fbpx
Menu

Tee

Forum Replies Created

Viewing 15 posts - 61 through 75 (of 1,930 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • in reply to: Feels like Time is passing too fast #432577
    Tee
    Participant

    Hey SereneWolf,

    my weekends (this one too) are usually peaceful, taking a light walk, sitting on the terrace of my favorite cafe, drinking my latte. Quite enjoyable, even if simple 🙂

    Usually for spines there are Remedies that could include Ashwagandha, Shallaki and Guggulu then there’s also Panchkarma and various Yoga Asanas as per your condition.

    Oh I’ve heard of Ashwagandha, as a remedy for anxiety. I can imagine it can actually help, if it calms down the nervous system. As for yoga, it is not recommended, since it involves a lot of bending, which is counter indicated. So no yoga for me, unfortunately…

    I think yeah and I know I had these moments in my childhood but I simply can’t recall those memories now but just the low feeling stuff.

    Do you remember any of such instances? Because I don’t, and I don’t think I had many either, since my mother was not really a fan of caressing and physical touch. And I spent almost a year as an infant at my granny’s, who was even colder than my mother… so I can imagine I didn’t get much cuddling, and in general that sense that they (my parents) are happy to have me in their life. Perhaps a little bit from my father, but I don’t really remember.

    I don’t feel at ease with her. I just get excited like a baby.

    What are you excited about? I mean, what are you getting in the interaction with her?

    And yeah lot of her behaviour, I simply can’t accept it for longer term. I think it’s just puppy love or infatuation.

    If it’s infatuation, it does mean she is meeting some need of yours, or you are hoping she could meet it… an unmet need.

    Something just occurred to me: you said she is dramatic, always on the verge of anger. Whereas you keep your anger suppressed. So perhaps that’s what you like about her? Her freedom to express anger? So perhaps this is what she has, which you would like to have too, and it is attractive?

    I don’t know if I’m trying to feel some void just like some distraction. So I try to reply her late and then she also does the same.

    Okay, you are pretending you don’t care so much, so you’re delaying your reply. But as you said, the more you try to suppress your yearning, the more it is growing.

    Heck since yesterday I don’t like to talk to one of my friends who’s got into new relationship. Because she always be talking about how good and nice he is. I know as a friend I should be supportive but yeah I’m just not in the right mindset.

    I get that – you are confused about what you’re feeling for this girl, you’re internally conflicted. And so you can’t really be happy for your friend, because you are fighting your own inner battle. Is that what’s going on?

    Hmm I don’t mean by dating more like adding better and meaning activities instead of mundane same routine everyday things. Nowadays I don’t feel the pressure of settling down. and dating is something new so.. I don’t know I still want to date just for fun not like creating deep and meaningful relationship but maybe that’s what alright for now?

    Oh I see, you mean dating brings something new and exciting. Well yes, it does, but it also brings up your fear of relationships, which is happening now again, with this girl… And that’s what makes you question whether you actually want a more serious relationship or just something superficial, to have fun. I think it is your fear speaking: the fear of intimacy is telling you to only seek superficial relationships. Because you do want a relationship, but you’re afraid of being hurt…

    And I also watched video you suggested and so it was really relatable and insightful so thanks a lot. I felt like crying after watching that.

    I am glad you liked it! You probably saw yourself in that example, and that’s what brought tears to your eyes…

    feeling I’m not good enough and being hard on myself because critical father and he me feel little and I thought he was right

    So I was emphasizing I must be not worthy

    Yes, you adopted your father’s belief that you are not good enough. Christine Hassler often uses the phrase “you bought into the belief…” Yes, we as children believe our parents’ view of us. Their critical voice becomes the voice of our inner critic. The external critic becomes internalized. And so the voice of our critical parent(s) keeps living in our head.

    She also asked this really good question tell me about a time when you felt powerful. I need to think about this.

    Yes, it’s a good question. Have you thought about it?

    Guided Visualization also seems like a very good practice to try but I think feeling the truth is the hard part. Because it’s been so many years.

    You mean you don’t feel ready to do the exercise with the inner child, which she did with her client? Or you don’t remember a particular situation, which you would want to go back to and “rewrite”?

     

    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Paradoxy,

    I would like to address the examples of immoral women and rampant promiscuity that you’ve mentioned so far:

    There is a girl here who is dating three men at the same time, and none of them know each other. Each man treats her well but as soon as one man leaves for work or something, she has the next man come over. And another thing is that she ensures that she does no service other than sex for the main bf. So far as to make sure that she cooked something for herself and ate it right before her bf came over. She has her man literally starving whenever he comes over or he brings food for her himself.

    There was another girl, who was dating a rich chinese dude. Whenever he invited her to dinner or something, she would bring her real man claiming that he was just a friend or she would have him buy gifts for her, which she either kept for herself or gave to her real man. Eventually the chinese guy figured it out and he left but still, the audacity of the girl to cheat RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM is crazy.

    The men here are no better either but I noticed that it is actually a cycle. Either a man or woman gets cheated on, and then they proceed to become a cheater in their next relationship and then whoever they cheated on becomes the next cheater and the cycle continues.

    The amount of bad people is so overwhelmingly large, I cannot simply ignore the possibility of coming across them. I have come across too many women who wear revealing outfits to attract men’s attention and sleep with a bunch of them without the slightest respect for their own body, women with body counts in the double digits and I have come across too many women who thinks men should pay for everything and therefore take advantage of the men to pay their bills and etc.

    I have also come across too many men who prefers to “enjoy their youth” sleeping around with multiple women EVEN WHEN their ideal woman is right in front of them. I have come across too many men who prefers “friends with benefits” instead of having a real relationship. There was even a guy who slept with SEVENTEEN women within his very first week in college just cause the women wanted to sleep with him.

    What you have described is a very promiscuous culture, and so I looked up prostitution in the Caribbeans. And to my dismay, I have learned that the Caribbeans are amongst the top destinations for sex tourism, and that a lot of older men go there to have fun with young girls (and young boys), who are often only in their teenage years.

