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  • #73471
    wilma
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    No, you are neither crazy nor abusive. I am somewhat in a similar situation. My now-ex would tell me I was bipolar, he would ask which personality he is talking to. The list of things I could and could not do, bordered on ridiculous. When I confronted him and said he was abusive, he too claimed that I was the abusive one. As you have already written, mind control is a powerful tool. There were days when I felt smaller than small, when I questioned my own sanity…and I possess an undergraduate degree in Psychology, at that.

    Abuse takes many forms. There doesn’t have to be physical contact for it to be considered as such.

    I am so sorry you are going through this right now, same as I presently am.

    The best of luck and stay strong!

    Wilma

    #73472
    megan-nicole
    Participant

    Ugh the bipolar thing!! He has always said, “I don’t know which you I’m gonna get today.”

    As far as physical, he has pushed me and he got in my face one day, screaming at the top of his lungs; then preceded to grab my hands and punch HIMSELF in the face…I pretty much took that as a warning sign of, “uh, this could be you one day…that could be your face.”

    I appreciate your comment a lot. I guess I am, above all else, looking for validation…Because, of course, I feel guilty after being accused of so much from him and made to feel like the “bad” person. I hate the guilt, the doubt, and the emptiness of this whole situation. It’s amazing how someone can you treat you so poorly, yet with one conversation, that same person can manage to turn your whole thought process around.

    #73473
    wilma
    Participant

    I would get the same thing…”which personality am I talking to today?” I don’t meet the criterion for being bipolar. Its a word they use without knowing what it even means.

    I got the nipple twists. Finally one night I told him that if he did that again, I would leave. He stopped. Imagine having that done to you during their most sensitive time of the month. Luckily, that was a far as the physical went.

    I too feel guilty of being accused of being abusive. I was often too afraid to say anything. I am not sure how I was abusive. I guess I will never know.

    Surprisingly, my previous boyfriend has reassured me that I am perfectly normal, and nowhere close to being bipolar or having a split personality.

    As much as it hurts for it to be over, I’m also relieved. I don’t have to listen to someone tell me I’m something I’m not. Hopefully we can both put the mind games behind us and live the lives we were meant to live.

    #73506
    Will
    Participant

    You know you’re not crazy. You know this is a bad situation to be in. The not-crazy thing to do would be to get out of this relationship.

    Don’t beat yourself up for “falling for it”. It’s insidious. Unhealthy patterns develop over time, and get worse slowly. You’re not stupid and you’re not crazy. You just need to let go of this guy.

    Take care of yourself, and have patience while the dust settles. My best wishes to you.

    #73511
    megan-nicole
    Participant

    I’m such a “benefit of the doubter.” Can someone like this actually improve these behaviors? i.e. treat someone better? Last night he actually admitted that he was wrong (first time he’s done that ha), and he’s just so convincing. I know, I know; now I’m probably being stupid…But, I feel so conflicted and pulled all over the place. One day I’m 100% sure I can do this; then, next thing you know, I’m questioning myself again…thinking maybe now that he sees how he’s been, he won’t continue.

    But, I also know the desperation and “offerings” that can and usually do occur after a break up. I also, however, believe in eye-opening experiences, learning from wrong-doings, and working on correcting bad patterns oneself displays. Someone can tell me I’m stupid in this case lol…Seriously, maybe it’s what I need to hear. He just now sounds so sincere. I can’t believe the ups and downs in all of this!

    #73513
    Kath
    Participant

    Hey!
    First of all I personally think that he is indeed abusive (threats? namecalling? disrespectfulness? passive agressiveness?…), and that this will not change but only get worse…

    Do you feel loved in this relationship? Do you feel you can grow in ways that are good for you? Do you feel safe? Do you feel strong in this relationship?

    I too put up with a lot with my current boyfriend. He also behaves disrespectful from time to time, though he never called me names or got physical in any way! He actually did change in a positive way throughout the years we have been together, however we still fight a lot (right now because we are trying to move together again). This only works because we started out from a much easier place than you are in, and because he recognises his own behaviour and takes full responsibility for it, as I do for mine…

    A friend of mine, a very strong and intelligent woman, was in a similar situation not long ago. She called me and said: Am I crazy? Do I really need help? Her boyfriend told her she needed psychological help because her behaviour was destructive to herself and to others. However, I have known her for years and know she is none of this! He was projecting his issues on her, until she almost started to believe him. I told her what I tell you now: You need help when YOU feel that you need to work on something, or when someone close whom you absolutely trust tells you from a place of love that you should work on something. In every other case you’ve just got the wrong partner.

