Dear Tineoidea,

I do have my flaws but I don’t see how anything could possibly validate such cruel and harmful behavior towards me.

Her own emotional wounds led her to behave like that. Maybe it’s true for him as well. This doesn’t justify their behavior but you can see them as “troubled” and sort of forgive them, but at the same time protect yourself. Cut contact. Set boundaries. Don’t let yourself be abused. Not even for lofty things like loyalty. You don’t need to hate them, and yet, you can choose not to be in a relationship with either of them, because they don’t seem to be capable of a healthy relationship.

I’ll need to ponder on this for sure.

It’s most probably related to your childhood. Was there anyone in your childhood who reminds you of either of them? You don’t need to answer this, but this is where I’d be looking for answers…

Dear Tineoidea,

she was pretty unfair when it comes to her expectations while knowing my hardships (and not doing much if anything about those even though she could have easily) and consuming most of my free time.

Things such as expecting me to both work on multiple things at once while giving her my full attention and most of my day as she was well aware that I was barely getting a few hours of sleep a day for months and months.

So she was quite similar to your “friend” – monopolizing your time, demanding your constant attention and “being dissatisfied no matter how hard you tried or how much you gave”. Exactly like him. I think that’s something worth noting, because I don’t think it’s by chance that you get involved with such people.

With neither of them you noticed you were abused: you said his behavior was “troublesome” but you yourself didn’t feel abused. With her too, in the beginning you said that she suddenly flipped from being very much in love to hating you, when in reality, the signs of trouble were noticeable already before – only you didn’t want to see them because you were “madly in love”. If you really want to heal from this experience, you’d need to look what is it in you that makes you susceptible (and loyal) to such people.

Perhaps she just saw a new victim to use in the nearby future. But also, she does indeed want to be liked by people and gets upset when they don’t accept and validate her. I’ve seen that a lot. She would also often get into the conflicts of others and try to “help”, then get depressed because those people refused her. When it comes to “friend”, she was constantly saying things like “I’m the person who has shown him more good will and care that anybody ever but he keeps hurting me”.
I was her only close friend by the way.

I don’t think she is a predator who was looking for a new victim in him. Rather, she is very insecure, having very little self-love and self-esteem, and also very conflicted. You confirmed that she wants to be validated by people. She wants be seen as “the person who shows more good will and care than anybody else”. In a desperate attempt to be liked by others, she even meddles into their affairs, trying to “help”, and then gets disappointed when they don’t appreciate her meddling.

When all of this went down and I finally voiced that I felt a lack of support and care from her in multiple places, she retalliated with “I can’t do everything for you” and blamed it all on me. Even though she didn’t really do anything to improve my situation.

Another similar trait to your “friend” is that she lacks self-awareness and self-criticism. It’s always other people’s fault, never hers. She saw herself as your victim, as the abused one – exactly like your “friend” saw himself. In their mind, you were the boogeyman, him and her were the victims.

She could be actually suffering from BDP because I know a person with similar traits, which I believe are BDP, although undiagnosed because she’d never agree to go to therapy. But the extremes of behavior, meddling in other people’s affairs, having a distorted sense of reality, alienating friends, always playing the victim… it’s all there. A very difficult person to live with, and she has been actually living alone for more than 30 years now.

Anyway, if I were you, I wouldn’t hope for a reconciliation with your ex. Instead I’d work on myself to prevent to be sucked into a similar relationship in the future…

Dear Tineoidea,

She kept pushing it though, and ultimately I decided to do a leap of faith and accept her in my life fully as it all seemed so genuine. She got heavily involved in my and my family’s life, making plans and promises of a life together and of helping my family.

I see. So she made promises to you (I assume to help solve your convoluted legal and economic situation?), but then backed off when she got together with your former friend. But it seems she started betraying you, i.e. going back on her word, already earlier, when she saw your hardships and didn’t do anything to help you, even if she could. So signs of betrayal or a certain withdrawal were there already before she met your “friend”,  they just escalated with him. Would you say that’s true?

And also, you said she was making unreasonable demands on you, but you were too much in love to notice it. Could you give one example of such an unreasonable demand?

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Dear Tineoidea,

Hmm, you do have a point there. Maybe I am slowly opening my eyes.