    It seems that poverty there is widespread, and so prostitution became normalized, as a way to earn money. Which is how B’s aunt views prostitution – as a source of income – and perhaps even B was socialized into that mindset.

    I’ve also learned about sex traffickers (some of them of Asian origin), who are organizing illegal immigration from Venezuela to Trinidad and Tobago. They promise young girls from Venezuela a job in a bar or a hair salon. But once they reach Trinidad and Tobago, their passports are taken and they are kept against their will, and used for prostitution. It is all enabled by corrupt police officers, so there is no way for it to be sanctioned.

    After learning all that, I understood that prostitution is widespread in the Caribbeans, and it is a way for poor women to earn income. And that’s why you probably saw examples of women sleeping with multiple men, or having one “main” boyfriend, and other men on the side. Probably those other men are paying for sex. I know that in Thailand for example, married women are prostituting themselves (typically with tourists), and their husbands know about it and tolerate it, because that’s the source of income.

    So it’s not that the women in the Caribbeans are promiscuous for fun. They are promiscuous because that’s the culture they are socialized into. Same as B was socialized into it, having her aunt as her role model and her “pimp”.

    The aunt upholds the belief that men should be used to get rich and ensure a good life. And even this selfish attitude (the attitude of a gold digger) could be the logical reaction to the sad truth that women are used by men for sex. So a “smart” woman (in her view) would then turn this into her own advantage and “outsmart” the man, and at least get herself out of poverty.

    I am not at all excusing this entire mindset, because it is toxic and humiliating. I am only trying to understand how come there are so many “wicked” and “immoral” women where you live.

    I am curious what are your thoughts on this? I’ve made these observations based on a few internet articles, so I am not claiming anything, since I don’t know the real conditions there. But anyway, let me know your thoughts?

     

    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Paradoxy,

    A large percentage of women ARE immoral, and you will most likely come across more immoral women in your life than moral women.

    The way you phrase it sounds like an undeniable truth. You truly believe that the majority of women (or at least the majority of women in “the modernized world”) are immoral. And then you tell me you are not a misogynist? Lol.

    Speaking of the “modernized world”, do you mean the entire Western society? Are there countries that don’t belong to the modernized world, where you believe women are more moral?

    Therefore, the 93% applies to the women that I HAVE MET, not every single women in the world.

    It is not just based on my experience though, it is based on my experience AND other people’s experiences, including people close to me as well as strangers online all over the world.

    Okay, so your conclusion that the large majority of women is immoral is based not only on your own experience, but also experience of the people close to you (e.g. your parents), and also on what other people are sharing on various online platforms all over the world. Does it mean you participate in such online groups, where men share their experiences of women?

    Don’t get me wrong, I meant bad in terms of relationship wise, not in terms of being a kind/good human being. All of them are good people, but they just have their own selfish agenda when it comes to relationships.

    What do you mean by that? You’re saying that a woman can be a good and kind person, but be selfish when it comes to her romantic relationship. In what sense is she selfish?

    “Doing whatever they want” is in terms of women who think they should be allowed to participate in activities such as partying or clubbing and spending time with other men when they are obviously in a relationship, and when their man expresses that he doesn’t want her to go to clubs and etc, she calls him a controlling freak

    Okay, this sounds like B. She would go partying with other men (e.g. the rich Spanish guy and his friend) and then felt “crucified” by you when you objected. She was definitely selfish, had no consideration for your feelings.

    It is also true however that you didn’t want to go to any of the parties with her (if I understood well?). For example, she wanted to go to a concert, but you didn’t. And so she went alone, with her girlfriends. You said she was an extroverted person, and you just wanted to stay home most of the time, right? (also because you had to learn for your exams)

    So I think we should make a distinction there between 2 scenarios: one is when the man is trying to restrict his girlfriend’s social life and all of her interactions with other men (which might be innocent, friendly interactions). And another is when the girlfriend is behaving inappropriately, flirting with other men, and then calling her boyfriend a control freak. I guess she was falsely accusing you of being a control freak, when she in fact was behaving inappropriately with other men.

    In terms of relationships, an example of an entitled feminist would be someone who would look at a man’s expectations in a woman and call him a “bigot” but when the woman have expectations for a man, she would be called a “woman with good standards”.

    What were your expectations on B, for which she called you a bigot?

    Another example of an entitled feminist would be a women who calls themselves strong and independent and etc but they hate when the guy they are dating splits the bill 50/50.

    I agree with that. If the woman expects from the man to always pay, that’s not fair. It’s nice when the guy is a cavalier and offers to pay, but it’s not something the woman should expect and resent if the guy doesn’t offer.

    And another example would be women who see men as controlling when all they are trying to do is protect them.

    You mentioned earlier that you felt like you have to protect B from a potential assault:

    I know that if I do not protect her, her stupid behind is going to get herself in trouble again and I do not wish to wake up tomorrow to learn that she was raped and murdered.

    So I guess you were afraid that her wearing revealing outfits will get her in trouble? And so you tried to control what she is wearing, so she would be safe (among other things)? But she saw it as you trying to control her, right?

    As you have described her, she is someone who likes wearing revealing outfits, and actually likes male attention (e.g. she responded to sexting, initiated by your class mate). Which means she is a type of girl completely different from what you are looking for in a woman, which is modesty and chastity. And your mistake was to try to “regulate” her instead of letting her go.

    The thing is that we should never try to change our partner, especially if that requires a major change in their character or behavior. We should accept them as they are. Or if we can’t tolerate their behavior, and they are not willing to change, we should let them go.

    I would also like to say that in some countries men believe that a provocatively dressed woman “asked for it”, if she gets sexually assaulted. And that’s very wrong, because regardless of how a woman is dressed, it shouldn’t be a reason to get sexually attacked or harassed.

