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    anita
    Participant

    Dear James:

    First thing this morning, I want to meditate a bit on something you wrote on Sept 1, in your thread “When Consciousness Wears the Face of a Lover”:

    “Love is the highest and purest service we can offer to humanity. It’s not about recognition, reward, or doing things for show—it’s about giving, understanding, and being fully present for others. When we act from love, every small gesture, every word, every act of kindness becomes meaningful. Helping others with love is not just about changing their lives, it transforms us as well.

    “Love sees beyond faults, beyond appearances, beyond judgment. It connects us to the essence of people, to their struggles, their joys, their humanity. When we serve from love, we serve without expectation, without ego, without thinking “I am doing something great.” The act itself becomes the gift, and the impact spreads silently, like a ripple in water.”-

    Beautifully said. “Being fully present for others”- how do you do it, in practical ways?

    I am not good at being fully present for others , and I want to get better or more skillful at it. I just looked it up (AI). It says that among other things, it means “Holding space without rushing to fix, explain, or bypass”, which means…

    “Holding space: Creating a safe, nonjudgmental container for someone to feel, speak, or process — without interruption or agenda.

    “Without rushing to fix: Not jumping in with solutions, advice, or action. Trusting that the person’s feelings are valid, even if unresolved.

    “Without rushing to explain: Not intellectualizing or rationalizing their pain. Avoiding phrases like ‘It’s probably just stress’ or ‘This happens to everyone.’

    “Without bypassing: Not skipping over the hard feelings with positivity or spiritual platitudes. No ‘Everything happens for a reason’ or ‘Just stay grateful.’

    “Emotionally attuned example: ‘I hear you. That sounds really heavy. I’m here with you.’ (Instead of: ‘You should try yoga’ or ‘Maybe it’s not that bad.’)

    “Why it matters: When someone is in pain, they don’t always need a fix — they need to feel seen, held, and honored. Holding space is a form of emotional sovereignty: it trusts the other person’s process without hijacking it.” (AI).

    James, on Aug 30, you wrote something in your thread “Not me”, that stayed with me ever since, something I repeat to myself every day. You wrote:

    “Radical Acceptance is not just about accepting situations outside of you, it’s about accepting what is happening inside you/ your thoughts, emotions, fears, and impulses without resistance. It’s a full acknowledgment that life, including all feelings, is unfolding exactly as it is.

    “When I say, ‘When fear comes, you don’t resist it; you let it be seen,’ what I mean is: notice the fear fully, without trying to push it away, judge it, or fix it. In practice, this looks like allowing yourself to feel the sensation of fear in the body, observing the racing thoughts, the tension, the urge to control without identifying with it. You don’t become ‘ the fear”; you simply let it appear and pass through. Pure Consciousness itself watches, and the fear begins to lose its power because there is no resistance feeding it.

    “Similarly, ‘When anger arises, you don’t judge it; you allow it to pass like a cloud’ means that you stay with the moment, letting the emotion move through your body and mind without clinging. The inner dialogue is simple: ‘This is here, it is happening, and it is passing.’ There is no need to argue with it, suppress it, or attach meaning to it. Pure Consciousness supports the release because you see clearly that the anger is temporary, not you, and has no ground once you let it be.

    “… When you allow yourself to fully face that fear, without trying to flee, control, or resist, it transforms… In essence, radical acceptance is… allowing every feeling, thought, or uncertainty to rise and fall without clinging. In doing so, the ego loses its grip, and the mind and body act naturally, smoothly, and intelligently.”-

    So, the Ego is the part of a human that resists reality (the what-is), suppresses it, tries to ignore it, or magnify it, or make it.. go away.. or desperately, unintelligently try to change it?

    In the original post in this thread (Sept 25), you wrote: “Spirituality is the complete death of the self, therefore your experiences, beliefs, ideas, and everything you ‘think’ you are”-

    Is it also the complete death of your beautiful thoughts about Love and Radical Acceptance..?

    * Peter, and everyone who may be reading this post, your thoughts on the above are welcome 🙂

    🤍🌿 Anita

    #451304
    James123
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    The ego is not necessary to function. it is the reason of separation.

