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October 14, 2022 at 4:55 am #408454Katrine NielsenParticipant
Yes i would like that. Maybe that would help me react less to when i am being rejected, or feeling like i am being rejected.
October 14, 2022 at 5:10 am #408455TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
unfortunately I need to leave for a few hours but will get back to you a little later to continue our conversation… talk to you later!
October 14, 2022 at 9:26 am #408462Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
1) yes that feeling of going crazy because I thought he liked me and then being rejected was extremely painful. I am very protective of myself and doesn’t usually ask a man out on a date. But the more i think it over and the way he acts around my female colleagues i am now certain that his rejection wasn’t because because of a lack of feelings but something else. This us a emormous relief! I am better at reading people than i give myself credit for.
I’m also learning about psychology, trauma responses, attachment styles etc. To learn about how it all affects our behaviour. This is really helpful. Trauma makes you react in I rational ways. Like when the guy i liked started to make a pass at me, i bolted and ended up with a guy that i knew wasn’t good for me. Or all the times i cancel led plans with my friends because i was convinced that they didn’t really like me, even though they kept showing me that they did (self dabotaging behaviour, pushing away the people closets to me)
2) i am getting better at seeing the patterns in my behaviour. Like my anxiety with a guy only kicks in when I’m starting to attach or really like the person. It’s when it gets vulnerable and there’s a change that i could get rejected. Both me and him weren’t in any way awkward with each other the first one or two months. That happened after pretty much at the same time. Here is where i need to learn not to shut down and ignored the person. But to take a step forward and be vulnerable to show him, you are making advances at me and I accept those advances. Not expect him to be a mindreader.
3)learning to communicate. Since both me and him are very indirect to protect ourselves there’s too much room for misunderstandings. Speaking up for myself and being authentic. Try to repair any damage instead of cutting people of without trying to fix it. It’s a proces but I’m getting better.
3) try not to take things too personally. In Regards to his birthday party, is not exactly new that they go partying together without me. They have been doing that for months and they know his friends well now. I also really don’t like these parties which they know. a
Looking at him with compassion. After all we have a lot in common in our behaviour. We both have trauma, anxiety and diagnosis. And we are both working on it, it is not a smooth sailing by any means.
I am also exhausted. I am a month in on 3-4 hour sleep every night, overtime 9-10 shifts in a row, heart ache, two weeks in extreme pain and health expensive that’s gonna cost me four times my rent. Am my short holiday of going home to family couldn’t go because flight tickets were way too expensive.
October 14, 2022 at 10:20 am #408464TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
I was just about to write to when you posted… I am so sorry that you were in extreme pain and that you needed expensive health treatment (if I understood well?). Are you getting better now?
You made a great summary of all the things you’ve learned from this experience. I guess it’s easy to forget that and focus on the negative – specially when you are in pain, not just emotional but also physical! Besides being in pain, you haven’t slept much for a month, you worked too much and you feel exhausted. I hope that you’re not in pain any longer and that you can finally get some proper rest.
In recent days you felt rejected by your colleagues, however in the meanwhile you’ve realized that there were times in the past when you cancelled plans with your friends because you thought they don’t like you. You pushed them away before they could do that to you:
Or all the times i cancelled plans with my friends because i was convinced that they didn’t really like me, even though they kept showing me that they did (self sabotaging behaviour, pushing away the people closets to me)
You also said that when you were suffering from depression, people eventually stopped asking you to go out with them, because you always said no:
I mean other people have done that to me before. Would have been nice to have been invited anyway. Like when i had a depression people stopped asking me cuz i always said no, but not being asked hurt a lot. Makes you feel like they don’t care.
So you can see that often it’s not that people don’t like you and want to exclude you, but that you feel not good enough and sort of exclude yourself first. You reject yourself (self-sabotage) before others can reject you.
It’s good that you see this pattern, which has been happening not just with the guys you liked, but also with your friends and colleagues. The pattern is: reject them before they can reject you.
Now that you see the behavior, you can work on changing it. But first, I think you should get plenty of rest if possible, before continuing working on your trauma response and other mental health topics. Will you have the opportunity to rest and relax in the following days?
October 14, 2022 at 3:35 pm #408476Katrine NielsenParticipantI am fortunatly not in physically pain any more,but I am working 11 days in a row to help pay for this treatment so not a lot of rest. Sleep has always been a problem because of my PTSD, the only time i have had a time with a 6-7 hour nights sleep was when a lived with the guy i was with earlier this year.
I have a lot of patterns to u learn. I’ve found out that I’m quite the hypocrite. Most of the hurtful things the cute guy did, I have done myself. So i am not really in a potition to be mad at him.
