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  • #74062
    J2BSA
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    It has been over two months since I ended my 4 year relationship and I am still wondering whether he was abusive or it was my fault. I would really like some advice please and find this forum is full of really great people with a lot of wisdom. I hope one of you can help me.
    Our relationship started in a very rocky way. I was due to leave the country where we met in 6 months, having just ended a relationship of 3 years, 6 months previous. Given this context, our relationship started as “casual”- with “no strings”- I knew this was not what I wanted but for some reason I felt drawn to him and maintained the “relationship” until I left (despite being hurt many times by the emotional distance he tried to maintain). After I left, we maintained a LDR for the next two years- seeing each other every 6 weeks for the first year of the LDR and 2-3 weeks for the second year. The LDR was his suggestion and, although it is not something I would have ever considered before, again I felt drawn to him and just went along with it. The LDR was very tough on me and I found myself dealing with jealousy and insecurity many times, especially when we did not communicate for a while, and knowing the hedonistic party culture of the country where we had met, and where he was still living. We had many fights, but for the most part I tried to work on what I what I recognized as my own insecurities and trust issues. I tried to express that I would like more communication but it was rarely met with understanding. He would point out that I was being jealous and needy. Despite all of this, we continued. Eventually after 1 year, he suggested I move to a country closer to him and thereafter moved back to where he was living. This is what I did.
    I had hoped that all our problems were based on the distance and once we would be together, things would change. But, they got worse. The intimacy I so desperately craved never developed. He didn’t seem interested in me or what was going on in my life or what I wanted or anything beyond the superficial level. I felt like an object he owned rather than someone he loved. He would never want to do things with my friends, always changing plans at the last minute or simply avoiding discussions about such plans until he would inevitably make plans for us with his friends. The way he would speak about people seemed cold, calculating and manipulative to me. I quickly learned that he lacked empathy for anyone, including me. I had quite a serious incident of violent crime outside our apartment and he did not show any emotional support for me (he suggested we go to a friend’s BBQ that same night to help take my mind off it!) and he called me “jealous” when I tried to tell him I was upset I couldn’t reach him when he went on business trip soon after it happened, and I was struggling with the fear of being alone. He stopped telling me if I looked nice when we went out (always saying “you look fine”). I started to feel very insecure when we were out and I would see him flirting with other women (or at least that is how I perceived it…… I don’t know if I can trust myself or not on this). He refused to go to my best friend’s wedding with me, after he had initially accepted , instead going to the wedding of a guy he barely knows, and didn’t see it as necessary to apologise. He would give me short responses if I asked him about his weekend, almost like he wanted me to feel like I was interrogating him, when he was away on a trip, but would expect me to give him blow-by-blow accounts of mine. He even accused me of cheating one time, when it is beyond ridiculous as I would never do that. He would always avoid any discussions, or my attempts to address the problems I saw we had with communication. He would simply change the subject or eventually get angry and suddenly turn the fight into something else, and I would get completely lost and find myself having to defend myself for something in the past, which had nothing to do with the current problem, and for which I had apologized. He said I apologized too much and that was weak of me. He never apologized. He once left me alone in a foreign city after I begged him not to, as he said he had to pick up a client from the airport and I could not come as she had feelings for him and my presence (his girlfriend of 4 years!) would anger her, and she was a big client and I just didn’t understand how “business” was done. He never apologized and only used the episode against me as evidence I was unsupportive of him and his work and ultimately jealous (as always!). Despite all of this, he was making plans for “our” future….. he never asked me what I wanted….. just made plans for me to fit in with his life. There are so many other things, but they were so subtle I am not sure if I am the one who has the problem…….
    My behavior was bad too….. I started drinking heavily and would sometimes get aggressive. It was like I couldn’t get him to ever hear me even though I had been trying so hard in healthy ways, so my frustration would become so much and I would lean on alcohol. This was the worst thing I could have done. It only acted to further kill my own self-esteem. I became very insecure and jealous. He would always remind me of my jealousy, even if we were arguing about something completely unrelated, like how he never cooked, for example. We could not communicate at all.
    He would go from ignoring my attempts to talk to getting very angry and aggressive- he broke his own hand once hitting a wall during an argument, threw my laptop across the room, and locked me in the bedroom once to prevent me from leaving. Leave is what I did.
    After I left, he contacted me incessantly (still does now but less frequently), but never to apologize for the last aggressive outburst which caused me to leave. Instead he keeps telling me I have jealousy issues and it is not his fault and we just need to get back together and forget about all of this.
    The thing is, I know I need to get some professional help to process all of this and work out how much of our problems is due to issues I have (attachment/jealousy/insecurity?). But, I am stuck in this country for one more month and I don’t have access to that help. My friends here are a good support. But, although they say he is the one with the problem, I worry their advice is a little biased.
    I realise you don’t know all the details of this, and the above is maybe presented in a very disorganized way….. but if anyone could give me some insights I would really really appreciate it.
    Sorry for the lengthy and confused story. I have lost all trust in my own perception of things. I only have doubts. I know I don’t want to be with him anymore, but I am afraid I am the one with the problems, and I will have the same issue again in a future relationship if I don’t resolve them.

