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September 27, 2018 at 11:15 am #227801
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GuestDear Ali:
I think you should find a way to relax and reset, leave the past alone, it is too messy to figure out, at least the way you think and feel about it, it is too messy.
Start anew. Easier said than done, of course, it usually is when it comes to obsessive thinking and ongoing distress.
I would say either find a way to relax and reset or end the relationship.
Effective psychotherapy can be very helpful to you. Blogs on “Mindfulness and Peace” under BLOGS may help. And do post again with more of your thoughts and feelings.
anita
September 27, 2018 at 12:42 pm #227809Anonymous
InactiveHello Anita
thank you for your response.
I’d just like to know, is it normal that I overthink this so much? By normal, I mean acceptable after all the mess and confusion? Or am I being exagerated?
Of course I want to work this out so I’ll follow your advice on the blogs.
You think is POSSIBLE to reset from all of this?
thank you!
September 28, 2018 at 5:38 am #227903Inky
ParticipantHi Ali,
All women have an intuition when something is wrong. The problem is, your intuition is on overdrive, picking up on things that may not be there. Call it a Psychic Auto-Immune Disorder. One little inconsistency and you’re eating away at yourself!
I believe that at some point he messed up. Not in a major way, and probably only once. But you KNOW he did, and can’t prove it… and that’s driving you NUTS. THAT is your problem. Not him.
If you don’t stop at least acting “crazy” around him, he could theoretically break up with you or say, “What the hell? She doubts me anyway. Might as well give her something to doubt ABOUT!”
Best,
Inky
September 28, 2018 at 6:57 am #227913Anonymous
GuestDear Ali:
You are welcome. You wrote that you want to follow my advice on the BLOGS. I never blogged before and have no input in the Home Page. I am a member here on the Forums just like you, only I do post a whole lot.
I will attend to your original post more attentively so to answer your question, if your overthinking is exaggerated in the context of the reality of what happened:
You met C four years ago, 2014. You and him were 20 and 21 at the time. You talked from time to time, nothing serious. You then pursued another guy, stopped talking with C, then went back talking to C when the relationship with the other guy didn’t work out. A more serious relationship with C developed. C told you about his ex D.
C later found out that while in a relationship with him, you still talked to an ex boyfriend, and that while you were talking with him earlier, before it was serious (Dec 2014), you hooked up with another guy. C was “completely devastated and ended things with me because I hid those things from him”. You then pursued him and got back together April 2015. You asked him if during the separation he met up with D and he said he didn’t meet her or talk to her.
Later, one night he was drunk, D called him, he told her he was with you, she told him that she saw a missed call from him, he told her she is a liar. Later he blocked her. A month or so later, on a trip, you checked up his phone and went through “EVERYTHING, phone calls, Messenger, Facebook… couldn’t find a thing, so I moved to his phone pictures” and found out that he had a conversation with her. This time it was you who were devastated. A month later you had a fight and you talked to an ex boyfriend of yours. You told C that you didn’t, he found out that you did, was bothered, but the two of you made up.
A month or so later he left for another country as an exchange student, before he left the two of you decided that you “weren’t officially boyfriend and girlfriend”, but you continued to talk, saying I-love-you to each other and promised each other “that we would not date anyone else, or if we wanted, we would tell each other.”
When he returned from Germany, July 2016, he posted a picture of the two of you in social media saying how much he loved you and missed you. Sometime in October he didn’t answer his phone, you looked for his car in the library parking lot, it wasn’t there. When you talked to him he told you that he was at the library. You then told him that you checked and his car wasn’t there at the parking lot. He then told you that he lied, that he didn’t study at the library, but instead, he and a group of other students studied in a girl’s house but he was afraid to tell you that because “she was a GIRL”.
You wrote: “I didn’t believe but he swore and swore, and told me I needed to stop being paranoid and stalking him around”. You then asked a guy he was with if they were together, you suspected the two of them planned to lie to you, then C showed you the conversation between the two of them “and it was innocent just two dudes talking stuff, he even showed me the work they had made”.
Later on that month the two of you had a romantic dinner and decided on being officially boyfriend and girlfriend, October 2016.
You wrote: “Maybe I shouldn’t have believed him. But every time I have felt doubtful about him, he has shown me the truth”. You wrote, “he told me he wouldn’t be with me for so long if he wanted to be with someone else”. You wrote that this doubting him has been going for two years by this point, Oct 2016- (soon to be) Oct 2018. You wrote that you “constantly check her (D’s) up on her social media, EVERY SINGLE DAY” and overthink a whole lot, from time to time about whether he was with DÂ or with someone else.
Now my input at this point: yes, are clearly overthinking to the point of obsession, and that there is nothing in his behavior that is evidence that he was with another woman at any time while you and him have promised exclusivity to each other. He wasn’t perfectly honest with you but neither have you been perfectly honest with him. Given your ongoing suspicion of him, it is believable to me that he would not tell you that he and a friend or friends studied at a girl’s house. Not because he was sexual with the girl, but because he didn’t want to awaken your suspicion.