    Only way to be in love is surrendering the ego not suppressing.

    Beautiful thoughts about love is limited.

    When ego is gone, one realizes that now is already pure beauty. There is no need to change anything.

    Best Regards,

    #451307
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi everyone – Before the Dance: A dialogue on silence, source, and the question that dissolves

    Anita: In the original post, James wrote: “Spirituality is the complete death of the self, therefore your experiences, beliefs, ideas, and everything you ‘think’ you are.” And you ask – Is it also the complete death of your beautiful thoughts about Love and Radical Acceptance..?

    As I sat with your question, Anita, I found myself not answering, but contemplating. I turned toward the dance of Yin and Yang… and in that turning, the question dissolved. Held in silence and stillness, nothing was lost. I wondered: Could that be a answer?

    Contemplation on Yin and Yang
    Yin and Yang flow in and out of each other – ceaselessly, seamlessly.
    Their dance gives rise to all movement, all contrast, all becoming.
    Yet we rarely notice the canvas upon which their play unfolds:
    The stillness that allows motion,
    The silence from which sound arises.

    It is easy to chase the changing, the light and dark, the thought and deed…
    Believing that by following their paths we might arrive at the source.
    But the source is never reached through what comes from it.
    It is already here, before the doing and the thinking,
    The quiet canvas on which Yin and Yang paint their eternal circle.

    Anita, the question you ask arises from the interplay of Yin and Yang, the movement, the contrast, the becoming. James points not to the dance, but to the canvas: the silence and stillness from which Yin, Yang, and the question itself emerge and are tenderly held.

    Imagine being held in a warm embrace where no words or measure is necessary.
    The invitation is not to answer, but to remember… To remember that all is held in such embrace, always.
    To rest in the source before the dance… and return… Where nothing is lost, and all is already known.

    #451325
    anita
    Participant

    Dear James:

    “The ego is not necessary to function. it is the reason of separation. Only way to be in love is surrendering the ego not suppressing… When ego is gone, one realizes that now is already pure beauty. There is no need to change anything.”-

    Thank you, James for answering. I keep confusing the concept of Ego in (1) Freudian psychology/ psychoanalytic theory with (2) Ego as it’s referred to in non-duality philosophy. Two different things:

    1) Freud’s Definition of Ego- the ego is one of three parts: Id — primal desires, instincts, and drives (pleasure principle), Ego — the rational self that mediates between desire, reality, and morality, & Superego — internalized ideals, conscience, and societal rules

    The Ego’s Role: Operates on the reality principle — it tries to satisfy the id’s desires in socially acceptable ways. It acts as a mediator between the impulsive id and the judgmental superego. In Freud’s view, the ego is not the enemy — it’s the balancer, the negotiator, the one trying to keep the peace.

    2) Non-duality definition of Ego- a false sense of separateness — the idea that “I” am distinct from “you,” from nature, or from God. Ego = illusion of separateness. The ego believes in a personal “I” that is separate from the rest of existence. Non-duality teaches that this “I” is a mental construct, not ultimate reality.

    Ego creates suffering By identifying with thoughts, roles, and stories, the ego generates fear, anxiety, and craving. Non-duality suggests that suffering dissolves when we stop clinging to this false identity.

    Ego resists surrender It wants control, certainty, and recognition. But awakening in non-duality involves letting go — not of life, but of the illusion of control.

    Non-duality doesn’t ask you to destroy the ego, but to see through it — to recognize that beneath the mental noise is a spacious awareness that’s not personal, but universal.

    * Zen Buddhism: emphasizes “no-self” (anatta) and the emptiness of identity

    * Christian mysticism: speaks of dying to the self to be reborn in divine union

    Comparing the two:

    Freud’s ego = necessary structure for navigating reality, essential for functioning.

    Non-dual ego = illusion of separateness that must be seen through, “not necessary to function.” (your words, James.)

    More of your words, James: “When ego is gone, one realizes that now is already pure beauty.”-

    And that “pure beauty” is an experience, an awareness.. not of the body/ the senses? Not something you see/ heat/ taste/touch.. but something you “feel”?