    #74065
    Jodi
    Participant

    It sounds as though the two of you were just not compatible. We all have our issues to deal with (jealousy, insecurity etc.) and the fact that you recognize your own stuff is huge! Keep working on yourself and you’ll be better able to attract someone who is also working on themselves. That is what leads to more compatible relationships, shared values and common goals. Best of luck to you!

    ~Jodi

    #74086
    Will
    Participant

    His aggression — punching walls, destroying your possessions, and locking you up — do qualify as abusive behaviour. It also sounds like he kept you basically attention-starved.

    I’m glad you’re not considering getting back with this guy. He sounds like bad news. Yes, maybe you have jealousy/insecurity issues, but you deserve to be treated well all the same. He should have tried to help you get over your jealousy, not used it as a club to beat you with.

    Good riddence, and keep walking, sister.

    #74088
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi ldr83,

    He basically used you as a possession. Hell, HE is the one with the jealousy issues ~ he keeps bringing it up, accused you of cheating, and sees you as a possession. God forbid he ever sees you as a person! Then he would lose control. Sister, it is ALL about control with him. By the way, if you were jealous, that’s not a bad thing. Jealousy and insecurity are the body’s emotional response that ~ Something is Wrong.

    If he ever catches you on the phone, say, “The therapist says and all our friends always warned me that you’re the jealous one.” Then hang up and block his number. Oh, hell, just block his number!!

    #74097
    J2BSA
    Participant

    Thanks Jodi, Will and Inky.

    I really appreciate the time each of you took to read my story and to share your wisdom. It feels good.

    I did feel controlled a lot in the relationship so Inky, your words really resonated with me, and also Will, what you say about a partner helping one work through one’s issues seems nice and I hope I find someone capable of that in the future. But, for now, I want to be alone so I can focus on helping myself and trying to make the best of what happened in terms of personal growth and learning.

    I guess if I am being honest, I want accountability for what happened. I would love if I could have absolute clarity on what part of what went wrong was his and what was mine. Which came first. However, I guess I need to let go of that, right? How does one do that?

    #74109
    Inky
    Participant

    The first (and hardest) thing to do is to make peace with the probability that he won’t give you what you want. That would be an apology. Now, he might contact you years (decades) from now and say he’s sorry for the way he was as a young guy. But who has time to wait for that? Also, for some people, even if we know we did something wrong, are too prideful to admit it.

    For you, feeling and acting “jealous” was perceived as “wrong”. Well, jealousy is a feeling. And as for acting jealous, it sure seemed to be what he wanted, despite his chidings.

    In other words, you’re not crazy. He made you crazy. He was more wrong than you. And I bet he knows it.

    Now, block his number. Do a made up I’m Starting Over ritual. To New Beginnings!

    #74132
    Will
    Participant

    Everything Inky said.

    We rarely get perfect clarity about anything. There’s a lot you’ve already taken from this, and as time ripens, you will see more clearly. Just keep reminding yourself to be patient with the uncertainty, which will be a given for the rest of your life.

    #74149
    J2BSA
    Participant

    Thanks Inky and Will. Your advice really helps and I know you are both right. I should probably spend more time building up my ability to “let go” and continue to focus on working on myself and my issues, than trying to seek some sort of validation of what “I” think went wrong. This is what I will do.
    Wishing you both lots of peace and love.

