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May 5, 2014 at 1:19 pm #55844InkyParticipant
Hi Gang!
I really want advice.
OK ~ Bare Bones Backstory: Father left when I was 12, yet we were close (or I thought we were). Fast forward 10 years, he remarries and adopts step-sibs. I don’t have a problem with that.
My problem: He is the spoiled son of a Wikipedia figure (let’s just leave it at that), and gives tons of love, money, time, etc. to everyone and everything else except those from his original family. My sister has it only a little better b/c she’s on “the dole”. But b/c she’s on an allowance, she’s afraid of rocking the boat. It’s not like he won’t see us. But he never calls us, we have to call him. If I didn’t make it happen, he would never see his grandchildren.
The situation is two-fold and compounded. Everyone is his world hangs around him for his $$. On some level he knows this, as he has expressed it to me. The other issue is the emotional unavailability I would have with him anyway. “I don’t call b/c it’s not in my nature” he says when I bring it up.
Step-mother is of they typical variety that makes sure her children come first. But like the lyrics of the Lourds song, “Everyone’s competing for a love they won’t receive,” there is definite underlying competition at holidays around him.
Basically it’s hard to have a one sided relationship with one’s father while he’s being used/”adored” by the rest of his world. Sometimes I wish he goes bankrupt so he would come to his senses when they all go away. (Who would he call then, hmmm?? Let me think. Oh, I know!! LOL)
How do I get over it, replace him/find a better father-figure (yes, that’s how I feel), have a better relationship with him, and/or manifest/attract a father/daughter relationship (that doesn’t go against his free will), etc.?
What would you do if this happened to you??
May 5, 2014 at 11:37 pm #55868JessaParticipantHi Inkrid π
I have a pretty straightforward reply, just to warn you. The first part could be a little tough (not sure how you’ll take it, but hang in there until the end).
Frankly, I think the first thing I would do is be sad. It sounds like you may not have a lot of outright fighting with him, but he still hasn’t been there for you when you needed him. Maybe in a financial sense, but not in an emotionally or relationally supportive way. I sense at least a little bit of anger toward him in your post. You don’t have to express those feelings toward him if you don’t want to, but I encourage you to give yourself permission to feel them all the way before you do anything else. You don’t have to act on them, just feel them and accept they are there.
The reason for this is that admitting to yourself that a parent hasn’t really been there for you is a loss, even if you might not be losing the physical person. To admit this is also to admit that he may not change anytime soon, and no matter what you do you can’t control that. He will have to make some choices for himself to engage in the relationship. Letting go of that responsibility is freeing, but it can feel like a loss at the same time because you are giving up the expectation of him being there for you in that way.
Once you’ve released yourself from trying to control his end of things, you can make some decisions for yourself.The other thing I hear in your words is a lot of understanding for him and his situation. It probably is hard for him to reach out and connect if he feels like people are only interested in him for his money. I wonder if this has held you back from expressing your needs to him? You can’t control his reaction, but you can make the choice to tell him what you need and then leave it up to him. Given the family dynamics, will you make a choice about whether or not to recieve any money from him? Will you let him know what you need emotionally from him, or keep quiet for now? Will you keep trying to contact him for now, or explain to him how taxing it is an let him know that if he doesn’t reach out too you can’t keep doing this? Will you let him know why his relationship is so important to you? Will you cut him off, or leave the door open for him to contact you in the future? These are some questions to ask yourself.
I hope some of this helps. Whatever happens, you’re worth a parent’s love. Sometimes parents just have their own issues and are kind of clueless on how to give it. I would focus on giving yourself some of that nurturance first, rather than looking for it in someone else. You know yourself better than anyone; who better to love you than you?
Warm prayers for you and your family,
JessaMay 6, 2014 at 4:49 am #55873InkyParticipantThank You Jessica!!
Here’s the dynamic too ~ Dad didn’t make the money. My Wikipedia mentioned grandfather did. So he made sure I was taken care of in a legal-eze sense. I think, if I were my father’s shrink, that Dad wants to play the hero and so “saves” all the non-related people who go into his orbit for a feeling of importance. Wiki grandpa treated me more of a daughter than he did, in a practical sense.
