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Dear Natie,
Iāve been catching up with your posts on this thread, since when you posted originally I was on holidays and rarely at the computer. I see that youāre questioning whether it was a good idea to initiate the breakup, and further, whether youāre an evil person, a devil, for focusing on your career first and not wanting to settle down just yet.
This is what you wrote on the subject of career vs settling down:
he wanted to get married from the first year of our relationship and i want to be with you but lets first figure out our careers and do our MBAs and then we can settle.
he said some ugly words about the fact that he doubts any guy would want to be with me with my mentality ( not wanting to marry right now and join him at the states because im still not ready and we agreed on marrying at 27 and so i arranged my career and studies to happen prior to that time-
he always told me he was proud of me and how motivated i am in my career and he feels bad for my bad luck in my unstable jobs but suddenly i was told twice that i was selfish and i put work as a priority because if you love someone you need to compromise and life is short and work in a specific field is not important
im putting alot of effort into my career and studies at least for the next 3 years and refusing to tie the not in the meantime,
im asking too much from a guy to wait all these years ( especially that he met me at 21/22) just for me to start my career and get my MBA , , in his own words ā no guy waits all that long , all i want is to be with you , i dont see why you cant make that happen even if it means to change your entire career you can always find another job..
he saw my latest internship to the UAE ā as a selfish move and that i did it for my own good and not to the good of the relationshipā ā> which is a point i can not understand till now
we had a huge fight two days ago where he ended up acusing me of being slefish and just want to follow my career
i asked him to continue doing our long distance relationship like any other couple but he said that this is not love and im not putting him as a priority then
It appears that from the start of your relationship, he wanted to settle down relatively soon (presumably after you both graduate?), but you didnāt want that and expressed that to him. You then agreed to get married at 27, after you get your MBA and/or settle in your career. So it seems that in the beginning, he agreed to wait and supported you in pursuing your career and further education first. But after a while, specially after his fatherās death, he seems to have changed and started accusing you of being selfish for putting your career first before him.
Would you say thatās true ā that you initially had an agreement, and then the circumstances changed, and as a result, his attitude changed too?
It could be that his fatherās death was a big emotional shock to him, and suddenly he became more vulnerable, asking you to accommodate for that and change the original agreement (of getting married at 27). But you had and still have the same goals and ambitions as before (nothing wrong with that), and didnāt want to abandon them just like that. So youāre sticking by the old plan, and heās asking you to change it, for his sake.
I donāt think youāre evil for wanting to accomplish your career goals. I donāt think he is evil either for feeling vulnerable and perhaps lonely, and wanting to settle down sooner. I still think it would be best if the two of you could talk honestly and try to understand each otherās motives. But if every discussion you have ends up in an argument and him accusing you of being selfish, then he isnāt willing to see your point.
What I am noticing as a potential problem is that perhaps he doesnāt feel heard by you, because you tend to immediately offer practical advice on how to reduce his pain. For example, when his father died, you said you were sending him prayers, meditations, suggesting therapy etc, but when talking to him on the phone, you werenāt very supportive but moody, and perhaps he sensed it. Perhaps, rather than hearing about ways to reduce his pain, he just wanted to be heard and his pain acknowledged. Or, when he called you from the US in the middle of the night, crying, you told him to man up and were upset that he woke you up:
3 days after his arrival to the states he called me crying in the middle of the night and i was like really? and i started talking with a high pitch but all my content was me telling him the following ā its toughĀ i know we all been there , i know people who kept on crying for 6 months and wanting to leave and then they survived it ,, i went through this just like you last year and its going to be ok, you need to man up as your father told you ,, etc..ā anyways we ended up arguing as he was like why are you screaming why are you acusing me of waking you up , why cant you be more loving by telling me that its ok to go back home or to keep on crying and that its difficult and nothing forces you to stay , etcā¦
It seems like he didnāt feel heard by you, because you sort of attacked him for calling you in the middle of the night, and then you told him to man up and āget over itā.
You said you were like a mother to him in the first 2 years of your relationship, helping him in so many ways and teaching him how to improve himself. Anita likened your behavior to that of a practical mother. Indeed, you seem to be very practical and pragmatic in your approach: if thereās a problem, you seek to fix it as quickly as possible. But you may be missing the soothing, comforting quality of that āmotherā ā having compassion and understanding, and simply listening to the other person, being there for them, āsitting with their painā, so to speak.
