnonymousGuestHoe are you, Laelithia???
anita
May 19, 2022 at 5:23 am #400672HoneyBlossomParticipantHi Laeolithia,
I apologise in advance if I’m being too blunt but do you think it’s possible that you have an avoidant attachment style, and that you previously pursued men who you subconsciously knew were unavailable, and that you rejected the nice available guy because of your issues? You mentioned that he urged you to get help with your codependency issues.
People who have avoidant attachment styles often push others away and it’s only when they realise there is no chance of getting together with them they can allow themselves to feel love for that person.
December 24, 2022 at 12:52 pm #412595AnonymousGuestI hope you are well, Laelithia, MeRRy ChRistmaS!
anita
February 21, 2023 at 2:33 am #415667laelithiaParticipant<p class=”p1″>Hi Anita,</p>
<p class=”p1″>A very belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you! I thought of you during the holidays, and hoped I would get a moment to myself to write to you, but I didn’t. How have you been? I am so sorry (again!) for my delay in getting back to you. I have been so busy this last while, I (literally) barely have time to sleep. I have been trying as usual to keep my head afloat between working and caring for my baby, as well as trying to keep my relationship somewhat healthy and unsurprisingly, not able to do so very well.</p>
<p class=”p1″>I’m sad to report that my mental and physical health have continued to decline this last year. I tried to keep ahead of it, but it seemed like instance after instance would occur that would knock me back professionally, financially, or emotionally. You predicted that if I continued my relationship with B, my health would continue to suffer and I would become sicker than I was. Unfortunately, I believe that has become the case. Around the summer last year and the time my daughter turned one in the fall, my mental health was at a completely unstable point. I was having regular panic attacks, and I desperately needed a break from working I believe. B had finally secured a job working for my friend’s husband’s company and reporting to him, but it was commission-based and not dependable. As such, I continued to work as much as I could, to the detriment of my health I believe. Finally, at my absolute lowest point, I reached out to my doctor and began an SSRI, sertraline, which I am still taking now. To be honest, I’m not sure if it has truly been helping, but I continue to take it in case it is. </p>
<p class=”p1″>My relationship with B has all but crumbled. Not long after I posted last, B seemed to have given up on any attempt to improve our relationship, and began treating me poorly. Gone was the person that was at least always polite and kind to me. Now, not only was he financially draining me, he also was indifferent and sometimes cruel to me, often mocking or laughing (he called it being “exasperated”) at me when I was completely overwhelmed or emotional. I continued working with my therapist, who, surprisingly to me, recommended strongly that I end the relationship and labelled B a narcissist based on his actions. To this day, I’m not sure if that’s true or not. All I know, is that I am so tired of fighting, so tired of trying to make a relationship work with someone so irresponsible, reckless and immature despite being almost 10 years my senior. </p>
<p class=”p1″>That being said, I am terrified of potentially missing out on my daughter’s life. I don’t want to “share” her, if I’m completely honest. So I have stayed in the relationship, begged B to change and implored him to think about how changing would be in everyone’s best interest, including his. These conversations are met with verbal reassurances, but very rarely followed through with actions. In being ritually disappointed, saddened, and hurt by his actions (and often inactions), I have resorted to not being very kind to him at all. In fact, so much so that we mutually agreed to take some time apart while I visited my parents in the city I almost moved to. I have been here now for a week, and B promised to finally organize and clean the house he had promised to do when we moved in about a year ago. Low and behold, he was out with his friends at the bars and drinking rather than doing this, so I snapped. I was not very nice to him on the phone, and the next thing I knew, he had blocked me and I received a message from his sister-in-law that they (his parents included) had helped him move out. </p>
<p class=”p1″>I honestly don’t know how I feel about this new development longer term. In the short-term, I feel completely blindsided and betrayed by the lack of upfront communication, but on the other side, maybe it truly just is for the best and it doesn’t matter how it happens. But again, I can’t seem to get over the idea of sharing parenting and not seeing my daughter every single day. That side that worries so much about that is motivating me to try to mend things with B, perhaps finally try counselling together and see if perhaps most of our issues were some kind of misunderstanding, as he never really was able to communicate with me openly and calmly. He would shut down and stonewall anytime I addressed something with him I wasn’t happy with. Including our financial situation. Part of me feels so sad and frustrated that he seemingly wouldn’t work on this, that if he did, we could have a true shot at happiness. Another side of me feels like a man in his 40s is unlikely to change. I just don’t know.</p>