    It does not have to be anyones fault, sometimes its just the combination of people that does not work because it triggers unhealthy patterns. And to be honest, there is only so much work you can put in… It’s very hard to let go of intense relationships like these, but you deserve to be loved, to be treated respectfully and to find someone who can cope with who and what you are…

    #73514
    Stephen
    Participant

    Hi! You know that this is abusive behavior, and I think you know what you have to do, but are afraid to take the next step.
    People can change, but it takes time. Are you willing to take that time, and risk a worst-case scenario?
    Is he worth you putting your safety on the line to help him? From what you’ve said, I’m not convinced that he is.
    Sometimes people fall into a habit where they think that what they say or do is said or done jokingly, or that it’s not that big of a deal, but they don’t realize how it affects other people.
    It’s the way their minds work.
    For some reason, your boyfriend thinks all of these things that he’s doing is acceptable, and they’re not. Imagine how long it will take for him to completely re-learn how to interact with someone.
    Benefit of the doubt is a good policy, but you have to draw the line somewhere. I don’t think you can help him, and I think (I know you have no reason to listen to me, but think about it) you should consider leaving before it’s too late.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/08/living/inside-batterers-mind/
    Peace 🙂

    #73519
    wilma
    Participant

    Oh no, no, no. I dated “the benefit of the doubt”. That is, I already knew his reputation. I thought he had changed because he seemed so sincere. Leopards don’t lose their spots in the wash.

    The brain is a powerful tool. It can take you places you want to go, and don’t want to go. It can play games with you, just as he is doing. The cycle will continue as long as you let it. Me, I got my things and got out. I’m only on Day 2 post-breakup, but already I feel so much better. I am not looking back; the calendar has so many more days ahead. Time is a great healer.

    The next time you are considering getting back with him, I would encourage you to come back here and re-read your original post as if it were written by someone else. What advice would you offer to the poster?

    I continue to wish you the best of luck.

    #73533
    megan-nicole
    Participant

    Thank you everyone. I’ve had a rough past couple of years and that alone has really contributed to knocking me down. I’ve lost a lot, I’ve lost people I truly truly cared about…I don’t want to make that mistake again. What if I don’t give him the chance and he really has had an eyeopener? Of course, I know, he’s had plenty of times prior to this to “open his eyes;” but I still am in fear of letting go to something that may be worth it. Ugh I don’t know.

    #73558
    Kath
    Participant

    It is very sad to lose people you care about. But there is one person you should not lose, and that is yourself!
    Even if he had an eye-opener, he will need hundreds of them before actual change can happen! This takes years! For everyone, even if they really really understand and want it! Are you underestimating the costs of this relationship right now because you are afraid to go out there alone, to lose something and to face yours fears and loneliness…?
    Maybe you need some more time to be sure and to fully understand where this is going… but keep in mind that if he continues to put you down in any way, you will also lose more of the strength and may find yourself in a really bad cycle…
    Whatever you do, don’t let yourself be abused! Keep your strength, your self-love and self-respect – this is your job in life – not being loved by others or trying to hold things together or fixing someone else! No name calling, no disrespect, no threats! NO relationship should feel like this!
    (sorry, this makes me really emotional, maybe I’m on the wrong track, but this is how I feel about the things you wrote…)
    Take care!

    #73559
    Will
    Participant

    You can give him another chance, if you feel it may pay off. You can give him as many chances as you like.

    I’m serious: you know the risks here. You’re not naive to the cycle of abusive behaviour, you know this may just him playing honeymoon behaviour until you reconcile and then he can mess with you again. Or maybe he realises he made a mistake and will make a genuine effort to change.

    What you risk is time – the time you spend trying to make it work with someone who may never be good for you. But you have a lifetime. It’s ok to risk losing some time sometimes. The only other risk is that every time you listen to his honeymoon patter and forgive him and give him another chance, you get enmeshed a little more deeply in what may be a spiral to heck. Will it be easier to say goodbye next time he’s driven you to the edge? Can you look in your heart and say honestly, this is really his last chance?

    You deserve better that what he’s been giving you. Much better. Know that, and use it as your compass now and in the future.

    #73560
    Will
    Participant

    Aside: it’s funny how often you can read the title to a thread and know the answer without reading the posts.

    Abuse or am I crazy? -> Probably abuse.
    Does he love me or not? -> Since you’re asking the question, probably not.

    I guess that’s what we do here, giving people the answers they already know, so they can believe it.

