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Do you know if he wants children? Adopting is always an option if you can’t have them and want them. If you’re both 39, though, it might not even be on his mind as that’s kind of late in life to start having kids, so you might find that that won’t be an issue with him at all anyway.
Do you think you might be focusing more on reasons that he might not want to be with you than focusing on reasons why he DOES? He has been with you for a long time, so he clearly has lots of reasons why he is choosing to be. Maybe taking some time to write down all of the things you think he might like about you or that he’s told you he likes will help you reframe how you’re thinking.
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ValoraParticipantHi Sparkle00
Speaking from experience, your fears can and most likely will become a self-fulfilling prophecy if you don’t get a handle on them. Not that he will find someone he likes more, but that he will tire of not being trusted by you. Every boyfriend you have will tire of this, so it’s best to start changing your beliefs now. If you are able to regain self-confidence and self-worth, I think there is hope for salvaging the relationship. I would suggest that you start seeing a therapist regularly and let your boyfriend know that you realize that you have insecurities and fears that you need to work on and to please be patient with you while you do this.
In the meantime, try your best to discern which thoughts of yours are fears/insecurities (the ones that cause anxiety usually come from fear, not intuition) and then don’t argue with your boyfriend over those thoughts. It’s likely you’re picking fights with your boyfriend to try to ease the fear you’re feeling, but those fears are letting you know that you have issues from previous situations that you need to deal with and don’t likely reflect on anything your boyfriend is actually doing, so arguing with him won’t help to ease them. It ends up turning into a vicious cycle that won’t end until you change what you believe about yourself and others. Your beliefs CAN be changed, but it’s going to take work and strategy (guided by cognitive-behavioral therapy) on your part.
ValoraParticipantalibro991,
It’s my impression that when you go through divorce proceedings, your husband would have no choice but to split assets. If he doesn’t want to sell the house, would he not have to pay you for half of it if it were acquired during your marriage? The only other problem is divorces are very expensive, and with having no money as it is, I can see how that would definitely make things difficult. Do you have any way to get enough money to be able to go through the proceedings?
ValoraParticipantI’m glad you guys had a good weekend! You’re right, though. If you can’t make things work in “real life,” then that means she isn’t right for you. You can always try though but she is going to have to get a handle on her kids. Big time. Like real tough love big changes, not allowing them to act the way they do, getting them any sort of help they need for any behavior issues, that kind of thing. Or you will both be miserable.
If you think about it though… when you take away the pressures of real life and go have a fun weekend, you can have fun with literally almost anyone that you get along with. That’s why everything feels so great when people first start dating, whether they’re dating the right person for them or not. They’re just off having fun adventures together. It’s how you feel and how you react together during the real life pressures that matters because that is what is happening the majority of the time.
As for your ex, it’s also possible that she’d been acting so weird because of cognitive dissonance. She made a decision and she’s trying to find reasons why she should stick with that decision even if/when she feels differently. I wonder if that’s what’s going on with my ex sometimes too when he’ll message me to tell me something and then just stop talking in the middle of a conversation.
I hope you’re able to gain some more clarity on things, and talking with your girlfriend would be a good idea, even if it’s just to stress that there need to be some BIG changes made right away or you two will not work for much longer. You should set your boundaries there and stick to them. After that, it will be up to her to make those changes and they will be beneficial to her either way, too… and if she can’t make those changes or if it still doesn’t feel right, it’d be a good idea to just break up so you each can find your match.
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ValoraParticipantHi Sparkle,
I just read your other thread where you said the following:
Right from the start of our relationship I’ve had a problem very insecure about other women. Whether I would lose him to someone else. The last month we have started to fight verbally about it. He tells me if I just control worrying about other women it will be fine between us.
Those fights and your worries alone will cause someone to doubt you, especially if he, himself, hasn’t given you any reason not to trust him (for example, if you don’t have any evidence that he is interested in any other woman and it’s likely more fear/insecurity on your part). If you’ve been fighting about this a lot lately, it’s likely going to make him feel like you are incapable of trusting him, and if he is trustworthy, he will not want to be with someone who can’t trust him.
