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January 16, 2016 at 9:19 pm #92801LadybugParticipant
Hi Everyone,
A couple weeks ago I posted about my recently discovered “daddy issues”. It feels relieving to know I’m not alone processing my feelings by myself and can express myself freely. Thank you.
In my last post I expressed how my dad lives a passive life and uses the computer and TV as a means to escape life. Here’s an update: Over the years his lack of action in my life (i.e. bugging me to hang out…) has taken a toll on me. I have self esteem issues and realize how desperate I feel to make sure people like me so they won’t leave me. I also realize I never expect my friends to text me to hang out. The relationships with my family and friends or for some lack of them are all my responsibility. I know this isn’t true and that all relationships are a two way, but still feel it. I think this is because I’ve had to initiate hanging out with the person I was supposed to receive unconditional love from. In my brain and body, I feel that this message that if someone who was supposed to love me unconditionally didn’t bother to bug me to hang out consistently, I must not be worth it, therefore it’s special when someone does want to. Even when my bf of almost 4 years texts me to hang out a part of me still is stunned and wonders why does he want to hang out with me? He must just want to have sex or is lonely or bored… I’m tired of that thought process. I’m working on grieving the death of a relationship with my dad that never was and never will be (unless of course he gets more therapy which he told me he’s not) so I can move past this and change that thought process.
Anyways, my dad asked me if I wanted to grab coffee tomorrow. I’m busy so I told him another time. I’m still really mad at him, but don’t really show it. I’m not sure if this is healthy, but can’t think of another way since I’ve already had 3 conversations with him about not being present in my life throughout the years…all of which follow the same pattern of action being taken the first week then same old inactivity. This shows me that while it was beneficial for me to express my feelings to him, he isn’t going to change his behavior. So what’s the point showing the anger if it isn’t going to achieve anything? I’ve been keeping my distance from him which isn’t that hard since he is mostly on his computer or watching TV.
My dad asking me to hang out is a positive step, but he does this once in a blue moon and I know I shouldn’t get my hopes up that this will magically be consistent. I’m not sure if I even want to hang out with him for coffee, but feel obligated. I don’t even know if he asked me because my mom told him to or if he asked me on his own (my mom tends to nudge him to spend time with his family). Basically, I’m not sure if I should hang out with him. I need some advice on this. I feel angry at him for his inactivity in my life, yet I feel like I should enjoy the rare moment he does initiate because the last time he asked me to hang out was about a year ago (I had to look that up in my past planner since I couldn’t remember!!)January 17, 2016 at 6:58 am #92804InkyParticipantHi Ladybug,
I had a similar thing happen to me a couple weeks ago. My DD and I were on our way to the hairdressers and the cell phone rang. My step mother (who never/rarely calls) wanted me to get down there and see them (!!!). We were legitimately busy as DD was getting highlights so we planned for tomorrow AM.
Well, then my DS’s Special Ed teacher wanted a meeting and of course the only time before the midterms she could meet was that very morning!!
I called the ‘rents and said I was sending my DD down and then I explained my situation. I could feel the disappointment in their voices. I felt truly bad, but then I thought… WAIT!! Half my life I have been angry because they NEVER pick up the phone to see me or the kids. Unless it’s the holidays or they want something! We ALWAYS have to come to them! And then on the rare (RARE!) time they call me I am legitimately busy they are disappointed and sad and perhaps think I’m putting them off?
GOOD! GOOD!! Let them miss me!
Let your Dad miss you. And don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. Maybe your mom really did tell him to do this. Look, the point is he did it! Schedule for another day, let him miss you and LOOK FORWARD to the meeting! Then go have coffee and have a nice time! If you feel really angry, cut the coffee short (the beauty of going out for coffee).
Good Luck,
Inky
January 17, 2016 at 9:43 am #92807AnonymousGuestDear Ladybug:
I think it will be a very good idea to kindly tell your mother that you need her to no longer suggest to your father that he hangs out with you, to no longer apply pressure on him of any kind to connect with you. I hope you trust her to respect this assertion, if you so choose to assert it. This way, you will have one less possibility to ponder regarding his motivation.
Actually, why not tell him, that you asked that of your mother and that you accept, or willing to accept the reality of his lack of motivation to see you, that you are willing to accept his priorities (TV, computer, whatever) as they are… simply because when we accept what is real, when we stop fighting what we can’t change, we get healthier.
Your father is set in his ways. It is about no longer taking it personally. Of course not taking it personally is easier said then done, but it is doable, over time.
Please post again…
anita
January 17, 2016 at 10:53 am #92822AnonymousGuest* Dear Ladybug:
I was wondering, with the focus so far on your relationship with your father, how has your relationship with your mother been all these years? How close have you been with her, she with you?
anitaJanuary 17, 2016 at 10:14 pm #92872LadybugParticipantDear Inky,
It is weird how easy it is to do that–to feel really bad when the one time they want to hang with you you’re busy. I think I’m not at that point where I’m like “miss me!”. I go “miss me–no…wait…I want to spend time with you!!!” My goal is to get there though.
