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November 24, 2017 at 9:27 am #179335StephanieParticipant
Inky, a good observation regarding potential co-dependency. Perhaps I need to cut myself some slack despite the notion that relationships take two people, thus leading a complex dynamic. From these responses on this forum and my therapist claiming such, there are indisputable issues on his behalf. Perhaps I am the “better one” because I know how to be single and independent (sadly, as this was an unchosen position for most of my life) and he is essentially trying to run away from himself by losing himself in another person – for much of his life.
I wish there was an easy way (and trying to find a way itself is difficult) to heal from the wounding feeling of being “left behind” – that he is out traveling the country with a beautiful fiance and living an amazing life, and I am sitting in a therapist’s office. Not assuming a victim mentality… but that’s the way it is. You would think the perpetrator, the one who hurts others, would receive the rotten end of the deal. But life doesn’t work that way.
November 24, 2017 at 9:50 am #179339StephanieParticipantFor some reason, my responses on this thread are not submitting through and I have to keep on recomposing from memory.
Inky, you articulated the fact of his co-dependency. Perhaps I need to cut myself some slack, in regards to thinking that relationships are reciprocated energies from two people, and examine his indisputable contributions to the wreckage. These contributions have been articulated throughout this thread and by my therapist. No intentions of haughtiness, but perhaps I am the “better one” because I know how to be single continuously throughout life (an unchosen position for the most part, but that’s besides the point). Essentially, him having other relationships lined up as a back-up plan, and going from one to the next is him essentially trying to run away from himself. To distract himself from his insecurities.
I just wish there was a way to try to move past the wounding space of feeling “left behind”. The facts of the matter: he is traveling the country with a younger, beautiful fiance and I am undeservingly sitting in the therapist’s office nursing my wounds. The feelings of righteous indignation are overwhelming. You would think that the perpetrator of the hurt would receive the worst end of the deal. I am not claiming a victim mentality, but the power he has, and the power he exercised when disposing of me is something to be considered.
You mentioned that his departure was a “blessing”, but how can I channel my thinking when the physical space (him traveling the country and me being alone and in therapy due to all of this) is unfair? I would be able to see it as a blessing if I had my own means to travel and do the things he is doing, because I would be occupied with that.
He did grow up in a very privileged family and had no struggles whatsoever in his life, health or money wise. My family deeply resent him now for what he did to me. “A pompous ass” and an “entitled piece of shit” are the strong words they are using to describe him currently. He’s in his 60s, thriving and happy and never experiencing health problems. His siblings have multiple homes, go on luxury vacations, and own boats. I am in my late 20s with a disease and alone, with no career prospects. What I am saying is that he got the better end of the deal, even in the larger context of his life. So, how does one find the “blessings” in the dissolution? Not contesting or refuting you, Inky, just trying to make sense of everything.
November 28, 2017 at 10:18 am #179729AnonymousGuestDear Stephanie:
You are not easy to forget, your thread has been staying fresh in my mind even though it’s been four days since the last post in it. I hope you are okay with me returning to it. Here are a few quotes from your writing:
“I am an INFP… an unchosen pariah.. I have a rare and incurable disease…I am invisible and others immediately dismiss me… (I) was in an intensely spiritual and metaphysical relationship for 4 years… on my birthday (28), he abruptly abandoned me via communication with my mother, saying ‘I never want to see her again’.
…all my close old friends… left me… His large Catholic family, whom I spent much time with and developed relationships with, all were ebulliently commenting on it as well. The betrayal was another aspect of me being destroyed… His abandonment left these horrific wounds.
A few weeks before my birthday I had taken a spiritual ‘vow of silence’, similar to what monks do to hear the voice of God… He did not tolerate this and was calling my mother frequently (I did not know this at the time; my mother told me after the break-up). On the phone he was desperate and in a great deal of emotional distress. He expressed how much he missed and cared for me. Then suddenly, a very small period of silence and then him leaving me suddenly on my birthday. It was a total change literally overnight. That is why I suspect he met this woman during this time period. But who seduced who? Knowing this woman’s history, I wonder if he was being taken for a ride.”
