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January 4, 2019 at 12:26 pm #272301CsabaParticipant
Hey Everyone!
I just want to ask your insights about a problem I had forever now. I grew up in a great family, parents been together for 40 years now, they support and love eachother still, father is a masculine man and mother is a feminine woman, both strong and good people. So you can say I had a great model of how a great long lasting relationship works. Not many people get this present, I am greatful. I am a 24 year old guy currently and my first major relationship ended 3 months ago, I am working on fixing stuff currently about myself.
I am a mostly confident guy and I have no problem approaching women and dating them. By this I don’t mean that I am constantly dateing 20 people simultaniously, I haven’t had a date for months, Ijust that I mostly know how this stuff works and I am fairly succesfull if I go at it. My main problem is that I am not attracted to the type of girls I want in my life. When I think about what I want, it’s a nice girl, feminine, giving, caring, has high sexual needs, good with children, loyal, good communicator. I am pretty sure that there is no shortage of women like that out there since I met a few that matched that description. I am a regular “nice guy” as well, most of what I described above matches me too. However whenever I meet a woman like this, there is just no spark, no chemistry, no attraction. It’s not somebody who I would be head over heels in love with and I can’t force myself, I tried. The type of women I always felt attracted to are “bad girls”: tattoos, piercing, colorful hair, drug-alcohol problems, bad family, bad communicators, selfish etc you get the point.
I am pretty sure there are multiple people in this boat, my previous girlfriend was like this also and I am getting tired of this. I know that these types of people are interesting because of the challenge they pose but I absolutely hate myself for always falling for these types of people. Please, if you struggled with this problem before of always being attracted to the “bad buys/girls” and managed to solve it, find somebody who is a good match for you and you have no problem with the chemistry, please tell me, I am dieing to know.
January 5, 2019 at 8:11 am #272391AnonymousGuestDear Csaba:
You are not attracted to “a nice girl, feminine, giving, caring, has high sexual needs, good with children, loyal, good communicator. You are instead attracted to “‘bad girls’: tattoos, piercing, colorful hair, drug-alcohol problems, bad family, bad communicators, selfish etc”
I don’t have any advice for you at this point. But I may if I understand your situation better. And so, if you want to look deeper into reasons and motivations, please answer the following:
You wrote about your parents, “father is a masculine man and mother is a feminine woman”.
How did your mother behave when she felt angry at your father? At you?
How did your father behave when he felt angry at your mother? At you?
anita
January 5, 2019 at 9:07 am #272405MarkParticipantCsaba,
Usually we are attracted to those who share the same characteristic with whom we grew up with. Look at your parents (as Anita is asking about) and see if that is true.
I know that subconsciously I was attracted to angry women because my mother was one. I did not explicitly go for such women but it turned out they were as the relationship got established.
Mark
January 5, 2019 at 12:57 pm #272451CsabaParticipantThank you for the answers. Honestly I did not see much anger between them, because they always resolved thing through communication privately. I did not even know for a long time that they had disagreements. Towards me that is anoher story. Both of them loved me and were very patient with me and it was very rare that they were angry at me. I have a hard time trying to find a time they were. Maybe once. As a kid I was very slothful and hard to motivate (impossible to). They never yelled at me. I received one smack from father, which was not even a smack since it did not hurt and I was way out of line at a family gathering and I did not control my emotions and totally deserved it (even I felt it since he never did anything close to this), and honestly it was no big deal, we talked about it minutes later and everything was happy. It’s weird since the girls I am attracted to are complete opposites of them, they don’t share any traits whatsoever.
One thing that comes to my mind where they had their differences was sex. Father worked a lot and my mother raised 3 kids and I know that he wanted more but did not get as much. Honestly I though this is common among couples that the sex was not as much after the kids arrived, knowing them they probably would have solved it if they would have had the time but they had lot to do. This is the only part where I want a relationship that is improved over theirs since I have a very high libido and can’t be with anyone who only wants to have sex like 1-2 a week. But other than that I want to model what they had, so why am I attracted to the complete opposite? Usually these girls have lots of problems regarding their intimate world and I mostly failed in finding somebody amongs them who would love to have sex like once a day which is what I am looking for.
But anyway, even if they were angry at me I mostly did not feel anything from it. If I did anything where I would be angry or did something that hurt them they mostly solved it by coming to me a few minutes later and talking about it in a calm manner and we would solve it in a matter of minutes. They did not keep it in them, nor did they unleash it at me. They just waited a few minutes, we talked and it was over. Did I answer the question or is it something else you wanted to know, Anita?
