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February 28, 2018 at 8:31 am #195169FayeParticipant
Hi everyone and thank you in advance for hearing me out.
I’m having some doubts about my relationship. I’m in a 7 month relationship with my boyfriend and it’s been a rocky ride to say the least. Yet we are moving in together in a few weeks. But in my opinion we have some pretty bad underlying issues and I’m not sure how to handle it all. Yesterday I became triggered by something I saw (I’ll explain in a bit) and I have the tendency to become very emotional and dramatic when I’m hurt or angry. But I’m trying to work on myself and always cool down and maybe . talk to a friend to stop myself from overreacting. So here I am, on the internet asking your opinion of my situation.
BEFORE my relationship:
I was in a very intense relationship, crazy about my ex. Extreme highs and lows and to be honest, I’m still healing from that breakup. I still think about him and sometimes wish things were different. Yet I do accept that it wasn’t meant to be and that we tried, I got hurt a lot more than him in the whole thing. It was miserable. Some time after this breakup I met my current boyfriend. I didn’t hit it off immediately with him but ended up falling for him and we were very much in love for 2 months. Except my ex is always in the back of my head. It’s as if he lives there (even though we don’t talk anymore). I ignored my feelings and focus on current boyfriend.
START of issues:
My current boyfriend knew about my heartbreak and how insecure I felt about myself, my feelings, love and that I wasn’t exactly “over” the whole thing. This made him insecure. He would often ask things about my ex, and my dumb self would always answer honestly. I should have just avoided those questions. Some days he can be very focused on my past, which only makes me feel worse because I don’t want to think about it and even if I wanted to talk about it, I’d do so with friends. So now during fights my boyfriend sometimes brings this up. “You and your ex were this and that, you don’t love me as much, you think he’s better than me, you want him back”. In the beginning I felt very stupid about this, I had given him this feeling and I felt so bad and guilty. But in the meantime it’s always the same thing over and over again. The effect that this has caused is him not trusting me AND that I focus on HIS past as well. I’m bothered by an ex-girlfriend, a friend with benefits, the girl he calls: the one who got away, a female friend he calls sweety. It bothers the hell out of me and it makes me feel “less” just like he feels sometimes.
So this was kind of an underlying issue from the start. And he used to always say: oh you’re chatting with this guy and that one and they all want you, I bet you are flirting with them all, or did you f***k him too? He’s saying those things because I have a lot of male friends and because when I was single (and younger) I used to be a little wild, partying and fooling around. However I’m over that phase already for quite some time. When I express hurt over those sayings he would say he is joking and I shouldn’t take him all that serious.
Despite these insecurities, we loved each other, had a lot of fun and were there for each other emotionally and we always talk about our issues and pain. We always communicate.
SHIT HAPPENED:
But about 4 months ago things got messy. I gave him a secondhand phone of mine cause his phone broke. Apparently that phone was still logged into all of my social accounts. And he started snooping like crazy. Of course he didn’t find anything because I am loyal and I’m not flirting and chatting with every guy on the town. What he did find was a sad conversation between me and my ex from a year ago (my ex begging me for sex and me being whiny and sad that he can’t use me for sex, that I want a rship and to be loved). My boyfriend confessed he had been snooping and said he saw that conversation. He also went through every convo I had with male friends.
At first I wasn’t mad, I thought oh well.. we’re all curious you know and I don’t have anything to hide. But then I became a bit unsettled. Why was he so focused on this? Why was he so sure he’d find some kind of evidence. I decided that maybe it was because he was projecting and this behavior he accused me of might actually closer to him than it is to me. So I logged into his account..
And there I found he had been chatting with his old “friend with benefits” VERY FLIRTY, sending a lot of winky faces and phrases like: “aww you know I wouldn’t ever forget about you”, “you know you’re freaky”, “oh you dyed you hair? Show me a picture (he asked this 4 times before she agreed)”, “we did have fun didn’t we?”. You know stuff like that, he also said he didn’t miss me (this was during a trip he took) even though he was texting me every day saying he wanted me to be there and that he missed me. These convo’s weren’t daily or even weekly but were 3/4 times initiated by him.