My thoughts regarding the last paragraph, from “A few weeks” to “for a ride”:
your information about the man’s state of mind after you took your vow of silence comes from your mother. She told you that he was desperate and distressed over you not talking to him. Then “suddenly”, you rote, he left you. You concluded that the reason he left you was because the other woman seduced him. I am thinking that the information your mother gave you about her conversations with him was not accurate, that there are parts of the exchanges with him that she didn’t tell you.
I highly recommend that in a future relationship with a man (and I hope of a man way closer to your age than that man, 36 years your senior), you will keep your mother away from it. Her involvement in this past relationship, I believe, did you a disservice.
I wonder about that vow of silence and am fascinated by your ways that are unusual, not ordinary, your verbal expressions, vocabulary, speech, even your dress as you describe it. If you respond to me, I will reply again and we can correspond. If not, I will let you be, wishing you well.
anita
November 29, 2017 at 7:39 pm #180005StephanieParticipantAnita,
Been struggling profoundly these days. The pain from being totally alone and in isolation, lonely, left behind, and forgotten by everyone in my life is just too much to bear. At this point, it feels like everything is inconsolable. This is a lifelong wound and healing is not a feasible concept, and the only thing left to do is to try and find the skills to distract myself from it. I am branded with a hot iron; my body has been torn open and turned inside out.
I have nightmares almost every night about Jim, my relationship. I wake up crying and some nights I don’t sleep at all.
I try, I try, but just end up regressing again. I go out to dinner alone, or try to go to an event but only end up leaving because the loneliness is so overwhelming. I spent most of my life in solitude and doing things alone, and I cannot contend with having more of it. My life on a daily basis is just eating, bathing, and sleeping. It took every ounce of strength over a course of a month to just get to those points of activities. I ask myself, “what for?”. What am I sustaining myself for when there is nothing or no one? I don’t have anyone that cares or loves me. I do have my parents, and am tremendously grateful beyond words for what they provided for me in my life… but I am referring to somebody who KNOWS me… somebody that cares and loves that knows me. I don’t know if I should keep on fighting or surrender, accept, and remain a hermit. The latter bestows a sense of control over the uncontrollable.
As far your conclusions regarding my mother, she did give accurate information, but she did not immediately disclose it to me. She never told me about the phone calls until AFTER Jim left me. My mother and I have talked recently about this and she said she feels “used” by him. My entire family is very hurt by him and also hurting for me, in regards to how he treated me. On the phone, she answered every call and listened to him. He’s called her during important meetings with her lawyer (working on her mother’s estate, who recently passed) and she picked up the phone and stepped aside just to talk to him. The “used” part comes in when Jim abandoned me, literally overnight, after desperately phoning my mother and begging her for me to talk to him during my vow of silence.
The only reason why my family got involved with the relationship is because he was over at our house for every holiday and family event, and we took him out to eat over the years as well. I did things with his family, as well.
I wish there were younger men in my area. But I reside in a rural area and the nearest small city offers nothing to that. I did not actively seek out an older man for a relationship, but rather, it naturally happened that way. Jim conducted advances on me. Peer relations have been painfully difficult my entire life, from childhood through my undergraduate. People my age have always bullied me and don’t want anything to do with me. Now that Jim abandoned me, in addition to my former friends who were of the same demographic, it shows that any person of any age cannot be around me. The pain is too much to bear. Some people were just not meant to belong in the world, and I need to accept it.
November 30, 2017 at 5:35 am #180039AnonymousGuestDear Stephanie:
I am glad you are back to your thread. You have expressed lots of emotional pain on this thread. I do hope your pain lessens. I hope you seek and find clarity you don’t currently have and a motivation for a better life ahead.
You wrote: “he abruptly abandoned me via a phone communication with my mother, saying ‘I never want to see her again’. He then immediately cut off contact with me; blocking my phone and ignored e-mails.” Later you elaborated: “He sent me a very terse, preliminary break up e-mail the day before my birthday. My mother was devastated to see me like this and sent him a text reminding him it was my birthday. He replied, ‘I never want to see her again’. He cut off contact and ignored my e-mails during that time”
You added later: “A few weeks before my birthday I had taken a spiritual ‘vow of silence’, similar to what monks do to hear the voice of God. I had made a vow to not converse to anyone, and I made this aware to him. He did not tolerate this and was calling my mother frequently (I did not know this at the time; my mother told me after the break-up). On the phone he was desperate and in a great deal of emotional distress. He expressed how much he missed and cared for me. Then suddenly, a very small period of silence and then him leaving me suddenly on my birthday. It was a total change literally overnight.”