Anger ~ you are spot on. The few times I’ve expressed anger (not just in this issue) *I* get the fallout. *I* get the looks. *I’m* the one with the problem.
If I were single/alone I would for sure do an experimental disappearing act to see how long it takes him to contact me. What happens is around the holidays (even after 3-4 months of no contact) we get invited in an obtuse way (my teenagers get a text/call the day b/f the holiday, or I get a call from another relative at the last minute.)
Nurturance ~ sometimes when I take care of myself/nurture myself, etc. I get an overwhelming feeling of sadness, for what should have been, for what should be. I am angry at him, embarrassed by him, disappointed.
I’ve had “The Talk” with him, but he won’t change, nothing changes.
I’m looking at the questions you wrote, thinking about each one..
May 6, 2014 at 8:48 pm #55936JessaParticipantYou’re welcome, Inkrid.
That feeling of overwhelming sadness for what could have and should have been when you try to take care of yourself- I think that is the sense of loss I was talking about. Maybe trying to take care of yourself reminds you of that loss enough to bring up the feelings of grief. Grief is a funny thing. We only talk about grief when we lose something physical in this culture, but that’s not really how it works. Human beings can feel a sense of loss over many things, especially something we know that we could have had/needed a lot in our childhood.
On the one hand, I’m sorry it hurts. If you’re feeling a little nuts for grieving when you try to take care of yourself, you don’t need to. I do counseling work and this is actually a very common feeling for people who have had absent parents. There are ‘stages’ or ‘components’ of grief, including denial, anger, bargaining, sadness, acceptance, and moving forward (not always in that order). You can look it up if you like, but I guess my biggest message for you is that, as conflicted as your feelings might be, it’s okay to give yourself permission to feel all of them. None of them will last forever, but they will get stuck if you keep them trapped inside and don’t acknowledge them. On the other hand, I am glad you have feelings of anger, humiliation & disappointment. These are a natural reaction to something unfair that happened in your life, and it means that a part of you knows that you deserved better.
My two cents is that this is a situation where processing your own emotions will bring you the most relief. You can’t erase what’s already happened, and you can’t 100% control the future, but you can address your own feelings in the present. I think if you process those emotions first, then whatever decisions you make might have more meaning for you.
This is just my outside perspective, so feel free to take what fits and leave the rest. I hope things work out well for you.
-Jessa
May 17, 2014 at 6:16 am #56440MattParticipantInky,
I’m sorry for your suffering, dear sister, and can understand why you have some difficulty relating directly to men. It can be tough when our parents are closed off, because we very naturally want their approval, their love, their affection… and when they don’t give it, it can drive us to get really creative to try to “win” or “earn” their affection… and/or become bitter that nothing we’ve done has gotten us what we need from them. A few things came to heart as I read your words.
First, if we have karma in our connection because of previous comments, I apologize for my side of them. I haven’t liked your advice to some others, and I bow to you in respect. It makes sense why your heart would inspire such solutions as you’ve offered, reflections of some of these unhealed pains. If there isn’t too much aggressiom for me on your side, perhaps we can unweave some of these tangles. My wish is only that your steps along your path are more joyful, more peaceful, more authentic.
Consider that often the nagging itch inside of us when our parent is “off elsewhere” is that we wish to know them better, and especially, wish to know what they think and feel for us. So we dance and press, hope and consider, try and try to find out what is going on. If only daddy would wake up, see his dear daughter crying, and offer her a gentle comfort in the thunderstorm, then the heart would rest easy, knowing that it was safe. But, and this stinks, sometimes daddy is distracted or lost in his own storms, and doesn’t know how to give his daughter tender attention. “Not in his nature” is bullshit, its more like “sorry, I’m waaaaaay too distracted to reach out to you.” Yes, it sucks that you’re kind of far down the totem pole on his list of priorities, but that has nothing to do with you.
Its actually more about him, and what his dad did during the thunderstorms. The way his father was perhaps busy being famous, and tossed any number of things at your dad, but not that which was needed to help him find what you’re now missing too. That sense of unconditional, immutable, infinite love that grows inside us… when we have the space to do so.