January 5, 2019 at 1:05 pm #272457AnonymousGuestDear Csaba:
I will be able to read and reply to your recent post (and anything that you may add to it) when I am back to the computer, in about fifteen hours from now.
anita
January 5, 2019 at 3:07 pm #272479MarkParticipantCsaba,
There is an underlying reason why you want to be with such women. My guess is that you don’t want a long term relationship for there is a fear of intimacy. If you are with a “good” girl then there is no reason to leave. There is a part of you that fears to have a close relationship.
You say you want a caring, giving woman. Are you such a person yourself? Are you a good communicator, loyal and good with children?
Are you a fixer? Do you want such “bad” girls because you want to fix them?
Mark
January 6, 2019 at 6:39 am #272539AnonymousGuestDear Csaba:
You shared that you are a 24 year old man, that you grew up “in a great family”, with parents who “support and love each other.. both strong and good people”. As a child, you were “very slothful and hard to motivate (impossible to)”.
Your parents communicated privately, so you “did not see much anger between them”. You “did not even know for a long time that they had disagreements”, but at some point you found out that your father “wanted more (sex) but did not get as much” in the marriage with your mother.
As the young man that you are, you have a high sexual drive and you want a woman who also has a high sexual drive, but you are attracted to women that because of their emotional problems are not interested or available to have sex with you once a day, which is the frequency that you would like. These women are “‘bad girls’: tattoos, piercing, colorful hair, drug-alcohol problems, bad family, bad communicators, selfish” who “are interesting because of the challenge they pose”, but you hate yourself for “always falling for these types of people”.
It will take more time and more communication with you for me to understand what is happening. If you want to communicate with me further, then let’s continue:
1. What challenge did you refer to in “the challenge they pose”?
2. How old were you and how did you find out that your parents had sexual incompatibility- how did your father’s frustration express itself in the home, in his interactions with your mother and how did she express her feelings on the issue?
anita
January 6, 2019 at 8:15 am #272547CsabaParticipantDear Anita,
1. By that I meant that my experience is that most people even they say they want the “bad boy/girl” they enjoy the thrill of their partner being a challenge to them. that things don’t come easy and they have to work to earn their respect and everything in their relationship. This is of course false because these things tend to not work on the lond run but I found that most people find a much stronger sexual chemistry when they have to work ata relationship and not everything just falls into their lap. Even my previous girlfriend said this to me that it annoys her that I am not a “bad body” and I am not challenging, because “everything works perfectly fine and this is boring”. I think she meant what I desribed above in not so well communicated way.
2. It only occured to me when I was 20-21, when I started to came to them for guidance regarding relationships, intimacy. To me it seemed perfectly reasonable since hey, they have everything perfect so they could give me the best advice. Or so I thought. In mothers opinion it is completely normal that women want less sex and this was always the case in the world. Father wanted to have more but I think he repressed this in himself and found other ways to make himself feel important. He never cheated, in that I am sure. He focused on giving to his family, growing his business and this I think never got solved. They told me there were times when this question was sort of good, but mostly life got into the way. We never really saw this frustration at home. He mostly just told me about it privately. He said the same thing that it is normal that men want to have more sex and this is just the way things are and there is no use getting angry over it, although I saw the sadness and frustration on him when he told me this privately. So in short, father repressed it and foudn his joy in giving to his family and work, and mother was probably a bit frustrated because she felt like she can’t give to his husband as much as he want. We never really saw anything of this. I’ve only knowsn about this since like 3 years.
January 6, 2019 at 8:38 am #272553AnonymousGuestDear Csaba:
“He said.. that it is normal that men want to have more sex and this is just the way things are and there is no use getting angry over it”- meaning he was angry, doesn’t it?
“He never cheated.. He focused on giving to his family..”- but what did he get back?
Was he angry that he was a good husband, loyal, hard working and yet sexually frustrated, asking himself perhaps: what’s in if for me, or what about me!!!?
anita
January 6, 2019 at 10:52 am #272587CsabaParticipantIt could be, I don’t know how they solve this among themselves. He told me that this was never the main point for him a relationship, he had a hard childhood and wanted to have the best family and give all to his children which he did an awesome job at. I am sure he was frustrated but in his mind there were more important things in that relationship. On the other hand I don’t know what goes on in his soul and there could be truth to what you said, I don’t know. What wre you trying to say with this, Anita?
