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  • #114736
    Anonymous
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    Dear jjcooper789:

    What a read! My goodness! I read your post very attentively. It is, of course, a sad story of abuse.

    Your description of your wife’s behavior is very similar to my mother’s behavior. Your insight is extensive. Like you I also came to the conclusion that what I suffered from, as a result of being with my mother, was Complex PTSD. I gained many of your own insights that you detailed throughout your post.

    You asked at the end of it: when is this nightmare going to end?

    Hopefully before you die. Hopefully, as soon as possible.

    As I read your post I saw in my mind’s eye the image of an elephant that was chained to one place by a lock around its ankle. As a baby elephant, that was enough to prevent it from breaking free but as an adult elephant, it doesn’t. Why? Being locked, imprisoned has become what is Normal for the elephant. It adapted to the imprisonment. Breaking free would expose it to a life that seems Abnormal, unfamiliar, unpracticed.

    There is a physiological mechanism in living things called homeostasis. Our bodies operates so that its temperature is the same no matter if it is summer or winter; our blood glucose is the same, or strives to be the same no matter what we eat. In a similar way, our brains strive for sameness, mental-homeostasis (my term). So when you have been imprisoned for so long in your marriage, your brain adjusted and it became normal.

    If it didn’t become normal for you, it would have been way more distressing than it has been. Can you imagine? Not much different from a prisoner getting institutionalized: if not, the imprisonment would be unbearably distressing. So the prisoner makes the best of the circumstances: gets lots of pleasure from eating or making alcohol from fruits served at lunch… from playing chess with other prisoners and so forth. And when released from prison many experience so much distress that they commit a crime just so to go back to prison.

    When will this nightmare end? It will take courage on your part; courage to break through the distress of exiting the Normal to the Abnormal, the fear of leaving the sameness. Help from another person may be necessary for you. In the US there are shelters for abused spouses, designed to help the spouse in this transition from the normal to the abnormal.

    Would like to communicate further with you and hope you will post again.

    anita

    #114785
    Adam P
    Participant

    Hey JJ,
    After reading your life story, there’s too much to write to help you out, but rather this:
    I’m in my twenties. I experienced a smaller sample of what you are going through, but was still left with a big hurt. You know what helps:
    -No Contact
    -Pray/or meditate for them
    -Don’t worry about getting final say
    Enjoy

    #114795
    Call Me Ishmael
    Participant

    Dear jjcooper7889:

    The sympathy and empathy I feel for you and your situation, on many levels, made your post very hard for me to read.

    For me to say that I am so very sorry for the terrible abuse you have suffered and endured for so long is wholly inconsequential in the face of all that you have been through. Nonetheless, I am sorry that you have suffered so much.

    First, I want to be clear and say that I am not an expert on any psychological disease or issue, and that I am in no way a professional, or even an aspiring amateur, in the fields of Psychology or Psychiatry. The thoughts I offer below are based only on my own personal experiences, and the research I have done to better understand those experiences.

    Many things you wrote suggest to me that your wife has a personality disorder, or a combination of personality disorders, possibly borderline personality disorder (BPD), narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), or anti-social personality disorder (APD). From what I have read, it is possible for people to have a double diagnosis of more than one personality disorder.

    Other psychiatric disorders can co-occur (can be comorbid) with personality disorders, too, such as: affective disorders (depression, bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder) substance abuse disorders, post-traumatic stress disorder, major depression, bulimia nervosa, etc.

    I urge you to do the research on these disorders, particularly BPD and NPD. There is plenty of information freely available on the Internet (including support websites and forums) and much more detailed information available in books that you can purchase. I think many of your questions about why she behaves that way will begin to be answered.