Something urgent happend in my friend’s life and our plans were cancelled last minute so I ended up going to breakfast with my Dad. It actually was nice. He really does want to get to know me. It’s just that he doesn’t know how to connect. He’s like the Kevin Spacey’s character from American Beauty minus the attraction with my friends. He ended up asking if I wanted to see a movie, but I have so much school work to do so I couldn’t. It felt nice to receive the invite. I know though that deep down he invited me because he felt good during our time at breakfast. If he hadn’t I probably would be getting an invite in a year. I’ll remember to not look a gift horse in the mouth.January 17, 2016 at 10:30 pm #92874LadybugParticipantDear Anita,
I never thought of that–tell my mom to stop pressuring him. I feel like in order to do this though I have to tell her right after she pressures him becasue she gets really defensive. I think I will assert myself with her when the time is right becasue the relationship between my dad and me isn’t her business.
I don’t know if I will tell my dad that I told my mom to butt out. Maybe I will. I”m not sure. My dad is so stuck in his ways that I’m not sure if it would help.
I’m close to my mom. She has made it a point to be a part of my life. We hang out about once a week and talk about every other day. She has her quirks and I get annoyed with her at times, but overall I’m appreciative that she tries.January 18, 2016 at 8:18 am #92881AnonymousGuestDear Ladybug:
This may be difficult for you to read, but I am writing here because I believe it is important for your well being even if it is distressing at first…
The flashlight in your home has been directed to your dad, how he is deficient. And I have no doubt he is. But for your own well being, I believe, that the light should shine on everything and that you see the bigger picture.
The fact that your mom has been bickering with your dad over not paying attention to you has not been working for your own good for a long time. Why has she kept doing it all these years? You hear the bickering, you know what is going on and it is hurting you. It only makes you suspicious about his motives when he does attend to you.
The only thing her pressuring him to see you was point the finger at him: look at him, HE is not doing HIS job. It is self serving to her as a defensive person, taking herself out of the picture.
If the relationship with your mom was close enough she would have noticed her pressuring him was distressing to you and ineffective. If the relationship with her was good enough you would have already told her and you wouldn’t be worrying about her being defensive. There would be honesty and safety in communicating with her on such issues so very meaningful to you.
I would shine the light on your relationship with her as well. What is lacking is far from being only a daddy issue.
What do you think?
anita
January 18, 2016 at 4:39 pm #92908LadybugParticipantHi Anita,
I think that’s an interesting perspective. When she has bickered with my dad to hang out with me it’s not in front of me. I have overheard them from another room talking about it. I don’t think she knows that I have heard them before so she wouldn’t have known that her pressuring him was causing me distress.
As for your comment about me worrying about her being defensive that struck home. The last time I confronted her about a behavior issue she said it was all in my head. She has used words like that or “i’m sorry I’m not perfect” and other similar phrases. She’s normally not a manipulative person but when she gets confronted she becomes one. I guess I don’t feel safe confronting her about this because I think I will feel stupid and really embarrassed.January 18, 2016 at 7:14 pm #92918AnonymousGuestDear Ladybug:
Your mother is very limited in her ability to have a close relationship with anyone as long as she refuses to look at herself as being the cause of anything negative. She will do anything to push away anything resembling blame. She does it with your father, using him as a scapegoat, the Guilty One (in more areas than his parenting of you), I have no doubt. And when she feels that you are pointing to anything she may have done wrong, she did not hesitate to be as cruel as to say: “it is all in your head”- in other words…is she saying you are imagining things, crazy…I think so.
I am sorry, Ladybug: a distant relationship with your father AND a very limited one with your mother.
Thing is of the two you have a better chance to improve your relationship with your father than with your mother because he has experience taking blame he deserves and lots that he does not deserve. On the other hand your mother has no such experience.
Your father is too adjusted to taking her blame. He is not likely to admit it if you talk to him. She will not admit to handing all negativity, all blame to to him so to keep herself blameless.
If you were not aware of this and this strikes home, it must be tough, isn’t it? It is better though to be aware of reality because then you have a chance to deal with what is real. When not aware, you suffer the consequences of reality without knowing enough of what is really going on.
Please post again…
anitaJanuary 18, 2016 at 7:37 pm #92924AnonymousGuestDear Ladybug:
I am concerned. I brought something to your awareness that was not there as clearly before and it may cause you some distress. I am worried. If this is distressing, please soothe yourself the best you can, hot bath, tea… write in a journal, or here… I will be back at the computer in 8 hours or so, and if you’d like we can communicate back and forth about this.
