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August 5, 2021 at 6:51 pm #384203AnonymousInactive
Hi all. Back for some wisdom in desperate times. I am not too proud to bet, as they say.
Things have been better than I expected. New amazing job. Passed my exam. Slowly working myself back to some sort of normalcy. And then it hit me. Made me ill and makes me nauseous daily, if not hourly. I’ve been alone so long, before my marriage ended and the years after, that I am starting to feel really unwell. The things I can control I am controlling. Things are are getting better in general, but I am having zero luck meeting anyone. Barely can get a date. I am a good looking dude. I make size figures (which does matter to women in LA sadly). I am not looking for the wrong kind of girls either. I tried both serious dating sites like Match and Hinge, and more hookup sites like Tinder, and nothing. There are two issues there. I am sexual and emotionally frustrated. I feel like I am losing my mind. I feel like if I don’t have closeness soon that I will lose my mind and that’s exactly how I feel. And the second issue is the anger at women that I am trying to process. A lot of what I feel is fair criticism, but my anger goes deeper (and no I don’t express it online and that’s not the answer). But it’s irrational. I am thinking about taking some meds just to numb myself. I am so envious of couples and people who have other people in their lives that I am hurting inside as if someone is cutting out my insides. I am pretty desperate. Any thoughts on how to manage this utter awful feeling of loneliness, sexual frustration, desperate need for closeness and intimacy, female friendship, etc? I would not want this awful feeling to my worst enemy, if I had any, which I don’t. I can’t even meditate right now because of this. Thanks =\
August 5, 2021 at 10:47 pm #384207TeeParticipantHi Felix,
welcome back! It’s good to hear you’re doing better job-wise and that you’ve found a job you really like. That’s great progress!
I am sorry though that you’re suffering in the relationship department and cannot find anyone suitable.
And the second issue is the anger at women that I am trying to process. A lot of what I feel is fair criticism, but my anger goes deeper (and no I don’t express it online and that’s not the answer). But it’s irrational.
It’s good you’ve realized you feel angry at women and that it goes deeper. We’ve spoken about it in your last thread. This is what I believe is the root cause of your anger:
My mom divorced my dad as soon as I was born and found someone who had status and money (considering it was USSR). So that’s why I don’t fully trust my mom even though she is a very good person, she still put her own ambitions over her husband and son a the time.
Your anger at women in general may be irrational, but your anger at your mother is very rational and justified. She was the first woman who betrayed you.
Any thoughts on how to manage this utter awful feeling of loneliness, sexual frustration, desperate need for closeness and intimacy, female friendship, etc?
Well, I think you’d need to work on that early anger towards your mother and the experience of having been abandoned by her. You’d need to heal that wound before you can be ready for a healthy, mutually respectful relationship. Are you still attending therapy?
August 6, 2021 at 9:23 am #384221AnonymousInactiveHi. How are you? Happy Summer =)
My mom has nothing to do with this, honestly. She didn’t do a great job with me, but she is a good wife, daughter, and even mother at times.
This is a lot deeper. This is simply me not being able to get female attention. Anything from more serious to just hooking up, I am out of luck. I live in LA where you HAVE to be 6 feet tall, drive a BMW, and live in the hills, or women don’t even look at you. It’s my imagination. It’s how things are. There are forums for guys and everyone agrees that LA dating is by far worse than any other US city. I get matches on dating sites from outside of US all the time, but I need physical intimacy, closeness, not chats or virtual video conference.
I don’t have the answer to any of this. I just decided to concentrate on my studying, gym, biking. I’ve never felt so hopeless about something so silly like meeting girls. I wouldnt want to wish my frustration about this with anyone.
PS. I am not looking to find the cause or blame mom or anyone else. Past is in the past. I am trying to disconnect from my primal urges for intimacy and relationships before they lock me away at a mental hospital. I literally feel sick from this. I am not seeing a therapist now, but I will once my new insurance kicks in. This is just stupid and sad. I am angry at my self because it’s happening in my own head and I can’t stop it =((
August 6, 2021 at 10:23 am #384222TeeParticipantHi Felix,
happy summer to you too 🙂 I am fine, although chronic knee problems have kicked in again, so this gives me some trouble. Other than that, I am fine, thanks for asking.
My mom has nothing to do with this, honestly. She didn’t do a great job with me, but she is a good wife, daughter, and even mother at times. This is a lot deeper.