We know when its missing, when its not being expressed. He looks at you, and you can see it in his eyes. He’s only a little bit there. You may feel it like “why isn’t he looking at me”, but that’s only because you miss him, yearn for his attention. The truth is that its not about you, its his mind isn’t very present at all. He’s still a scared boy, afraid of what’s around him, stuck in a little room in the dark, lonely. So he hides, darts here and there, plays with comforting, reliable, known toys. He’s older now, so the toys have grown. Now, they’re “people that will do reliable things as I pay them.” He feels alone, and no wonder.
From a different angle, consider that you’re fixating on what you don’t have, rather than what you do. Your grandpas fame gave a benefit of money, hurray, but at a cost of time and tender attention, boo. You, just like almost every child, have to find acceptance of the good things we get from our ancestors, and forgive the lack. We have to sit with them in our own heart space, and just let them be. Not “how could I fix him”, not “what could he do better”, not “how could I win him over”, not “if I was his shrink…”. Rather “what is really there?” He is far more than just a role, just your father. He’s a son, a boy, a man, a fool, an artist. All those things, and like you, fumble and bumble along his path, holding many fears inside.
When you can sit with him peacefully, spaciously, the visions you have of him will change. Not from his side, but from yours. Instead of “oh, he doesn’t invite me to his house on Christmas, how could he do that to me”, it will begin to bloom like “oh my goodness, how sad for him to be so caught up in whatever, that he isn’t excited or yearning for the beauty of Christmas morning reflecting in the eyes of his family. For all he has materially, look at what my poor daddy is missing out on.” Then, your tears for him will fuel your joy, your appreciation of the sparkle in your children’s eyes. Sure, it would be nice if you had that with him, but be glad you have it at all. Many don’t. He doesn’t.
From there, relating to him will become much more simple. No need to manipulate him, such as leaving for months to see if he’ll notice. That’s a lot of work on your side! Why let him control you in such a way? Instead, simply, it can become like “here’s a kiss, daddy. Are you ready to see my beauty? See my tender love that waits like a flood behind these walls that you put up? No? OK, my dear alone daddy, maybe next time.”
With warmth,
MattMay 17, 2014 at 7:55 am #56441The RuminantParticipantHello Inky,
I don’t think I would know what I would do in your situation. It’s impossible to fully understand the underlying dynamic. But I could offer thoughts based on my own life and what I’ve witnessed in other people’s lives.
I have daddy issues, mommy issues and all kinds of issues π My parents were/are emotionally immature. My father was an alcoholic and absent in his own world or angry, and my mother has been more like a friend than a mother to me. She doesn’t know how to hug or be nurturing. I realized that all this is extra painful when I think that a parent should be the mature one, nurturing the child and being there. But then sometimes I think that they’re still just flawed people like the rest of us, who also had a tough time with their own parents. Only at my father’s funeral did I find out a lot of the heartache that he had to go through as a child, and compared to his own father, he actually did a better job at being a parent than his own father did. Of course, that’s not going to change things for me, but it is easier to understand why he was the way he was. He never told me, or tried to excuse his own behavior. He was proud and tough, yet very weak and vulnerable.
I’m not a parent, so I don’t know if and how that would change a person, but somehow I am thinking that not everyone will miraculously change from being unable to grasp the concept of love into someone who would have infinite amount of love in them. We have been sold the idea of a nurturing mother and a strong father, and compared to that image, how many regular people can actually live up to the expectation?
Regarding money and fame, I have seen how it complicates lives. I have friends who have grown up rich and are clearly quite lost and emotionally crippled. It changes a person when you are trying to create authentic connections with others and what you get in return is fake ones, just because you happened to be born into a family of wealth. On top of that, people who seemingly have a lot aren’t allowed to complain or show their suffering. They have things most people want, so there’s not going to be any empathy for the regular human suffering. They have to learn how to bottle things up and not show their feelings. If they do show their feelings, there’s the danger of either being ridiculed (“you have everything and you’re still not happy, you should be ashamed of yourself”) or being taken advantage of. Also, men who have rich and powerful fathers and are wealthy not due to their own actions seem to have some of their own issues with manhood. They couldn’t create their own lives and their own wealth. They were given a path and an obligation to be something great without actually having the incentive to go forth and be great. I have one male friend who handles his father’s business, and it is clear that the father is still dominating everything and not allowing his son to do things freely, yet still expects him to do great things. He also has been given money, but it’s still tied to his father, so it’s not really his. It’s not something he earned and made for himself. His being is that of a man who’s been castrated, so I wouldn’t expect him to step up and be a man when expected.
