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  • #441198
    Jana 🪷
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    Today I came across this entry in Samajivina Sutta (AN 4.55) and I wanted to share it here in my thread about karmic relationships:

    [The Blessed One said:] “If both husband & wife want to see one another not only in the present life but also in the life to come, they should be in tune [with each other] in conviction, in tune in virtue, in tune in generosity, and in tune in discernment. Then they will see one another not only in the present life but also in the life to come.”

    Husband & wife, both of them
    having conviction,
    being responsive,
    being restrained,
    living by the Dhamma,
    addressing each other
    with loving words:
    they benefit in manifold ways.
    To them comes bliss.
    Their enemies are dejected
    when both are in tune in virtue.
    Having followed the Dhamma here in this world,
    both in tune in precepts & practices,
    they delight in the world of the devas,
    enjoying the pleasures they desire.

    It is probably the first reference to karmic relationships which I have found. However, it is not clear if “the life to come” means next life or just future in this life.

    And I also wanted to share a video about love which I really enjoyed. It is not directly connected to karmic relationships. However, it is very wise and you can find it on youtube “6 SECRETS TO A HAPPY RELATIONSHIP | Buddhism In English”

    And I include the summary of the video here. Six principles for a happy relationship (not only a love relationship):
    1. Treat your partner with physical/bodily kindness (giving, helping)
    2. Treat your partner with verbal kindness (kind words, expressing love in words)
    3. Treat your partner with mental kindness (kind thoughts lead to kind words and actions)
    4. Share without reservation (share things with your partner, for example food etc.)
    5. Be virtuous (Abstain from lies, stealing, killing, sexual misconduct, drinking alcohol… No doubt, all these might lead to serious problems in relationships. The more virtuous you are, the happier your relationship is. Virtue = trust)
    6. Have a common goal/dream (Common goal or dream creates stability and trust in relationship, which leads to peace)

    Beautiful!

    ☀️ 🪷

    #441212
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Jana:

    Thank you for sharing the insightful passage. Of the six principles for a happy relationship from the video you mentioned, # 3 is something that never crossed my mind as “a principle for a happy relationship”: “Treat your partner with mental kindness (kind thoughts lead to kind words and actions)”-

    – true: kind thoughts lead to kind expressions, verbal and non-verbal. I realized lately that negative thoughts get expressed on my face automatically, without my choosing- before I am aware of these expressions. And when I become aware of them, I can’t go back in time and reverse these expressions. I can pause before I speak, but there is no pause between the negative thoughts (and feelings that are attached to them) and their instant- however subtle- expressions on my face.

    Angry, suspicious, accusatory non-verbal communication (facial expressions, other physical gestures and reactions, tone of voice) are generally harmful or unpleasant to the people on the receiving end. The only way to prevent these non-verbal, potentially harmful, automatic physical expressions is to purposefully choose kind thoughts to replace or balance the negative thoughts.

    “It is not clear if “the life to come” means next life or just future in this life”- it could mean both (not one or the other): as the next life in a karmic sense or the future within this life.

    Wishing you peace and happiness-

    anita

    #441228
    Jana 🪷
    Participant

    Hello Anita,

    It is true. 🙂 Why did you realize that lately? Somebody drew your attention to it?

    It is an interesting topic. The facial expression can be tricky. People very often relax the muscles on their faces when they are not focused and then they can appear upset or sad. However, the fact is that they are just resting. I also notice that people who work with computers and are very focused on the work, have worried or upset expressions on their faces. But again, they just subconsciously relax the facial muscles and thus look tired, worried or sad. So, someone’s facial expression doesn’t always really correspond to their actual mood.

    Some people sometimes ask me: “Why are you sad?” But I am not sad. It is only that my facial expression when my muscles are relaxed seem to be sad.

    ☀️ 🪷

    #441229
    Jana 🪷
    Participant

    I also think that this point 3 (and also 2) refers to one bad habit. People, especially women, have tendency to gossip about their partners and thus create a bad atmosphere… How can they have a nice loving relationship when they have no shame to disparage their beloved one behind his back?

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    #441230
    Jana 🪷
    Participant

    And it leads to the cause and effect… even though he couldn’t hear the gossips, he can feel that energy… and can get more and more distant.

    ☀️ 🪷

    #441245
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Jana:

    I realized lately that negative thoughts get expressed on my face automatically, without my choosing, before I am aware of these expressions- following self-reflection. Earlier, my thinking was limited to me being responsible only to what I say and do. Recently, I became aware that I am responsible also for my facial expressions and tone of voice that’s expressed to others. Not that I should be overly cautious and too controlled, but that I should be aware of negative, harsh and judgmental thinking about other people that leads to angry non-verbal expressions on my part, and correct/ balance those thoughts. Doing the latter will automatically lead to a positive change in non-verbal communication.  

    It’s interesting, now that you made me aware of it, Jana, how the relaxation of facial muscles can convey an unintended emotion, such as sadness or worry, even when that’s not what the person is feeling. It’s a good reminder not to jump to conclusions based solely on facial expressions. Instead of assuming someone’s mood, it’s always better to check in with them and ask how they’re feeling.

    As to the negative impact of gossiping about partners: gossiping involves speaking negatively about the partner behind their back, which damage trust and respect. I agree, even if the partner doesn’t hear the gossip directly, he/ she can sense the negative energy, leading to emotional distance and strain in the relationship. It does undermine trust and respect, which are foundational to a loving relationship. It is harmful behavior.

    Instead of gossiping, addressing concerns directly and respectfully with the partner leads to a supportive and understanding relationship. It’s important to create a safe space where both partners can express their feelings and work through issues together.

    Thank you for highlighting this important aspect of relationship dynamics. It’s a valuable reminder to be mindful of our words and actions and to nurture our relationships with love and respect.

    anita

    #441248
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi Jana

    What a lovely quote from the sutta! I like the summary of the video too. I will have to get around to watching it, it’s just hard because I don’t have much time atm.

    Absolutely spot on about the other person picking up on the vibes and negativity causing issues in a relationship.

    Love, peace and best wishes! ❤️🙏

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