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  • #101233
    Anonymous
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    Dear xaas:

    Your father was good to strangers, to other men because if he was abusive to them, there would have been negative consequences for him. On the other hand, being abusive to a weak and dependent child, you, brought no consequences to him. He was able to relieve his distress by abusing you, getting away with it and feeling refreshed and energized to be the good guy with strangers.

    It is not that he was unable to be good with his family, it is that he was able to be bad with no consequences because you were a child and your mother was a woman and both dependent on him, powerless on your own.

    Your father is now sad, and you think he is regretting the abuse he inflicted. You have no evidence of that. He is sad probably because he is no longer young and strong. Not because he is regretting his abuse of you.

    And your mother should have protected you because you were weaker than her. She was probably afraid to leave him and protect you. I don’t think she sacrificed anything, she simply chose the least difficult life for herself.

    anita

    #101252
    Ahmed
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I have never felt imbalance during my life as am feeling it right now, I really feal shocked!

    And some how I feel more sorry for him than I felt before, I feel sorry for him that he did not see his own lie, he did nor relaize he is hurting him self as much as he is hurting others, I feel sorry for him for he had became what he had feared when he was a child, I feel sorry for him that I can not even tell him that.
    The more I reliable how they have hurt me, the more I feel sorry for them, it’s had to cope with that, feeling sorry for him not being able to realize how wrong he is, I feel sorry for them that they did not understand that in their attempts to stop his abuse to me, they actually helped him more to abuse me, I feel sorry for them that when the gave me money or gifts they shared in the act of abuse, and they thought they were trying to put it right, and they do not even see it.

    How can you feel sorry for some one pulacing you at gun point, and that he can not see the Hyena tracking him from behind and that he is just about to get bitten on the neck. If only he can see it, we could have stood together and fight it?!

    I now can understand why my mom would not stop crying when praying, even if she does not know it, she thinks she is crying and praying for me, while she should be crying for her self for forgiveness that she shard too in the abuse, I hoe she relishes that!

    yes I have no aprove, that he is regretting it, but I wish he is, for his own sake, I wish he would ask for forgiveness not from me, or for me, for himself and from himself. I wish he could relive it for his own sake, I cannot ask anything from him, nor I ever remembered that I did, nor that I am willing to!

    Now, am sure she did not scrfacie anything for us or for me, and even if she did, she took it back and much much more, am not regretting it, I never regret giving, I just feel sorry that someone does not realize the value of giving, realize the gift he has in his hands and before destroying it.

    You were right, I was the perfect victim, I was have been all my life till now, I was the perfect victim for seeing I deserve it, I was the perfect victim for accepting their gifts and making them feel good about them, I was the perfect victim that I had not even need chains or walls to stay in my prison, I was the perfect victim in my desprate attempts to make them feel better and showing them am good enough for them, I was the perfect victim for not even doubting that logic, I was the perfect victim for not questioning their values and supporting it, I was the perfect victim for for not seeing my soft as a victim!

    Thank you Anita for waking me up after all that years, thank you for showing me how hypocrite and demeaning I was being to myself, and am sorry that I have Dircted that towards you, I was feeling it and not knowing it, denying, and when I saw it in others, the truth that is as clear as the sun, it hurts too much you can not open your eyes, you were living in the dark for too much long, and again am sorry for trying to put off your light, thank you for baring with me without even showing it to me, thank you for making me realizing that am now hurting my self as much they did, and I slo have no right to do that.

    Xaas,

    #101276
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Xaas:

    I read your last post for the first time just now and I know I need to read it again. It is very meaningful to me, lots in it. it makes me sad. I think I share your sadness that these people, parents, had this wonderful, innocent child in their power, all loving, and instead of raising that child to be a strong, loving adult, they proceeded to destroy it. What is the use of that? Beyond the temporary relief, the “fix” that the abuser experiences, there is no long term benefit. They would have benefited long term if they inflicted no abuse.

    And yet, this very dynamic, of people inflicting harm and damage and in so doing they destroy their chances for well being, this dynamic is the reason why many millions of people are suffering all over the world.

