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February 5, 2019 at 6:47 am #278717
Michelle
ParticipantHi Hella, sorry to hear you’re going through a tough time. Reading your story I’m curious about one thing in particular – why haven’t you ever shared your view of reality and feelings with your friends? The guy has clearly moved on ( or back depending on how you look at it ) and I can absolutely understand you anger towards that, especially when you have not. But the image you are showing to the world is likewise of someone who has moved on, dating other people and seemingly ok with being around the guy, not saying otherwise. Are you just hoping people will understand otherwise? If these people truly are your friends, then they would be available to listen to you, be it awkward or not. Do you have any new friends in the city with who you can share or close family?
I know you want to focus on the now but it seems you are carrying a lot of anger about the relationship and how it ended. Trust me, there is nothing he can say or explain about why that will make it any different. It is just something that is, something you can not change, only how you continue to respond to it. What was the driver behind the on/off parts of the relationship – were they always initiated/driven by him or did you also start/finish the relationship at times. Are you angry because he no longer wants to continue the on/off nature and has settled down with someone else in a “proper” relationship? I think it would be helpful to try to work through what is really behind this anger, usually there’s an underlying cause less obvious than the one that seems to be causing the pain. What do you think?
February 5, 2019 at 8:06 am #278733Anonymous
GuestDear Hella:
A little summary of what you shared and then my input:
You had an on-and-off relationship with a man for a couple of years, officially a couple for about three months, a rollercoaster experience. He is now in a relationship with a girlfriend he had before he met you and perhaps at times during the on-and-off relationship with you. The two of you have been two people in a group of friends in the last five years.
My input/ understanding: your anger at him is about him pretending that what you know happened- didn’t happen, or didn’t happen the way you know it happened. And so, what you know is true is being compromised by him and within the group of friends.
The truth is that you and him “shared intimate emotions and super intense sexual chemistry.. for years”. When he expresses his narrative that negates the truth quoted, he is negating you, being “extremely condescending to (you)”.
Basically, you are alone with what you know was true, having received “no clear explanation or even empathy” from him, and to top this lack, what you did receive and you keep receiving within the context of the friend group is a false narrative, a pretense, a denial, a made-up, convenient-to-him story.
And he has been successful in making this story believable to the others in the group, except for you, which leads to you being alone, outside the group, denied by all, “blurred out and disappeared into the ether”.
“I can’t stand to pretend to agree with the false narrative HE has created about us… I just want to scream my truth about what happened”.
“he acts like everything’s just fine and that I should just move on. This is something he always did in our relationship and still does… making me feel like what I am going through isn’t important”.
My suggestions: your involvement with him and with the group of friends cannot or shouldn’t continue as is and as it has been for so long. If he is a dominant person in the group, and reads to me that he is, a trend setter of sorts, his narrative being his trend, and you have been a passive person in the group, the others seeing him as more valuable to the group than you are, then I see no other solution but to exit the group altogether.
The price you have been paying to be part of the group, to not be alone, is too high.
You can choose to “scream (your) truth” to him and to the rest of the people in the group, this is up to you. It is a good idea if it will help you feel better and if you are willing to accept the likely possibility that his narrative will come up on top because of his position in the group.
Your thoughts/ feelings?
anita
February 5, 2019 at 11:10 am #278795Inky
ParticipantHi Hella,
If I’m reading the time line correctly, it looks like he and his ex girlfriend who’s now a girlfriend again were with the friend group before you. It’s THEIR group! I know, it’s infuriating!
I’ve been “erased” before, but trust me, the Group Scribes will always remember you, and who knows? They may tell the tale one day of The One That Got Away. YOU! Ten years from now you may be remembered as His Great Love. At any rate, it’s time to carry yourself that way!
You have some choices. Keep the friend group and set the record straight in a classy way. AND/OR ditch them all and form a friend group of your very own.
How to be a Classy Truth Teller: Forget THE GROUP as a whole. Pick one friend or couple from THE GROUP and invite them to dinner or a party. They may assume the rest of THE GROUP is at the get together and will soon realize that they are the chosen ones among YOUR group of people. People who adore you. People they’ve never met.
Introduce them to your friend “Magnus”. Tell them, “Don’t tell (name of your ex) about Magnus yet OK? I think this has to come from me. I’m very fond of (name) and he’ll always have a place in my heart, but I had to end it that summer, you know.” In short, present yourself as if YOU are the one that got away! (You are!)