    How does it feel/ how is it experienced?

    Dear Peter:

    Same question, if I may: How does it feel/ how is it experienced?

    I didn’t read your post yet, Peter. Maybe the answer is there.. Let me see/hear/feel/experience.. if I will:

    “I turned toward the dance of Yin and Yang… James points not to the dance, but to the canvas: the silence and stillness from which Yin, Yang, and the question itself emerge and are tenderly held. Imagine being held in a warm embrace where no words or measure is necessary. The invitation is not to answer, but to remember.. To remember that all is held in such embrace, always.
    To rest in the source before the dance.. and return.. Where nothing is lost, and all is already known.”-

    That “warm embrace” caught my eye. I can’t feel it. No embrace has ever calmed my anxiety/ somatic tension (those Tourette’s tics), not for more than a moment.. except for that heroin-like substance I once drank (someone else’s methadone)- that was hours and hours of an unbelievable calming embrace, felt only love, no tension, no worries, no anger.

    Is that how it feels to you, Peter? James?

    If so, how long does it last each time it feels this way, or similar to this way?

    Of course, I was dedicated to drink more of it for a repeat of that unbelievably unique experience, but a time or two after, I got physically sick drinking it, and gone was the embrace. I tried again- sick again, so that was the end of that.

    That was more than 20 years ago.

    I am looking forward to your replies, James and Peter..???

    Anita

    #451326
    James123
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Ego is so sneaky. Even working on non duality or trying to see trough the illusion is the play of ego.

    Because, there is an expectation such as i will drop the ego and see trough the illusion.

    Attachment to ego is attachment to expectations. Good or bad. Doesn’t matter.

    When one completely drops all the expectations, including enlightenment etc… The one dies.

    And what remains is already pure beauty.

    Ego = Action, Truth / what You really are = Effortlessness.

    That’s why i say, all spiritual feel good or share the love stuff based on ego And fuel the ego.

    As I said before, one can work on self improvement or spiritual feel good stuff, yet with one bad news, one life’s back to misery again.

    Ego is suffering.

    What You really are is already here. Closer than your jugular vein.

    Begin with being aware of the thoughts every moment. When everything comes so much to you, say o God, I love you more then myself, this body belongs to you, and I give it back to you.

    İf you do this, day by day there will be less you / separation. And when separation completely dissolves there will be no one to contemplate or speak or learn or work on or expect about non duality.

    And that’s what non duality is, genuinely not knowing.

    Best Regards,

    #451327
    Peter
    Participant

    Dear Anita,
    You ask how it feels… I wonder what is “feeling” when there is no “I” to feel?

    So I pause, because the space I speak of isn’t felt in the usual way. It isn’t measured in minutes or held in sensation. It doesn’t soothe the body like a calming substance might, nor does it silence the storm. It is not the embrace that calms the nervous system, but the one that holds even the un-calmed. Not the silence that erases pain, but the silence that listens to it without needing to fix it. A embrace that is both nowhere and everywhere, both felt and unfelt, both known and unknowable.

    Perhaps the embrace isn’t something we feel into the body, but something that gently holds the body, even when it cannot feel being held. That, too, is part of the mystery. Maybe this embrace isn’t something we arrive at, but something we remember. Not with the mind, but with something deeper, older, quieter. A kind of contemplative remembering, not of a moment past, but of a truth that’s always present.

    I recall a story Richard Rohr shared, about looking into his dog’s eyes… he describes how gazing into her eyes helped him experience the divine presence in all living beings. At first, I didn’t understand why he included the story in a book about spiritual transformation. But the image stayed with me as a something I “knew” but couldn’t name… A memory arises of a sad young boy returning from school, sitting with the family dog Duke, in silence, and feeling held… I wonder if Rohr included the story as it was a moment of experiencing the embrace I speak of. Not through dramatic insight or relief, but through presence. A quiet recognition. A softening. No words, no measure, just being met.

    So, if you cannot feel it, Anita, know this: you are not outside the embrace. You are already within it and always have and will be.