    I very much disagree with the idea that women should dress modestly, so not to “entice” men. It’s the men’s responsibility to control their urges, not women’s. Because if we take this to an extreme, it can lead to forcing women to cover up head to toe, which is a severe oppression.

    So anyway, when you say you tried to “protect” her by dictating the type of clothes she was wearing, that’s not really the way to treat a woman. If you can’t accept her clothing style, you shouldn’t be with her. Simple as that. Everything else is a form of control.

    I respect real feminists but the entitled feminists simply take advantage of it for their own selfish benefit and they do things such as, work less than men and still expect to be paid the same as men and then blame the pay gap on gender inequality despite being fully aware that the pay gap was only caused by the difference in work quality.

    As far as I know, there are a lot of examples where women are paid less for exactly the same job as men. There was a survey in which they asked women and men about their job interviews, and it turned out that women typically accept the salary they are offered, whereas men tend to bargain with the employer to get a higher salary.

    I guess that too is one of the reasons why women tend to get less money for exactly the same job: they are not confident enough to ask for a higher salary. And the employer doesn’t care about what is fair – they only care about cost minimization.

    Entitled feminists think they can do everything a man can, cause they don’t recognize that females are better at certain things like emotional intelligence while men are better at other things. Entitled feminists would try to say that the best female soccer team in the world is equal to the best male soccer team.

    Who is even comparing male and female soccer teams (or any other sports)? Nobody is comparing physical strength of men and women, because that’s indisputable. But a woman might be a good manager, or a good prime minister, or hold any leading position. Of course, provided that she has the necessary skills and talents. Excluding the woman, or paying her less, just because she is a woman – that would be inequality.

    Why do you sound like you are just searching for a reason to call me a misogynist lol? You know exactly what I am trying to say but you will still make suggestions like “perhaps you mean they shouldn’t be allowed to pursue a career they prefer?”. Like seriously?

    Well, you have some pretty strong views of women, and you did say you grew up in an old-fashioned family, so I thought I’d better check…

     

    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Paradoxy,

    I have obviously acknowledged that good women exist. See how easily you twist my words and assume the wrong meaning?

    I am absolutely not twisting your words. I said that you see good women as an exception to the rule. And you confirmed it. You said that 93% of the women you met were bad (“based on the countless number of people that I have met, the ratio of bad women to good is like 93:100″).

    And that’s misogyny. Because you extrapolate your experience to a wider population and believe that indeed, the large majority of women is immoral. And btw, our personal experience is very subjective, which means that some of the women you met and didn’t like might have indeed been immoral. While some other (such as your school friend) might have been good, caring people, but you saw them as bad.

    You actually said an extraordinary thing:

    I have realized that even though she has done a lot of stupid things, she is still 100000x better than most of the other women that I have met.

    So B – who was lying to you, cheating on you, and even prostituted herself behind your back – appeared to you as 100 thousand times better than most other women you met. Well, if you believe that a woman of a pretty low morale is still much better than 93% of the women out there, it shows that your view of women is pretty distorted. And unfortunately, it shows that you despise women.

    Here is your definition of entitled feminist women:

    Women who think they are equal to men and capable of doing whatever they want

    In what sense equal to men? You mean these feminists seek to have an equal say in the marriage?

    When you say “doing whatever they want”, do you mean they shouldn’t be allowed to cheat on their husbands? Or perhaps you mean they shouldn’t be allowed to pursue a career they prefer?

    So what exactly are they doing, which shouldn’t be allowed?

     

    in reply to: My depressed girlfriend left me #432434
    Tee
    Participant

    * correction in the one but last sentence. It should be:

    You might say that you would like to talk it through if you had a bad day at work, and would like to share your feelings and impressions with her.

    in reply to: My depressed girlfriend left me #432433
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Adam,

    honestly we haven’t really talked about long term goals or anything like that. Not a thought she has really entertained herself which I’m fine with in a way because I felt like it did put pressure on me as a partner with my exes whenever we spoke about the future. It also planted an expectation in my head.

    I hear you. You don’t want to put the stress on her, making it seem like you’re expecting her to get married to you. And also, you don’t want to start thinking that she is “the one”, and that you’ll spend the rest of your life with her. You did all that with your ex, and it didn’t end well. So you’re taking it slowly, which is a good thing.

    Just a simple “yeah that’s fair” as a reply.

    To what did she say “yeah that’s fair”? To the fact that you are upset by a bad review?

    I expected her to atleast ask, what happened at work? Or why is it stressing you out? But there wasn’t even a question about it. Just a simple “yeah that’s fair” as a reply. So I guess it does feel like I can’t communicate why I’m upset about things and that just makes me more upset.

    Yes, it does seem she isn’t too interested in knowing more about your feelings, or in empathizing with you. It does seem she is uncomfortable with emotional intimacy.

    She doesn’t seem to want to open up about anything or ask what’s going on with me when I make it obvious something is up.

    That’s pretty tough. So you do tell her you’re upset about something: you’re not only showing it by a change in your mood, but you actually tell her that you’re upset about something, right? And she isn’t interested in hearing more about it? And she also doesn’t share anything that might bother her, right?

    So it can confuse me a bit and make me overthink.  Maybe this is something I should mention?

    Yes, that’s certainly not a healthy relationship if one partner is emotionally closed down and doesn’t even want to talk about their emotions, nor is interested in yours. It may be that she is not in touch with her feelings, or is afraid that she wouldn’t be able to support you and empathize with you.

    Maybe she had a needy parent who was constantly complaining, and so now she is projecting that parent into you, believing that you are similar. Or she was judged and attacked whenever she would show vulnerability, and so she’s learned not to open up about her feelings. There could be multiple reasons for her behavior.

    But whatever it is, her behavior isn’t really something you should accept and live with, because it prevents you from having a deep, fulfilling relationship, in which you can truly “see” each other. You can’t be authentic if she denies talking about her true feelings, or isn’t interested in yours.

