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Hi Mark, have you found a good counselor to talk to, yet? I would really try to see if she would attend couples counseling with you, let her know you aren’t feeling heard and that you want to feel better about the situation but you just can’t quite figure out how to.
Do you think your wife, outside of this particular situation, is really someone who would take advantage of you? If not, remind yourself of that when you feel taken advantage of in this one, and, again, make sure your boundaries are clear. I can see compromise being a good idea given the green card issue, but getting one must be actively worked on and a plan in place for after she does, where you will know that she will not be staying with you after that. Having that plan in place may help you feel less taken advantage of and more like you’re just being a a good and understanding husband. Also, perhaps what you might need is more appreciation? Have they shown you a lot of appreciation for allowing her to come back and stay there as many times as she has? And for flying them all over for the wedding?
ValoraParticipantHi Mark,
There is a thin line between being taken advantage of and being understanding, and the deciding factor on which side your situation falls is your wife’s intentions. It sounds to me like they have been trying to find her mother many different places where she can go and where she does go and then it doesn’t work out, so she comes back. I can understand why your wife would feel that she needs to give her mom a place to stay when things don’t work out. Now, with the green card situation, you are all between a rock and a hard place. I’m not sure your wife’s intentions are on the side of taking advantage of you, but I don’t know your wife at all, so that’s something you’re going to have to really evaluate. If it were me, I think I’d probably try to wait it out a bit longer, as long as the intention is still to get her a green card so that she may come and go rather than intending for your mother-in-law to live with you forever. It might help to have another discussion with your wife just to make this boundary clear, but I fear if you give her an ultimatum, she’s going to choose her mother because NOT choosing her mother likely means she won’t see her for 10 years unless she goes and visits her in her home country, and I know if I were in that situation, I would hate that idea and would do anything I could to avoid it. Just something to think about.
Your feelings about this situation may just require a perspective shift… and perhaps if you decide to stay in this situation until your mother-in-law gets a green card, you and your wife could figure out something that makes you feel better, such as your wife taking your mother-in-law for visits to other family members’ houses for a few days so you get the house to yourself once in a while, things like that.
ValoraParticipantHi Mark,
Did your wife ever discuss the idea of her mom coming to live with you or her feelings that she will be responsible for taking care of her when you were dating? If not, I agree with Anita about her taking advantage, as that’s something that should have been disclosed at some point over the time before you got married. If you had discussed it, it’s possible that she assumed you’d be okay with it and wasn’t trying to trick you (although she definitely still should’ve discussed it with you again before moving her in).
If you give her an ultimatum, just be prepared for the possibility of her choosing her mom. I hope she will go to counseling with you if you’re able to find a counselor because I think it would help some if she understood your feelings on this, too. Even though her mother never gets in the way, I can totally understand how her presence in the house would be awkward, especially since she doesn’t speak the same language. I would not voluntarily enter a situation like that either, and I think it’s important for your wife to know and understand your feelings on this, and if she cannot respect them, you might be better off apart.
October 16, 2019 at 9:34 am in reply to: How to tell my bf I don’t want to travel with him now #318217ValoraParticipantI think you should just explain to him what you explained here. You can soften it if you want by telling him you love spending time with him and understand why he wants to come, but you really want to dedicate the week solely to professional development so that you can get the most out of it that you possibly can, and you don’t want him to feel neglected or to worry about not giving him enough attention. Hopefully he will understand, because I think what you want is reasonable.
October 15, 2019 at 10:10 am in reply to: sudden indifference/lack of interest in relationship #317971ValoraParticipantHi Lily!
I totally agree with Peggy, that is great advice. I also want to say that when we experience boredom, depression, or unhappiness with our lives in general, our relationships are often the first thing to be targeted and cut, thinking that is the problem, when often it’s something more internal that you’re not happy with. Trying Peggy’s suggestions first is definitely the way to go, and if, after you are feeling better overall in the other areas of your life, you are still having doubts about your relationship, that’s when you should reassess it. Given that you’re feeling unhappy overall, though, it’s probably not your relationship that is the problem, and ending it at this point likely won’t help. What WILL help is self-care. And see if you can find a hobby that you enjoy so much that it absolutely lights you up.
ValoraParticipantHi Felix!
It’s likely she keeps rejecting boys because she hasn’t found any that she connects with in that way, and it’s possible she’s the type of girl who doesn’t mind being single, so she will stay single until she finds that connection. If she doesn’t feel that connection with you after being such close friends already, I would not count on it ever happening.