<p class=”p1″>You mentioned in your last reply that I went along with fear, when I didn’t move to this city. Am I going along with fear again? I really don’t know. Somehow I feel so out of touch with my emotions, my intuition, my judgement. Perhaps it has to do with the medication that I am taking. I’m not sure. Either way, I find myself more lost than ever, but with a ticking time-bomb on my shoulder based on a limited window of opportunity to work on things with B, who already mostly seems against continuing the relationship, although never even nothing to communicate this directly to me and having me instead painfully and awkwardly having to ask his SIL.</p>
<p class=”p1″>As a side note, I did end up messaging G an apology. He surprisingly wrote back, and after a little back and forth, mentioned he would like to meet in either city. I told B about this, and he even encouraged me to go to gain closure with him, but out of loyalty and respect to B, I did not. Now, at seemingly the eleventh hour of my failing relationship with B, I wonder if my loyalty was misguided. </p>
<p class=”p1″>Once again, I’m so sorry I don’t have more positive news to write to you with. That being said, my daughter is lovely as ever. She is wicked smart, has a hilarious sense of humour, is incredibly kind, and is already talking and identifying over 200 words at under a year and a half old. I’m so proud of her, and so glad she’s here. I just wish so badly I could provide a happy nuclear family for her. Maybe it’s the romantic in me, but even with me and B seemingly separating, I still hold a tiny bit of hope that maybe some time apart and some maturing and perspective on his part will maybe allow for us to be a real family. Or, maybe I am just deluding myself and taking a page out of B’s book of defence mechanisms.</p>
<p class=”p1″>Thanks for checking on me always, Anita. I hope you are doing amazingly!</p>
– LFebruary 21, 2023 at 2:36 am #415669laelithiaParticipantHi HoneyBlossom,
Thank you for your reply. I think you have a very good point, and I have explored this before. In fact, I do believe I have oscillated in the past from anxious to avoidant attachment, and it is definitely something I am working on with my therapist. It’s so hard to tell when a relationship just isn’t right, or if it is because of unhealthy attachment. That’s still an area of growth needed for me.
Thanks again for your reply!
– L
February 21, 2023 at 2:40 am #415670laelithiaParticipantHi Anita,
A very belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you! I thought of you during the holidays and hoped I would get a moment to myself to write to you, but I didn’t. How have you been? I am so sorry (again!) for my delay in getting back to you. I have been so busy this last while, I (literally) barely have time to sleep. I have been trying as usual to keep my head afloat between working and caring for my baby, as well as trying to keep my relationship somewhat healthy and unsurprisingly, unable to do so very well.
I’m sad to report that my mental and physical health has continued to decline this last year. I tried to keep ahead of it, but it seemed like instance after instance would occur that would knock me back professionally, financially, or emotionally. You predicted that if I continued my relationship with B, my health would continue to suffer and I would become sicker than I was. Unfortunately, I believe that has become the case. Around the summer of last year and the time my daughter turned one in the fall, my mental health was at a completely unstable point. I was having regular panic attacks, and I desperately needed a break from working I believe. B had finally secured a job working for my friend’s husband’s company and reporting to him, but it was commission-based and not dependable. As such, I continued to work as much as I could, to the detriment of my health I believe. Finally, at my absolute lowest point, I reached out to my doctor and began an SSRI, sertraline, which I am still taking now. To be honest, I’m not sure if it has truly been helping, but I continue to take it in case it is.
My relationship with B has all but crumbled. Not long after I posted last, B seemed to have given up on any attempt to improve our relationship and began treating me poorly. Gone was the person that was at least always polite and kind to me. Now, not only was he financially draining me, but he also was indifferent and sometimes cruel to me, often mocking or laughing (he called it being “exasperated”) at me when I was completely overwhelmed or emotional. I continued working with my therapist, who, surprisingly to me, recommended strongly that I end the relationship and labelled B a narcissist based on his actions. To this day, I’m not sure if that’s true or not. All I know is that I am so tired of fighting, so tired of trying to make a relationship work with someone so irresponsible, reckless and immature despite being almost 10 years my senior.