Good, because in that same article (on verywellmind . com), it says that one form of emotional abuse is having unrealistic expectations. Some examples are: “making unreasonable demands of you, expecting you to put everything aside and meet their needs, demanding you spend all of your time together, being dissatisfied no matter how hard you try or how much you give”. You were subject to all of the above… Plus, of course the threats to kill himself, which as I read now, goes under emotional  blackmail – which is another form of emotional abuse.

What’s curious is that both of them started to blame me for “abusing” him, when he actually was the one who abused both her and me.

Well, he presented himself as the victim, not just to your ex, but to you as well, when you were still friends. When you tried to cut back on contact, he would complain that he was trying to be the best friend, and this is how you thank him. In other situations too he had no self-criticism, it was always someone else’s fault. It’s no wonder that he told his own version of the “truth” to your ex. He was of course the victim and the innocent one, and you were the bully.

I do agree that there were times I’ve been cold, stern or avoidant with him and perhaps I could have handled it better, but I do have to say that he pushed my patience to its limits there, and I’m generally very patient.

You were trying to protect yourself, because he just wouldn’t back off. Asking him nicely didn’t work…  so no wonder you’d occasionally lose your temper. And then he probably used those moments as a “proof” that you’re selfish, impatient, cold, cruel, etc…

Dear Mr. Ritz,

good to hear that your wife has found another, more gratifying job, and that you are now better off financially!

My wife has been having mental issues. Lack of concentration, forgetfulness, brain fog etc…

Do these issues affect her ability to work? It’s good she’ll be seeing a doctor about it…

I’m pretty sure my attacks were due to concern for family and friends.
What I find strange is I didn’t have the feeling of fear, dread or other feelings you’d normally have when I heard the news.

It could be something below your conscious awareness, but still getting triggered. I don’t know how else to calm yourself down (beside various relaxation techniques, which you’ve been already doing), except by looking deeper into the problem and see what it is, i.e. what you are afraid of.

Dear Tineoidea,

I’ve been dealing with so much emotional and physical pain, gaslighting and nightmares during these past two months that it indeed took a toll. One starts to doubt even their own existence and perception of things.

Right. You were a victim in this, you were abused, but when anita suggested the alternative explanation, you kind of backed off and said:

The only one who actually was abused during this conflict, was W, by M, as I’ve had to wipe her tears and comfort her over it many times.

It wasn’t just W who was abused. You too were abused, both by him and then by her. And it seems to me that you have been abused by your “friend” for years. For starters, perhaps you should acknowledge it to yourself  – that you were abused by him?

Dear canary,

you are welcome, and I am glad you gained clarity by writing down your thoughts and feelings and understanding yourself better.

I believe that one of the key moments that stopped you from expressing yourself fully was when you sometimes went overboard with your jokes and hurt people. You didn’t mean to hurt them, you probably felt good and appreciated as a joke-maker, maybe you thought that this is why people like being around you. And so you “stepped it up” a notch,  you made your jokes even “juicier”. And then they became a little insensitive and some people ended up being hurt. It made you feel really bad and guilty, and you shut down as a result:

Then in grade 7/8, I started “breaking out of my shell”. I remember making the new girl in my class my friend, and I was able to be myself around her. I gained so much more confidence with my new friend, and eventually, my friend group got really big and I was friends with people that accepted me and appreciated my goofy side that liked making jokes. So I wasn’t anxious at all with my friends, if I remember correctly, I would only feel anxious when I was by myself in class or in front of strangers.

But then I realized that sometimes my jokes would go overboard, and I would make insensitive jokes that I didn’t mean and hurt people’s feelings. This made me feel soooooo bad. I never wanted to hurt people’s feelings but my jokes hurt them. I hated that so much that I slowly became cautious of what I was saying, and then eventually developed so much anxiety thinking about what I’m saying and if I should say it if it’s funny or not, etc. I just stopped making jokes and I feel that part of my personality died.

So it’s like you opened up, felt loved and appreciated, and then bam – you suddenly experienced rejection. And this hurt you tremendously and caused you to shut down.

I think it would help if you could forgive yourself for unintentionally making those insensitive jokes and hurting people. You don’t need to punish yourself and keep this funny part of yourself hidden forever. Because it’s an important part of who you are, and there is nothing wrong with it.

You’d just need to know the difference between a harmless and a hurtful joke. Can you tell a difference now? Do you understand why those jokes were insensitive? If you do, you can set the intention to never hurt people again with your jokes, and to not go overboard. But you can still share that part of your personality – a funny, goofy part, who cheers people up and makes them laugh and have fun.

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