My concern about him is that he referred to another woman as “easy meat”, and that you may be okay with this term and attitude- is this his attitude toward women, or some women, easy meat? And are you okay with it?
anita
September 28, 2018 at 9:29 am #227939Anonymous
InactiveHi Inky,
Thank you so much for your input. I do feel like my intuition is on overdrive.
I am learning to be calmed, but I definitely wanted to be sure of how this looked in someone else’s eyes.
Thanks!!! <3September 28, 2018 at 9:35 am #227941Anonymous
InactiveHello Anita,
I’m sorry, I meant by reading the blogs, that I should follow your advice on checking out those blogs you suggested.
About the “easy meat” part, he didn’t exactly say those words, he said he continued to hook up with her because it was known, and she was willing to do it no strings attached. The “easy meat” part was just adjectives to describe the situation, but you’re probably right, it wasn’t correctly described.September 28, 2018 at 9:44 am #227947Anonymous
GuestDear Ali:
Putting aside for now the offensive easy meat phrase used, or some similar phrase, I see that your obsessive thinking about your boyfriend is like you suggested, exaggerated, way exaggerated, that is, it is not based on evidence in reality. It is not different from any other obsessive thinking, excessive worrying fueled by anxiety. I would say the problem here is your anxiety, not his behavior.
Before obsessing about him, before the relationship with him, you experienced anxiety otherwise, correct?
* will be back to the computer in a few hours or so.
anita
September 28, 2018 at 9:55 am #227949Anonymous
InactiveHi Anita,
Yes, I’ve experienced anxiety way before him, and with many other things.
I obsess about being afraid my loved ones die, but it’s like you said, “way exaggerated”. I also obsess about my future, about being probably sick.
Sometimes, the situations I just told you, including my boyfriend’s things and his ex, and my other fears are too much, and I can’t even focus on my daily activities, and I end up doing things like overeating, or not eating at all for long periods, and also, I don’t know if this has anything to do, but when I feel the most anxious I tend to make impulsive shopping.September 28, 2018 at 12:34 pm #227993Anonymous
GuestDear Ali:
Yes, it is anxiety that predated this relationship. Anxiety is like a sticky substance that sticks to everything, to every part of your lives. And then we find “solutions” to the discomfort of it by overeating, so to feel better… and then we proceed to find “solutions” to the new problems caused by the solutions that don’t work (ex., avoiding eating, the anorexic “solution”; vomiting, the bulimic “solution”) and we get into deeper and deeper trouble.
This is why it is very important to do all we can to manage and heal from anxiety, and it is possible although not easy. What about psychotherapy?
anita
October 1, 2018 at 10:55 am #228437Anonymous
InactiveHello Anita! Thank you so much for your responses.
I’ve tried psychotherapy for many years now, for a while, I had to see psychiatric and took medicine for depression and anxiety, it had me numbed and I really didn’t learn to cope and manage my anxiety, I just learned how to talk about my issues, but I was so out of me, numbed all the time, there are even periods of time I can’t remember.
After that and a while later, I went to see a psychologist instead, she’s helped me through much, but she was focused in unsolved issues from our lives, childhood and all of that. I managed to be healthier but as you can see, there’s plenty of work to do still, and I couldn’t continue with therapy because of money and time, my working schedule makes it hard for me to go to therapy and so I tried “natural” ways, I started working out more, and I started to meditate (about 2 times per week so far) but I haven’t been consistent.
I am constantly reading about this kind of issues, but yeah, it’s easier said than done sadly…
The moment I read what you wrote “I would say the problem here is your anxiety, not his behavior” it hit me, I always tried to heal my insecurities without knowing what caused them, or blaming them on past mistakes.October 1, 2018 at 12:40 pm #228487Anonymous
GuestDear Ali:
I need to get away from the computer for about fifteen hours. I will read your recent post (and any other that you may add) when I am back and will reply then.
anita
October 2, 2018 at 8:15 am #228595Anonymous
GuestDear Ali:
Anxiety is ongoing fear, fear from long ago that was not settled. Unsettled, it keeps interrupting our lives. If is similar to this: a lioness spots a deer, the deer notices, immediately the deer experiences fear. Fear is the most powerful emotion in nature. The reason it is the most powerful, that is, it causes more distress than any other emotion, is because the animal needs to motivate to act immediately and use a lot of energy in doing so (running away or fighting).
Feeling the intense distress of fear, the deer immediately runs and escapes the lioness. Having escaped, it relaxes, the fear is settled and the deer resumes eating and living like before.