Also, lots of people who are jealous feel this way because they are doing things they shouldn’t be and they are afraid their partner is doing the same…. I’m definitely NOT saying you’re doing things you shouldn’t be, but that’s a concern that people have when their partner starts to get jealous when they don’t deserve it. In other words, he may he having doubts that you’re trustworthy because you don’t trust him.
So…. if your guy is trustworthy and if this is something that is coming from your own fears and insecurities, the best way to deal with this is to do some soul searching and figure out why you’re feeling this way. Challenge those feelings, thoughts, and beliefs on this that you have. Change the way you think. It’s good to be cautious when you’re first getting to know someone, but once you learn someone can be trusted (which you should always do BEFORE you enter into a relationship with the person), you have to be able to give them that trust. If you feel you can’t trust them, you definitely shouldn’t be in a relationship with them.
And most of all, remember that everyone is different. Your current partner is not your previous partner. Just because things may have happened one way in the past or might have some familiarity to your current situation, that doesn’t mean that’s what’s going on now. Our minds like to connect things and think all these fearful thoughts as a way to protect ourselves from feeling pain, but instead we end up self-sabotaging great things.
So remember: The past can warn us not to make the same mistakes in the future, but it cannot predict the future.
ValoraParticipantI responded to this but apparently it didn’t post, so I’ll try to rewrite what I said. haha
I don’t mind at all if you run what you want to say by me first. If I were you, I’d probably not go into too much detail with what you say though. I wouldn’t mention your ex at all and make it more about how you feel you aren’t romantically compatible and that you two just aren’t a match for each other. Those are pretty concrete things that aren’t anyone’s fault but also can’t really changed. You’re either right for each other or you’re not. Keep it simple and then honestly answer any questions she has.
ValoraParticipantHaha… I totally get what you mean by how you felt making that drive. I haven’t driven through my ex’s town either since we broke up and I almost had to drive through and right past his house to take my daughter to a swim meet and my mind was going nuts over it. I was just all kinds of anxious and it didn’t even make any sense. haha. We ended up having a snowstorm that day though so the meet was cancelled. Made me realize how hard I’ve been avoiding anything to do with him though.
Anyway, yeah, you definitely, definitely at the very least need to have a talk with her about boundaries and her attitude ASAP, even if you don’t break up with her right then…. and if she fights you over that, it’s very good reason to break up with her right then and have her start working toward moving out faster. She needs to understand that what she is doing and how she is responding to everything is pushing you further away. She is responding in really petty ways and her jealousy is basically out of control with that “I’ll just take my kids there, me and them.” You can’t change that you visited a place in the past (before you even met your girlfriend!) with your ex, so it’s a silly thing to even get upset about, but it shows you where her head is at.
The other thing is… you’re not trying to keep her or win her back, so you have absolutely no reason to put up with how she’s acting and her behavior is going to produce the exact opposite result that she wants, and she neeeeeds to understand that. There’s absolutely no way for you two to even have a hope of a healthy relationship with her acting like that. So, at the very least, even when you do break up, having this conversation about her behavior will hopefully help her learn a lesson that will be beneficial for her future relationships. A breakup might be good for your girlfriend if it spurs her to change, like breakups do with so many people. I personally have a much, much better mindset and better priorities than I did 2 years ago because I got a kick in my butt to change my situation and how I was thinking. Sounds like your girlfriend could use the same thing. She definitely needs to get out of victim mode, like life’s just handing her lemons. Meanwhile, she’s the one growing the lemon trees.
ValoraParticipantNo clue if anyone will read this because i have been defensive and pushed people away – but I want to apologize for being that way. I’m pushing my friends from home and people on this site away. It just goes to show I’m a shitty person.
I appreciate all of your input up to this point. I won’t bother anyone – to those of you who tried to help, thank you. I’m just a lost cause who isn’t willing to accept my situation. I apologize for any time you’ve wasted. Best wishes.
I think what you’re going through and what you’re feeling from this situation is normal. It’s okay to step back and be alone when you need to, just don’t let yourself get in too deep of an isolation for too long because it does help a ton to talk to people and have their support. It’s also okay to let yourself feel whatever you need to feel until you get to the point where you can move past it. It’s okay to not completely accept it until you feel ready to accept it. All of those things come with time and it’s important to move at your own pace. This is all still pretty recent for you and it takes a while to get through all of these emotions.