    I also very strongly urge and encourage you to explore the possibility of you finding—as Anita so rightly defines—“a competent, empathetic psychotherapist” to help you better (and eventually fully) understand and effectively process what you have been through and suffered. From what I have read, it is very common for folks to greatly benefit from therapy when decompressing from relationships (particularly long-term relationships) with people who have personality disorders. I urge you to consider finding a therapist not only because it has been of benefit to others, but also because of the “dark disturbing thoughts,” the “overwhelming feelings and emotions,” you feel on a “daily basis,” the “constant anxiety” and “surges of adrenaline” and “body aches” you are experiencing. I fear for your short-term and most definitely for your long-term well-being.

    Please empower yourself with research and knowledge, and particularly with the professional help of someone who is knowledgeable in the things with which you are dealing. I suggest that by doing so you will take the first steps to facilitate your extraction from the relationship, and ultimately recovering from what you have endured.

    For what it may be worth, I believe that you CAN extract yourself from this, that you CAN recover, and that you CAN have a much, much, MUCH happier life afterward.

    I hope the very best for you.

    Sincerely,

    CMI

    #114811
    Adam P
    Participant

    JJ,
    Piggybacking off what Ishmael posted, I would recommend help. If you go to YouTube and search “Robert Wong self redirection” channel you will find hundreds of videos on overcoming toxic relationships and self improvement. If you wish to improve, this is a great first step that requires nothing more than an internet connection. Once you have established your mindset the rest will follow. All the best to you.
    Thank you and take care
    -AP85

    #114916
    John
    Participant

    Thanks to all for the responses. I have researched extensively on anything and everything that I think is related to both my behaviour and that of my wife. I have tried therapy and medication and found no answers to my dilemma. I know that the solution is to leave and never look back but that never seems to work out or I can not bring myself to do it again even though I have managed to leave temporarily on a couple of occasions. The long term problems have brought me to this point. I know I am brainwashed, conditioned, institutionalised and totally screwed up by it all.

    #114917
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear jjcooper7889:

    Your situation is very difficult but not hopeless. Clearly you don’t need more information and intellectual insight into your situation. What you need, if I may state it this way, is a safe place where you will be protected and comforted during a time of transition from the old to the new, that is a person to help you. it can be a competent, empathetic therapist and/or a friend who will open their home to you for the long time it will take for you to transition.

    anita

    #114998
    John
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    All the things you suggest have been in place for a long time. I have a wonderful friend with whom I have confided and she is very understanding. My therapist was very sympathetic but I’m not sure she really understood the problem. She focussed on CBT and strategies to face my fears and overcome what she diagnosed as a phobia. She seemed to think that my negative feelings were a result of my thoughts, which seemed to be way off the mark as the bad feelings seem to come over me in a spontaneous way even when I am not thinking about my situation. Also, I have moments of clarity when I think about my problems and the bad feelings don’t always emerge and at such times I wonder what I have been struggling with all these years. At such times all my problems do not exist but this feeling never lasts long. My therapist seemed to think that facing my fears would help in the same way that other phobias can be overcome through gradual conditioning and gradual acceptance that nothing bad is going to happen. The reality is that everyday I am exposed to the source of what causes my anxiety and have been continuously exposed for 35 years. If anything, the exposure is now making things worse. It’s as if the fear feeds the phobia and the phobia feeds the fear so it is a feedback loop that is spiralling out of control. Something is out of control within me and the only thing that brings very temporary relief is alcohol. Fortunately, even relatively small quantities can do this and I know there are no answers there. I seem to be stuck in this place like the chained elephant and have recognised this behaviour in me for several years. There is nothing stopping me leaving right now other than myself. I need to do something to make the problem go away but first I must find the key to unlock the chain within me. I feel that something might happen soon as the pain of staying is becoming so great but part of me thinks that nothing will change as I have lived like this for such a long time. Leaving? How hard can it be? Impossible it seems, as every few days I set myself leaving deadlines, which come and go like night follows day. Then I set myself a new deadline. The idea of leaving has become an obsession that is also out of control. I know what needs to be done but can’t seem to do it. I must be an extreme co-dependent, people pleaser, or rather a person pleaser as it only seems to apply to my wife and not to the other people in my life that really matter to me. I know it is all tied up with the emotional abuse and psychological aggression that I was subjected to for a long time, which is largely absent these days and nothing like it once was but the damage that was done years ago has permanence. The conditioning lasts a lifetime once it is hard-wired and the training is complete and the behaviour has been learned.