It doesnāt mean you need to be a mother to him, either a practical and problem-solving, or a comforting one, but I am just saying that there might be an energy about you where you tend to seek solutions before you really empathize with the person. I wonder if you see any truth in this?
TeeParticipantDear Peace,
I am sorry you’re feeling anxious and upset, or as the opposite extreme – flat and numb, after he asked you to marry him. Perhaps the most important question is – do you want to marry so soon (by the end of the year), or you were thinking to graduate from the university first?
Because you might like the guy and be willing to marry him some time in the future, but if you’ve set some important goals for yourself (like finishing your studies), his rushing you and having expectations from you might cause you a great deal of upset.
Please know that you do have the right to accomplish your goals and choose your own timing when to get married. If you feel this is too soon, for whatever reason, you have the right to say no, or you can say yes, but not before a date that you feel comfortable with.
How does this sound to you?
TeeParticipantDear canary,
you’re welcome, and I am glad it feels freeing to you to still love him but not having expectations of him changing. This helps you be free from emotional attachment to him, from the hope and excitement that you feel if he shows signs of improvement, followed by disappointment and anger if he hurts you again. Basically, it frees you from the emotional roller-coaster, where you make your happiness and well-being dependent on his actions. I am sure you know all this, but I am still saying it out loud to make a stronger point š
As for his disorder, there are people who love and care only about their immediate family, and would do anything for them – even lie, cheat and steal if necessary (i.e. behave in an antisocial manner). It seems your ex might belong to this category of people… When you were his friend and then girlfriend, he might have put you in the “loved ones” group and would behave kindly to you, or at least would try. Although you say that even then he lacked empathy, but perhaps he was willing to work on it and become “a better person” for your sake. Even after you broke up, up until April 2021, it seems he had remorse for leading you on and hurting your feelings. He even said he was a “shitty person”. He seems to have regretted that he’d hurt you.
I guess this is the personality that you liked – that he at least saw how some of his actions were hurtful and perhaps showed a willingness to change. But this April, it seems he stopped caring – you say he stopped caring how his actions affect you. I guess this is how he behaves with everybody outside of his “loved ones” group: he doesn’t care about them, doesn’t care if he hurts them or exploits them. This is probably the personality you detest and don’t want to have anything to do with.
It seems to me you saw a potential in him when he was open to change, when he would admit his mistakes and show some remorse. That was attractive to you and got you hooked, got you hopes up. Based on what you’ve written, he never was truly caring and supportive of you, but at least he was “trying”, or he saw that he “should be” more empathic, and this was what kept you hoping. You did say in your last post that you had “a great bond and connection”. But I wonder if that bond was rather around working on his “improvement” and his need to change, and not really a bond in terms of feeling respected and supported by him?
TeeParticipantDear Rob,
you’re welcome.
I think maybe someplace deep down, I KNOW me fixing myself and changing for the better WILL change everything around me.
Yes, and it’s scary to change the status quo and have our loved ones get angry at us, perhaps even reject us and abandon us… This I guess is what’s holding you back? You’re aware that certain things in your relationship with your spouse are toxic, but you also love him and want to please him. And as you say, drinking is a way of bonding with him, so it’s hard to let that go.
It seems to me that if you want to stop drinking, you’d also need to work on your co-dependency with him, and decide that you don’t want to sacrifice yourself in order to keep his love. You’d need to put yourself first, not in a selfish way, but in the sense that you don’t want to jeopardize your health and well-being for him, or for anybody else in your family, even if you love them very much. I wonder how you feel about that?
Fingers crossed for your first AA meeting!
TeeParticipantDear Rob,
I have spoke with a therapist and they believe if I have to admit I have a problem then maybe they need to look at themselves as having a problem. Which a family and friends + spouse have drug and drinking problems. Far more then I but Iām pointing fingers.
I think your therapist is right – your family discourages you from seeking professional help because it would disturb them and force them to take a look at their own addiction, which they don’t want to, at least not at the moment. And your reluctance to seek help could be in part caused by your desire to fit in, to not “rock the boat”, maybe even not to appear “better” or superior than your family.
I agree with anita – definitely do seek help, because it’s not going to get better, the drinking problem won’t just miraculously go away. You can’t pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, specially surrounded by people who make it harder for you to stop drinking…
TeeParticipantDear Moonflower,
you’re welcome. I am fine, thank you, just returned from holidays š
It’s good to hear your partner is supportive, thinks highly of you and isn’t affected by other people’s opinions too much, even the opinion of his own family. That’s refreshing and a good base for a healthy relationship!
