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  • #377995
    Ishita
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    Dear Teak

    thanks for your wishes

    coming to your reply

    – But first, let me say, I notice you didn’t want to tell him explicitly why you feel upset with him:

    yes I didnt want to explicitly mention about those flirting or sexting because I , felt , he would easily shrug off owning up to it, instead he might simply say that “u were enjoying it as well , so you could have asked me to stop ”

    so I rather , considered it to be better to point out things from his behavior because ,I know he isnt the kind of person who actually understands thats its not supposed to be a blame game, rather , its supposed to be him supporting me through this , taking responsibility for his part in this, to make sure we can be friends again once I am over this.

    He claims that he had too big expectations from you only once (was it when he got mad that you didn’t come on meet, btw?). And he says he didn’t feel you had too big expectations from him, except in a few occasions when he got annoyed (perhaps one being when you accused him of not letting you know that he’d be sleeping all day?).

    yes you got it right Teak , these were the two instances specifically.

    You again didn’t mention the real problem – his sexting, calling you bae, etc – but kept it vague. He responded by listing just one event where he sees how he possibly might have upset you, but other than that, nothing:

    I wasnt sure my self if mentioning the sexting or calling bae thing is a legit point or not, since he could easily shrug it off saying, if you didnt want the flirting thing to happen you could have asked me to stop

    I personally feel these things could only be mentioned to someone who is that mature , to understand how feelings for a person develope with small things over time, but he is someone who is all about himself , iguess, so mentioning these things, he ll try to make me feel guilty probably for not taking it lightly or so.

    I really don’t know if you should spell out the concrete examples of his misbehavior, and explain that it’s not how one should treat their best friend unless they’re interested in them romantically

    I personally think I shouldnt, it would lead no where in the matters of understanding, with a guy like that,because it was my fault that I trusted him so much, from the next time I should maybe be more careful with being that close to someone

    the best is to cut contact with him, and not allow him to mislead you again

    I would like to collectively answer to you and Anita on this , in my next post, since you both have dropped the same conclusion out of it

     

    #377996
    Ishita
    Participant

    Dear Anita

    Addressing your post

     your suggestion is not helpful (1) because you and X talked a lot privately, one-to-one, and you don’t know if and how he talks to other club members privately, (2) “not so close” it vague, (3) you diverted the topic from your relationship with him to his relationships with other people

    Yes I figured, he wouldnt feel comfortable with this idea, I just didnt know what could be a possible workaround for that? since , He wanted to makesure we r not getting too formal , even if our point of discussion just be the club.

    apart from that , yes I completely agree with you Anita to whatever you have said.

    regarding whther I should stay in contact with a person like that or not.

    I just need one last advice here, he has made attempts several times to sort this out, but the two times we had a proper call regarding this, it has ended on a bad note , on both times, me being low key angry and frustrated that why doesnt he git it , how I felt all that time.Was that wrong on my my part? He appeared to be calm and listening to everything the entire time, while I got a bit annoyed , of how clueless could he be??

    So , would be better for me if I  indefinetely go in no contact with him now, after the call that ended on a bad note?

     

    #378012
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Ishita:

    You wrote in your recent post: “he has made attempts several times to sort this out”- he wants you to not be angry with him anymore- not by sorting out/ solving the problem, but by confusing you and making you feel that the problem is.. you.

    “He appeared to be calm and listening.. while I got a bit annoyed, of how clueless could he be??”-

    – he is not clueless, he has been gaslighting you. If you continue to communicate with him, you are the clueless one.

    He appears like he is listening to you, like he is reasonable and mature, but it is only an appearance. He is not really listening to you. He is not really reasonable or mature. The purpose of this appearance is to present you as The Problem, the one who is Angry for no good reason, the one who is unreasonable.

    “would be better for me if I definitely go no contact with him..?”- yes, go no contact and stay no contact. He is bad for you, stay away from him.

    anita

    #377830
    Sushanth
    Participant

    Hello Ishita,

    I’ve been following your story, all I wanna say is that you become what you believe.

    If you believe you are BROKEN by this incident, then nothing in this world could heal you or fix you. Yes, feelings and emotions do matter, but they should never dominate LIFE.