I decided to dig deeper and found that before he and I were official he was complaining a lot about me to her. Saying I was weak and depressed, that he preferred his nympho girl (I didn’t want to have sex at that time). That I was annoying. And she was feeding into it, saying it was just a weak pathetic sad girl cause I can’t handle a break up. So before we dated he was actually talking shit about me to her.
Of course I freaked out. I broke up with him. He did everything he could to make it right and begged to give him another chance. That she was nothing, that he’d just been looking for attention because I wasn’t always giving it. That he just had been good friends with her for some time while he was single. That he’d never cheat on me. etc etc etc.
I decided to give him another chance. Even though the existence of this girl had made me very nervous before. He often talked about sex with her and how kinky she was (she’s into BDSM, does drugs, has loads of piercings). While I am very girly and sweet looking with 1 piercing (lol) and I’m definitely not a prude in bed or anything but i don’t do coke or worship satan or own butt plugs.
DOUBLE trouble:
A few weeks later I found out that in a drunken state on a night I remember nothing about that I had kissed someone (my bf and I were already together for a few weeks). That person came telling me, since I don’t remember I can’t say exactly what happened. What is true, what is exaggerated or fake. I told my boyfriend, he became angry but said we had both made mistakes and he would let it pass. We talked about this a lot, he was mad at me for weeks, would make snarky comments. All normal but I was definitely not allowed to say the same about his texting affair. Because if I brought that up he starts laughing every time, he laughs at me: says I completely overreacted, what I did was a lot worse, the texting was “totally friendly”, that he even disliked the girl, that i was just a dramaqueen.
NOW:
We talked a lot, cried a lot and decided to leave it behind us and try and learn. That we deserved an honest chance, no other people involved. Now we’re both in our mid-twenties and are both struggling a bit with finding the right carreer/company so we can both be a little stressed, we still fight now and then. Nothing too weird. But if I’m honest.. I’m still hurt about the texting with that old FWB. I still don’t trust him and he doesn’t trust me either. He still brings up my ex a lot.
Yesterday we were casually talking on the phone and I asked him if he would like to help my friend by partaking in a study about a dating app I know he used. We were just having a conversation about it and I explained the study. He got all weird about it, I asked why he was being so weird and joked: did you actually ever meet with anyone, except for that FWB? He said he only met with her in the two years he used the app (is this true?). A lot of people use the app for casual sex so I said: so you only met with 1 person and it was to have sex? (I know he had sex with her on the first date because he told me before).
He went: no it wasn’t to have sex, it was just to hang out.
Me: But you told me in the past that you never liked her and just thought she was interesting to sleep with? You did say you had sex with her on the first date no?
Him: starts laughing, awww come on honey.
Me: why are you avoiding and being weird? You told me before so why are you dancing around it now?
Him: okay yea we did have sex on the first date.
Me: You’re making me feel weird about this, it’s close to lying.
Him: Nahhh it was just to tease you!
Me: You know it makes me feel insecure with everything that happened..
We changed subject, talked about some other things and after I went to check the girl’s Instagram and saw my boyfriend had liked some pictures of her. I wondered if they were talking again but he changed his password so I can’t check.
My gut feeling is alarmed but I don’t know anymore.. What do I do? How should I feel about all of this? Is he lying or hiding again?
My trust, our trust is completely broken..
Sorry for the long post but I had to get it out.
February 28, 2018 at 9:17 am #195253MarkParticipantFaye,
Just sharing observations, no advice…
What strikes me about your post is that both of you are insecure with yourselves and therefore with your relationship. That he is not transparent and honest with you, e.g. his “teasing”. That seems like there will be always this doubt for him and for you. He does not want to totally let go of this girl. He is insecure about your ex.
You are both stressed and in your mid-20s. You two both are going through this growth period in your lives as far as maturity, career, and relationships are concerned.
Mark
February 28, 2018 at 11:39 am #195293AnonymousGuestDear Faye:
I understand that you are were an imperfect girlfriend to your boyfriend, and agree that you shouldn’t have shared with him about hour ex boyfriend. I also don’t know how you behave when you get “become very emotional and dramatic”, maybe it is not such a good thing.