    So yes, you might want to bring it up with her. You might say that you would like to talk it through if you had a bad day at work, and would like her to share your feelings and impressions with her. But that she seems uninterested, which makes you feel rejected.

     

    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Dafne,

    I am doing alright, although some health anxiety is lurking again. But I have tools to deal with it now, so it’s manageable…

    But to be honest with you what really helped me was when you told me to take care of my emotional needs by myself. And that it is not too late to be loved and to not feel helpless anymore. It never occurred to me before that I can still do that now as an adult.

    I am glad this is what helped you. Yes, luckily it’s not too late and we, as adults, can actually help ourselves and meet those childhood needs. Which is really empowering and gives us hope!

    Anyways, I decided to see how the session goes with the counselor. It was not easy for me to do it but I gave it a shot.

    People were welcoming but unfortunately it was too judgmental and did not give me any tips on how to move on and heal faster.

    Glad you tried it out, but I agree with you – this counselor was not helpful at all!

    For example, they told me that it was my fault that I stayed with my abusive family. I should report them to social services when I was a child and I wasn’t smart enough to do that. Really? Could I change anything back then?

    Oh my! The counselor is blaming you as a child for not reporting your parents to social services. This is so wrong! How can a helpless child advocate for themselves when they might not be even aware that what they are experiencing is abuse. Also, children tend to cling to even the most abusive parents, because their survival literally depends on them, and they have nowhere else to go. So blaming you as the child for not doing anything to help yourself is utterly wrong and unprofessional.

    Also they told me that I ‘lost’ the man that I’ve met in the church because I was not proactive and waited too long. When he replied thank you to the video I should have contacted him again in a few days and say that I want to see him again.

    If he were interested, he would have kept the conversation going. You made the move, you sent him the video. He politely thanked you, but that’s all. After that he stopped communicating. There was nothing more you could have done to spark his interest, because he would have shown it to you, had he been interested.

    And that I should never ever tell him that my fiancĂŠe passed away as men are afraid of that. Is that true?

    No, absolutely not. That’s a painful fact from your past, but why would he be afraid of that? As if it was your fault that your fiancee passed away?? This counselor really doesn’t have a clue. What are their credentials btw? Where have you found them?

    I’ve got job offers abroad but every time had to refuse them as I felt guilty. I was really trying to apply some changes and even told them that I am planning to move out and will travel for my work. They say that if I go, I won’t find them here when I come back or that they will finish with their lives and I will end up by myself! My mom has a dog and told me that if I will leave her, she will give him away to strangers or even worst. She knows I love that dog and it feels like an manipulation with my feelings.

    I am so sorry, Dafne, that your mother is treating you like this. You are seeing it right: what your mother is doing is emotional blackmail. She is threatening to kill herself, or to kill or harm her dog, which is the lowest kind of blackmail. No wonder you feel guilty if you leave – because she is guilt tripping you, making you guilty if you don’t comply with her wishes.

    The first thing you’d need to do is to realize that you have the right to meet your own needs, to do things that are beneficial to you and your happiness. You don’t need to sacrifice yourself for your mother or anybody else. It is one thing to help your loved ones, but it’s an entirely different thing to sacrifice your life for someone who only thinks of themselves and doesn’t care one bit about you.

    It seems your mother is similar to your father in that aspect: telling you that you are selfish if you want to be happy and thrive in life. If you think of yourself too, not only of her and her needs. Doing something for yourself is selfishness in her eyes. Whereas it is her who is actually selfish. Because she only cares about herself, not you.

    She also drinks and her mood is horrible after that. She got bitter with age and that’s her way of dealing with problems and the regrets. Everytime she talks about the past, my mistakes with other man, shouts, compares me to my father etc. If I try to protect myself and tell her that she should not drink and that I felt disappointed by both of them and abandoned, she says that I have my father’s character

    There is a saying: “The best defense is a good offense.” When you try to make her accountable for her drinking, she doesn’t take responsibility for it, but instead blames you, telling you that you are like your father. She also blames you for your past mistakes. That’s a way to deflect attention from herself and talk about you and your deficiencies.

    She is refusing to take responsibility for her own deficiencies, for her own bad behavior, and instead focuses on you and your weaknesses. And if you mention hers, she is quick to accuse you of being selfish and mean, like you father.

    What she is doing is emotional abuse: emotional blackmail, guilt-tripping, false accusations and portraying herself the victim while falsely portraying you as the villain.

    She always gives examples of daughters who’s parents were alcoholics and abusers and those women were strong, not like me, and found husbands & got married. Why those comparisons? I don’t understand that.

    This is another way how she accuses you: that you are not strong enough, because other women are supposedly stronger, even if they had abusive parents. So again, she is not taking responsibility for her own abusive behavior, but accuses you of not being strong enough to endure the abuse. It is called victim blaming.

    It is similar to your father’s spiritual gaslighting: when he told you that your soul chose him to be your parent, which supposedly clears him from all responsibility. So again, victim blaming.

    I see a similarity between your mother and your father: they are both abusive, but deny all responsibility, and actually blame you for all sort of things: from being selfish if you want anything for yourself, to being weak for not enduring their abuse better.

    So both of your parents actually blame you for their own parenting mistakes, as well as for their present-day abusive, selfish behavior. Pretty astonishing!

    Everytime her hurtful remarks make me sad and I need a few days to recover from that. How can I respond to her?

    No wonder those remarks hurt you, because she is blaming you, while the truth is that you are actually her victim. And also, you are a loving and caring person, and so when your mother tells you you are selfish, a part of you starts thinking that maybe you are indeed selfish. Specially since you have received the same treatment from both of your parents: accusing their own child for having normal child’s needs, and now, for having normal adult needs!

    So unfortunately, what you have learned from your parents in your childhood (and it is continued to this day) is that having legitimate needs is selfish. That you don’t matter, but only they matter. This is the kind of programming that you are dealing with and that you would need to “reprogram”.

    With such parenting, it wouldn’t be surprising if one of your core false beliefs were “I don’t matter. I am not important”. Do you perhaps feel that way about yourself?