That being said, I am terrified of potentially missing out on my daughter’s life. I don’t want to “share” her if I’m completely honest. So I have stayed in the relationship, begged B to change and implored him to think about how changing would be in everyone’s best interest, including his. These conversations are met with verbal reassurances but rarely followed through with actions. In being ritually disappointed, saddened, and hurt by his actions (and often inactions), I have resorted to not being very kind to him at all. In fact, so much so that we mutually agreed to take some time apart while I visited my parents in the city I had almost moved to. I have been here now for a week, and B promised to finally organize and clean the house he had promised to do when we moved in about a year ago. Lo and behold, he was out with his friends at the bars and drinking rather than doing this, so I snapped. I was not very nice to him on the phone, and the next thing I knew, he had blocked me and I received a message from his sister-in-law that they (his parents included) had helped him move out.
I honestly don’t know how I feel about this new development longer term. In the short term, I feel completely blindsided and betrayed by the lack of upfront communication, but on the other side, maybe it truly just is for the best and it doesn’t matter how it happens. But again, I can’t seem to get over the idea of sharing parenting and not seeing my daughter every single day. That side that worries so much about that is motivating me to try to mend things with B, perhaps finally try counselling together and see if perhaps most of our issues were some kind of misunderstanding, as he never really was able to communicate with me openly and calmly. He would shut down and stonewall me anytime I addressed something with him I wasn’t happy with. Including our financial situation. Part of me feels so sad and frustrated that he seemingly wouldn’t work on this, that if he did, we could have a true shot at happiness. Another side of me feels like a man in his 40s is unlikely to change. I just don’t know.
You mentioned in your last reply that I went along with fear when I didn’t move to this city. Am I going along with fear again? I really don’t know. Somehow I feel so out of touch with my emotions, my intuition, and my judgment. Perhaps it has to do with the medication that I am taking. I’m not sure. Either way, I find myself more lost than ever, but with a ticking time bomb on my shoulder based on a limited window of opportunity to work on things with B, who already mostly seems against continuing the relationship, although never even bothering to communicate this directly to me and having me instead painfully and awkwardly having to ask his SIL
As a side note, I did end up messaging G an apology. He surprisingly wrote back, and after a little back and forth, mentioned he would like to meet in either city. I told B about this, and he even encouraged me to go to gain closure with him, but out of loyalty and respect for B, I did not. Now, at seemingly the eleventh hour of my failing relationship with B, I wonder if my loyalty was misguided.
Once again, I’m so sorry I don’t have more positive news to write to you with. That being said, my daughter is lovely as ever. She is wicked smart, has a hilarious sense of humour, is incredibly kind, and is already talking and identifying over 200 words at under a year and a half old. I’m so proud of her and so glad she’s here. I just wish so badly I could provide a happy nuclear family for her. Maybe it’s the romantic in me, but even with me and B seemingly separating, I still hold a tiny bit of hope that maybe some time apart and some maturing and perspective on his part will maybe allow for us to be a real family. Or, maybe I am just deluding myself and taking a page out of B’s book of defence mechanisms.
Thanks for checking on me always, Anita. I hope you are doing amazingly!
– L
February 21, 2023 at 11:37 am #415682RobertaParticipantDear Laelithia
Having watched many peoples relationships collapse over the last 50 years, in general the woman ends up as the full time parent and the man rarely consistently over the years takes an active part in looking after the children.
Although it is physically, emotionally & financially scary being a single parent it is ultimately better than being in a cold loveless relationship.
I hope that your health & happiness will improve.
kind regards
Roberta
September 15, 2023 at 8:10 am #422135anitaParticipantDear Laelithia:
I would like to reply to your post of Feb 21 (which you addressed to me, and which I didn’t answer), and to learn about the new developments in your life, but I don’t know if you are still following the activity on your thread/ the forums, it being that your last post is almost 7 months old. Please let me know?!
anita
November 30, 2023 at 2:23 pm #425728laelithiaParticipantHi Anita!
I was so happy to see you back on the forum. I absolutely would love to hear your reply. I could write a long update, but I will summarize it for you. I did end up trying to reconcile with B despite the pain and sadness I have felt for so long in this relationship. I felt I realized at the time I had been too hard on him, and didn’t appreciate what he brought to the table (helping with my daughter, keeping the home tidy, and helping some with bills). However, in the summer I had one I can only describe as a complete break, and considered seriously ending my life.
Despite this, and the inevitable permanent end of my relationship with B, I still find myself incredibly saddened by the loss of the nuclear family I wanted so badly, as well as the shame I feel of not being able to have provided that for my daughter and as a therapist myself how that looks externally.