And later you added: “My mother … said she feels ‘used’ by him… The ‘used’ part comes in when Jim abandoned me, literally overnight, after desperately phoning my mother and begging her for me to talk to him during my vow of silence.”
My understanding of the events: you took a vow of silence, a monk like vow of silence (or you simply gave him the more commonly known silent treatment following being angry at him, I don’t know). During that silence he repeatedly talked to your mother, telling her how desperate he was to talk to you. After you ended your vow of silence, he sent you a text the day before your birthday, ending the relationship. Your mother in turn, knowing of this text, called him and he told her that he doesn’t want to see you again. After that she told you for the first time that he repeatedly called her during your vow of silence expressing his desperation to talk to you.
If what she says is true, that he was desperate to talk to you while you chose to have no contact with him, then the abandonment you accuse him of is something you are guilty of: you abandoned him.
You wrote earlier: “He did want to marry me, but I declared the lack of feasibility due to the May-December component”. He wanted to marry you but you rejected him. Now he is engaged to be married to another woman, one who accepted his proposal and one who has not taken a vow of silence, refusing contact with him.
You asked in your original post: “How can somebody that claims love for you so deeply suddenly revoke it and commit this nefarious act? Any speculations to his motives?”-
The answer may be then: his motive was being abandoned by you.
Another point: it is not a nefarious act, a wicked or criminal act, to end a relationship except for a parent ending a relationship with his/her minor child. The latter is indeed a nefarious act of abandonment. When a man or a woman ends a relationship with a girlfriend/ boyfriend, it is not wicked or criminal act of abandonment.
One more point: the relationship with him had troubles for a long time before your vow of silence and the breakup. You wrote: “Now that I am thinking of it, toward the end of relationship this past year when he was emotionally withdrawing from me, I felt his retreat and responded with pain”. And you wrote: “Towards the end, he became intolerant of me and said he wasn’t going to listen to my health problems anymore because he didn’t want to feel ‘responsible'”
In your last post you wrote: “What am I sustaining myself for when there is nothing or no one? I don’t have anyone that cares or loves me. I do have my parents… but I am referring to somebody who KNOWS me… somebody that cares and loves that knows me. I don’t know if I should keep on fighting or surrender, accept, and remain a hermit.”
You made it clear in that last post that your parents do not know you. When you grow up unknown, in your family of origin, you become a stranger to yourself. And you experience an intense aloneness, one not congruent with mental health. I suggest you do fight in the sense of becoming known to someone. A quality psychotherapist will be best.
Lots of what you think you are, this cerebral old soul, spiritual, metaphysical, out of this world hermit, outcast, is what you became as a result of a very lonely childhood. Who you are, what is yet to be known to you, and to another, is the child-like, young, loving and lovable woman that you are, reaching out for love, craving for what you did not yet experience.
anita
December 1, 2017 at 8:18 am #180215StephanieParticipantAt this time, I must formally request for the forum moderator to delete this thread in its entirety. If there is a way for me to delete it myself, please advise accordingly.
I must candidly –yet respectfully – say that the conclusions drawn above are invalid and I found them to be quite hurtful, causing more pain to what already exists.
It is understandable that I am stranger communicating on an Internet medium, wherein there are difficult parameters and opportunities for misinterpretation. Especially in the context of communicating deeply personal affairs. However, the blame the victim mentality as suggested above was quite injurious to my current state. For the record, my vow of silence was not conducted for anyone but myself. I notified my relationship of my endeavor. It was not “abandonment” as claimed above. In the beginning, he was accepting of my vow, but then later became intolerant for no explicit reason (calling my mother).
The vow of silence wasn’t for him, it was for me. Jim had already emotionally withdrawn much time before then. He initiated the emotional departure, not me. He was also emotionally abusive towards me. So apparently I am “guilty” and at fault because of his initiation?