    Consider this a lesson, a reminder which reminds you to FOCUS on YOU. Frankly speaking, get over this, nothing should bother you now. Don’t have any regrets of unspoken words or feelings. Don’t even think of the guy now, focus on your career and believe in yourself. Every time you think about this, it pulls you down.

    I’m sorry if I’m being blunt, but thats how LIFE is.

    I would like to end on one note- What dosen’t kill you, makes you STRONGER!

    regards
    leo

     

    #378031
    Ishita
    Participant

    thanks a lot Anita for all your guidance and support.

    You were like an elder sister to me during this entire time, advising me according to whats right for me

    However difficult ,I ll surely stay in no contact with him,just like I have been since the past one month.

    I believe , even I have learnt a lot of things throughout this ,about myself as well as on which basis and to what extent should we trust people with oneself.

    Thanks Again Anita , for selflessly taking out your time and guiding me through this

    I would like to say the same thing to Teak, both of you have been such a great support , exactly telling me what I needed to here always.

    #378032
    Ishita
    Participant

    Thanks Leo ,

    yes its true , it does feel like I am being pulled down everytime , I think about all the things that have been said , or have been left unsaid.

    But , I am not  someone who has allowed myself to stop for anything that sabotages my career , and I wont this time either, I ll try to get over it peacefully .

    Thanks for the quote too .

    regards

    Ishita

    #378034
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Ishita,

    you’re very welcome. I was thinking about his personality and realized he might be a covert, not an overt narcissist. Because you said this about him:

    He is a real nice guy, an overachiever yet humble, although a bit emotionally inexpressive or reserved kind.

    We are in the same club in our college, and that’s how we had met. Now, I am someone who is very involved in the works of the club , and am pretty opinionated, whereas he is, more of an introvert who, didn’t really aim for the leadership position in the club.

    An overt narcissist wouldn’t be humble – they would be grandiose, full of themselves and would likely be in a leadership position.

    A covert or vulnerable narcissist is more introverted and subdued. They still feel entitled and seek ways to feel important, but they don’t do it so openly. Here are two useful quotes, both from the same article (you can look it up):

    A covert narcissist is someone who craves admiration and importance as well as lacks empathy toward others but can act in a different way than an overt narcissist.

    The introverted, covert narcissist may have a more gentle approach to explain why something is your fault and they are not to blame. They might even pretend to be a victim of your behavior or engage in emotional abuse to put themselves in a position to receive reassurance and praise from you. At the end of these interactions, the goal of the narcissist is to make the other person feel small.

     

    Your friend X is also blaming you, indirectly, for being “unreasonable”, and for seeing problems where they don’t exist. He also probably wants to keep a relationship with you, so that he can keep receiving reassurance and praise from you, while at the same time not caring about his impact on you.

    So, you might want to check covert narcissism and see if he fits the description. If he does, it would explain why it was so hard for you to discern his intentions, because his manipulative behavior would be much more hidden and more difficult to spot.

     

    #378036
    Ishita
    Participant

    thanks for the information Teak

    I did feel eventually that he is a narcissist, but didnt know there are types to it.

    Read about covert narcissist after reading your post, and it does feel like he is one of em.

    Because, until I was close to him, he used to be very nice , and overly grateful, and then suddenly he started pulling away.

    Before this I used to feel he is not at all judgemental, but eventually after spending a significant amount of time with him during these recent months , I realised he is such a perfectionist he keeps judging people on the basis of the same metric of his efficiency, and that made me so uncomfortable, how he didnt understand I am not like him and donot hold similar aspirations and have a lot of other interests apart from academics.(although he never directly judged me like he did for others, but I didnt feel very supported either, during the last two months)

    To anyone who is even a close friend to him, wouldnt realise this side of him, most of the ppl who have interacted with him, think of him as a humble reserved guy.

    I am in general a bit anxious and a bit insecure abt myself ingeneral due to some events from my past,i am still learning to get over, although it doesnt show up easily on my face, but people close to me know that abt me. So a narcissist is the last person I need to be around

    Nonetheless, it doesnt matter anymore, analysing this, because it is over now i guess

     

     

     

    #378037
    Ishita
    Participant

    One thing I wasnt sure if I should

    But I was thinking of writing him one last post , a peaceful one, telling errything i have in my heart, since the call ended on a bad note.