Unresolved trauma from childhood runs very deep, it’s been proven. Volumes have been written about it. So don’t be so sure it doesn’t have to do anything with it. On the contrary…
I don’t have the answer to any of this. I just decided to concentrate on my studying, gym, biking. I’ve never felt so hopeless about something so silly like meeting girls. I wouldnt want to wish my frustration about this with anyone.
I understand your frustration. Totally. I am giving you a possible answer, though. A possible place to look.
PS. I am not looking to find the cause or blame mom or anyone else. Past is in the past. I am trying to disconnect from my primal urges for intimacy and relationships before they lock me away at a mental hospital.
Past isn’t in the past. Unless we process our childhood trauma, it’s right there in our adulthood, haunting us, affecting our lives in undesirable ways. We can’t escape it, other than suppressing and repressing it – which isn’t healthy. Don’t try to disconnect from your primal needs because they are valid. Rather, work in therapy through the trauma, through the pain, so you can be healed. There is no way around it, but through it.
I am not seeing a therapist now, but I will once my new insurance kicks in. This is just stupid and sad. I am angry at my self because it’s happening in my own head and I can’t stop it =((
Please do see a therapist when you can, and work on your childhood trauma. We’ve already spoken about it before. There’s a little boy inside of you who craves to be loved, and his craving is legitimate. Don’t be angry at him, but have compassion for him. The way isn’t to beat him till he’s curled on the floor and can’t utter a sound (which would be repression), but to tell him you’re there for him and that he deserves love.
August 6, 2021 at 5:09 pm #384231AnonymousInactiveSorry to hear about your health issues. It’s always something. I am having absolutely the worst allergies\asthma ever. Disgusting.
I hear you and I agree with a lot, even though I don’t know how the my childhood trauma is affecting me now. Really not that in touch with my emotions on that level. My thought process about this subject is very limited unless other disciplines. But even if you are 100% on point, I still don’t know what I am supposed to do. I will see a therapist, but I have this mental thought and I am pretty sure it’s an accurate representation of reality, is that until I am super fit physically (and emotionally), have a house, and can show a woman that I can be a good father, I have NO chance. I know that’s not always the case, but I am going based on the last few years of my life. I am invisible to local women. I’ve had times where I was lost before about career and other things, and even thought I was feeling lost I knew there were avenues that I could take to improve my life and I did and it has. But this relationship problem, I truly feel it will break me. Not being overly dramatic or anything like that. I truly feel like I will lose my mind being this lonesome. I have friends, family, people I know and can call, but I am alone. It’s so painful that the very thought makes me nauseous
August 6, 2021 at 11:34 pm #384232TeeParticipantHi Felix,
thanks for your kind words regarding my health. I hope your asthma will get better too.
I have this mental thought and I am pretty sure it’s an accurate representation of reality, is that until I am super fit physically (and emotionally), have a house, and can show a woman that I can be a good father, I have NO chance.
This mental thought is a reflection of your experience with your mother. Unless you’re materially well-off (owning a house is a pretty high standard!), you believe you’ll be unattractive and invisible to women. Your experience with your ex wife was different, you said she wasn’t materialistic, however the early imprint is still active in your subconscious and is running your life.
I know that’s not always the case, but I am going based on the last few years of my life. I am invisible to local women.
Our subconscious beliefs are like a magnet. They attract what we believe is true. If you strongly believe you aren’t rich enough to find a woman, it will become your reality. For example, you’ll look in wrong places, you’ll be attracted to a wrong kind of women (materialistic ones) and won’t notice a different type, you’ll mingle in the wrong neighborhood, you’ll give away a vibe that will repel women etc etc. All those are ways how we create our reality based on a subconscious false belief.
But this relationship problem, I truly feel it will break me. Not being overly dramatic or anything like that. I truly feel like I will lose my mind being this lonesome.
I know you’re not exaggerating. Being in a relationship, having a loving, caring connection with someone is a basic human need. But there is a trick there: if we don’t love ourselves, if we believe we are unlovable (because we for example aren’t rich enough), no amount of outside love will satisfy us. We’ll still believe we are unlovable, and we’ll sabotage even the best relationship. This might have happened to you earlier, perhaps, with your wife?
In any case, the place to start when looking for love is within. You need to love yourself first, so you can be ready for a healthy relationship. Otherwise you’ll blow it. Can you see that?