    You said the warm embrace caught your eye… what if you leaned into it… A invitation to feel the embrace in ways you may not yet have imagined. In the eyes of a dog. In the hush before a thought. In the way a tree stands without needing to be seen. In the breath that comes unbidden. In the silence that holds even the ache.

    #451328
    anita
    Participant

    Thank you James and Peter, I very much appreciate your time and attention.

    I want to try to.. not know non-duality, James (“And that’s what non duality is, genuinely not knowing.”), and to consider that leaning into the embrace, Peter (“You said the warm embrace caught your eye… what if you leaned into it..”) tomorrow morning.

    Best regards to both of you!

    Anita

    #451351
    anita
    Participant

    Dear James:

    “Attachment to ego is attachment to expectations. Good or bad. Doesn’t matter. When one completely drops all the expectations… what remains is already pure beauty… what You really are = Effortlessness… say to God, I love you more then myself, this body belongs to you, and I give it back to you…. And that’s what non duality is, genuinely not knowing.-

    Genuinely not knowing what will happen next and being okay with it, totally relaxing the need to know/ the anxiety about not knowing.

    Relaxing the need to shape reality so to feel safe later on, when reality is shaped to my liking. A futile dynamic because reality keeps shifting and it bounds to be not to my liking at least twice a day 🙂

    This morning, James, I have a better understanding of what non-duality means in a practical sense than I ever had, thanks to your explanation quoted above.

    So, it’s not about the expectation to feel good, it’s about giving up on expectation, on the futile lifestyle of seeking or chasing expectations, good or bad. Thank you, James 🙏 🙏 🙏

    Dear Peter:

    “The space I speak of isn’t… the silence that erases pain, but the silence that listens to it without needing to fix it.”-

    Continuing the thoughts above, the ego is about expectations, including the expectation to fix things and people/ to fix how I am feeling at any one time.. the desire/ craving/ expectation to feel better.

    “Maybe this embrace isn’t something we arrive at, but something we remember. Not with the mind, but with something deeper, older, quieter. A kind of contemplative remembering, not of a moment past, but of a truth that’s always present.”-

    You are talking about the canvas, empty of the ego’s drawings/ painting.. The “In The Beginning” of non-duality, something to remember. I just took a moment to remember and I don’t remember a time when I was free of craving or expectations. I figure you’d say at this point, Peter, that it’s not the “I” that remembers. (I am typing as I’m thinking).

    So, what is it that remembers.. it’s not the part of me that’s thinking/ seeking that can do this remembering.

    “A memory arises of a sad young boy returning from school, sitting with the family dog Duke, in silence, and feeling held… through presence. A quiet recognition. A softening. No words, no measure, just being met.”-

    A quiet canvas moment experienced when the ego was quiet, the ego that rushes into the past and the future, zigzagging in-between, skipping the present, missing the timeless now..

    “So, if you cannot feel it, Anita, know this: you are not outside the embrace. You are already within it and always have and will be.”- I’m part of the canvas inseparable from everyone else who’s also part of the canvas.

    My ego always wanted me to feel special, different in a good way.. so to cover up the special in a bad way (low self-esteem, ashamed, guilty), thrown violently in- between misery and occasional, rare euphoria.

    Being no different from everyone else, neither more nor less.. this is a new experience for me. That’s the embrace you’re talking about, right Peter? It’s neither good nor bad, neither more nor less..

    “You said the warm embrace caught your eye.. what if you leaned into it.. An invitation to feel the embrace in ways you may not yet have imagined. In the eyes of a dog. In the hush before a thought. In the way a tree stands without needing to be seen. In the breath that comes unbidden. In the silence that holds even the ache.”-

    Beautifully said, like a poet.. In the hush before ego’s thoughts.. measuring, labeling “me” and “you”, “good” or “bad”, “pleasurable” or “painful”.

    Thank you, Peter 🙏 🙏 🙏

    🤍🌿 Anita

    #451380
    Peter
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I sense a quiet hesitation. Not a rejection of the embrace, but a trembling at what it might ask of you. Maybe not because it demands anything, but because it invites a soft undoing, a loosening of the self you’ve so carefully tended, shaped, and protected.