Best,
Inky
February 5, 2019 at 1:15 pm #278817Hella
ParticipantMichelle:
I have shared feelings and cried about this to friends – many times over. Unfortunately, my best friends were not in my everyday life during the hardest period of this time as we were living in different cities (and still are). I was super busy finishing my degree as well as working a lot. So the feelings towards him just came out in clumps and have been building up during the years.
I also believe there is a certain amount of crying you are allowed to do to your friends before they get sick of you. The ones I have cried to in my new city (where he also lives) I don’t know that well, and I was starting to feel like a broken record, especially to the ones that haven’t even met him… I find it’s been difficult to gather all the different feelings in regards to him and express them in a healthy way – anger, alienation of our common friend group, fear, embarrassment, sadness, you name it. I think partly because we met through our common friends and continued to meet in this constellation after having decided it wasn’t a relationship anymore. I couldn’t feel enough trust to anyone else to tell them because he was my closest confidant (until he wasn’t). Since we didn’t properly end it I still had hope for a long, long time that we would in fact sort it out due to the intense emotions and attraction we/I/he had to each other.
Regarding the ins and outs of the relationship – in the beginning I was the one holding back because I got a very acute sense that although I kind of loved being with him, he would be no good for me because of all the girls that I saw had been in the picture. Mind you, it’s not a huge town, so I guess I decided to cut him some slack and eventually got drawn in and began to give in.. so once I was drawn in, he started hesitating etc etc. And so the rollercoaster began. He was the one chasing me quite intensely at first. I guess that is also part of my anger, why did I even get so vulnerable with someone like that? He did get to be very important to me in the end, but by then it was too late.
Another part of the anger is regarding trust, I never thought he even thought about his ex anymore.. Had I known, I would have gotten myself out of the situation wayyy way way earlier than I did. In fact, there may never have been anything between us. So in the end I feel really stupid falling for someone like this, and everytime I go over to the city he lives in and think I see him my heart beats like crazy. It literally is the same feeling I had years ago. I just pray I can reach a level of calmness and confidence where I am somewhat detached from memories, and a lot happier because of it.
February 5, 2019 at 1:29 pm #278837Hella
ParticipantInky:
His current girlfriend is not in fact a part of the same friend group, she lives in another country and they met when they were both exchange students years ago… I know she has visited here though a couple of times and they have been out to places where he and I have been. Just the thought of her coming to something that my (and his) friends are throwing, gives me the creeps and… yeah, I don’t think I could handle those feelings at all.
Truthfully, it seems a lot more likely that even though him and I had chemistry for a long time and developed some serious feelings for each other, his real true love is his current girlfriend. And yeah, that’s the confusing part. I guess it’s highly possible for someone to feel strongly for two people, it’s not the first time in history… I guess I should not make myself more of a victim in this than necessary. I just wish I had what he has, and I thought we could have. Until then I don’t really want to hang out with our common friend group, even though it sucks declining invitations and missing out on fun times.
February 5, 2019 at 1:39 pm #278839Hella
ParticipantAnita:
I know in order for him to move on with his life and make sense of his decision to go back to his ex, he apparently needs to compartmentalize what happened with me and categorize me as an “other” in front of our friends. That’s what hurts and that’s what is embarrassing to me. It erases what we had. I feel like I’ve just helped him on the ride back to his old girlfriend. Sort of like without me he wouldn’t be with her now, I became the glue for them to stay together.
His presence in the group is quite strong, but I’m not a pushover or silent person either. I’m definitely not usually the one to stay back, especially if someone is starting to have bullyish behaviour. So this whole thing perplexes me, since all of a sudden I’m the one that’s being manipulated and made to feel insignificant. I guess I wish someone else had the guts to stand up to him and support me instead of silently supporting him. I’ve felt too weak because of him for a long time (due to my emotions).
February 6, 2019 at 2:04 am #278903Michelle
ParticipantHey Hella.
Honestly, it sounds like you actually have quite a lot of anger at yourself for making (from your own perspective) a number of ‘mistakes’, from “giving in” to what your instinct told you was not a good relationship idea, allowing yourself to become vulnerable and trusting him despite this and then continuing to hold out hope it wasn’t actually over. These things hurt as you feel stupid, weak – and they hurt all the more if you are usually a strong person, which is likely another part of why you have so much anger at being put in the role of a person you don’t see yourself as. The thing is, we all make choices with consequences, it’s part of the joy and pain of learning and growing as a person. There is no need or basis for you or anyone else to judge you harshly for it, as you put it. It just is what it is. I think you will find if you can be gentler on yourself for making what you now perceive as mistakes, the anger will fade towards the group. I know it’s not what you wanted to focus on but I suggest it is worth thinking about?