I am trying to be more independent from others opinions and not let it affect me as much as I do. For it not to rule how I am around people but the hard truth is, is that it still does. I really hate it when people say things that Iām sensitive about or make.judgemental remarks as I try to avoid confrontation at all costs if I canā¦
Unlike your partner, you do care about what other people will say, i.e. are sensitive to their criticism and judgment. You also say you’re critical of yourself, specially your looks after the surgery.
This probably means you have a rather strong inner critic, which is accusing you of not being good enough, pretty enough etc. After the surgery, you say you felt “less of a person, like something was missing”. I think it was the same inner critic who was telling you that after the surgery, there’s something deeply wrong with you, so much so that you felt less of a person.
Would you say this is true? If so, I believe it’s your inner critic that is really stopping you from living your life authentically, carefree and at peace with yourself…
TeeParticipantDear canary,
you’re welcome. I think I know where you’re coming from: you sincerely care for him and would like him to be his best self, not necessarily for you, but for himself – to have as happy and fulfilling life as possible. It’s normal and understandable to feel like that towards the people we love and care about.
The problem is when we see a potential in our partner and want to change them, because how they are at the moment isn’t acceptable to us. I’ve been with people in whom I saw a potential and wanted to “save” them, and it didn’t end well. It never does. As you yourself say, we can’t force anybody to change, and it’s really futile and even counterproductive to be in a relationship with someone whom we cannot accept the way they are at the moment. It’s much more fair to never enter such a relationship, or to step away, as you did.
The problem for you is to how to let go of hope, since hope you say is holding you back. I think you should let go of the attachment to him changing. Because it seems a part of you is still attached to the idea that he would change and then you’d be happy together. You can still hold a vision of him being his best self (you can even pray for that, if you’re religious), but you let go of the attachment that he would change and fulfill you. That way you free yourself to live your life independent of him and his decisions, and yet you can still feel love and care for him, by holding a positive vision for him, but without any expectations.
How do you feel about this?
TeeParticipantDear canary,
I now know that I was asking for the bare minimum in the relationship, but it was so difficult for him to give it to me. He has trouble with empathy and he wasnāt able to empathize with me because he was too worried about himself.
It’s good you’ve realized it wasn’t you who was too demanding, but it was him who was self-centered and giving you very little.
I simply want the best version of him in my life again which is why I have hope.
Have you seen this best version of him? If I understood you well, he lacked empathy and was self-centered throughout your relationship. But you also say he was selfless and kind at some point, and tried to empathize with you “even if he had lots of trouble with it.”
You say you knew about his symptoms (I assume his lack of empathy?) even before you dated. Based on everything you’ve written, does it mean that there was a period when he was trying to change and be a better person for you, a person with more understanding and more empathy? But he never really succeeded, and now he’s given up and is just selfish, “extremely arrogant, only cares for himself” and “does not care to be a better person” any more? He returned to his old self?
You say you saw a potential in him, and this is what’s giving you hope. But since he’s given up on bettering himself, you know this hope is unreal and you want to let it go? Am I understanding it right?
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TeeParticipantDear Felix,
it seems she strengthened the decision not to date you, and it’s not only because of her parents’ pressure/advice, but also because she feels that’s for the best. She wants to enter a relationship when she is ready and has serious intentions (she said when she finds a job, and when she is thinking about getting married), and right now that’s not the case.
It seems that right now she wants to focus on her studies and not be distracted by a relationship, and it’s a legitimate decision. That’s what she’s already told you before, but when you posted that “goodbye” post, probably her ego got a bit hurt and she started the cycle again, messing up with you, giving you hope. She shouldn’t have done that. But she’s young and no wonder she has doubts and insecurity. Try to forgive her for giving you false hope…
But also, take this as her final decision and start detaching yourself from her, accepting that she’s at the same point where you were 4 or 5 years ago, just entering university, with a million opportunities before her and at least a dozen possible life scenarios. What will be 4 or 5 years from now? No one knows. So there is no point in holding onto something that’s not there, that’s unknown, that will only take shape in the future… Leave the future to the future, and if you want, to God and fate. But don’t hold on to it, don’t hold on to something that doesn’t have a shape yet.
Focus on the here and now, on what you want to do with your life right now. Things we’ve talked about before, such as improving your self-esteem, developing a sense of accomplishment, hitting the gym, jogging etc. My advice is to work on yourself first and don’t even think of chasing girls for the next 6 months. Become a more self-confident person, and I guarantee you, you’ll be more successful in dating and finding a suitable girl too.