In the meantime, please don’t let your mind convince you that you’re worse than you are. You are not a crappy person or a lost cause. You’re in pain, your mind’s in pain, your heart is in pain, and it all feels awful. But it won’t forever (even when it feels like it will). And we all are here for you whenever you feel the need to vent. I hope you start feeling better very, very soon and please be gentle with yourself in the meantime.
February 14, 2019 at 4:59 am in reply to: Do I have the right to feel the way I do? Am I being unfair? #280125ValoraParticipantCan you give us some examples of instances where you felt she was critical of you? How did she react to the Valentine’s Day gift?
February 12, 2019 at 2:16 pm in reply to: Confused and struggling but need help making a decision #279935ValoraParticipantI kind of wonder about exposure therapy, which in his case would sort of work like what Anita was talking about… you two engaging in a sexual relationship without him having to worry about getting an erection… starting with the smallest things that feel good like just holding each other in bed with no expectations, etc., and working your way up to other intimate things, with the key being no pressure and no expectations, just going into it ready to enjoy whatever happens.
Generally, when people have irrational anxieties/fears around things that are completely safe, they can often get over those fears by increasingly participating in those things until they eventually learn through their own experience that those things are, in fact, completely safe and nothing to fear. So I definitely agree that it’s possible that him getting more comfortable with sexual activities without having to worry about getting an erection could get him out of that loop. Doing that would take a lot of the pressure off of him in that moment, and he’ll be more likely to realize the pleasure sex brings, which should hopefully diminish the fear.
(Keep in mind here though that I’m a random person on the internet who doesn’t actually know your husband, so it’d be a good idea to run that by his therapist).
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February 12, 2019 at 1:29 pm in reply to: Confused and struggling but need help making a decision #279927ValoraParticipantYou don’t have to answer this if it’s too personal, but have you two never been able to have sex at all or is it just few and far between because of his performance anxiety?
I have to wonder what they are doing in his therapy sessions. There are cognitive behavioral techniques that can be done that might help a lot, but that knowledge is going to depend on what kind of therapist he is seeing. Does he go there just to talk to them about what’s going on or do they have him working on different techniques to try to get over his anxiety around it? Do you know if he has any idea where/when the anxiety started? If it was caused by any certain event?
The next thing is how old are both of you? If you can and if the clock isn’t ticking too fast, per se, I would probably hold off on treatments for now, if it were me. This is something he really should hopefully be able to work through either way (provided he is seeing a good cognitive-behavioral psychotherapist) and IVF treatments are very, very expensive.
ValoraParticipantHi Elizabeth!
I read a blog the other day that I thought was really good. When someone was asked whether they thought their ex would come back or not, they simply replied “Live like you’re expecting them not to.” I think it’s always good to have hope and there is also literally NO LEGITIMATE WAY to know what the future will hold. He may realize in a few months once the honeymoon wears off that he made a HUGE mistake and was being guided by his inner turmoil rather than by what he would want otherwise. He may not come back at all. There’s no way to say for sure, so I like that line of thinking… that it’s best to move on like you don’t expect to get back together but that it’s okay to not lose hope, just the same, especially if your intuition is telling you to keep hope or if you’re not at that point where you feel ready to let go of it. I feel like sometimes when we try to push ourselves for something we’re not ready to do yet, it can bring on some cognitive dissonance, and that can practically cause as much suffering as the initial betrayal did.
P.S. I think I accidentally hit “report” when I was trying to hit “reply” to your post. My screen jumped around right when I did it, so in case it gets taken down, I apologize for that. I definitely didn’t mean to click on that. They should put that link on the opposite side or something so it isn’t right next to the “reply” link.
ValoraParticipantYeah, those feelings that I described and that you felt with your ex are either there or they aren’t. They aren’t just something that develops in the absence of troubles like I think you were hoping they would with your girlfriend. Instead, they are inherent and intuitive, it’s just a special type of connection that you would feel IN SPITE of all of the other troubles. Even aside from that, couples can be compatible with lots of other things, but you and your girlfriend have so many current INcompatibilities (like her kids and all of the troubles that are result of her financial irresponsibility, for example) that it would really take some big, special-connection compatibilities to make up for it, just like you said… if you had felt that intense love connection, all of this stuff would most likely bother you less or you’d at least be happier in general because you’d have that intense love feeling. So that’s basically what I was getting at there.
