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July 29, 2021 at 10:49 am in reply to: My ex and I still love each other, but can’t be together #383652TeeParticipant
Dear Candice88,
it’s good that you’re aware of the dynamic (that he sees you as his nagging mother who doesn’t love him and doesn’t care about him. And whom he resents a lot because of that). Have you talked with him about the need to work on his anger, specially related to his mother? It’s fine to express anger in a safe, therapeutic setting – that’s how he could be free from projecting it on to you.
Oh absolutely. I told him that those words are empty without actions, and I’m not going to risk forming a family with him based off of what I’ve seen.
Good that you’re determined to protect yourself. I do hope you stay determined once you get home… How do you feel about moving out now?
July 29, 2021 at 8:58 am in reply to: My ex and I still love each other, but can’t be together #383648TeeParticipantDear Candice88,
it occurred to me that M has a lot of resentment, stemming from his childhood (resentment for neither of his parents being there for him), and he is carrying this resentment into the relationship with you. It seems he resents you for working from home, and his resentment also shows in his unwillingness to help you with chores. He might be subconsciously thinking that his parents didn’t show up for him, then why would he show up for them (and you might remind him of his mother a little?). It seems to me he’d need to first deal with his anger at his parents, before he can have a semblance of a normal, healthy relationship.
Even if he is really working more now (“he grinds at work so that you can have a better life”), he’s still doing it with anger and resentment. And he probably believes that no one cares about his feelings – because no one really did in his childhood. And that’s why, no matter how caring you are, he sees you as demanding and nagging – because he’s projecting stuff on you, stuff that isn’t really there.
I don’t know if this sounds truthful to you and if it would make sense to talk with him about it. But what’s sure is that his promise to “change when you get pregnant” is an empty promise, and there’s no point in staying…
TeeParticipantDear AP,
at the end I was in a terrible place with my mental health and I pushed and pushed until she finally walked away.
How did you push her? If she feels angry at you, perhaps she secretly, or even unconsciously, expects you to apologize for your behavior? Do you feel there is something you’d need to apologize for?
TeeParticipantP.S. What shadow work have you done? Have you worked on expressing your anger (in a safe setting) towards those who have hurt you or betrayed you?
TeeParticipantDear Lisa,
ow. thank you hearing a completely non bias person tell me that this isnt all my fault feels so good.
you’re welcome. And it’s really not your fault.
ur second question.. ive been sexually assaulted by my step dad.. and my mom who is no longer didnt belive me… my dad has always made me feel like my opinion and thoughts arent valid. and through that ive never really felt like anyone could truly understand me..m i guess i feel guilty for some things but its mostly fear of abandoment.
You have been abandoned a lot in your childhood, Lisa, even by your mother somewhat when she didn’t believe you, and then finally, when she passed away. She was your only support and then you lost her. You couldn’t trust anybody else, you were all alone by the age of 11.
It’s no wonder you started going out with boys pretty early, and you ended up in an abusive relationship with your previous ex, who just hurt you even more. He might have been the first person who started blaming you openly for things that weren’t your fault:
he would scream at me, and make me apologize for things he did. He would cut himself when he and his mom fought, he would blame me for everything wrong in his life
He dumped you, but then after the break-up he would still use you for sex whenever he felt like. You allowed it because you couldn’t bear to be abandoned once again. You probably even believed it was your fault, because the sense of guilt was already imprinted in you from childhood (the child believes that if bad things happen to her and her parents or caretakers are mean to her, it must be her fault).
to answer your first question. ive done lots of shadow work. ive healed all my bonds with family members. ive learned to allow and welcome positive things into my life and to change my negitive thoughts into positive ones….
You did it yourself, without a help of a professional? Have you worked on your fear of abandonment? Because that’s what pushes you into a relationship, and then makes you stay in it even if it’s abusive and you’re not getting your needs met.