TeeParticipantDear canary,
are you talking about the same man your other thread was about, with whom you were in a relationship from August 2019-April 2020?
In your previous thread, you were mostly blaming yourself for the failure of the relationship (“I was suffering from severe depression & anxiety and it made me difficult to deal with which caused me to think that he did not truly love me”). But in the meanwhile it seems you’ve realized that he had issues too and that his behavior was hurtful (I understand why he did all the hurtful things to me).
You say he is suffering from antisocial personality disorder – was he diagnosed by a medical doctor?
You say a part of you is “still holding onto the hope that heāll be the happy person he once was”, “a person that was genuinely trying to be a better person and make his life better.”
I imagine that when you’re daydreaming and creating fake scenarios of you being together (you mentioned this in your previous thread), you’re focusing only on the good times and forgetting about the bad times when his behavior was hurtful. That’s quite common – we often see the person through rose-colored glasses because we fall in love with our idea of them, a romanticized version of them, instead of the real person. We want them so much that we overlook the bad sides. And the reason we want them so much is often because they remind us of one of our parents, whose love we’ve always craved but never really received.
That could be why you feel so very attached to him, feeling that you love him unconditionally, no matter what he does to you and how he behaves.
Can you relate to any of this?
TeeParticipantDear Moonflower,
I honestly believe that as long as what my thoughts, spiritual journey and interests are all aligned with the highest good, love, light, growth and purest intentions, focused on kindness and compassion with a deep respecg for all that is, this earth and inhabitants, surely no God or universe would consider that a sin/bad/need for punishment?
I too deeply believe that God is love, and that you’re not misguided in your spiritual quest for highest love. Also, I believe that you aren’t bad or sinful, or should fear punishment, for having a broader view of spirituality than your own religion does.
This got me reflecting on my own self and my spiritual journey. I have many fsmily/in laws/friends that are Christian and I know when I have expressed that Iām spiritual thereās been a dismay with them. Itās made me afraid to live authentically.
is me being into crystals, interested in other religions, oracle decks, meditation etc all a sin and Iām misguided? Iāve been reflecting on this and know that this is me now reflecting based on my own fear and fear of judgement from others.
It seems to me that you’re afraid of being judged by your family, your in-laws and friends, and that this is what keeps you from being yourself and living authentically. How about your partner – do you feel supported by him in your spiritual quest and free to express your beliefs in front of him?
July 18, 2021 at 7:47 am in reply to: I need help on this quote. I canāt get my head around it #383032TeeParticipantDear Saje,
The thing is I know I need to get out there to find what Iām looking for; however, the more I do the more apparent the lack of becomes.
Could you elaborate on this? Have you tried dating but haven’t found anyone suitable?
also, my friend said i have been looking from a lack mentality and not abundance. Which is why I feel the way I do. Any thoughts on this?
The mentality of lack would be that you feel less (less valuable, less worthy, less special) without a partner, and that you need someone to make you feel good about yourself. Perhaps Lao Tzu’s quote (“Be content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realise there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you.”) can be interpreted like this:
When you realize there is nothing lacking about you – the whole world belongs to you. And the right person will appear too… How does this sound to you?
TeeParticipantDear Sammii,
you say about your boyfriend:
I really love him as a person, heās been in my life so long
but you also say:
a lack of respect for me, had a wondering eye, never physically cheated as far as Iām aware! But was never there for me, never wanted to talk to me he was always on his phone or PlayStation or Xbox.
I did talk to him about this, he tried to change but it still wasnāt enough, he just tried to buy me instead of actually listening and being there for me.
I wanted to marry him for so long but he didnāt at the time apparently wanted to make it special (10 years though)
A lack of respect for you and the fact that he was never (or rarely) there for you would be a good enough reason to break up and not to marry this guy. You say you were hinting all the time that you want to get married, but he didn’t seem to pick up the message. It appears to me that you were afraid to express your needs and were tolerating a rather unacceptable behavior. Could it be because you don’t value yourself enough?
TeeParticipantDear Emy,
you feel connected to this man, specially to “his teenage years and the relationship he had with someone when he was a teen”. Could you explain a bit more? Does his adolescence remind you of your own adolescence and a relationship you had with someone while you were a teen?
TeeParticipantDear kleineBlumealleine,
you’re very welcome. The fact that he forced you sit down and stay in his company is just one more sign, and a strong one, that you should stop friendship with him and free yourself from his emotional abuse.
Have a nice Sunday yourself and post whenever you feel like it. All the best to you!
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