    Just a peaceful note (which i ll obviously show you guys before posting to him)

    But wil that be like a suicide mission?

    #378038
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Ishita,

    But I was thinking of writing him one last post , a peaceful one, telling errything i have in my heart, since the call ended on a bad note.

    What would you like to tell him? And what do you need from him, so you could feel at peace?

    #378041
    Ishita
    Participant

    Dear Teak

    I dont know exactly what I want to tell him,(he has very well succeeded in gashlighting me tbh)

    I keep replaying all the previous events in my head, trying to figure out if it was really me the reason for all this to happen, was he just being a good friend, because he cannot relate to a thing where I felt he was overdoing as a friend

    I know you would say  that, the best thing for me is to leave these thoughts and runaway from him as far as possible.

    But, maybe I just want him to know

    That I genuinely cared abt him and still do, being just friends has nd is never been the real problem for me, but the fact that whther I should trust him with myself.

    And I didnt make it clear in the call but I want to now, that forward on , he should not think that its me because of whom this interaction has been on hold. And talk to me for a resolve only when he is ready to stop being clueless and support me through this by taking responsibility for his miscommunication otherwise yes, he can very well expect that I am never coming back  , however much may he mean to me, I am not coming back and there is no way he can expect a resolve

    But we can surely stay friendly for the club work, i dont want him to have any hard feelings there

    Ugh i dont know what I want to tell him

    But its so hard to stop thinking abt this now,

    I keep replaying all thr scenes trying to know where did it all go wrong

    #378043
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Ishita,

    I keep replaying all the previous events in my head, trying to figure out if it was really me the reason for all this to happen, was he just being a good friend, because he cannot relate to a thing where I felt he was overdoing as a friend

    You’re doubting yourself that maybe your perception is wrong – exactly as he would want you to…

    And I didnt make it clear in the call but I want to now, that forward on , he should not think that its me because of whom this interaction has been on hold. And talk to me for a resolve only when he is ready to stop being clueless and support me through this by taking responsibility for his miscommunication

    So you want him to acknowledge that it was his fault that things turned out like this – you want him to accept his responsibility. But he’s already refused to do that, he refused to accept that he’s done anything wrong (except in one occasion, when expected you to come to meet), and he’s saying you also haven’t done anything to wrong him. So he in his eyes is blameless like a baby, and not just that, but he’s good tempered and “gracious” because he isn’t blaming you for anything. In his eyes, he’s a good friend, and I don’t think there’s anything you can say that will change his opinion…

    I keep replaying all thr scenes trying to know where did it all go wrong

    Well, it went wrong when you wanted clarification about his intentions, and he said he doesn’t want a relationship, at least not now. But when you first wrote here, you actually didn’t believe he had no feelings for you. You said:

    I AM PRETTY MUCH HEART BROKEN. BUT SOMEWHERE I FEEL HE DID HAVE FEELINGS FOR ME JUST THAT HE IS NOT CONFESSING IT .

    You were hoping he has feelings for you, but doesn’t want to confess. I have to ask, just to make sure, did you confess it to him at that point? Does he know you have feelings for him? If he does, and he rejected the relationship, then there’s no doubt that he really means it. If he doesn’t exactly know what you feel about him, then it’s a different story, because he might be lying he doesn’t have feelings when in fact he does…

    So anyway,  I just want to make sure that he knew about your feelings, before we make further conclusions…

    #378046
    Ishita
    Participant

    You were hoping he has feelings for you, but doesn’t want to confess. I have to ask, just to make sure, did you confess it to him at that point? Does he know you have feelings for him?

     

    yes I did exactly confess to him , so he does know about it you can be sure

    -his answer to my confession , then, was , I never thought of us in this way, I am sorry its just been 5- 6months , I ll need atleast one year to even think about having another relationship .

    (I feel , if I was really that close friend to him, then he would have let me know that’s how he feels about dating, but this had never come up from his side until then)

    anyways

    Ya I kind of couldnt believe it ,then, because I honestly , genuinely felt he had something, and I wouldnt just imagine that, I am not someone who does that, I think I would have backed off in the very beginning if he would have even slightly given me a hint.

    but nonetheless , ya I dont know , what should I think now.,  this is kind of difficult to let go , of re-analyzing everything again and again.