I think compassion is the key here, we both have a lot of self sabotaging behaviour to try and keep us safe, but really it only does the opposite. I nearly cancelled my housewarming because they were late. My anxiety took over and said they don’t care and they don’t really want to be here. You might as well cancel. Also trying to be very i dependent, like i don’t need anybody i have myself. Self sabotaging behaviour has been a very big blindspot. Couldn’t begin to see it until i got diagnosed.
The feeling of being left out still hurts. I went home early from the staff party yesterdaylike i always do. Being in a party setting and everybody being drunk and a ting out is not my thing. It also makes me feel jeloux. Seeing my two friends cling to the guy i like for obvious reasons. But also seeing everybody having fun while drinking. It send me back to High school. Always feeling like the odd man out, and that I’m suposed to enjoy it. I just doesn’t.
October 15, 2022 at 1:21 am #408480TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
I am glad your physical pain is gone! But I understand you’re now forced to work a lot, to pay for your medical treatment. I do hope you won’t have to do it for much longer, and that you’ll be able to return to normal working hours.
Sleeping only 3-4 hours per night is a problem… it seems to be related to not being in a relationship, because earlier this year you were in a relationship, living with a man, and you could sleep normally. Perhaps it’s connected to you feeling anxious alone vs. more peaceful and content when in a relationship. Being single adds to your anxiety, which in turns causes problem with your sleep?
The feeling of being left out still hurts. I went home early from the staff party yesterdaylike i always do. Being in a party setting and everybody being drunk and a ting out is not my thing. It also makes me feel jeloux. Seeing my two friends cling to the guy i like for obvious reasons. But also seeing everybody having fun while drinking. It send me back to High school. Always feeling like the odd man out, and that I’m suposed to enjoy it. I just doesn’t.
You don’t need to enjoy wild parties with lots of drinking and loud music. I myself have never been a fan of such parties… I’ve tried it but it wasn’t for me. So I never really went, or went only a few times and then stopped.
But I see your problem – you crave to be included, to be accepted… and you are not getting that. Maybe sometimes you go to those parties in hope of some love and connection, but it doesn’t happen… In all honesty, one of the reasons it doesn’t happen is because people get drunk, and they cannot really connect in a meaningful way if they are drunk. They are not themselves. You couldn’t even connect with anyone meaningfully in such an atmosphere…
But you experience it differently – you feel hurt and rejected, because it triggers the old wound of rejection. Someone without this wound would say “Nah, I am not going to another party like this because this is total chaos, everybody’s drunk and I feel stupid watching others getting drunk. I’ll rather go to XY place, where there is no alcohol and I can talk to people and mingle.”
But I understand why you can’t say this, why it hurts to feel excluded, even from a bunch of drunk guys.
Because you feel not worthy enough, not good enough… And as I’ve said before, I think it all stems from your emotional neglect in childhood. You might have experienced exclusion more acutely in high school, because that’s when belonging to a peer group is super important to us. For me too, the first time I’ve experienced exclusion was in high school, not earlier. I felt ugly and boring, like no one wants to spend time with me because I am so uninteresting, I am so worthless really. That was my thinking back then…
Later I’ve realized that I felt so inferior compared to my peers because of my mother’s treatment of me. My mother’s severe criticism led me to feel worthless. For you, it’s probably your parents’ emotional neglect. They weren’t there for you, and so you concluded that you are worthless of their time and attention. That something is terribly wrong with you.
I guess we’ve talked already about the inner child healing, which you would need in order to get rid of the sense of worthlessness. Becoming a good parent to yourself, embracing that little girl that often felt alone and abandoned. That’s the ultimate cure, and it helped me as well…
October 15, 2022 at 3:54 am #408482Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
I have always felt like if i have a partner then i can do anything. Mening that having just one person in your corner that likes you and all the health benefits you get from hugging someone that loves you. It was like having a man sleeping next to me calmed my nervous system. We as humans are wired for human conection and I have been alone my entire life. No boyfriends (same cycle. Guy shows interest through long time i start believing it, takes a step forward then gets ghosted) never been good at keeping friendships. Once we don’t work or go to the same school we lise contact. So all my life i have worked towards being good emough. Cuz if I were then i would have people in my life.
The staff party was hard because one everybody gets wasted, they are not the selve and I get jeloux. Seeing them cling and flirt with the guy i like. They said some months ago that he was sending me good signals and that they would help me out with him because of my anxiety, but they never did. They kept seeing him as a group outside of work without including me and I think that’s why i hurts extra. I feel like they betrayed my trust, and not acting very much like friends.