February 6, 2019 at 2:20 am #278905Hella
ParticipantMichelle,
Yes, it is what it is and I go back and forth in my emotions and views of myself so much aswell.Some days I am filled with compassion for my own choices, the next day I despise the fact that I still would feel the same knowing that he was around the corner. It is a fact that I still feel weak in his presence, and that he has that power over me.
February 6, 2019 at 6:30 am #278927Anonymous
GuestDear Hella:
To understand better, I ask: during the two year on an off relationship, did the two of you argue or fight, and if so what was the nature of those arguments, or fights?
Also, you wrote that “he is the director of this narrative”, the narrative being his account of what happened between you and him. What is his narrative?
anita
February 6, 2019 at 7:14 am #278935Hella
ParticipantAnita,
We did have quite a lot of conflicts.. It could be small things, that apparently I asked something the wrong way or claimed something and he wouldn’t stop pushing me on it, to explain myself or basically making me feel like what I said was wrong or to make me admit that I didn’t know what I was talking about. It could also be from my side that he was constantly wanting to go out, I mean every Friday and Saturday, all-nighters, and also during some weekdays. I felt (rightfully so) neglected and after a while a bit burned out, so I would try and make him see my side of things to which he would just say I could go home earlier and he would come later. No compromise there.
Well, to me, silencing someone by not acknowledging their emotions or reactions to what they do, i.e ghosting and gaslighting them, are ways to create a narrative as well. Silencing someone’s feelings gives you power over a narrative. In this case it was basically me not having any rights to have feelings or emotions of anger or frustration or whatever negative since we were not an exclusive couple any longer. Even though we were still sleeping together, going out etc. Basically minimizing the time I invested in us. He’s a very, very manipulative person in this way, and it is actually quite likely that he doesn’t understand that he is some of the time. This behavior just kind of runs on autopilot.
February 6, 2019 at 7:33 am #278945Anonymous
GuestDear Hella:
Is it the first time, in the relationship with him, that you felt being silenced, “not having any rights to have feelings or emotions of anger or frustration or whatever negative (feelings)”?
I am asking this because it reads to me like an old emotional experience that you have, from before meeting him, one that he triggered.
anita
February 6, 2019 at 8:07 am #278951Hella
ParticipantAnita,
No, it’s specifically with him. And I guess with the male species in general :/ (But not in relationships)
February 6, 2019 at 8:26 am #278967Anonymous
GuestDear Hella:
You do have the right to your anger and any other emotion that you experience.
In your original post you wrote: “I also want to preface by saying that yes, I know that by being involved with someone who can’t make up their mind about you, you are putting your own worth down and accepting sh*&^ conditions, but I didn’t know any better at the time and nobody is perfect. So please accept that that is how I dealt with things and please don’t judge me too harshly for it”.
Someone judged you harshly early in your life, and that someone has a mental representative in your brain (aka the inner critic) judging you equally as harshly, or worse. You projected that harsh inner critic to the reader, assuming the reader will judge you harshly as well.
Who judged you harshly early in life?
anita
February 6, 2019 at 8:32 am #278969Hella
ParticipantAnita,
I don’t know.. I have two quite unforgiving sisters. However, I don’t know if they should be dragged for this.
One thing is that I always knew he was going to be bad for me, ALWAYS. It was almost like I was looking to prove it, and then later prove it wrong. And because I knew he was going to be bad, I feel in a way less entitled to harbor these feelings. I was complicit from the beginning in a way but of course I still don’t think he has the right to do the things he did. It just is complicated when intellectually you have all these observations and yet with your emotions you give in to someone. It just doesn’t make sense when it’ all over.
February 6, 2019 at 8:43 am #278973Anonymous
GuestDear Hella:
“I feel in a way less entitled to harbor these feelings”- but you are entitled to harbor the feelings that you experience. We are emotional animals, we can’t help our emotions. We don’t choose them, any more than any other emotional animal.
Our emotions don’t or shouldn’t pass a test of entitlement, doesn’t matter if we knew better before getting involved with someone, doesn’t matter if it is a sister or parent that did us wrong compared to a stranger.
There is always a valid message in what we feel and that message should be listened to. Once we listen to that message, once the emotion successfully delivered its message, the emotion will quiet down.
It is the same as this: an animal feels hunger, it eats, the hunger quiets down. The animal feels fear, it runs away from perceived danger and arrives at a safe destination, the fear quiets down, and so forth.
If you want to examine the valid message in your anger toward your sisters or toward this man, please do and I will try to help you doing that.
anita
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