    All you can do it leave the people who abused you behind; leave behind the people who chose to abuse you and those who chose to not protect you. And move forward. As you do, you choose who you associate with and who you do not associate with.

    There is pain, lots of pain yet to come. Some of it is necessary as we all get sick at times and we all die. Lots of pain is unnecessary, such as staying in an abusive relationship. Some of the pain will diminish as we heal, over time, with lots of patience .. and hard work… and time, did I mention lots of time?

    This realization you expressed above is not a one-time-solution, all clear, simple easy and well From Now On.

    Healing is a long process. Many start and abandon it because often enough in the process, there is pain. And then you wonder: why am I doing this if I feel so much pain?

    This is where people often abandon The Healing Path, as I call it.

    anita

    #101300
    Ahmed
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Yes it is very sad and I could not stop crying while writing it, but it made me think about something that have rattled my head for years, and it is related to the religion of Islam, but please bare with me as this was very critical point in my thinking towards abuse, and the use of releigion to make an excuse for abuse, please bare with me here as this is not about religion as it is about the man who I my thinkings held the respect and appreciation of more nonmuslims comparing to Muslims, this man is prophet Mohamed. In Islamic religion since there are two major sources, which are the Quran the book of Islam, and the teachings of prophet Mohamed which are represented in a leagacy oh habits and sayings.
    You might say this is too complicated or meaningless but it held a great affect to me, I can not say I was a Muslim by choice, rather than by blood. But when ever I would read about God or his prophets I was always convinced that this is righteous, but I have always wondered about this saying of prophet Mohamed, that was related to prayer and when we should ask our children to pray, and at what age we should start to teach them to pray.

    I have to go to attack another point here which without I cannot explain what am saying, again bare with me please, the Arabic language is one of the richest languages in the world, and I have considered it to, and Arabs at the era when Islam appeared were very expert in the Arabic language, that the knowledge of someone with it is something that every body cherish and admire, I can tell that the leagacy of litruture in the Arabic language, would need multiple life’s to add it to your life time, in order to collect and understand that legacy, in my sence of acknowledgement, it is one of that most languages that are rich in meaninging, in a sence that one word could have more than one meaning depending on the way you pronounce it, the context, the drvitive of that word, and many other, let’s take an example here, and yes we are so close to the conclusion, this word in Arabic is “ضرب” pronounced as “darb”, in origin this word means the movement of one object form point “a” to point “b”, for example if you add road to it, it would mean that you are traveling the road from one point to another, if you add with gun to it, it means you are firing a bullet using a gun that is moving from where you stand to the point you are aiming to. Currently, in slang Arabic it means beating some one, the word just lost its meaning like that!

    So this saying of prophet Mohamed is, that you should teach your children to pray at 7, and you “ضرب” or “drab” them at ten.
    I had wondered too much at this message, is prophet Mohamed saying that it is ok to hit our children, and that we should hit them at the age of ten to do it, and as much as it is devastating, this is the commen knowldge now, to me this made no sense, I never believed it, and I was never been hit to pray, but I was been hit for other stuff and once for fun!
    How much can this confuse me, until this morning when I searched deep, for that very reasonable meaning.
    I have to go again to Arabic language here, the word “ضرب” or “drab” was never used by Arab as a action of hitting some one unless you add a description of using a tool of hitting after it, like if you add with/by hand, it means you hit by the hand, and if you add with/by sword, it will be meaning being hit by a saword, it means that you will use this tool and move it from one point in the dricetion to another intended point, that how actually hitting happens, you move your hand from one point to another which is the place you intend to hit. It is very logic.

    Back again to the saying, we are talking about prayer here, and in the next part prophet Mohamed says that you “ضرب” or “darb” your children for prayer at the age of ten, which means that take your children from one place to another to pray, which is a mosque, it does not mean to hit your children to pray, you have to use something to hit, and there is no any meaning in this saying that held the intention of using something like in English the word “with/by” or in Arabic the letter “ب”, and it even have a greater meaning, that you should not take your children to mosque, coz they are children and would not understand that, and should just enjoy their childhood. And that at the age of 10 you are beginning to form adulthood.

    this is a great message for the Muslims who thinks that they are eligible to hit there children for prayer, which I have never heard or seen a kid being hit to pray, sure it is happining, but it is the major execuse that any Muslim would take to accept him self hitting his children.