January 6, 2019 at 11:09 am #272595AnonymousGuestDear Csaba:
I am trying to figure out your motivations/ your struggle, examining different possibilities. A whole lot of what motivates us has to do with our early experiences.
An example: a father is a hard working for decades but is also unhappy. His son, loving his father so much, sad that he is sad, figures: I don’t want to be sad, therefore, I will not work hard!
anita
January 6, 2019 at 2:58 pm #272633BarryParticipantHi Csaba,
I feel your dilemma. I also had a similar problem for many years. After years of turmoil and strife, I finally realized that I was actually looking for mates that would be dependent on me. I had a self-esteem problem and I used these unfortunate souls (subconsciously) in order to feel superior. This was very selfish and malicious behavior on my part. Thank God I was able to acknowledge my problem and eventually rectified it. Let’s hope you can do the same.
January 6, 2019 at 9:17 pm #272693MarkParticipantCsaba,
Did you see my response? I am curious if you have any thoughts about that?
January 9, 2019 at 1:13 pm #273485CsabaParticipantHey!
Sorry for not writing these days, we had to do a lot of overtime and I only came home to sleep, but I am here and I was thinking about what you all have wrote.
Mark, the traits you wrote down apply to me, and I firmly belive in that you either attract the same or the complete opposite. Regarding the fixer part, I unfortunately noticed this in me in my previous relationship. Even though I knew that people rarely change, or mostly they just become a better versions of themselves I still wanted to make the relationship work, basically “fix” her. I tried to set a good example to her, because she was really selfish and a bad communicator (which I did not realise for like half a year). I thought that by setting a good example for her, which she never received, for a long enough time she will learn how great it is. I believed in this because I was really selfish back in the day and I did not even knew about it but I changed and keep on improving every day. I though this would happen to her too, even though deep down I knew that the chance for this is very slim.
A part of me fears closeness, which is true. I try to be the “unmoveable mountain” in my relationships. By this I mean that I am rarely pushed off my calm and centered manner, no matter how bad a situation is, I remain calm and objective, humorous and I try my best to solve it. Women love this because they seek this masculine presence, it makes them feel safe, no matter what happens I don’t lose my shit (in the end this did not applied, I was totally hopeless and broke). The downside of this is that I find it almost impossible to share my deeper self, because then they realise that I am not this “unmoveable mountain” but somebody who has confidence issues in certain parts of his life, who can be uncertain sometimes etc, whenever I tried to open up just a litle bit (I have to mention here that I was not walloving in my sorrows, but tried to keep it positive, explain how this helped to be the one I am today etc) I received nothing good. They mostly felt confused, or scared afterwards and I could see that they lost a bit of confidence in me, and it got to the point where I feel like it is pointless or impossible to open up. What you said about finding these types of girls so I can not be in a long term relationship could be true. Altough the reason I would say no is because when I found somebody like my ex who really moved me, I gave 120% to the relationship and loved every part of it. So I was motivated for it to last, I think it’s not the case here.
Barry, what you wrote really rang a bell in my head. I was thinking about this the other day, in most of my relationships people always told me that I deserve way better then who I date. I usually disregarded it, but I heard it so many times that it got me thinking and I realised that most of the people I dated were not “on the same level”. I am not trying to be harsh or be narcissistic. They were younger then me, less experienced, self esteem issues, less driven and all sorts of other traits were not so desirable in them, and I usually never realised this, only afterwards. This really came true with my previous girlfriend. She was still going to high school (she was 19, I was 21) when we became a couple and I was already working and had a university diploma. As harsh as it sounds it was not hard to impress her. I was working and had learned by experience all the stuff that guys her age don’t know. In some weird way while I was his boyfriend, I subcounciously tried to be his father that she never had a relationship with and she was the daughter taking no responsibilities. I know how screwed up this sounds. I was basically the one in charge and I liked that I felt “superior” in some sence. I only realised this now and I honestly feel really ashamed and guilty. I subcounciously looked for somebody who I could feel superior with and this is a horrible thing to do. I never felt confident with women who are equal level as me, I always thought I couldn’t be a man next to them, or they would see thought me, which is BS but I still feel this way for some odd reason.
Anita, I can’t really say much about this as I have not worked on myself this way, but I will think abou this and get back to you in 1-2 days.
Thank you for help again everybody, it makes me motivated to know that there are people out there who help complete strangers on the internet. Thank you.
January 14, 2019 at 1:36 pm #274545CsabaParticipantIs there something I should elaborate on, or was it too long, should I decrease the size of what I wrote?
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