But independently of your participation in the relationship, reads to me that he is not trustworthy.
Again, my point is: independent of who you are, he is not trustworthy.
I think that moving in is not a good idea.
Post again if you’d like. I like the neat and organized original post!
anita
March 1, 2018 at 1:23 am #195361FayeParticipantSmall Update:
I talked to him about the Instagram pictures and that I didn’t feel comfortable and found it suspicious. He tried reassuring me that it was nothing and that he doesn’t even remember liking them (I think that’s a lie). I asked him why he’s always acting so weird around the subject of that girl and he says it’s because he’s ashamed and that I’m always making him feel ashamed. I know shame is a powerful emotion and I can somehow believe him. I’ve dealt with shame a lot, actually I daily deal with it. Still I’m so scared of being lied to, played with. Even if it’s small lies, I feel very uncomfortable about them. I’ve decided to let it rest, I worked out with a friend later and that definitely helped me blow off steam.
I just wonder how do you repair broken trust? Can we even? Why are we so focused on the past all the time?
Mark,
You are definitely right, this feels like a heavy “transition” in my life and I seem to doubt absolutely everything and every choice I make. My boyfriend must be going through the same but we can’t always seem to help each other.
Anita,
Yes I’ve definitely made some mistakes with my boyfriend and the previous one. I’m still learning what’s okay to share and what’s not. Sometimes it can feel as if there’s room to share certain thoughts and feelings but afterwards it comes back to me to bite me in the butt. The dramatic behavior is that I get upset easily and tend to always expect the worst. One small feat can discourage my whole day. Then I need to vent and often i’ll go and confront the person I have a problem with. People dislike the confrontation and call me dramatic. Well two boyfriends have told me this. I think it’s a mean thing to say. Everyone has feelings and if you step on them you’ll get a reaction. I think most humans respond to pain so why judge me so hard for being hurt you know..
I just have problems trusting men in general to be honest. My dad has cheated on my mom multiple times, my previous boyfriend would lie to get me in bed or lie about where he was hanging out. I can’t tell truth from a lie anymore.
March 1, 2018 at 6:10 am #195375AnonymousGuestDear Faye:
The title of your thread is “Broken trust”. Your last words on your second post are: “I just have problems trusting men in general… My dad has cheated on my mom multiple times, my previous boyfriend would lie to get me in bed.. I can’t tell truth from a lie anymore”.
First I will summarize your story, then will give you my input.
You are now in your mid twenties. When you were younger and not in a relationship, you used to “be a little wild, partying and fooling around”. You are “over that phase already for quite some time”, and you currently have many male friends. You’ve been in a very intense relationship with your now ex boyfriend, “extreme highs and lows”. You still think about him, “as if he lives there (in the back of your head)”.
You’ve been in a relationship with your current boyfriend for seven months, a “rocky ride”. Three months into the relationship, you let him use a phone of yours and he looked up your communications with all your male friends as well as one with your ex a year ago. He found no evidence of disloyalty on your part. Following this, you logged into his account and you found out the following:
1. He has been chatting while in relationship with you, with his previous “‘friend with benefits’ VERY FLIRTY.. winky faces and phrases like: ‘..I wouldn’t ever forget about you…you’re freaky… Show me a picture… we did have fun didn’t we?'”
2. During a time in the relationship with you when he was on a trip, texting you daily saying he missed you, he communicated to his ex girlfriend or FWB, that he didn’t miss you.
3. While in relationship with you, before the two of you “were official” he complained a lot about you to the same FWB, saying you were weak, depressed and annoying, that he preferred “his nympho girl”
As a result of your findings, you broke up with him. He begged for a second chance, telling you that “she was nothing”, that he was looking for attention because you weren’t giving him the attention he needed, that he would never cheat on you, etc.
Currently, you wrote that the two of you “still fight now and then.. I’m still hurt about the texting with that old FWB. I still don’t trust him and he doesn’t trust me either. He still brings up my ex a lot.”