Do you think it’s possible that you keep feeling like she wants to get your attention because that’s what you are hoping for? It would make you feel good if that were true? It seems to me, though, if she wanted your attention, she would just message you because you haven’t blocked her or asked for time apart yet, right?
I think the best way for you to get over this is to look at the situation exactly as it is without reading into anything. If you are close friends and she isn’t making any effort to talk to you other than liking or commenting on social media (which typically doesn’t mean anything more than friendship to most people), it’s likely she isn’t interested in anything more with you and I wouldn’t assume or wonder if there’s more at this point, given her behavior. If she’s not interested as it is, you not looking at her stuff on social media won’t likely decrease your chances of her being interested, and you looking at her stuff won’t increase it either because it would’ve worked by now if that were the case. You’ve been active in her life for a long time and she still isn’t interested…. so I would quit worrying about what will or won’t affect her interest in you and just focusing on becoming your best self for you.
If, in the future, when you are both older and she is out of high school, you two become close again and she seems more interested and ready to date, then I think it would okay to tell her how you feel, but as for right now, I would just try to move on, and, who knows, maybe you will attract someone you like even better and will forget all about her.
ValoraParticipantI just want to say I agree with Peggy, I think your real problem is that you’re focused on what you feel you don’t have rather than focusing on all of the things you do that are attractive… and I do not agree with Anita that your relationship is dead, necessarily, and I would not say she doesn’t love you. You haven’t really said enough about the situation for us to know that. I want to remind you of this, too:
She seemed to feel that I was upset and she said she would become more careful about filtering her thoughts, which she has done and which I appreciate. As we talked though she avoided or deflected my real concern that she found me unattractive.
You came to her with a concern and she said she would become more careful, and she has. That is her hearing you. She listened to what you said and responded in a way you appreciated. However, she likely avoided or deflected your concern because she didn’t want to hurt your feelings by whatever she’s feeling, especially once she realized her comments before were hurting you and you were upset, why would she want to hurt you more?
Also, I do think you WERE able to come to her with your feelings because you DID and she changed her behavior. I think that says something good that’s worth noting.
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ValoraParticipantI remember your previous threads, as well, and I think it’s very important that you accept that she is not interested in you romantically. She is trying to be nice about it, though, by saying she’s just not interested in dating. That is her trying to let you down easy without hurting your feelings, but if someone comes along that she is truly interested in dating, be prepared for her to start dating him.
I am telling you this because I want you to realize that you blocking her for your own self-care is not going to affect whether or not she dates or gets close someone else in the future. That is likely going to happen regardless of what you do, but you will probably feel less pain when she does if you take the time to detach from her some. So I would just explain to her that you need time apart, then block her on all outlets and don’t talk to her for a while, at least until you are able to stop thinking about her all the time, are feeling better, and have accepted that she is not interested.
ValoraParticipantPeck,
I really like and appreciate that you’re taking the time to think and respond rather than react. That’s a REALLY excellent quality that a lot of people don’t have, and I bet it’s one of the things your partner loves about you. That action alone gives you a ton of value.
ValoraParticipantI think when I say I’m insecure about my looks, what I mean is that I feel invisible, and I so want to be seen. And maybe if the woman who loves me doesn’t see me anymore, or perhaps never did see me as I hoped to be seen, then I have to let go of the hope that anyone ever will. And I don’t believe that words spring from my mind accidentally. When I write “seen” I suspect I mean the word more broadly than as it pertains to seeing or attractiveness. Being noticed too. Important? Worthy? Real?
Have you ever heard of love languages? It seems, from what you’ve been saying in your posts, that yours is words. You tell your partner that she is attractive and you so wish that she would tell you that she finds you attractive, because that’s how you would know and feel it.
The thing is with attractiveness from strangers or even friends, you wouldn’t know whether they noticed you unless they came up and told you that they did, right? There could have been plenty of people who noticed you throughout your life and thought you were handsome, but if your mind was focused on feeling invisible, you wouldn’t notice them noticing you unless they told you directly, which people don’t often do (unless you’re a woman in a bar filled with drunk men. haha). But I think women as a whole often don’t go up to male strangers or even male friends and say they find them attractive. So you probably don’t even realize how many people have “seen” you over the years because people haven’t came up to you and told you, so as far as your mind was concerned, it just didn’t happen because it didn’t have solid proof in words. Does that make sense?
Check out the love languages when you get a minute and see if the words one resonates with you. It might also be a way for you to tell your partner what you need from her. Even if she works on verbalizing any of the wonderful qualities that makes her want to be in a relationship with you, I think that would surely help you to feel better.