August 16, 2021 at 8:25 pm #384911AnonymousInactiveSorry for delayed response. It’s been a busy week and a half.
I hear you and agree with you and I am looking within. I am looking\learning to love myself. I am working on myself. I am spending time with people who care about me. I am learning to love my self with “radical self acceptance” while still trying to change things that are hurting me. I am doing many things right, some things wrong, but I am applying the dichotomy of control to my life. I try to change what I can, let go of what I cannot. The problem is that I am more alone than ever and all the wise words and suggestions are leaving more alone and in pain. I can’t find the words that could accurately describe what I am feeling. I am all alone and it’s only getting worse. It’s a perfect storm and my only reaction (internally) is sadness and tears. But on the outside I am working hard and doing what must be done. I spend a few weeks on dating sites and OMG, I feel sorry for young men in US. They don’t stand a chance. I’ll leave the rest to your interpretation and imagination because anything I say after this will look like straight up misogyny. No, I don’t think women are bad. My mom, grandma, sister are good and faithful women. I also know that modern feminism is pure evil and not a single human being on this world or any other world could ever tell me otherwise. And no, my view of modern women has nothing to do with my bad luck, which is what someone would say to me. I don’t choose those type of women. The problem is that the good ones are either already taken or are being pursued by 10 guys or more. It’s a fact that I read which is pretty common knowledge: 80% of women are looking for 20% (10% in actuality) of men.
August 17, 2021 at 12:09 am #384917TeeParticipantHi Felix,
I am sorry about your experience and your pain. I hear and can almost feel your pain as you say “I am all alone and it’s only getting worse. It’s a perfect storm and my only reaction (internally) is sadness and tears.”
I hear you and agree with you and I am looking within.
That’s good, because a large part of your problem is related to your experience with your mother. This past trauma is magnifying what you are experiencing on the outside: selfish, materialistic women who don’t even notice you.
The problem is that the good ones are either already taken or are being pursued by 10 guys or more
Among the good ones, there are women who get divorced or break up with their boyfriends, so there is always a new influx of available women. Because life circumstances change… if you believe these percentages are set in stone and that your chance is minuscule, you’re making it much harder for yourself. You only need ONE good woman. And she is out there for sure…
August 18, 2021 at 6:26 pm #384988AnonymousInactiveI am sorry to not be able to believe in that. I am very logical and while I am not saying I know everything and everyone is just dumb, but I am in control of my life and my thoughts and they tell me that things are a lot worse when it comes to amore than we everyone realizes. If you only knew what I know about what women do these days, you would be sickened. I know there are good women out there, but they don’t want me. Even good women are looking for HOT guys with fat wallets who can provide the kind of life style they want. I make six figures, I live in a nice area, I drive a nice car, I can hold a conversation better many, but women are not looking for that. I won’t go into details, but I am pretty confident about all this and that’s why it saddens me. I’ve seen the darkest side of humanity and to everyone’s surprise it came from women. Don’t get me wrong on men, meI evern do terrible things, but I know when a men is a POS and when not. I know how to handle the worst men. But that’s not how a woman operates. The nicest most decent woman will turn into a monster if it benefits her narrative. I don’t have to go far to look. My ex-wife, who is sweetest person I ever met, on a dime turned into a monster whom I did not recognize. As someone put it wisely “She is not your, she is never yours, it’s just your turn”. Men are expandable these days. What saves from feeling dred? Online, YouTube mostly, content from men like Better Bachelor, Alenxader Grace, huMAN, all these amazing men telling guys that they know the game is rigged and the best play is not to play at all. Give it up. That is what MGTOW is all about. It’s not incels or losers. It’s normal guys who are giving up. Math doesn’t lie. When 90% of women only want 10% of men, the chances are astronomical of meeting someone. I am not giving up. I am just presenting some cold hard truths and facts
August 19, 2021 at 12:35 am #384998TeeParticipantHi Felix,
I make six figures, I live in a nice area, I drive a nice car, I can hold a conversation better many, but women are not looking for that
So what do they want? 7 figures? Perhaps you live in a posh place like Beverly Hills, where the appetites are insane?
My ex-wife, who is sweetest person I ever met, on a dime turned into a monster whom I did not recognize.
What has she done? From what you’ve described so far, you said she wasn’t materialistic but there were other issues.
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