July 29, 2021 at 12:57 am in reply to: My ex and I still love each other, but can’t be together #383624TeeParticipantDear Candice88,
your relationship with M is indeed deeply troubled and it seems to me you’re getting not even breadcrumbs from him. He gives you absolutely nothing, and then accuses you of being too demanding and not patient enough.
he finally quit using (if I’m to believe him) in April 2021. His attitude and behaviour haven’t gotten much better. I’m still going to bed and waking up alone 6/7 nights a week, I make dinner for when he says he will be home and I eat alone, then go to bed alone,
Do you even see him during the week? This regime of his gives him plenty of opportunity to still be using, without you knowing about it.
I don’t see any real willingness to change on his part. Even his claim that he quit is highly questionable, and he also wanted to cheat on you, because “you’re not saying anything nice to him any more”. It shows he doesn’t see his behavior as a problem but sees you as a problem. You should tolerate his addiction and neglect for years on end, and still remain hopeful that some day he might decide to change?
You’re doing a good thing you’re moving out. Even if he asks you to stay (because it’s convenient to have you in a mother/care-taker role), don’t stay by any means. The way things are now, he’s only using you, and not giving you absolutely anything but just causing you pain and more trauma. By moving out, you’re protecting yourself, your mental health and your well-being.
bracing myself for if we don’t work, despite how much I love him
Perhaps in part you love the memory of those few early months which were fun, and also the idea that he at least in theory shares the same values (regarding kids, family, life philosophy etc). But it’s only in theory – in practice he’s completely incapable for having a family because he would be a neglectful and unreliable father and partner.
- This reply was modified 3 years, 4 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Lisa,
I love him but should I have to stay paying for that mistake I made or just let things be what they are and go our separate ways
no, you don’t have to be paying back the karma and enduring his mistreatment for the fact that once, in an extremely difficult period for you, you told him you didn’t love him. You told him numerous times since that you do love him, and not only that, but you’ve also worked on yourself:
i wanted him back and i told him i was going to change. and i did. i developed my self love and self worth. but then he almost started treating me the way i treated him.
What did you do to develop more self-love and self-worth?
If you really have changed, and weren’t pushing him away any more, like you were in the beginning of your relationship – then there’s no reason he’d treat you like that. It seems he started pushing you away when you sincerely wanted to get closer. He is still blaming you for something you said once, when you were in a really rough spot. He seems unable to forgive you. This would suggest he has issues of his own, perhaps dealing with a sense of betrayal that he experienced in his own family.
Anyway, what’s happening is that his blaming you falls on fertile ground, because you have a strong sense of guilt, and so you easily go into self-doubt, like I shouldn’t complain and shouldn’t even be saying anything when I am actually the one to blame for all this etc etc. Your self-love and self-worth evaporate in those moments…
Usually such a strong guilt is related to our childhood, e.g. we may be feeling guilty for disappointing our parents or something like that. Can you remember when you felt guilty for the first time, what were you blaming yourself as a child?
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TeeParticipantDear AP,
her behavior is confusing, therefore it’s no wonder you’re confused. She wanted no contact but would sometimes send you messages, and when you would reply, she would close the door on any further communication. When you contacted her asking for legal help, she was very warm and welcoming, even suggested a phone call, but in that phone call, she was cold again. Then she suggested a video call with both your and her kids – she seems to like your kids, she sent them birthday presents, and is open to a possibility to meet with your children face to face once you move closer to where she lives – but she didn’t offer any help with moving.
It’s unclear to me why she was keeping in touch. Perhaps to check if you’re fine, since when she left you, you were “in a terrible place with your mental health”. Perhaps she was worried about you, but nothing more than that? That’s the only reason I see why she may behave like she does. Plus, she seems like she likes your children, and the feeling is mutual, so she might not necessarily want to “slam the door” on that relationship, specially when she saw how much your children still like her?
TeeParticipantDear Lisa,
I’ve taken a look at your previous thread, haven’t read it all, but I did get an approximate idea of some of the key moments in your life so far, including your childhood. I see you’re blaming yourself a lot, while at the same time trying to love yourself (“i told him i was going to change. and i did. i developed my self love and self worth.”). But it seems that on a deeper level, there’s still a lot of self-condemnation.