As far as “nefarious” goes, please do not minimize my experience. That is incredibly hurtful, not to mention denying the entire fact of the matter: he abandoned me. Taking the dictionary denotation of the word and applying it to my case is not relevant. Words have many connotations and various contexts, and denotation is a guideline on the linguistic spectrum. I have a degree in English and I have the self-assurance in my command to meticulously select words that accurately reflect the synthesis of the abstracted thoughts. “Nefarious” is a very accurate word to describe someone who had intentions –both mentioned in this thread and the many things I have not mentioned– to hurt another person and ensure the most damage as possible.
Again, I must request that this thread is deleted.
December 1, 2017 at 8:54 am #180221AnonymousGuestDear Stephanie:
I am a member here, like you. I am not able to delete your thread neither do I have the authority to do so. I do not know if it is at all possible for a thread to be deleted. I do know that it is possible for you to have your username deleted and that “Anonymous” will appear in its place.
What I can do, following this very post, is to no longer respond to your posts here or on any other thread you may start or post in. If you do not add to this thread it will go back in record and take its place among the thousands of threads no longer attended to.
If I receive no response from you, I will no longer respond to any post by you, and so, you will be protected from any upset resulting from my input.
I understand your pain and regret that you are experiencing it.
anita
December 3, 2017 at 8:42 am #180383InkyParticipantHi Again Stephanie,
I don’t know if you’re still reading this. And I’m sorry I skipped out before the dialog was over!
Please don’t take anything anita said as a personal attack. She was trying to help you and honestly, another person might look at her advice and take comfort from it. As in, “You know what, on some level maybe I DID abandon him!” and thus feel less abandoned themself.
Take care of yourself!
Inky
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December 3, 2017 at 9:07 pm #180431BuddhaBuddhaParticipantHi Stephanie, I just saw this thread and wanted to share that you are not alone in how you feel. I have gone through a similar experience in the past (being suddenly dumped, seemingly out of the blue, to find out later that he met someone else while we were together, who he is now married to). I was devastated and unable to recover, much like what you have described. I went to a therapist and very often could not stop crying. I had no interest in anyone else, and no amount of “forcing” myself to get out and be active seemed to help.
I think we have similar backgrounds – I was rejected, ostracized, made fun of as a child, and I did not have any friends for long stretches of life. I felt this acutely and painfully. I was very smart, and did not have social skills to allow me to “fit in” with most/normal kids/people. Having a close romantic relationship later in life was thus extremely important to me – it was everything. Without it, I had no reason to believe I would ever find that again. It took me well over two years to recover from this breakup, and probably three years before I felt like a functional person again.
I don’t really have words of advice for you; very little anyone said to me at the time was able to help. Sometimes, the only way out is through. To get past the pain, you have to go through the pain. It is terrible — but in the long run, I promise you it is worth it. I can tell you are extremely intelligent and deep-thinking. It seems almost no one is that way in the world anymore. It is very rare! I have been so fortunate to have found a few friends along the way who are this way – they are few and far between, but they are out there! And they are essential to me now having a somewhat healthy and emotionally stable life, as well as a very sweet boyfriend (after six years of being single after the last breakup) who I am fully confident in.
I just felt compelled to write to you because I feel like I “know” you – I felt much like you did/do about life and people for a very long time. I have always been “different”. I think I still would feel that way, if I hadn’t been determined and resilient through all my brokenness and pain and all the times I felt fully and utterly lost. Please be determined and resilient, or at least realize that suffering will, eventually pass, at least the acutely felt parts of it, and if you keep trying, life WILL get better. There is much more life ahead of you, even if that’s impossible to see now. And it may take years before the “better” gets here.
If you are ever in the DC area, I would love to have some tea and show you that there ARE people out there who will hear you, see you, and value your incredible capacity for thoughtfulness, reflection, deep thoughts, insight, creativity, and feeling. I really hope that you stay with it, keep feeling the pain as long as it takes, keep trying. I think life will be a whole amazing level of fulfilling for people like you who finally get it right. Sometimes, time is what it takes. I would not go back to my youth or my 20s for anything. In my 30s, things started to come together. Now, at 36, I might actually have found where I “fit.” I truly believe that you will too.
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