    #378048
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Ishita,

    but nonetheless , ya I dont know , what should I think now., this is kind of difficult to let go , of re-analyzing everything again and again.

    I hear you… but it’s also useful to look at things in detail, to really be sure what happened and to draw some conclusions… So, I believe that since he knew how you feel about him, and he still told you he doesn’t share the same sentiments and that it didn’t even cross his mind (“I never thought of us in this way”), there is no doubt that he’s not interested in a relationship with you.

    Ya I kind of couldnt believe it ,then, because I honestly , genuinely felt he had something, and I wouldnt just imagine that, I am not someone who does that, I think I would have backed off in the very beginning if he would have even slightly given me a hint.

    I know it’s painful because it felt like he’s into you, but obviously he is a good actor and could charm you away, even though you were careful not to put your guard down too quickly. Also keep in mind that you liked him from starters, he was someone you admired, so when such a guy showed interest in you, you of course wanted to believe he really feels something for you. His flattery felt good – you felt flattered that this guy is interested in you. So perhaps there’s an insecurity in you, which made you vulnerable to him?

    Actually you mentioned in your earlier posts that the two of you are quite different:

    I am someone pretty confident about myself, but I was so into not wanting to lose him, that I eventually began to feel obligated somewhere or the other, because I knew we were very different people , and I really thought that maybe I had begun to become too much for him now, which was so wrong to feel for oneself.

    .. this entire incident has also got to make some revelation about me, on why did allow myself to feel obligated to someone, are such people even worth it in the long run in your life, if you cant be yourself around them.

    The fact that you couldn’t be yourself around him would prove that you felt insecure, “lesser than” him. How do you feel you two are different? What does he have, which you feel you don’t have?

    #378079
    Ishita
    Participant

    I am someone pretty confident about myself, but I was so into not wanting to lose him, that I eventually began to feel obligated somewhere or the other, because I knew we were very different people , and I really thought that maybe I had begun to become too much for him now, which was so wrong to feel for oneself.

    by different people I mean,

    – background wise we r quite different

    he is not very expressive and is more of workaholic because , in his family , they donot interact  very much , but I on the other hand belong in a family where we r too closely knit, and I can say that I am actually bonded to my family.So , he kind of doesnt relate to the attachement that I have with my sisters, how ,whenever she is around I kind of priortize hangouts with her, over anything else.

    Once I asked him , who is he closest too at his home.(although he might havent thought so much before answering)

    he said , “I am closest to the charging point of my house, what can you even expect lol”

    anyways

    also , I believe I have had a lot of trouble in the past figuring things out for myself , academically( I used to be a really good student and still am,but not as efficient as I used to be ,because I have stopped believing in myself somewhere, when it comes to toughtimes) , but during my entrance preparation , I have been through some tough times due to lack of resources( not financially but demographically or so)

    ( which I know he cannot relate to any extent) ,

    so , that had affected me real bad, like I cannot mention how bad I am still in trauma due to that phase, half of my life problems exist because I am unable to let go of that fear, and take leaps of faith .

    on the otherhand, he is an overachiever to say, he is very confident in himself when it comes to acads and getting things done, and he is very efficient.He doesnt have a lot of interests apart from studies, for eg, I am quite proficient in music ,dance as well as dramatics, so I have some part of my day alloted to that, and I am not as efficient as he is (which I think is normal)

    so , he kind of didnt use to like it , when I used to keep some of my work hanging ,and he as a good friend , used to keep reminding me of getting it done(but I used to find it difficult to tell him , how anxious I am getting regarding the work, and am stuck somewhere , so avoiding it ,because I knew he would neither relate to it , nor have the empathy to understand, that I dont work in the same way, I take time in letting myself believe I can get it sorted or so).I used to find it difficult to even ask him to help me with it , because I felt, as though he might think I am dumb(which is I know, my problem, but i didnt know how to work around it)

    So, its not that I donot put effort on myself thinking about this comparatively better quality of him, but I would feel better obviously if he understood how I work, and had some empathy.

     

    ALSO,

    after reading all this please dont suggest me therapy , because , I know my family would nt understand so its not possible

    and I think if one really gives oneself time, they eventually do heal on there own

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