    What I point toward isn’t a task or a teaching. It’s not something to fix, achieve, or transcend. It’s something more ancient and intimate, a remembering. Not of a moment in time, but of essence of the canvas that holds creation yet remains untouched by its unfolding. It does not precede the beginning, nor follow the end. It is the stillness beneath the breath, the silence behind the sound, the unlit flame from which light dreams itself into being. A canvas always empty yet never so… It is not known by thought, but felt in the hush between thoughts. Not a place, not a moment… an isness, veiled in every moment, waiting to be remembered.

    You wrote: “The ‘In the Beginning’ of non-duality, something to remember…” And yes, there is something to remember but not as a concept or destination. Even “non-duality” is part of the dance: Yin naming Yang, Yang naming Yin. But the canvas doesn’t name. It simply holds.

    AUM — the breath of creation – rises and falls, surrendered to the silence that cradles it. Every breath, every longing, every thought… held. Not chased. Not judged. Just met…

    You mentioned craving and expectation. Perhaps that’s the ego reaching for the changing, the light and the shadow, the thought and the deed…believing that by following their paths, it might arrive at the source. But the source isn’t reached through what comes from it. It simply is. This is what we forget… and what we might remember. Not through effort, not through will, but through quiet recognition. Ego, Yin, Yang… playing, and now and again, pausing to remember they are held.

    The Zen tradition speaks of the turning point of the breath, the moment where the inhale hangs weightless before becoming the exhale. That subtle transition isn’t the breath itself, but the awareness resting in it. And in that resting, the nature of mind beyond perception can be glimpsed.

    So perhaps the invitation isn’t to let go of the self, but to rest in the space where the self is quietly held. Not erased. Not corrected. Simply met. And in that meeting, something tender unfolds… not as a task, but as a return. A return not to what was, but to what always is. The breath turns. The veil thins. And in the stillness between, we are home…

    AUM rests held in the arms of what always is… You are not outside the embrace, Anita… Your are, we are that.

    #451383
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Everyone

    It seems to me that one of the subtle errors we make when engaging with wisdom traditions is that we believe that to arrive at Love, Nirvana, or Heaven… we must follow the rules and or practice as if the practice itself were the path. We treat the forms as formulas, the rituals as requirements. Only the source is not reached through what comes from it.

    The following is a reflection: The Quiet Error

    It is easy to chase the changing – the light and the dark, the thought and the deed – believing that by following their paths, we might arrive at the source. But the river does not return to its spring by flowing forward.

    This is a quiet error we often make when entering wisdom traditions: we treat the practices as prescriptions, the teachings as tasks. We follow the forms as if they were formulas, believing that if we just get it right, meditate enough, love enough, surrender enough, we will earn our way into grace.

    But grace is not earned. It is remembered.

    It is not the practice that leads to remembrance it is remembrance that gives rise to true practice. When we rest in what is already whole, compassion arises as a natural fragrance, not as a commandment. And from that compassion, a deeper law reveals itself, not imposed from above, but unfolding from within. Not a rulebook, but a rhythm. A rhythm that when we forget we codify and fall into the error.

    The sacred does not demand perfection. It waits in the stillness beneath all striving. It is the silence behind the sound, the breath between the breaths, the presence that was never absent.

    We do not reach the source by effort. We return to it by stopping. By softening. By remembering.

    #451384
    Peter
    Participant

    correction to the line – It is not the practice that leads to remembrance
    – It is not the practice that leads to the source… let me try again

    The Quiet Error
    We often enter wisdom traditions with reverence, seeking truth, healing, or transcendence. But somewhere along the way, a quiet error slips in: we begin to treat the practice as the path, the ritual as the revelation. We follow the teachings as if they were ladders to grace, believing that if we meditate enough, love enough, surrender enough, we will earn our way into the sacred.

    But the source is never reached through what comes from it. The river does not return to its spring by flowing forward.

    It is not the practice that leads to the source… but to the remembrance of the source. And in that remembrance, something shifts. Compassion arises not as a rule, but naturally. From that compassion, a deeper law reveals itself which is not imposed, not constructed, but unfolding like breath from silence.