    How can I respond to her?

    I think similarly as to your father: to start setting boundaries. But first, to not believe her when she is guilt-tripping you and accusing you of being selfish. To know that you have the right to your needs, to your own life. That you are not a selfish person for wanting good things for yourself.

    And secondly, I would stop trying to make her see how destructive her behavior is, and how badly she has hurt you:

    If I try to protect myself and tell her that she should not drink and that I felt disappointed by both of them and abandoned

    Unfortunately, she is the kind of person who denies any responsibility of her own. So trying to extract any kind of admission from her (that she’s hurt you, past or present) will likely result in her accusing you and hurting you even more. Similarly as you stopped expecting that kind of admission from your father, try not to expect it from your mother either. Because chances are she won’t give it to you.

    Instead, start planning your future. Look into options of working abroad or moving away. Try not to feel guilty. I know it’s easier said than done, but start with at least a mental understanding that you have the right to meet your needs and go after your happiness.

    You can start small, by affording yourself something (perhaps a gift for yourself, or a trip that you always wanted to make), to counter the false belief that you and your needs don’t matter. So maybe give yourself a gift, spoil yourself with a little something, because you definitely deserve it.

    And then you can start planning for bigger things: how to be caring towards your mother (and her cousin), and yet not sacrifice your life. How to find a balance between caring for your own needs and caring for other people’s needs.

    The truth is that you can be loving and caring towards others, but do it from the place of self-love, not the place of guilt and self-denial.

    I hope you can start walking on that path, Dafne. The path of self-love, self-care, self-compassion. This is not selfishness at all, but what we all need if we want to truly live and be happy.

    I know you can do it, Dafne. It’s fantastic that you are already trying to help yourself, and feeling a bit more empowered and hopeful about the future.

    I am rooting for you, Dafne! Please let me know how it is going. And if you feel stuck, I am here…

    Lots of love and a big hug <3

     

    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Paradoxy,

    You ignore half of the things I say and then try to accuse me of being misogynistic? You grab on to the information YOU want and then use it to make your point instead of understanding the information as a WHOLE

    Actually I am looking at the bigger picture here – at everything you said, not only bits and pieces.

    WHY ARE YOU DRAGGING FEMINISM INTO THIS? I am talking about B ONLY. ONLY HER. I am not talking about ALL women in general. I am speaking SPECIFICALLY about B.

    Your experience with B cannot be observed separately from your view of women. They are intertwined. And it seems the fallout with B actually led you to confirm your bias against women, because this is what you said:

    The experience I had with her was enough to make me hate women in general. I am safer alone.

     

    Are you saying that entitled feminist women do not exist? Are you saying there are no stupid things that a lot of women do that is common between them?

    I don’t know what you mean by entitled feminist women? And of course, there are many women who are cheating on their partner, or marry for financial reasons (perhaps more so in your part of the world, I wouldn’t know). However, you cannot make generalizations and accuse all women, or women in general, to be like that. It would be like saying that all men are alcoholics and beat their wives, because there are some who are like that.

    Your parents brought you up with such a false generalization, which says that most women in the modern society are likely to be cheaters and gold diggers:

    they don’t trust women in general because they have seen many ruined relationships with cheating and gold diggers and etc

    You too accepted this generalization as the truth, so even though you don’t think that all women are immoral, you believe that good, honest women in the modern world are exceptions to the rule:

    They have taught me that women in the modernized world, can have ulterior motives for loving you so I should have my guard up and should not be vulnerable around a woman. But I am wise enough to realize that though they meant their words to apply to all modern woman, there will always be exceptions to their belief and I should become wise enough to distinguish a proper woman from gold diggers and etc.

    I have seen how a lot of women behave and it is way too similar and common behavior so I naturally started expecting them from every girl. That doesn’t mean I haven’t considered women who could be exceptions.

    So the rule, i.e. the false belief that you adopted, is that most women in the modern world are immoral and not “wife material”.

    This is the misogyny that I am talking about: believing that the majority of women is bad, but allowing for exceptions.

    Please. Stop. Misunderstanding. I am not being misogynistic. I AM AGREEING WITH YOUR PERSPECTIVE

    You still believe you are not misogynistic? Believing that good women are an exception to the rule?

     

    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Paradoxy,

    Stop putting words in my mouth cause I never said that a woman’s role is to give birth and take care of children and that the man’s role is to make all the important decisions, cause that is not true. Both of them are supposed to work together as the man take the responsibility of leading.

    I was not referring to the patriarchial system but if my words are not getting through to u, there is nothing I can do.

    Dear Paradoxy, you have described a patriarchal system to a tee, as well as exemplified a stance of superiority over women so many times in your posts. These are just some of the things you said about women:

    The women these days are becoming more entitled and feministic. They are not wife material.

    She displayed all the characteristics that I was looking for in a good wife, excluding the stupid things that most woman do, like overthinking and not listening etc, which I did not mind cause I knew it was normal for women.

    You believed you possessed a superior wisdom:

    Her parents did not take care of her well and so it was her aunt who actually took care of her so that would explain why she is so stupid. But even then, I always told her that if she is unsure, she could ask me for any advice as my father’s wisdom was passed down to me over the years that he taught me.

    You also attempted to impart that wisdom on her, by teaching her how to properly behave, as if she, a 24-year old educated woman, who in addition reads her Bible every day, doesn’t know what is prudent and not so prudent behavior.

    When she repeatedly refused to follow your guidance on proper behavior, you believed that she was intellectually impaired, i.e. stupid and oblivious, rather than someone who was sly and manipulative and pretended to agree with you even when she didn’t:

    The number of times she has made poor decisions and the number of times we have argued over the same point AFTER AGREEING WITH ME made me just come to the conclusion that she is not thinking.

    And why have you concluded that she was not thinking? Because that’s what you were taught to believe about women: that they are not thinking.