    #73720
    Cupocake
    Participant

    Hi. I read your post and all of the comments. I’m actually in a web of emotions lately. Long story short. I am a lesbian femme married to a bunch. Six and a half years now. I’ve left twice. And came back both times. I’m sure you can imagine how the taking me back went on. But I struggle with firstly I am feminine, emotional, full of self doubt etc.. I can empathize with everything you guys feel. I feel it too. However, being she is buck/more masculine and dominant, we express things differently. Yes she is a woman and has the same chemical emotional makeup, but we’ve been fighting lately and it feels we are on other sides of the world. She’s got mental issues anxiety etc.. but my concern is, is she really in love with ME or just the idea of me or the idea of love or whatever her expectation in her mind is. I am deeply romantic and passionate and I find its like she is too.. but not the way with ME that I envision. She’s got health problems too so questioning the status of our relationship is nearly impossible and I have looked pay our stormy history, but its peeking back through .. and the last fight we had I was an emotional crying wreck… and yet I sadly looked up pinterest quotes to cheer myself up and apologized and tried to act put together, but we start bickering and then my mind spirals all over again. Is this right? Does she want to change me out vice versa? Should I ignore the BS and focus on our love and commitment? But what if we’ve just habitually conditioned our hearts to feel our minds to believe we are deeply in love when maybe just maybe me, or her, or both is just in love with the idea of love. God I had to google the difference to get it. I still don’t understand. But then what if I’m deep inside expecting this love that’s not “her” like she will never never chase me down after a fight and apologize and profess her deep love for me. She’s a stubborn italian. But in all sincerity, I am more concerned that maybe my life my relationship isn’t going to go the ways I keep ring to convince myself they will be. If that makes sense. We’ve had bouts of confrontation, emotional, mental, physical… maybe I’m all shaken up tonight because it’s the first time in a while it went “there” physically. She stormed off to the bedroom and I sat shocked on the couch and cried like a part of me died. And all I could do was sob and pray to god. This is days after she bought me a rainbow rose and told me how much I have been helping her etc love love bla bla.. sorry for the ramble. But I’ve had zero outlet in like 6 years..

    #73722
    Will
    Participant

    Let’s make this simpler, cupo. Forget the question of whether you love each other or the idea of love or whatever.

    • What qualities do you want your life to have? What does happiness look like for you? You want passion? Stability? Peace? Lot’s of excitement? Laughter? Friendships? Make a short list (3-5 things).
    • Does being with her give you those qualities?
    • Imagine life a year after your break-up. A year after so you’re not in the middle of the mourning process, you may have found someone new or at least got used to living on your own. Imagine where you’re living and what life is like. Do you now have more of your happiness qualities, or less?

    Now you know what would be right for you. Take this into account when making your decision.

    Finally, “But I’ve had zero outlet in like 6 years.” Why is that?

    #73726
    Cupocake
    Participant

    Thanks. Those are really good straightforward questions to consider. I really cannot see cutting myself off from this relationship. Though I’ve done it before. I’ve come back. . And realized this is where I being, with he. Etc etc fill in a reason. I can come up with hundreds of reasons to stay. I’m not even questioning staying or going, maybe subconsciously I am.. But deep down when I am by myself to think and ponder, I always feel I’ve come up short. I just got a Facebook page after like four five years because I didn’t have my own internet access really. And I did searches of all these old friends and family and family friends. I’m like taken aback. Everyone’s growing up getting older doing things with their lives, and I know it’s just Facebook.. But I haven’t been in touch. You see I have a different life than before I met my wife. I’ll grrr into it later.. But I has a life, friends, a job, outside environment, stimulation, hobbies, sex. And sex I’d a whole different subject too, lol. But anyways, everyone is growing up and even though technically I am too, it feels like life is moving on without me and I’m still her standing still in essence.. I don’t have a job, or a ton of friends, or a noted direction. I’m like a homebody housewife. Cooking cleaning. Taking care of my wife and our cats. Always together. She’s old than me.. she did the whole twenties experience life figure yourself out thing. I married at 20. Like for months after I turned 20. It was impulsive, romantic, adventures, knock you off your feet lovely fantastic love. So I sat lets get married. Unbeknownst to what a long term live together marriage is about.. I didn’t know it affects your sex life, or you start arguing, or have responsibilities, and finance trouble. Things didn’t fall into place naturally.. we struggle and to this day struggle, but we manage and are grateful foot everything. It’s a Lot at once, well combined .. my personal inner struggle and discovery, growing up, my future, her health, my health, or relationship. It goes on and on. But she’s diabetic, overweight, has mental issues, type a blue up in your face kind of girl, and we’ve had ups and downs buy we keep making it through. A find example of strength. But to be honest, I’ve lost who I am along the way, I had a briefish affair, and still feel pulled in many directions. I can convince myself I’m happy no worries, and I can convince myself I am sad and psycho over analyze everything till I am in tears. WtF. And as for the question, it goes back to privacy, trust, freedom and lack of it and lack of friends.. sad. I wish we could have a normal “hey I’m going to sallys for the weekend see you when I get back” secure relationship.. nope. It’s just that’s not how the dynamics are and the mental stuff too affects it. I hope none of these posts can be found by her somehow she will kill me. Lol not really but she’ll be pissed. Thanks again. Any other comments on anything is always welcome.

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