    Grace is not the reward for effort. It is the ground from which all true effort flows. The sacred does not demand perfection. It waits quietly, patiently, in the stillness beneath all striving.

    We do not reach the source by chasing the changing. We return by softening. By listening. By remembering… We are that

    #451387
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter: Thank you for the message you addressed to me.. (and for all your messages). I will process in the morning and get back to you!

    #451395
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    * I am adding this comment 2 hours and 20 minutes into typing this post, right before submitting it, to let you know that it felt like having a back and forth conversation with you, almost as if we were sitting here together, this early Thursday morning. I wrote whatever came to mind (no editing), just like we were talking in real-life. It was dark out when I started, totally light now. I wish you could read this message in a similar spirit, relaxed, conversational.. So here it goes:

    “When we rest in what is already whole, compassion arises as a natural fragrance, not as a commandment.”- you write so beautifully. I can almost smell a pleasant fragrance rising from a blank canvas.

    “The sacred does not demand perfection. It waits in the stillness beneath all striving. It is the silence behind the sound, the breath between the breaths,”- again, beautiful.

    “the presence that was never absent.”- it’s not a presence that protects people from cruelty, disasters and such, or a presence that lets itself be known in countless personal, national and global disasters.

    I remember walking at night, looking up to the sky and praying to the stars: “Help me. PLEASE help me!”-

    Nothing.

    The stars/ the presence.. if it was present, it didn’t mind staying silent night after night, year after year.

    Now, if you counter this, Peter, with.. it being my Ego praying to the stars, and transcending the ego (as a child) would have led me to “rest in what is already whole” night after night.. Well, would you suggest this to me, retroactively, imagining me praying to the stars?

    I am trying to understand the “presence”: is it indifferent to human suffering? (I am asking the same question people ask in regard to God)

    “We do not reach the source by chasing the changing. We return by softening. By listening. By remembering… We are that”- We are Presence/ Source/ Canvas, aka God?

    “Dear Anita,”- I think that this is the 2nd time you addressed me with a “Dear”. The first was 2 days ago, and I just noticed today. This is the softening you are talking about (“We return by softening”), is it? If so, I am touched.. moved by your softening.

    “I sense a quiet hesitation. Not a rejection of the embrace, but a trembling at what it might ask of you. Maybe not because it demands anything, but because it invites a soft undoing, a loosening of the self you’ve so carefully tended, shaped, and protected.”-

    A loosening of the self created by circumstances and other people in my early life, during those Formative Years, the years when the self/ ego is formed in physical ways (brain/body).

    Where was the source, the presence, the embrace when I- and others- needed it so desperately? It was there sometimes, here and there. Often it wasn’t there.. so, not a dependable presence.

    What I point toward is… something more ancient and intimate, a remembering. Not of a moment in time, but of essence of the canvas that holds creation yet remains untouched by its unfolding.”-

    Oh, here it is, “untouched” by human pain and struggle, including that of babies who didn’t yet choose anything. Untouched, indifferent.

    An Embrace by an Untouched.. is it possible?

    “So perhaps the invitation isn’t to let go of the self, but to rest in the space where the self is quietly held. Not erased. Not corrected. Simply met. And in that meeting, something tender unfolds.. not as a task, but as a return. A return not to what was, but to what always is. The breath turns. The veil thins. And in the stillness between, we are home..”-

    I feel like I am home this morning as I’m sitting by the computer, now hours of talking with you right here, in this post. I quote your words (that’s you saying something to me) and then I respond (that’s me saying something to you).. then you say and I say.. we’re talking. Connecting (that’s my experience here), and I like it.

    “You are not outside the embrace, Anita… Your are, we are that.”- It’s the Connecting itself, not the topic discussed, that is the Embrace I am experiencing right now.

    And I’ve known you- in context of the forums for so long: my first post on tiny buddha was sometime in May 2015, yours.. on May 27 the year after, 2016. Interestingly (to me), you posted 4 times on Oct 30, 2016, exactly 9 years ago. In the 1st of the four (thread: “Do you believe in God?”, you wrote:

    “I think that when religion views God as an alien being that exists out there as a watcher and judge, they have missed the target.. Others also mistake the organization and religious teaching as being God. They mistake the map for the territory…

    “The problem with being so angry at a God you don’t experience as existing is that you’re shaking your fist at empty air.