It sounds like your expectations of what would happen kind of got the best of you, but that’s the biggest problem with expectations… they aren’t always right. Those are the things that often let us down. Try to forgive both of you, though, for not knowing what would really happen when you made all of these different moves that you thought at the time would help.
That’s awful about her pay. I would have her see how soon they increase the pay, too. Also, has she looked into consolidation loans at all? Sometimes you can get enough to put everything together and lower interest plus a little extra that would give her enough for like two months rent on an apartment.
Waiting until the end of the month sounds like a good plan, too. She should have her taxes back by then too, right? In the meantime, though, I would have a talk with her about boundaries right away. I get where her insecurity is coming from, but it’s misplaced right now because your ex flat-out told her she was “done” and you haven’t heard from your ex since. You aren’t having an affair behind your girlfriend’s back and you have every right to your privacy either way. So I would just let her know that her behavior with that is driving a wedge between you two and you won’t stand for it. She either has to give you some trust or you need to part ways right then and there.
And yes, I absolutely, 100% think you’ll forget about your ex once you find a woman who meets your needs. For sure. Especially if she’s a mature and responsible woman. Quite frankly, that’d be even better than your ex has been!
ValoraParticipantI think your take on what’s happening now is really insightful, and I see a lot of similarities with your situation in mine, right down to my ex pushing his friends away, too, and him also not really fully dealing with a traumatic event from the past. I pretty much came to the same conclusions in my own situation, so I agree that your husband is probably using her to mask what’s going on inside him, but this will only work for so long. Eventually he’ll either have to face it or find something else to mask his pain. My ex felt proud that he didn’t turn to drugs and alcohol this time, because that was his go-to as well before he dated me, but I don’t think he realized at the time that he just turned to a different kind of distraction.
I also had some issues in the months before we broke up (I was very overwhelmed with the abundance of things I had to do and really fell behind with housework, among other things) that I was trying to work on, and the breakup actually freed up a lot of time that I was able to then use to fix those issues even faster. I bet the same thing will happen with you, too, as you continue to work on things. The growth just starts to happen faster. So there can be benefits to this as well, even though it truly is an awful thing to go through and I’m sorry that you’re having to deal with this right now. You really do seem to have a great head on your shoulders, though, and a lot of insight, which I think will help you a lot overall.
I also totally get how hard it is not to ruminate on things, and I even catch myself still doing it from time to time when I feel lonely, but it gets easier to curb that, too, once you’re able to truly find the silver linings. I truly believe things like this happen for a reason.. because they’re necessary for one reason or another. That good reason just sometimes doesn’t make itself known until later. I now think our breakup had to happen for us to both experience the level of growth we needed to make. Had we stayed together, I would’ve tried to skew my growth toward whatever it was he wanted or needed rather than making sure to take care of my own needs, and I think I’m much happier now that I’ve figured some of that stuff out for only myself. So maybe you’ll end up noticing something like that, too.
ValoraParticipantI’m about 1 year and 4 months out from the breakup. We haven’t really gone more than a month and a half without some form of communication in that time, and usually it’s super short talks, but it pulls me back in every time. I’m doing well now though. I was completely devastated for about 8 months or so, cried almost every day no matter how hard I tried to just let go and move on, but counseling helped a lot and so did working on myself. I was sort of able to make sense of what happened after a while and that understanding helped me to resolve it in my head a bit, even though I never really got full closure. Watching videos by people like Kyle Cease and Kerwin Rae helped a lot, too. It just sort of gives you a different perspective.
Just know it’s okay and natural to be feeling the things you’re feeling and there’s nothing you can do about the sadness than to just sit with it until it passes. From my experience with it, if you’re similar, you’re likely going to go back and forth between being critical of yourself and him and being understanding of everything. Grief from the loss will come in waves, but those waves will get fewer and far between as time goes on, or at least that’s what I’ve noticed. I still miss my ex because he was also my very best friend, but I’ve come to accept the breakup and all of the good that I’ve gotten from it with all of the improvements I’ve made in my life that I might not have been pushed to make otherwise. So I’m grateful for that. Hopefully either your husband will eventually get himself straightened out and start lining his words up with his actions again and you two can rebuild or you find someone you connect even more with.
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