But what happens if the deer is stuck in a cage with the lioness, and let’s say the lioness is tied to a post so it can’t reach the deer, but the deer doesn’t know it. The deer feels in danger on an ongoing basis and it has nowhere to run. In this scenario the fear does not settle. Over time, the deer develops anxiety and even when freed from the cage and the threatening lioness, its fear is still unsettled. It has become and continues to be unsettled and gets reactivated again and again, aka anxiety.
We humans often find ourselves in a cage. For too many of us, unfortunately, the cage is our childhood home. The threat is not that we will be eaten alive. Instead the threat is being hit or yelled at, or hearing people yelling and fighting, and/or being rejected, insulted, and so forth. And children have no way to run away. The fear is ongoing and it becomes anxiety, even when freed from the cage, that is, even when leaving the childhood home.
What do you think/feel at this point?
anita
October 7, 2018 at 8:19 pm #229637Anonymous
InactiveAnita hi!
I’m sorry to respond so late, I did not get a notification from this response.
I have completely understood what you said, it described me perfectly. It describes me in many situations though, some involve my boyfriend, some involve my job, my dad, my humanity in this world. I think if I talk about this it may be off topic of “relationships” but I’m sorry, I have to:
I feel that emotional distress of the deer inside the cage with the lioness every single day of my life, I’d say, probably from 30-70% of my daily time, depending on the situations. In a regular basis, without no special events going on, I overthink and feel anxious about my existence, fear of death, constant fesr of my beloved ones’ death, keeping my job, etc. But for example, this weekend I had a wedding and for some it may be a reason to feel happy but I was in constant stress. Why? Because in the past, my boyfriend used to drink too much (in the early 20s, isn’t everyone? Maybe?) I almost never drink, but he likes to do it from time to time. Some time ago, there was a couple of times when he got so drunk that he became irritated by everything and this one time, he got angry at me at a family reunion and started swearing at me and that scared me. It happened twice, and I ended the relationship because of that the second time it happened, I told him I was scared how he reacted sometimes when he drank. So he saw the mistake in him and quit drinking for a long while, but now he sometimes casually does it, of course it hasn’t happened again that he gets angry or swears or anything, and I think he saw the mistake in him and changed that attitude, but I am constantly afraid of that happening again. I have talked to him about this fear of mine and he says he understands, but that it will never ever happen again, and it hasn’t happened for years now, but I just cant move past that. Of course this wedding weekend he drank and got tipsy but just that, he may say some silly stuff and be too clingy with me, but that’s it. But for my head is not it, I am in constant distress about it. And not just because of him, but because when I lived at my parents house during my whole childhood and teen years, my dad would come home completely drunk and would scream at my mom and sometimes I could hear them fighting over him trying to do stuff with her and her being completely annoyed at her husband trying to be sexual when he is so drunk. Although is not at all the same with my boyfriend and never has been like my dad, I, in fact, get annoyed at him trying to do something sexual with me as well when my boyfriend is tipsy or drunk because I am afraid he would react like my dad used to, or even I am afraid that he reacts getting mad at me because I dont want to do anything sexual. Although I clarify he has never been upset at me saying no, he has never forced me to do anything, but the fear that he may be one day is there.
October 7, 2018 at 8:39 pm #229641Anonymous
InactiveI can’t enjoy a social event if there is alcohol involver cause I am always stressed that he reacts like my dad used to, or that he gets annoyed like he used to and starts swearing, and sometimes is just one beer, or even just the two of us and just a drink with dinner, and it changed my mood, I get so annoyed at him, I get stressed out, and everything bothers me, because I am anxious something bad could happen.
October 8, 2018 at 10:28 am #229765Anonymous
GuestDear Ali:
Seeing your boyfriend drink alcohol activates the distressing experience you had as your father got drunk and then screamed at your mother and then attempted to have sex with her, the two of them fighting.
That childhood experience is well recorded in your brain and every time you see your boyfriend drinking, this early memory comes alive. You did well to assert yourself regarding him yelling at you when drunk and he hasn’t yelled at you or been otherwise abusive for years.
I think it is fair for you to let him know that it is not okay with you that he attempts to have sex with you when he is tipsy or drunk. On the other hand, I don’t think it is fair of you to demand that he no longer drink alcohol. Some distress you will have to endure as you repeat sensible thoughts in your mind, thoughts like: he is not yelling. If he yells I will protect myself and make sure it does not happen again. I am capable of protecting myself. Etc.
When I find myself distressed over another’s behavior that I can’t and shouldn’t do anything about, I say nothing, do nothing and I feel sad for suffering about it, but I endure it nonetheless. Over time it got better for me, less and less distressing. I believe it will work for you as well, over time.
The wedding you are going to will be your opportunity to practice this enduring. It won’t feel good but the practice is a good thing because it will eventually yield results.
There are other triggers in your day that activate other fears, the principle of dealing with those is the same: assert yourself when it is appropriate, do what you need to do when there is something you should do. Otherwise, endure the distress. You build strength this way, confidence in your abilities, and this by itself reduces anxiety a whole lot.
anita
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