I wanted so badly to have that picture perfect life, but I feel I could not manage it. It plagues me still in wondering if I had been nicer to B, more understanding and nurturing if this still would have been the case. But my therapist reassures me that this is who B is, that he showed up as he is and not because I had the power to change him to be less of a parent. I still feel guilt for not maintaining the relationship though, because after the second separation in the summer, unsurprisingly B has not been involved in our daughter’s life, save for a few visits and minimal financial contributions.
I wish it had been different, I wish I could have made it different for my daughter. And I have found myself experiencing incredible pain that it isn’t. I hope I will feel differently in the future, that I will feel it was right for my daughter and I, or at the very least it wasn’t my fault.
Thank you again and again for your continued support for me in my journey. I think about you often, and hope you are doing very well!
L
November 30, 2023 at 4:51 pm #425734anitaParticipantDear Laelithia:
I am so very pleased to rad back from you. I will be back to you in the morning when I am more focused. Good night!
anita
December 1, 2023 at 12:03 pm #425750anitaParticipantDear Laelithia:
I started the reply to you early this morning, including going over some of our past communication, but took a break and now will have to continue Sat morning. I hope that you feel better soon!
anita
December 2, 2023 at 9:35 am #425762anitaParticipantDear Laelithia:
* I am about to submit this post and I feel that it will be difficult for you to read, Please read if you are calm and prepared, take a break if it gets to be too much, or choose to not continue to read. My goal is to be helpful to you.
You are very welcome and thank you for your kindness and grace.
In your February 21, 2023 post, you shared that you’ve been very busy working, taking care of your lovely baby daughter, and working on your relationship with B, your baby’s father, barely having time to sleep. Sometime in the year before (2022), B finally secured a job but earned commission only, not a dependable income, and therefore you continued to overwork to the detriment of your health. You were having panic attacks, and reached out to your doctor who prescribed sertraline (an SSRI).
Sometime around April 2022, B changed: “B seemed to have given up on any attempt to improve our relationship and began treating me poorly. Gone was the person that was at least always polite and kind to me. Now, not only was he financially draining me, but he also was indifferent and sometimes cruel“.
You referred to B as “someone so irresponsible, reckless and immature despite being almost 10 years my senior“. Your therapist at the time “labelled B a narcissist based on his actions“, and strongly recommended that you end the relationship with him. You and B agreed to take some time apart: “I visited my parents… and B promised to finally organize and clean the house he had promised to do when we moved in about a year ago. Lo and behold, he was out with his friends at the bars and drinking rather than doing this, so I snapped. I was not very nice to him on the phone, and the next thing I knew, he had blocked me and I received a message from his sister-in-law that they (his parents included) had helped him move out“.
Your main concern at the time: “I can’t seem to get over the idea of sharing parenting and not seeing my daughter every single day. That side that worries so much about that is motivating me to try to mend things with B, perhaps finally try counselling together… Another side of me feels like a man in his 40s is unlikely to change. I just don’t know… I find myself more lost than ever… I still hold a tiny bit of hope that maybe some time apart and some maturing and perspective on his part will maybe allow for us to be a real family“.
Nine months and nine days later, yesterday (Nov 30), you shared that following the above happenings back in February, you tried to reconcile with B following this relaliztion: “I had been too hard on him, and didn’t appreciate what he brought to the table (helping with my daughter, keeping the home tidy, and helping some with bills)“.
A few months later, in the summer of this year, you had “a complete break, and considered seriously ending my life“. The relationship with B ended permanently in the summer. Since the separation in the summer, B has not been involved in your daughter’s life, save for a few visits and minimal financial contributions.
(I will be adding the boldface feature selectively to the following quote from yesterday, and to quotes I will bring back from the past): “I still find myself incredibly saddened by the loss of the nuclear family I wanted so badly, as well as the shame I feel of not being able to have provided that for my daughter, and as a therapist myself, how that looks externally. I wanted so badly to have that picture perfect life, but I feel I could not manage it. It plagues me still in wondering if I had been nicer to B, more understanding and nurturing if this still would have been the case… I hope I will feel differently in the future, that I will feel it was right for my daughter and I, or at the very least it wasn’t my fault“.