I love him but should I have to stay paying for that mistake I made
What is the mistake you’ve made, that you believe you should pay for, i.e. that you might deserve poor treatment for?
- This reply was modified 3 years, 4 months ago by Tee.
July 28, 2021 at 11:26 am in reply to: My ex and I still love each other, but can’t be together #383585TeeParticipantDear Candice88,
you’re very welcome, I am glad you find it helpful.
About M, you said:
I’m trying to do things for myself that are also preparing me for the mess with M that I am returning home to in a few days.
What is the mess with M you’re expecting when you return home? Is it related to you moving out? What reaction are you expecting from him?
TeeParticipantDear Lisa,
would you please start a topic of your own, so that we leave this space for Felix?
See you there!
TeeParticipantDear Annie,
your sister does seem very spoiled, and your parents enable it. They have zero expectations from her, they let her do whatever she wants and accommodate to her whims, whereas they have all those expectations from you. There are unfortunately parents who treat their children differently, and yours seem to be like that.
I don’t know what the reason is: it could be because your sister is much younger, or perhaps her health was fragile when she was a child and that’s why they were worried about her and spared her from duties (?), and/or because of her character where she’s rather selfish and self-centered, and doesn’t care if she causes trouble to her parents. Whatever the cause is, they do seem to treat the two of you differently.
I know I keep pushing back on resuming the course, but I just feel like I have no time or energy to do it lately. I feel so mentally tired a lot lately just from work that I literally just feel like doing nothing.
It tends to be a vicious circle because sometimes we can’t say No to other people’s requirements to even start caring about ourselves. And so our exhaustion and burnout deepens… How is it at your workplace? Do you feel overburdened there too?
I know I will move out eventually in the future.
Yes, that would be really important. Do you have a vision of when this might become possible and under what circumstances?
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TeeParticipantDear Richard,
you say you’re in a negative thinking mode more often than not, and that it’s hard for you to be optimistic.
One reason could be that in your childhood, you experienced a sense a failure and hopelessness in the relationship with either of your parents, e.g. if you tried to make your mother happy but you never succeeded. This is just an example, doesn’t mean it refers to you. But a sense of hopelessness about changing the parent, or changing the relationship with the parent, is often in the background of feeling hopeless and depressed as adults.
July 27, 2021 at 12:26 pm in reply to: Stuck in limbo, fear or loneliness, fear of hurting her #383534TeeParticipantDear Dave,
good to hear from you! I am glad things are moving along fine with your separation and moving into a place of your own.
I find myself a little anxious sometimes, but I am patient with myself, as I’m sure it’s normal with all these changes going on at the same time.
Yes, it’s normal to feel this way. This is a big change for you, and there’s a part of us that doesn’t like changes, even if remaining in the status quo is painful, like it was for you. Stepping into something new for many people brings anxiety (at least for me, big time 🙂 ), so this is just something to endure for a while, until the move actually happens.
It’s good you’re finding ways to soothe and calm yourself, despite the disquiet that you’re currently feeling. Keep it up for a few more days, and then see how things are once your ex actually moves out. Post here anytime you need…. I am rooting for you!
July 27, 2021 at 10:50 am in reply to: My ex and I still love each other, but can’t be together #383520TeeParticipantDear Candice88,
you’re very welcome. I am glad you’re not crying that much. It’s only natural you miss S, now that he’s shown understanding for you, admitted his mistakes, and even told you he loves you. But it appears he doesn’t want to leave his girlfriend and be with you, and it could be because he is feeling that they’ve formed a bond that he isn’t willing to break. He might have feelings for you, but he seems to be committed to his girlfriend, and that’s what matters. I know you’re respecting his choice, although it’s also hard for you.
If you start crying, know that it’s also your inner child crying for losing a “perfect parent”, so try to be aware of that dynamic too. You can soothe your inner child, if you feel you have the capacity to do that. If not, just be aware of her and her pain, and tell her it will be better and that you’re working on it.
If you need support while dealing with M, you’re welcome to share about it. I’ll try to help if I can.
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