ValoraParticipantHi Peck,
What I was talking about in my post was not to not talk about your feelings, because being able to talk about those things without judgment is important… what I was saying was for you to do what you need to do to GENUINELY feel more confident, to not depend on her views for you to feel confidence. If you felt genuinely confident, you wouldn’t really have so much of a need to talk to her about it because you’d feel confident without her validation, and then that would give off a confident energy, which is attractive by nature. That’s an energy you can’t fake, though. You truly have to feel confident/attractive for yourself, no matter what anyone else thinks. And attractiveness, especially for women, is not all about physical characteristics… it’s everything else, too. The whole package. So improve what things you can (that bother you specifically, not anyone else) and accept what you can’t improve and build your confidence from there.
I still say it’s possible either she has a low libido or maybe was feeling unattractive herself, so she was trying to bring you down with her. That’s what is generally going on, I think, when people nitpick others.
ValoraParticipantHonestly, I really think the healthier thing to do for the kids would be to separate completely but get them into counseling so that they have someone to talk to and can learn healthy coping mechanisms related to this situation.. If the parents stay living together for the kids’ sake, they probably shouldn’t date other people for the kids’ sake either, because them dating other people is also likely going to have a negative effect. They may have to accept that they cannot separate without it having SOME negative effect on the kids, and if they are completely worried about them being damaged, they need to just stay together for the next 13 years. This whole thing seems well intentioned but still unhealthy as it’s likely to set an odd example for the kids growing up and can you imagine what their friends are going to say when they get older? I guess it depends on the country though, I don’t know much of the culture in Croatia, so perhaps this is more normal there? Still, it might be a good idea that they at least talk to a psychologist who specializes in children’s clinical psychology to get an opinion on what is actually the best thing to do in this situation if they don’t want to stay together and committed only to each other.
I’m so sorry to hear about your job situation. Perhaps if you do end up moving, you will find better options that will be more stable commitment-wise in the place you move to.
ValoraParticipantI’m quite a bit younger than you guys and haven’t experienced such a long-term relationship, but I kind of feel like the loss of physical attraction is somewhat common as people age, as unfortunate as that is, so it’s possible she might not find you as physically attractive as she once did, especially if you’ve changed a lot in appearance over the last 20 years. She also might be experiencing a drop in libido in general and may have said those things because she doesn’t have much interest in sex, so they were said as a way to repel you from her physically rather than attract you. In that case, it might really not have anything to do with you at all.
My advice in this case might not be very helpful probably because I’m not sure what can be done to change it (unless you have let go of yourself, in which case, doing Anita’s suggestions above of working out, dressing better, etc., would probably work wonders), but it might be helpful at least for your emotional state to fully accept that this is a natural flow for many relationships as people get older and many tend to lose physical attractiveness. It says absolutely nothing about your worth or value as a person or to her as she is still with you and seems as if she wants to be with you, so even though she doesn’t vocalize it, I’m sure she finds a lot of value in having a relationship with you, and it might help you to feel better emotionally if you focus on that instead, at least in the way of self-esteem.
Actually, if your self-esteem has been low, that can reduce attractiveness as well, so it might be helpful to rebuild confidence by shifting your own focus to all of your other wonderful attributes and what you have to offer, which is actually worlds more important to women than physical attractiveness, believe it or not. Her attraction toward you is far more likely to come back (because that is something that can come and go, too) if you are showing real confidence…. unless it’s a low libido thing for her, in which case her lack of attraction is stemming from her own issues.
ValoraParticipantHi Natalija,
I’m 37 and single, so I get what you’re saying about dating (although I’m really not looking and have a lot of guy friends that treat their girls very, very well), but I would still definitely look at this situation as objectively (and nonemotionally) as you can because it’s likely to blow up on someone (or all of you) in the future if it doesn’t change, which would mean he’s not actually much better than the other guys you’ve been out with if you’re still ending up in a bad or hurtful situation. I think it’s a good idea to give it more time, though, if you’re truly unclear. I’m sort of just hoping they will change their minds, and I’m sure you are too, but there are no guarantees with this, and 13 years is a REALLY long time. Maybe he isn’t thinking in terms of just how long that is either and isn’t fully grasping it.
If he does get counseling, it might be good to talk to a counselor or psychologist about the effects on children in situations like this, if it’s REALLY better for them for the parents to stay living together while dating other people or if it’s actually healthier to really separate. I’d have to wonder if any studies have been done on this.
ValoraParticipantIf I may ask you another question before I give my thoughts…. if you don’t feel she is attracted to you physically, do you know what attracts her to you emotionally? Given that she’s with you and has stayed with you for 20 years and shows really no signs of wanting to leave (based on what you’ve said), she must really love you and many of your qualities.
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