The first day we communicated, Laelithia, was on May 9, 2017. On May 19, 2017, you shared in regard to your parents when you were growing up: “I longed so deeply to be seen by them, to be heard, to hear loving words of affirmation. However.. I don’t think they had the ability to do so for me… I tried so hard to get her (your mother’s) attention, I would clean the house as a child during the nights to surprise her, I would work so hard at school, I would try to engage with her. But she was emotionally aloof”.
On January 11, 2019, you wrote: “I felt Wrong as a child, a problem, a burden. I tried very hard in my younger years to rectify this with my mother by helping her with chores, caring for my siblings, anything I could do to make her happy. But after several years of realizing this wasn’t working, I became an extremely angry and sad teenager, and I suppose in many ways, emotionally I still am that angry and sad girl“.
On January 14, 2019, you wrote about your mother: “She would often shake her head or sigh at me, while simultaneously being so cheerful and encouraging to my younger sister. She often identified being similar to my younger sister when she was younger, and told me I was more like the girls that bullied her in school. To this day I’m not sure why she told me that, as I have never been a bully“.
I don’t have the date for the following quote (I took it from one of my replies to you), in regard to your mother: “I remember feeling like I was a trouble maker to her, always needing more of her attention and getting upset with her over things and feeling hurt that she didn’t console me after an argument“.
On January 14, 2019, you wrote about your mother: “She would often shake her head or sigh at me, while simultaneously being so cheerful and encouraging to my younger sister. She often identified being similar to my younger sister when she was younger, and told me I was more like the girls that bullied her in school. To this day I’m not sure why she told me that, as I have never been a bully“.
In your relationships with men, like in your relationship with your mother as a child or a teenager, you longed so deeply to be seen by the man, to be heard… to get the man’s attention.. try to engage with the man… to rectify this with the man by helping him. But after… this wasn’t working, you became an extremely angry and sad woman, and you became a trouble maker to the man, always needing more of his attention and getting upset with him over things and feeling hurt that he didn’t console me after an argument, having become a bully within the relationship”.
This is how it looked in the relationships:
Jan 22, 2019: “When it comes to this new partner, my regret is tied completely to horrible behaviours I engaged in knowing better. Specifically, venting to him about my past, lamenting about it, and not respecting his wishes to stop talking about it with him“.
Jan 23, 2019: “I have talked more with my partner, and I am devastated by what he shared with me. He is so angry and hurt over me constantly talking about my past with him (especially exes and what was done to me), not giving him enough space or time to do the things he wants in his life, and for saying hurtful things when I felt he was rejecting or abandoning me. He said he wants space, that he wants to be on his own”.
May 19, 2019: “I met a man online… we did have a few silly arguments (usually after having too much to drink). Anyway, when I got back home, I noticed his contact was far less than before. I pointed this out, and before I knew it, my perfect man was saying he wasn’t sure if he was ready for a relationship after all. This after he had been the one pushing for things to move so quickly”.
August 3, 2020: “I met someone.. he was kind, assertive, generous… He told me how he had ‘done the math’ and how we had a great connection and our future goals aligned… I, unfortunately, uninvited him from meeting my brother and became short and cold to him. As if that wasn’t bad enough, I proceeded to have too much to drink that night and ended up sending some really odd texts that I now regret. He then told me he had a date scheduled the next day, and I really lost it… I felt bad about this in the morning, so I said ‘sorry.. When I asked if he was still planning on getting my bike today, he said ‘I’m sorry not after our last interactions.. I was hoping for some space…He said he was worried about a few comments I made and was bothered by my mixed signals”.
February 21 & Dec 1, 2023: “B promised to finally organize and clean the house he had promised to do when we moved in about a year ago. Lo and behold, he was out with his friends at the bars and drinking rather than doing this, so I snapped. I was not very nice to him on the phone, and the next thing I knew, he had blocked me and I received a message from his sister-in-law that they (his parents included) had helped him move out… I had been too hard on him, and didn’t appreciate what he brought to the table (helping with my daughter, keeping the home tidy, and helping some with bills)”.
You have been a victim to a cold, unloving mother and you tried hard to get her positive attention. Seems to me that you’ve been repeating (as often is the case) your relationship with your mother in the context of your romantic relationships, including in the one with B. Not that any of the men was perfect or close to perfect, but it is your part in the relationships that follows a pattern: quickly getting emotionally attached and placing the man on a pedestal, and then.. trying hard to be heard and adequately attended to (to rectify your childhood experience with your mother), and motivated by hurt, you get aggressive and bully them.
Does this read true to you?
anita
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