    #74237
    Waterfalls
    Participant

    He sounds really toxic. If he’s managed to confuse you so much that you don’t trust yourself anymore, then he can almost count on you coming back. It sounds like your identity has been compromised and he’s found a way to ‘control’ you and keep you under his will. The fact that you’ve acknowledged your part in this is huge, just like someone else has said. But don’t make excuses for him and his behaviour. I think your gut is telling you the answer to your question. The fact that you have to ask others whether you have the problems or he just means you don’t trust yourself — but that doesn’t mean you don’t already know the answer. You just want us to say ‘yes, you’re right’, he has all the problems! A relationship is made up of two people. However he treated you and you him, you both gave each other permission to be that way. It’s time to accept that and to ask yourself what kind of treatment you’re willing to accept in the future. Take this relationship as a warning and as a lesson, can you imagine your life like this? Years and years going by in such chaos? Take this ‘pause’ as an opportunity and use this time to really start trusting yourself and your intuition again. Some people just aren’t worth putting in so much effort for.

    As for wanting accountability… it’s easier if you learn to let go. He sounds like he’s going to continue ‘suffering’ if he keeps behaving the way he has been, he won’t ever find peace or joy or light. That is karma right there. Focus on you instead, bring those things into your own life.

    One more thing for you on your journey to recovering your self-esteem. This book saved my life once when I was in a similar position as you, perhaps it will help you too. “The Language of Letting Go” by Melody Beattie. Just pick it up and read a few pages.. I have a feeling it will speak to you immediately, like it did to me. Good luck on your journey.

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    #74263
    J2BSA
    Participant

    Thanks so much for the wise and caring words Waterfalls. I am growing stronger day by day and beginning to trust myself and my intuition more and more again. As you say…. I am using this “pause” to think about me and how I want to treat others and to be treated. It is only the beginning, but I feel stronger each day. Thanks for sharing the book recommendation. I will certainly check it out. Thanks once again for taking the time to respond. I really appreciate it.

    #74760
    J2BSA
    Participant

    I was hesitant as to whether update this post but thought it may help someone else who is going through a similar situation.

    I finally started to accept I had to try and “let go” and that I would probably never obtain answers to the many questions I had regarding what went wrong in our relationship and what part of this was my responsibility. Last week I was finally told by a close friend that my ex-boyfriend had cheated on me , at least once, but probably a lot more. One of the girls he even invited on a weekend away together as a group before the end of last year. I have been trying to deal with a wave of mixed emotions: anger, humiliation, sadness, but, the feeling that has risen above all of this is one of relief. Why relief? During the 4 years of our relationship, but particularly in the final 2 years, my ex-boyfriend spent most of the time reminding me I was a jealous and mistrusting girl and he was the victim of my “paranoia”- he could do nothing. The relief comes to me now, as I know, at least in some small part, I am not “completely” as he described me.

    However, this “relief” also worries me somewhat. Is this once again my need for external validation of my instincts and my feelings? Is this self-doubt and insecurity what probably drew him to me, kept me in a relationship that I knew “deep down” was not right for anyone let alone me, and ultimately has me still wondering , how much of my mistrust/jealousy was a natural response to his behaviour towards me and how much was , as he described, a product of my natural psychological make-up?

    Was my hesitancy to write this update because I fear I am incapable of trusting my own ability to self-validate my feelings and beliefs?

    #74787
    Will
    Participant

    I’m a little confused as to what you’re worried about.

    So, it seems that your paranoia was justified in that he really was cheating on you. And manipulating you and turning your justified concern/distrust into a problem with your personality.

    Good riddence, then. Don’t overthink this: he was bad news, your cheater-radar was functioning correctly, you are free of him, all rejoice.

    #75046
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    My eyes teared for you because I can tell you are hurt all the way to your core. You are not the one with the problem. You may have done things at certain times that caused arguments but that happened because you already felt hurt and misunderstood. You didn’t get the nurturing you needed from that relationship, in fact you got the complete opposite. And for him to say forget about everything and get back together like your feelings mean absolutely nothing is just so selfish of him. He obviously needs A LOT more time to reflect how he made another human being feel and all the wrong b.s. he did. As for you, you are absolutely right about getting some help, maybe just some counseling to help fasttrack your healing and remind you that what you are feeling is normal. It may take some time to come to terms with what happened and you may come up with a hundred questions to ask him but don’t speak to him. Let him think about what he did and how wrong it was.

    #75054
    Kath
    Participant

    As Will said: Don’t worry!

    How we behave also depends on the person we are with: If your partner reacts in a reassuring and comforting way when you get jealous it might just go away. But this guy just messed with your head. Whether he actually cheated or not: he did not behave in a very trustworthy way, and played his part to make you jealous.
    So, in a relationship where there is trust you might be a completely different person!

    And: We all have the need for some external validation, a great part of our perception of reality relies on it! So there is nothing bad about it! Take it and be happy about it, it shows you that your feelings were on spot!

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