    We have just lost our religion when we lost our language. Which is a more important message for all humanity, is that the ignorance in the feed for abuse!

    I know that this might not interest you as much, but it really had a great meaning to me today, and I had just had to explain to my niece the meaning of this word, she just turned ten, and her dad just told her that saying on her birthday so she prays, he was saying it with a sence of humor, he did not hit his doughter to pray, but he was making it clear that he has the right to do it if she did not pray, you can not see how much her face just brightened and it really did when she understood the meaning of that word.
    I have sent the link that I found explaining in proof all that, to my sis and I’ll make sure her husband gets the message, but I need to be careful with that, it is not easy to tell some one that what you have been told for decades is not true!

    I guess you will understand me here, I actually do not pray, and this saying had put me off praying for long time, I just could not do something under threat, am too hardheaded 🙂

    Hope that this would mean something for you, it is a very big deal to me!

    Xaas,

    #101336
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Xaas:

    Since this is a big deal to you, this topic, i will re-read it with a “fresh brain” tomorrow (Sat) morning, my time.

    anita

    #101356
    Ahmed
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Yes please, this is my approach to make other understand the issue, I have to perfect it as a methadology, I’ll be the master of it!

    Xaas,

    #101366
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Xaas:

    My sleeping did wonders for me; I was able to easily follow your post this morning, unlike last night.

    From reading your last longer post, I learned that you hold great respect to the Arabic language, its complexity and richness, and you regret some words lost their meanings or are used incorrectly. You also have great respect and a good feeling since childhood to the teachings of Mohammad.

    I also learned that you care a lot about this specific word, darb, in that specific instruction: to darb one’s children at the age of 10 if they don’t pray. You believe that since most Muslims today think of darb as to hit, then they proceed to follow the instruction. You would like to teach people that the word darb does not mean to hit, but is about directing the parent perhaps to not move the child from point A (home) to point B (the mosque) so to pray. But you know it is difficult to change people’s understanding that they had for many years.

    Do you have ambitions about educating more and more people about the meaning of the word darb, intending that by that you will reduce physical beating of children?

    I have more thoughts, but will be waiting for the answer of this last question.

    anita

    #101369
    Ahmed
    Participant

    Hi Anitta,

    I defiantly have all the ambition to educate more people about the meaning of DARB.
    I just came home and will go out again now, I will attend to the rest of your posts tonight, i just had to tell that I Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo…….infinity!

    Love, Ziad! by the way that is my real name 🙂

    #101370
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Ziad:

    I like your defiant ambition!

    And my real name is…

    anita

    #101374
    Ahmed
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I somehow cannot get the last line in your last post.
    Am still out and using my mobile.

    Ziad,

    #101377
    Ahmed
    Participant

    Anita,
    it is amazing what a good sleep can benefit you, you get in a different state, physically, mentally and spiritually. do you no that the only sense that is still working while you are sleeping is hearing?

    what more thoughts were you talking about?

    Ziad,

    #101398
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Ziad:

    The “more thoughts” I was referring to is regarding your efforts to save a child from being hit by teaching the parents that darb does not mean to hit. If a parent doesn’t … need to hit their child but does it so to obey the instruction (to hit a child at 10 if they don’t pray), then you will be very helpful to such a parent. But if a parent hits their child so to relieve their distress, in anger, intending to hurt, then how will you be helping that (one more of so many) unfortunate child?