People also seem to not understand that being present is one of the greatest gifts one could give to a child. I think many people think that providing material wealth would be enough. My mother still says to me that nobody has been as loved as I was, yet I really don’t see it that way. Our definition of love is different. So it is possible that a person could think of themselves as being a great parent, doing what they are doing, and still not meet the needs of the child.
I guess my point is that even parents are just people. Personally, I find it really liberating to see my parents as regular human beings with their own issues. If I compare them to the ideal of what we think a mother and a father represents, I immediately become bitter and resentful. Why didn’t they give me what I needed? They should’ve known. Yet clearly, they didn’t, and any discussion about it is just too much to handle. So, I guess it’s better to accept that it is what it is, and take the more compassionate route. If I’m aware of what I need, then I can do that for myself now. Spending more time waiting for mom to turn around and hug me is only going to prolong the pain for no good reason.
Sorry for blabbing on about myself and other people and not about your situation, but it was the only way I could express my thoughts on the subject. I guess it’s such a personal subject, that it’s difficult to talk about it without thinking about my own life. I can understand the pain of a parent not being present, but to harbor hope that they’ll fix it some day is just feeding the flames of the pain.
May 17, 2014 at 8:36 am #56445InkyParticipantMatt ~ You must be at least a little bit psychic. I was wondering this very day about how you would have responded to this post! You are right ~ growing up, you (meaning me) never, ever approached people directly about issues or grievances. You would get at worst physically beaten for it or iced out at the very least. I had to be a bit of a master at word play, subtlety, and sensing unspoken energies just to survive.
Yes, I admit I mentally rolled my eyes at a few of your posts. But, everyone is at a different place. And, for solutions to problems, you never know what little, outside the box thing OR prayer/meditation will solve it!
The Ruminant ~ My father was psychically castrated. I have heard that term referred to him in my past. You are dead on about what it’s like to be the son of the rich and/or famous.
Matt and Ruminant ~ This is why I believe in past lives and why Archetypes are Real: There has to be something in me (general Me) that resonates with what a Parent Should Be. That, if I never knew it, why in the world would I miss it?? If that makes sense. On the flip side of that thought, if I had It to miss It, then It is already (at least in part) already inside of me. So I CAN appreciate every other aspect of my life!
With my dad, most days, weeks or even months I’m OK with it, that this is the way it is. That, in the Present Moment, everything really is cosmically Perfect. However, Triggers. LOL
Thank you both for your support and care!!
Ink
May 17, 2014 at 10:22 am #56448MattParticipantInk,
One doesn’t have to be psychic to know when someone they’re talking to has been eating garlic. π Its just that a cloudy mind “plugs the nose” so to speak. Said differently, if we see our neighbor eating apples (or giving away apples) its not difficult to know what kind of seed grew them.
I’m all for outside the box attempts at rekindling connection. The problem is sometimes when we chop at symptoms, we overlook the causes. Plus, certain actions produce dissonance in intimacy, such as manipulation. Sure, we could get a friend to tell our partner our needs for us, but that doesn’t get us any closer to authentic courage, which is what disperses the fear. For example. Namaste.
Careful with that eye rolling, I’ve heard they can get stuck that way. π
With warmth,
MattMay 17, 2014 at 10:43 am #56449InkyParticipantMatt, are you sure you’re not resonating with me as a fellow “garlic eater”? π
Let it go.
Peace
π
May 17, 2014 at 5:11 pm #56460MattParticipantInteresting… Zen such as that isn’t really my style, but I’ll give it a go. When in Rome and so forth.
Inky, are you sure that you didn’t just spit in the face of the keymaker you begged the universe to send you?
π
May 17, 2014 at 7:00 pm #56465InkyParticipantLOL, Matt, I could dance all night, you are so tempting me!!
In all seriousness though, THANK YOU ~ I loved the line, “…hereβs a kiss, daddy. Are you ready to see my beauty? See my tender love that waits like a flood behind these walls that you put up? No? OK, my dear alone daddy, maybe next time”… That really helped my perspective a lot!!
xxoo
Inky
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