They only have this flirting behaviour when they all get drunk. I don’t like drunk people, you never know what the will do.
He (the cute guy) also made me a bit uncomfortble. He did smile and say hi to me, then he mingled and talked with everybody, but then decided to walk up and stand right next to me for a long time just sipping his drink not talking just standing close to me(there was plenty of space got him to stand else where) that hurt me. It was awkward.
October 18, 2022 at 4:50 pm #408679AnonymousGuestDear Katrine Nielsen:
I wish that someday, you will have that “one person in your corner that likes you and all the health benefits you get from hugging someone who loves you“. Last you posted was 3 days ago. How are you today/ tonight?
anita
October 19, 2022 at 10:12 am #408702Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Anita
Good to hear from you. I’m feeling a bit on and off. The staff party was hard on me. So many people at that party and he was there. He did smile and say hi, but it was hard for me because he was mingling and talking with everybody then he walked over at stood right next to me slipping his drink not saying anything. There was so much space in that party bus, so him standing that close was really hard(expecially since I’m not good at these parties) then we had to do an escape room and not only was he (and the two girls) there (like great i have to be locked in a room with you for an hour) our group then got divided into two groups ( i was standing in the front for the small room and they were standing in the back for the bigger room) we had to solve a code to get into the same room. Then he jumped into my group(for the small room) and she told us that one had to join the big group because our room was gonna be smaller but he stayed so someone else had to join the big group. That was a bit uncomfortable for me it felt weird.
I’m still talking it over with my friends. Talked with a guy that he works reception with and he also said that this screams that he did like me. Talking about this particular part is extremely helpful. I think it comes from having my reality denied so many times.
October 19, 2022 at 10:25 am #408703AnonymousGuestDear Katrine Nielsen:
Good to read back from you too! I am wondering: now that you know that he likes you, friends having confirmed it to you repeatedly, as well as members replying to you in this thread…. what is the value of this knowing: what does it mean to you now, and does it mean anything in regard to your future?
anita
October 19, 2022 at 10:58 am #408707Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Anita,
It means everything. Knowing i am not going crazy and that i can trust my perception is just a huge relief! And it will help me next time i am starting to pick up signals from someone. To meet them half way and not bee so avoident for so long, is definitly better to open up sooner.
October 19, 2022 at 11:02 am #408708AnonymousGuestDear Katrine Nielsen:
Your answer reads perfect to me! You are on the right track, Katrine and it makes my day to know this!
anita
October 21, 2022 at 12:37 am #408745TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
I must say I don’t like his behavior, or rather, that his ambivalent behavior leaves you confused and anxious (at least it would leave me anxious if I were in the same situation). He seems to like being physically near you, in your space, but not say anything. It’s almost like torturing you – because he knows you like him and want to be with him, but he’s not giving it to you. Yet, he seeks you and stands close to you, and it’s almost like he enjoys being wanted by you. He enjoys you craving for him…
I am not saying he does it on purpose, but the net effect is that it feels like torture (at least it would to me!) because there is the object of my desire, standing very close to me, almost touching me, but I can’t touch him, can’t do anything, because he said he doesn’t want to be with me. My reaction to this: Arrrrgh! Terribly annoying! And if you like him as much as you said you do, it must be very frustrating for you, not just uncomfortable and weird, as you’ve described it.
If I were you, I wouldn’t allow to be tortured like that by him. If he moves close and just stands there without saying anything, I would move away. Because if you just passively stand there, while he is tempting you with his “untouchable presence”, you in fact allow him to have power over you. In addition, I think it also makes it harder for you to move on, because a part of you is perhaps still hoping that he would change his mind. And so you just stand there, at his mercy…
What do you think?
October 21, 2022 at 7:00 am #408747Katrine NielsenParticipantHi Tee,
I made me uncomfortable and even more so since i was a fish out of water (don’t like when people gets drunk) i stayed put and tried to talk with the people around me. I didn’t want to move since that was my spot and I didn’t want him to drive me out of that one. Him joining my room and not the one with the two girls(my friends and colleagues) was a bit weird to me.
October 21, 2022 at 7:06 am #408749TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
I would like to rephrase the first sentence from my previous post, so that it better expresses what I meant to say:
I must say that I don’t like his behavior, and I am sorry that his ambivalent behavior leaves you confused and anxious (at least it would leave me anxious if I were in the same situation).
So, I don’t like how he behaves, and I am sorry that you are suffering from it. I hope that you can find a way to be less affected by his ambivalent behavior.
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