    “Believe me I relate to your experience. There is a part of me that so badly wanted to belong to the community I was raised in. but unable to experience this God they claimed was so loving, just and worthy of praise. All I felt and saw was injustice and pain all of which left me feeling I must have failed and didn’t belong.

    “Yet no matter how hard I tried I have never been able to deny G_d’s existence and like you in a way that had me shaking my fist.

    “One day I got tired of shaking my fist and fighting this something that I apparently didn’t believe in. If I was shaking my fist, I was shaking it at something, so I set out to work out what this something was. I began a long journey of separating my experience of G_d from my experience of family, community, church, religion

    “I began to look past the words, allowing the words to be transparent to transcendence and when I did began to feel that there was a something that ‘binds us all’. A definition of religion is that which binds us, not the rules not the words but something greater than the sum of all parts, that transcends the rules and words that can only point.

    “We tend to use the word God when we talk about this experience but the word God is not God.”-

    The word God is Source, Presence, Canvas, Embrace..?

    So, you too noticed (of course) the “injustice and pain” in our world, and you too were angry at the not “so loving, just and worthy of praise” God.

    But.. wait.. The Source, Presence, etc., is not so loving, or just.. is it? I mean, it’s the same painful and unjust world. Isn’t the proof in the pudding..?

    ✨ 🌟 ⭐ 💫 Anita

    #451409
    Peter
    Participant

    Dear Anita,
    I read your message slowly, as if we were sitting together in the quiet of early morning, letting the words rise and return.

    You asked about the Presence. And I’m not sure I can answer… at least not in the way answers are usually given. It’s an experience that arises when thought returns to silence and stillness. This Presence doesn’t intervene or shield. It doesn’t rescue. It holds. Not with indifference, but with a stillness that remains even when everything else falls away.

    This kind of holding is, I believe, one reason one might meditate. (My inner monk is always meditating.) And in that stillness, I think of your question.

    You asked if I would retroactively suggest transcending the ego to your younger self. No. I wouldn’t offer advice to her. I would sit beside her. I would listen. I would let her know her cry was heard.

    I want to pause and acknowledge something: I hear how deeply you’ve wrestled with silence, especially in moments of pain. I understand how that silence can feel like absence. And I’m not asking you to forget those moments, or to bypass them with spiritual language. They matter. You matter.

    When I speak of Presence, I’m not offering a solution or a fix. I’m pointing to something that doesn’t make it not so, but that holds what is. It’s not a God who intervenes in some magical way, but a stillness that remains. Not indifferent, but spacious. Not absent if quiet.

    It is in this space that something new might be born… perhaps a something that transcends the past…

    I suspect what I’ve been trying to share may not have landed as an invitation and wonder if it felt like a concept, or even a contradiction. Understandable, because it’s not meant to be grasped by the mind, but remembered by the heart. And only when the heart is ready.

    You’ve written about those moments of the heart in your posts, though perhaps forgotten, when the ache was still there, but something in you softened. Something let go. Something was held. That’s the Presence I mean. Not a noun, not a rescuer, but a rhythm, a breath, a holding.

    I don’t want to offer more words than are needed. All I can offer is to sit beside you, in silence, and say: I hear you. And maybe, just maybe, that’s enough for now.

    Warmly, Peter

    I will not fix, nor mend the ache, but sit beside it, as morning breaks.
    No answers come, no rescue calls, just breath between what stands and falls.
    A silence not of absence made, but presence deep, where pain is laid.
    So let the heart, when it is ready, remember what was always steady.
    And if no words can ease the now, then let this hush be enough somehow.

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    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    Thank you for your thoughtful, kind and patient response. I will process and reply tomorrow.

    For now, I just read this (elsewhere) and it resonates:

    “Non-dual teachers say the separate self is like a wave forgetting it’s part of the ocean.”

    Back to you Fri morning.

    🌊 Anita

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