    anita

    #101409
    Ahmed
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I guess i was not clear enough, this was not the mean, the purpose, to just stop hitting kids for not praying, as i have told you i never heard of a kid being hit for not praying, I just see this as the best approach for dealing with child abuse. You might say that this works only for Muslims, no it works because i believe in it, it will work because I will master that approach that no one will have any questionability regarding it, because simply there is not, it is just we can not see it.
    In regards off someone hitting his children for just stress relief, to distress in action when angry, that is not a human nature, this person is sick, he needs help, he needs treatment. he just was abused, and decided to be an abuser not a victim, but no one showed them the road to healing! and when you show them that path, and they are not believing, they are just blind, and blind people can not care that much for children, they need help for caring for their children, lots of help for caring for them selves, just like that! if they just can not see how much they are blind, they do not deserve the git of children, it is hard very hard, but that is life, it is either we chose to live it with love or with hate, in the show or in the dark, and as much as someone tries to pull us from the dark, we will resist as much as we can, we see it as our comfort zone, and if we were forced to get out of darkness, we will step back when we get the chance, someone cannot get out of the dark without taking the first step in his mind, realizing i cannot live in the dark any more, than when we get in the light we will have all the help we need to stay in the light, not the help forcing us to stay out of the dark, I did when I realized how much am strong in the light, and how much am week in the dark, that is when i was out of the dark, that is when I told you my real name!

    Love, Ziad,

    #101418
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Ziad:

    I understand now, I think, the meaning behind you telling me your real name: coming out of the dark where you were weak into the light where you are strong. In the light, you tell me, the world here on tiny buddha: My name is Ziad.

    You make yourself known. There is much freedom and healing in making yourself known, from your name to your thoughts, your beliefs, your feelings, hopes and values.

    You want to help other children, prevent their abuse, so that they don’t suffer your pain. This is your value and indeed, in having this value you are a source of light for me; you brighten my day announcing your name and your value of helping others.

    This path, educating abusers, parents who may or do abuse their children, require tons of patience as it is most difficult to change a person, to … make them see what they do not want to see.

    Hope you keep posting on this thread, again and again. I am so very curious and interested in reading more and more from you. Please post when you are discouraged and when you are encouraged, Ziad.

    anita

    #101454
    Ahmed
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    You got it right, but i conciser this as just a step, it is just my first name! Yes there is much freedom, not feeling shame, and there is more freedom when you feel that you do not have to cover-up any more, not having any thing to lose, by making my self known, you do not feel the tie of cover-up, the fear of being know, and i just cannot be afraid any more.

    I loved children very much, and they feel my love and love me back, i just can be a friend with any child of any age in just 20 min, you just give him his freedom, when he wants to come to you, you let him and when he wants to go away you let him, and you notice and acknowledge them, you do not suffocate them, I have this friend whose sun plays a game with his sister where he acts he is me, I just wish he would not be me!

    I sometimes wonder why children would love a person like me, so damaged inside, may be they feel it, may be they see the strength of someone and how much he had suffered, specially toddlers, there eye expressions are wonderful, their eye messages are very meaningful.
    I can say i have some knowledge in reading other persons from their eyes, your eye can never lie, when you are happy it shows, when you are sad it shows, when you are lying it shows. I have read about it a lot too!

    I just could not comment on your third paragraph, this is too much for me!

    I know how much the effort needed, to change someone, only one thing about someone, but it is doable, I guess you just have to differentiate between the ones who are totally blind, and do not waste your effort with them, and the ones who are struggling and need some one to show them the path to light, it is to bright for them to step out, and need someone to hold their hands when they have to close their eyes. and i know someone who just did this with me, who showed me the light, who held my hand when i just closed my eyes because it was hurting in the light, it was not easy for her, it was not easy on me, but we got it some how, her name is Anita! 🙂

    I will keep posting on this thread, I wish i just someday could do more than this, to write my story with my full name on it, and with my best picture above it. with out those who i read their story on hear, and seen through their eyes and knowing their names cave me an endless amount of hope. I wish i could share my story someday, there are much to learn from, I did, learn to be that compassionate person who every body cherish regardless of his failures, who every body just wishes to help, regardless of he is being disappointing.

    I really sometimes wonder why people would love to share there time with someone like me, but i guess they see in me something that i couldn’t have ever seen, even in the mirror. enjoy this encouraged an yet discouraged post 🙂

    And by they way, I will just keep signing in with my alias, and signing my real name at the end, something like a reminder for my self, how i did accomplish it. it might someday encourage some one to step into the light.

    one last question and I will leave you alone, did you watch Brené Brown ted talks, this women is just amazing! I will keep on following her work.

    Love, Ziad,

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