    Next, here is your description of the patriarchal system, which you claim is not patriarchal:

    The family should be following the father as he would be taking the responsibility of the leader that carries the foundation of the home while the mother keeps the home intact from the inside.

    The man is technically supposed to be a leading figure.

    Both of them are supposed to work together as the man take the responsibility of leading.

    I am not fit to be a son-in-law because most fathers want a son that is mature and man enough to handle the responsibility of being the man of the house. And that is a huge responsibility, and requires leadership skills, which I definitely lack due to my lack of confidence due to my poor mental and emotional health. I need a certain level of wisdom to understand how to handle the responsibilities of being the man of the house. Being the man of the house also requires me to ignore my emotions when taking responsibilities.

    So you portray the woman as someone to keep the home intact, and the man as the leader. What does a leader do? Makes decisions, tells the rest of the family (including his wife) what to do. His word is the last. So when you say “the man takes the responsibility of leading”, you are describing the patriarchal system – even as you are denying it.

     

    Anyway, I am not interested in arguing with you. My only motivation for engaging in a conversation with you was to help you. Because you came here confused, not knowing what to do and emotionally exhausted, after having been in a state of turmoil since January this year.

    There was a time in our conversation when you seemed interested in getting a different perspective – a perspective that might explain why you feel the way you feel, and that might help you heal your emotional wounds and make better choices in the future (including the choice of a romantic partner).

    But it seems that right now, you are not interested in that, but rather in arguing and proving your point.

    My impression is that at the moment you are not willing to get to the root of the problem, because it might be painful for your inner child. And that’s why you took a defensive stance, where you argue one of my main points: of needing to heal your emotional wounds from childhood. Because if you acknowledged it, you would need to look deeper into it, and it is scary.

    Right now you are in a defensive mode, and nothing I say can reach you.

    So I will say goodbye now, hoping that with time, your stance will change, and that you will choose to actually heal those painful parts, rather than denying that they exist.

    I wish you well, Paradoxy, and till perhaps another time, Godspeed!

     

    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Paradoxy,

    I wasn’t expecting compassion or pity from her. I just wanted her to understand HER FLAWS. Not understand MY ISSUES. I wanted her to FIX HERSELF. I wanted HER to IMPROVE, so that she would become the PERFECT WOMAN for me. That is completely unrelated to my unmet need because if that was the case, I would be trying to make her understand MY ISSUES and sympathize with ME. Instead I tried to CORRECT HER. I wanted to FIX HER.  I wanted to sympathize with HER and keep correcting her when she misunderstands things about me like assuming that I was cheating and etc, cause these misunderstandings were the core reasoning behind her foolish decisions.

    Yes, you wanted her to become a better person. But why? So that she wouldn’t hurt you anymore. You said it here:

    SHE IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND HER MISTAKES SO SHE CAN CORRECT THEM BECAUSE I WANTED TO LOVE HER WITHOUT HER CAUSING ME MORE PAIN

    You wanted her to understand that she is hurting you with her actions, didn’t you?

    You also didn’t want to be falsely accused by her and made seem like an abuser:

    I don’t like the feeling of being made to look like the abuser while she pretends to be the victim.

    You confirmed that you kept fighting with her even after the breakup because you wanted to prove to her that you are a good person, with good intentions:

    [my question] Okay, so you are aware that she is like a snake, but you still have the urge to prove it to her that you didn’t deserve to be bitten – that you are a good person, right?

    [your reply] Yes that is precisely it. But I think I am doing it for myself too. Because the things she say makes me question myself and doubt my intentions when making decisions. Proving her wrong gives me some form of inner peace. I want to prove that my intentions were pure, even if some of my decisions were poorly made.

    [my question] So the dynamic is: one part of you (your inner child) believes he is a source of pain for others. And he is trying to prove that he isn’t. He is trying to prove that he is a good, loving boy, with pure intentions, and that he doesn’t want to hurt anybody.

    [your reply] Yes that is precisely what is happening. I never wanted to hurt anyone. But talking to B is reminding me of all the persons who looked down on me, the list is not limited to the stories that I have told you about my past cause other small incidents occurred that doesn’t have a major impact but it still ended the same way as everyone else. Even with the case with Anita, it was not my intention to hurt her, but in the end that is what I did and I am to be blamed for that.

    So a lot of your arguments were about you trying to prove to her that you are a good person, not an abuser. It was you trying to make her understand YOU, make her have empathy for YOU.

    You felt like a bad person, a person who causes others pain. And when she would accuse you of being a bad person with her too, you wanted to prove that she is not right (“I never wanted to hurt anyone. But talking to B is reminding me of all the persons who looked down on me”).

    That’s why I said that your endless arguing with her was motivated by you attempting to prove something about YOURSELF (that you are a good person, who doesn’t want to cause others pain).

    It wasn’t just an attempt to change her, as you are claiming now. And even your attempt to change her was so that she wouldn’t cause you pain with her actions. You needed her to understand that she was causing you pain. Something your parents never understood and never had interest in understanding.

    That’s why I believe (and you actually confirmed it in your earlier posts) that you staying with her for so long, engaging in endless arguments to prove your point, was very much about meeting your own need: the need to prove that you are a good and loving person. The need to prove your innocence, i.e. good intentions.

    And the need to explain to her that she was causing you pain. Which is in fact the need for her to empathize with you.

     

    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Paradoxy,

    I haven’t responded to the first part of your post, where you talk about your feeling of loneliness and not being understood, first by your parents, and then by other adults, such as your teachers, church men and other parents.

    I want to say I am sorry for the pain you went through, and especially that you had to go through it alone.

    They said it was my fault that I am alone and my fault for failing to make friends.

    When you complained to your parents about being rejected by other kids, they blamed you. When you started feeling depressed about it, they summoned other parents to lecture you:

    I was lectured saying that my way of thinking is wrong and I should just change my mindset like the flip of a switch and etc. I had become a pessimist after going through so much cause it was the only way I could prepare myself for whatever experience life decided to throw at me.