    #115003
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear jjcooper7889:

    I think you are ready to move out, to leave this hellish marriage. I get this feeling, that you are ready by reading your last post. Just when it seems so impossible, once you leave, you will wonder (this is my prediction): how can it be so easy? You will be amazed by how easy it was.

    It seems so difficult from where you are now, but once you cross to the other side (away from a life with her), it may boggle your mind: why didn’t I do it before? It is so easy…

    Like the elephant, I suppose, with the ankle chain, breaking free was so easy: the chain was not even felt. It just lifted its leg and it broke. It took a step forward, no problem. And it exclaims: That is all? That was all that was too it?

    Your therapist may not have been correct in her analysis. She may have had a limited understanding of you and your situation, focusing on one corner of the picture, persistently shedding light on that corner and ignoring the rest of the picture.

    At this point, if you get into a robotic mode of action: removing your own focus from your thoughts (in your head) to your chained leg (back to the elephant comparison), and lift that leg, take a step forward…. no thinking, just doing the steps to get out… not thinking until you are on the other side.

    anita

    #115038
    John
    Participant

    I hope you are right in thinking that I am ready to make changes. Emotions have been running high for a long time but the intensity seems to be escalating even further to the point that I need to do something to make things different than they are at the moment. I am wondering if the tipping point is when the emotional pain of staying becomes greater than the emotional pain of leaving. I am resolved to try to get out but then that has always been the case for a very long time.

    #115039
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear jjcooper7889:

    I hope I am correct as well. I think you have a good point about the pain in staying being greater than the pain of leaving. It is exciting, really, the idea that a man who has been severely abused like you have been for three and a half decades will probably break free of the abuse. The values of Freedom and justice come to mind. If you only fell in love with the value, the principle of Freedom and then just followed that value blindly, at this point. You’ve done a whole lot of thinking and it did not serve you at all. All that thinking… maybe following that value, like a robot, or an automation, as I suggested before. Make a plan, a very simple plan: 1, 2, 3.. one step at a time, and execute without thinking.

    From slavery to freedom. There is no way to intellectually prepare to free yourself. If there was such a way, you would already be free. You thought enough.

    anita

    #115238
    John
    Participant

    Last night I tried to discuss my problems with my wife. I tried to explain to her about my deep emotional pain and turmoil and that the source is rooted in the abuse I have suffered and my overwhelming desire to escape from the anxiety. I explained to her again the deep traumas that her behaviors have inflicted upon me. I’m terrified of her, which is totally irrational. It’s like a poison in me. I just want to run away and never look back, which is clearly a result of our unhealthy and toxic relationship. I raised the subject in the hope of getting some agreement on what we should do next. It’s as if I need her permission to leave and without that I will go nowhere. She holds the key to my brainwashing and it feels like she is the only one that can set me free from this prison without bars. Needless to say she got very upset and at times was clearly angry with me. It turned into something of a lecture about herself and her issues totally unrelated to the relevant topic. She will not release me by giving me the permission that I need in order to be free. I wish she would throw me out on the street as I am at a loss as to how I can achieve what needs to be done. I’m still stuck. Just like I have been for over three decades and I am sick of it.

    #115266
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Broken Man:

    What will be the end of this, I wonder. Will you stay in ” this prison without bars” for the rest of your days and nights with her? Maybe. Maybe this is it for you.

    To think that in reality you have the key to your freedom, but … if you believe the key is with her, then your belief is all that matters.

    Fear is what’s keeping you in this prison. Maybe anger as well. Maybe you believe that you deserve it. And your hope is that she will decide one day that you no longer deserve it.