My input:
1. Regarding the two of you looking at the texting history of the other: he found no evidence of you being disloyal to him. You found evidence of him being disloyal to you: flirting with his previous FWB is disloyalty. Telling her that you are weak and annoying and that he prefers her, calling her “his nympho girl”, is disloyalty, a betrayal of trust, even in the context of a relationship not being official yet. It is a betrayal in any context.
2. When you broke up with him and he talked you into resuming the relationship he used this arguments: “She (the FWB) was nothing”- that may have felt good for you to hear, but when a man says about a woman that she was or is nothing, it is evidence of the man not being a decent person. The FWB was and is something, a person of equal value to him and to you. Not a Nothing.
(When he told you: “did you *^% him too?” – that is also evidence of lack of decency on his part, a very disrespectful way to talk to you.)
His second argument is the classic argument of a cheating man: you didn’t give me attention, so I looked for it elsewhere.
Currently the two of you fight. You don’t trust him and he doesn’t trust you. Yet, you plan to move in together is a few weeks.
The reasons, I think, that you are planning to live with a man you don’t trust are the following:
* You don’t trust that his behavior is more than a … consequence of your wrongness.
* You don’t trust that you are able to evaluate him correctly. You “can’t tell truth from a lie anymore”.
Do you agree with the above two reasons? If you do, we can communicate about these (and other things) further.
anita
March 1, 2018 at 8:16 am #195403FayeParticipantThanks Anita for you input and thoughts!
I especially agree with the second saying: “You don’t trust that you are able to evaluate him correctly”. Because there only has been one occasion of his disloyalty and he seems very attached to me, very scared to lose me. But since I’ve grown older I have been confronted by the reality that people/partners will lie to protect themselves or to get something out of you. So whenever I feel “weird”. I start thinking: is he lying? But I can’t evaluate it correctly, is it just a feeling? Do I have a reason? Am I overreacting?
“You don’t trust that his behavior is more than a … consequence of your wrongness”
I’m not sure.. we’ve had so many issues already that I can’t tell if this just is who he is as a person. Or I bring out the anxiety, insecurity out?
About the living together. If I’m honest, it still seems like a good idea (I know it sounds weird). But my home can be very chaotic, my parents fight a lot, they have a big impact on me and not always in a good way. And also living together to me is kind of “a last resort”. Either it’ll do us good or it will make it clear that my boyfriend and I are not meant to be in the long run. It feels as if it would give me some clarity if I really want to continue this relationship.
About calling the other girl “nothing” I agree. I told him as well that I thought this was a very mean and cruel thing to say. Especially since he did care and She had some serious butterflies for her. I always wonder if he’s projecting. When we first got together he didn’t have anything nice to say about his ex either. I don’t mean things like: she hurt me, she played with my feelings. That’s normal I think but things about their sex life, about her appearance, her lifegoals. Which annoys me because it means if we ever break-up he’ll do the same and tell my dirty laundry to everyone.
And the weird thing is, last week when he told some story about a friend who had gone to her birthday party, you know some gossip. I’m not sure what it was about but I replied with something like: Oh well it’s not like your rship was that serious, from what you’ve told. And he got SO defensive about this and snapped at me with: You don’t know anything, you weren’t there.
He confuses me so much sometimes. He is so sweet and gentle, always telling me I’m the love of his life, wanting to be with me every second of the day. Buying me flowers, treating me like a queen. But it’s like he has this dark side that I don’t really like.
March 1, 2018 at 8:58 am #195421AnonymousGuestDear Faye:
I can understand wanting to move out from a chaotic home where your parents fight a lot. Maybe in comparison living with your boyfriend will be better. Better yet would be a third option, moving out, but not with your boyfriend.
Regarding evaluating him, notice this: when he was on a trip and texted you every day that he missed you, you found out that he told his ex friend-like that he didn’t miss you.
In your last two lines you wrote that he told you that he wants to be with you every second of the day.
Will he be sharing something very different with someone else, like he did during that trip…?
You don’t trust him based on some evidence you found. He also expressed lack of respect to you and to others.
Did you talk with him about how living together will be like, any planning?
anita
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