    School teachers blamed you too for not hanging out with other students:

    My school teachers told my mom that I was a quiet and reserved student but they expected better from me due to the “potential” I was wasting and etc. They have noticed that I wander around the school and have seen my sitting by myself away from the other kids and they think it is my fault for not engaging with other kids. They told me that I should grow up and act more mature for my age cause depression and pain is just a state of mind and not real.

    They also told your mother that depression is “not real” and that you should snap out of it, basically. Without offering any psychological help for you.

    The Church leaders lectured you too, telling you to follow the path your father has chosen for you. They minimized your mental/emotional problems and said you should get your act together, because you are a man:

    The Church men said similar things too, that I should follow the path my father has chosen for me cause it gurantees a good future for me and I shouldn’t continue the way that I am acting because it is not mature for my age and that a lot of people are experiencing much worse in life and they do not complain and so I should just endure whatever emotional/mental issue I am having and move forward because that is what a man does and etc.

    Unfortunately, all adults that you interacted with, including your school teachers, failed to provide support for you. Instead, they blamed you – the child – for having psychological issues. It wasn’t only your parents, but the entire system you grew up in. They all showed a complete disregard and ignorance about children’s mental health issues, as well as emotional needs of children.

    It is very clear to me that your emotional needs weren’t met, and that’s why you felt unloved and like a burden to your parents. I am pretty sure that it is because of the same reasons – of feeling unloved and rejected by your parents – that you later felt rejected by your peers too:

    THEY DON’T WANT ME AROUND

    That’s because the false belief was already formed in your subconscious (the false belief being “I am unlovable” and “I am a burden”). And this false belief served as a self-fulfilling prophecy and brought about situations where you ended up feeling rejected by your peers all the time.

    It all stems from the basic message that your parents gave you: “you are unlovable as you are”. “You are a burden to us.”

    Everything that you’ve experienced later is the consequence of that false foundation, which your “house” (i.e. your sense of identity) was built on.

    I do understand you and where your problems are coming from. And I’ve been trying to explain that mechanism to you. But you don’t seem to accept that explanation. You keep blaming yourself, claiming that you would have turned out the same even if you had more loving parents, or that everybody around you (all adults) are the same and that you wouldn’t be a good enough son-in-law for anybody etc.

    I was trying to tell you that the system you are trying to fit in is corrupt, and that you don’t need to try to fit in. But you keep making excuses for the system, saying that these practices are widespread: “almost every Asian family does this same thing”, “A LOT of families still work with this ideology”, “OTHER PARENTS SHARED THE SAME GOAL AS THEM”.

    Basically, what you are saying is that emotional abuse is normal in your community, or your social circle. However, it doesn’t make it less problematic, or less harmful. Because even if it’s normal, it is NOT HEALTHY. It is not a system in which a person could really thrive and be happy. It is a system based on suppressing our true self and our true needs.

    So you would need to decide: do you want to keep defending the distorted system that caused you great emotional harm and suffering, or you want to start focusing on healing from that system?

     

    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Paradoxy,

    Tee, just go back and read how I want to be with my wife, cause you are misunderstanding me too many times now especially after expressing how much I want to be able to SERVE my wife.

    I know what you have said – you have expressed your opinion of women (which mostly aligns with your parents’ opinion of women). You defended your parents’ suspicions of women from the Western hemisphere (“I was just telling her about the experiences they had with women from this side of the world”), who were exposed to the influence of “the modern society”.

    In order to “prove” this prejudice about women, you listed various examples of women being gold-diggers and cheaters. You mentioned some woman juggling three men while seeking to rip of a rich Chinese guy, and also more evidence of such immoral women that your father regularly lets you know about in your daily phone calls.

    You also said, and now you are repeating, that it is actually women’s fault that men have to stuff their emotions:

    That is why there are a lot of cases where women leave their partners or look down on them when their partner reach a breaking point and starts crying or something.

    You may not be aware of it but this ideology is quit common around the world and so men have no choice but to keep their emotions under control because if they cry or something, their partners tend to see it as weakness and inferiority as they expect their man to “hold down the fortress” and not “whine”.

    So women force men to stuff down their emotions? Not perhaps your father and other men who tell you to “suck it up and be a man”?

    And when you say “cry or something“, maybe “something” means when they become verbally and physically aggressive? So perhaps women leave their husbands not because they are sensitive and crying, but because they are aggressive and can’t control their anger?

    I am not saying that the wife is not smart enough and needs the man’s guidance, but that the family should be following the father as he would be taking the responsibility of the leader that carries the foundation of the home while the mother keeps the home intact from the inside.

    Without both of them, a home will not stay intact for long. Both partners are equal but they have their own roles to play in a family. A father cannot act as a mother and a mother cannot act as a father. They have their own set of responsibilities and skills and roles that are important when it comes to turning a house into a home.

    Yes, what you are describing is a patriarchal system, in which the man is the head of the family, and men and women have strictly defined ROLES. It is the woman’s role to give birth and take care of the children and the household, while it is the man’s role to make all important decisions.

    Some of those roles are natural, because men obviously cannot give birth. Also, it is ideal e.g. that the woman spends time with the baby when it is born, while the man goes to work and provides for the family. Also, men and women are different in physical strength and skills, so some of those roles are natural.

    But some of the roles – such as making the man in charge of decision making – is an invented, imposed role. It stems from a false belief that men are smarter than women.

    You exemplified the same belief many times when you said that it is normal for women to act stupidly and make stupid decisions. Also, when you found excuses for B’s inappropriate behavior by claiming that she is stupid and “operating on literally three brain cells”.

     you are misunderstanding me too many times now

    I am not misunderstading you, Paradoxy. I know very well what you said and what your beliefs are. You expressed them many times, including now, in this latest post.

    I am not saying good women do not exist, because I know that a lot of men found women that understood them emotionally but the reality is there are a lot of women who do not understand this.