    Do you deserve it?

    anita

    #115715
    Yasir Khan
    Participant

    Dear Broken Man,

    I registered on this website only so I may reply to this post. I have been exactly in your situation. To the ‘T’. I am 31 years now but was with this girl for like 5 years and frankly I don’t know what deed of my ancestors was loved by God that fortunately the circumstances didn’t allow us to get married. I didn’t understand this 6 months back when we broke up. I was devastated. For the last 5 years we were on and off. On times were the best. But off times were the worst. And the off times were triggered by Her and her controlling behaviour. I was someone who was so emotionally entrenched in the relationship that I couldn’t leave. She cheated on me again and again and I took her back when she came crying crawling back. The worst part is that I was walking on egg shells every time I was with her. A small trigger (and no ones fault) could have been sufficient to trigger her worst side and if a week would pass by in romance, the next 3 weeks would be me trying to communicate and get through her, or pacify her down. We would have broken off and got back like a 100 times through out these 5 years.

    After thorough investigations on my side I concluded that she had BPD. Of course there is no evidence or clinical investigation behind this, but having known her so well and reading so extensively about personality disorders, this is the closest explaination I can give to her behaviours.

    We broke up 6 months back, I was devastated, finding it very difficult to leave, had tendencies to keep going back again and again. I am living in a different country than my family/relatives/friends for 6 years now and no support group made it worst.

    I agree with you completely on the fact that its really difficult to leave. The guilt trips they leave for us are so dangerous to navigate that you have tendencies to never leave on your terms or even if you leave you tend to keep going back. But post breakup therapy help me a great deal. It was only after a few months that I started coming out of the FOG (Fear, Obligation, Guilt, search for this on google) and I started seeing the relationship for what it is. And it is remarkable how you have such a clear understanding of what is happening to you WHILE you are in the relationship, because most people are not able to see clearly unless they don’t come out of it.

    I am not as experienced in life as you are, but let me tell you one thing that I know. There IS peace and love on the other side. Peace of moving away from abuse, love of what YOU can provide to YOURSELF. And believe me, not even a single day in such a relationship is worth it than compromising your own self-respect as a man by being in such a relationship. One thig I have learnt out of this sad but great experience is that I will NEVER let anyone, NOONE treat me like how my ex treated me. Contrary to what I had thought for all these 5 years that she loved me, she didn’t. Because control, manipulation and pain is never love. You have loads of time in front of you, time to give yourself and the world your best. You still can get out, recover and take back control of your life. But remember that recovery is possible only when you get out and maintain no contact. Thats only when therapy will work. Not when you take therapy for 1 hour to go back home and suffer abuse for 23 hours of the day.

    Peace

    Khan85

    #115768
    John
    Participant

    Kahn85,
    Thank you for your words on the subject and I am sorry to hear of your problems. The FOG certainly messes with ones head to the point of irrational behaviour. Seeing things as they really are helps a lot but doesn’t alter the fact that immense psychological damage is done by such people and their behaviour. Why they carry on as they do is a complete mystery to me but they must be very twisted people themselves. I have studied just about all the relevant information I can access through the internet and found some answers and insights. As with your situation I have wondered if my wife has a personality disorder but what I have found doesn’t seem to quite fit exactly but certainly something has been very wrong. Around 6 months ago I left for 4 weeks but went back. Since then, her behaviour as been that of a normal person and the attacks have stopped but it feels very false. I sense that she is holding back all the time so I am still walking on eggshells knowing that inside there is a rage just waiting and building as in the cycle of abuse.

    #115867
    Adam P
    Participant

    Remember Broken Man,
    Abusers never change. It’s usually physical abusers that everyone associates with, but verbal and mental abuse is just the same. As you stated the “normal” behavior is just an act and anger is building up everyday. Again I wish you all the best and even though you are scared to leave, the time will come when you have had enough and will walk away from all of this.
    All the best
    Thank you and take care.
    -AP85

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