I am concerned that you may want to reach out to your mother and that she will not, as I predict, will not comfort you if she feels any kind of a hint of blame. And then she will attack you further… blame you because nothing can be her fault.
Please do not reach out to her. If you have friends, any good friend, reach out to him or her.
Please do take care of yourself:
anita
January 19, 2016 at 9:33 am #92998LadybugParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you for your concern. I’m alright. I’m aware that my mom isn’t perfect so that image has long shattered. That tidbit is awakening because I had thought I felt safe going to her for anything. In most cases, yes I do feel comfortable going to her. It’s not black and white with her. There are times when she is apologetic and then times when she becomes manipulative and defensive when I confront her with an issue. I guess what sucks is the inconsistency. It is easier and feels safer to go up to my dad and express my feelings because he’s pretty consistent with his responses. I don’t usually feel stupid with him. With my mom I risk feeling like a crazy person if I confront her with an issue. I remember there was a confrontation between my mom and I and I had wrote her a letter about it with the intention of giving it to her, but never did. I believe now I didn’t want to risk feeling crazy. A couple months ago we had an argument and I expressed my anger when she has said those things, especially when she has told me “it’s in my head.” She eventually did apologize, but she doesn’t remember saying that to me. I think she believes that if she apologizes consistently it means she is a bad mom because she keeps on making mistakes. I wish she knew that everyone makes mistakes including her and that she is only human and actually that’s a sign of strength.
On a slightly different note, I feel that with your last post you are starting to border into telling me this is how my parents are only getting a glimpse from my perspective about their behavior. I appreciate your support, but I need to draw my own conclusions about their behavior for myself.January 19, 2016 at 10:06 am #93002AnonymousGuestDear Ladybug:
Thank you for your honest feedback in your last three lines. I have a tendency to get into an authoritarian mode, arrogant like feature of mine when it comes to analyzing others, making up for past excessive self doubts. So thank you for the reminder. I will continue to work on my ineffective tendency. Actually, I was going to continue in that mode but will work on it right now:
This is not easy… I will write later, if it is okay with you, will have to get to the frame of mind, that humility I need…
anita
January 19, 2016 at 11:59 am #93027AnonymousGuestDear Ladybug:
Here are the last three lines of your post above: “I feel that with your last post you are starting to border into telling me this is how my parents are only getting a glimpse from my perspective about their behavior. I appreciate your support, but I need to draw my own conclusions about their behavior for myself.”
I am very impressed by how well you asserted yourself in these three lines, very impressed. You asserted yourself in a respectful way, not being disrespectful or abusive in any way. You asserted yourself non apologetically, that is without adding words like…”I am sorry but…”, qualifiers like that. Your assertion was straightforward, factual, simple to understand… none accusatory. This is very rare in my experience, very refreshing to come across such well put together assertion. I would say most people feeling discomfort about a post like you felt, most people probably wouldn’t even write back.. and some would have responded with put downs and even name calling.
I am so authentically impressed. Now I know there is a lot I can learn from you. This motivates me to want to have further communication with you. And although this is what I want, I am very aware that you need to be motivated to, that you will respond back if you think there is something important you can learn as well. (Win-Win)
It is uncomfortable to receive criticism, even one so well done like yours. My discomfort is: I did something wrong, I did something stupid… and there is that threatening feeling that everything I ever thought could be a mistake. But then, I realize there is enough confidence in me, justified confidence (because I earned it through hard work of the last five years), that I can withstand this criticism, learn from it, improve and go on learning.
You are correct in your criticism of me. I did project too much of my experience into yours and in so doing, I assumed too much without checking. It is not wise and it is not helpful to you. It is a hindrance, not help.
So, now I will try to do it better, responding to the rest of your above post. You mentioned your mother apologizing. I learned that not all apologies are created equal: some people apologize for anything and everything that has nothing to do with them, like a hiccup. And some people, when they intentionally hurt someone, when they apologize for what they did wrong, they use the apology to deliver an additional punch.
Do some of your mother’s apologies fit into the above? Are some of them sincere, that is, she stating what she did wrong and trying to fix it?
I was also wondering if you can elaborate on what it feels like confronting her, you used the word “stupid” and “crazy”- can you write more about that?
anita
January 19, 2016 at 2:05 pm #93042jockParticipantI appreciate your support, but I need to draw my own conclusions about their behavior for myself.”
Frame it. Keep it.
Maybe collect all the useful phrases that represent healthy, assertive communication on one thread. Sorry, don’t mean to derail your thread,by the way.January 19, 2016 at 2:12 pm #93043AnonymousGuest* Dear jock: yes, a perfectly done assertion. I wish this ability for you and I. This is one hell of an opportunity to learn this skill, isn’t it?
Hope to “hear” from you again and again, Ladybug!
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