    You say you agree with me, but in the very next breath you come with an explanation why you are still right about women being gold diggers, cheaters, or even forcing men to suppress their emotions (which is one the most ridiculous claims I’ve heard).

    You want to keep focusing on the “lot of women who do not understand this“, same as your father, who is quick to tell you about examples of immoral women in his daily phone calls with you.

    So it seems you want to remain in this patriarchal system, which looks down on women and wants to keep them in their place, in their “role” (which is a subservient role that men have imposed on them).

    Tee, just go back and read how I want to be with my wife, cause you are misunderstanding me too many times now especially after expressing how much I want to be able to SERVE my wife.

    How can you serve your wife, if you believe you have to lead her and make decisions for her?

     

    in reply to: Feels like Time is passing too fast #432183
    Tee
    Participant

    Hey SereneWolf,

    I always admire the way you’re able to find something positive no matter the situation. And how far along you came battling with your health anxiety. It’s not easy I know but nonetheless you’re doing well.

    Thanks, I am trying my best. In the past year or so I’ve started becoming aware of the layers of fear that I grew up with, out of which health anxiety is just one manifestation. So I am looking at fear, feeling it in my body, and trying to separate myself from it (so that it doesn’t take me over me completely). It’s not easy, but I’ve made some progress…. and there is still a lot of work in front of me.

    and since you mentioned the “Hack” have you ever tried Ayurvedic medicine or therapy? Sometimes it works wonders

    No, I haven’t. Not sure it would work for spine problems though?

    I think you’re on point about the inner child need. It’s so funny but let me tell you anyways just the other night I had this need to someone to like baby me. Like I wanted to be taken care of so badly. I was like why I care too much? Can’t I have that?

    I think it’s actually normal – that longing to be cared for, caressed, and just be loved for who you are, without any expectations on you. Because we as babies shouldn’t do anything to deserve love – we should just be ourselves, and our parents should shower us with love, care, nurturance, enjoying spending times with us, cooing to us, caressing us, playing with us, playing peekaboo and all the other fun stuff.

    We all need parents who are completely into us, who adore us and who see us as special and amazing. That’s how our self-worth develops – not by achieving things, but just by being loved and adored as babies and toddlers.

    So perhaps you want some of that feeling of being cuddled and loved just because someone really enjoys your presence? (just like our parents should have enjoyed our presence, but with many parents it unfortunately wasn’t the case).

    Hmm I see, and when you say Love and appreciation. What do you mean by that? Romantic love now? Can you elaborate?

    Actually, by appreciation I meant what I described above: enjoying our presence, being happy to have us around, seeing us as special, appreciating having us in their life. What we should get from our parents as children. Basically giving us the message: “I am happy to have you in my life”.

    I’m kinda enjoying talking with her though. Like sometimes I’m literally waiting for her texts. I don’t like this feeling. I don’t want to get attached to her. She’s alright but just no.

    How do you feel with her? If you feel lightness (as in not being criticized by her, not needing to behave in a certain way so she wouldn’t be offended, the ability to just be yourself without needing to present yourself in a certain way), that’s a good sign.

    Also, if you can let go of the need to change her, e.g. to judge her for her smoking, or for her “being on the verge of anger”, or for any other behavior. If you would be embarrassed to introduce her to your parents, for example, that’s not a good sign. It means there is something that bothers us about the person’s behavior, and we can’t accept them as they are but would like to change them.

    and I’m not sure if I’m just doing that out of loneliness. Because I don’t think I’m feeling lonely or is it entirely something else

    Well, you did say you want someone to baby you. So I guess you do long for that intimacy and closeness (physical and emotional) with someone. So this might increase your interest in her…

    Yeah I’ll try that. Also like I said the feeling of time passing too fast, It goes away when we try to do something new or like feel something new or different

    You mean you feel like you are not wasting your time if you are dating and meeting new people? Perhaps you feel the pressure of settling down and starting a family, which is another expectation on yourself? (and it is actually coming from the outside, i.e. your own parents and family)?

    I know right!? They see it as light joke. That’s the problem. And no my sister wasn’t disturbed because they all think they’re just kids.

    Yeah, that’s unfortunate because that’s when we are the most vulnerable and impressionable – as children. Believing that it doesn’t matter because they are children is exactly the opposite of truth.

    You already know how much of my anger is just buried. But yeah next time I’ll try to do that

    I don’t know, you might want to tell your sister that children are super sensitive, so teachers, doctors, coaches and other authority figures (as well as parents, of course) should be careful not to say hurtful things and humiliate them, specially in front of their peers, because those are the kinds of wounds that stay forever…

     

    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Paradoxy,

    Btw did you ever express to your parents that you don’t want to study medicine? That you would prefer engineering? And what did your father state as his reasons as to why you should study medicine over engineering?

    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Paradoxy,

    My parents are ASIAN. It is commonly known how Asian parents are. Always comparing the kids to other kids. Always getting disappointed when their child doesn’t bring home an A+. Always planning to make their child become a doctor or a software engineer or a lawyer etc even before they are even born. Hammering in the foundations of mathematics into their head when they are a mere child to ensure that they do well in school. That is not greed. That is like a traditional thing and almost every Asian family does this same thing. That is why it is known as the Asian stereotype, which most people are aware of. This is NORMAL for us. So obviously they won’t prioritize mental health because they are oblivious to the impact of mental health.

    I understand that about Asian parents. But you said you wanted to be an engineer (computer engineer, if I understood well). That should be acceptable enough for Asian parents. But they still wanted you to study medicine. That’s what I was reacting to. Because you can earn a decent salary with computer engineering as well.

    But that wasn’t good enough for them. They wanted you to study medicine, even though medicine requires enormous dedication, and if someone isn’t really into it, it can make their life miserable. Actually I think it’s counter-productive.

    But still, they forced you to study medicine. That’s why I believe it’s a significantly greater pressure and expectation than what typical Asian parents expect from their child.

     

Viewing 15 posts - 61 through 75 (of 1,930 total)