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  • in reply to: Feels like Time is passing too fast #411858
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    Dear SereneWolf,

    Yes I totally agree I like the style, he always try to explain things with simple examples without making it too complex. So for a creating boundaries video he gave an example like suppose boundary is like.. it’s your own property so try to have a good neighbourhood first (Being around with good supportive and loving people) which also connects the dot for critical voice video

    Yes, definitely. It’s important whom we surround ourselves with. But also, if sometimes we can’t avoid dealing with nasty or demanding people – to have boundaries to protect ourselves from them.

    Neighbours can’t tell what colour my house should be

    Yes! No one should be able to control how you live your life…

    and the really good thing I’m noticing these days because I’m mindful about empathy is that they’re more open with me as well so I do feel better connected with them. So I’m really grateful having good friends.

    Nice! Are some of those female friends also your work colleagues?

    Okay so for this I do struggle with that. Most of the time I say Yes and then get anxious as well. And I do feel like I shouldn’t disappoint my bosses or my team members but it’s like a dilemma If I’m saying Lot of YES means in some way I’m disappoint my team members because of more work and also the pressure (Which I feel too) and If I say NO even though sometimes it’s okay I overthink about it like I shouldn’t have said No to Him/her. Because it’s my work and I shouldn’t say No.

    AndĀ  sometimes I don’t even listen the whole thing and be like ā€œDon’t worry, consider it done.ā€

    Alright, so it seems you’re really anxious about saying No to your bosses. Sometimes you don’t even listen till the end about what the task is – you accept it without consideration. Even if it may not be feasible and your team won’t be able to deliver it, or it will require an unacceptable amount of work and stress on their part to complete the task.

    What are you afraid would happen if you say No? (not rudely of course, but politely – if you explained why your teams needs more time, or why is something not such a good idea). Are you afraid you would get fired? Or that the boss would lose his respect for you (because you would seem weak and incompetent)? Or something else?

    And now the thing is that there are new team members comes in my team too they would know only how to water the plant but when they understand and be adaptive and understand so even just little things that they understands they deserve appreciation.

    Okay, I think I understand: so the praise would be mostly for the newcomers who learn fast and show a proactive attitude, and do more than is expected of them, right? It’s a good idea to give them praise and appreciation, however I don’t think that other team members should be obliged to do the praising, but only you, as the team leader. (You said “if someone is doing better at least 3 people closest to the member and included team leader should write little handwritten note“.)

    Because I think it’s a bit like parenting – you don’t force other siblings to praise their younger brother or sister. It’s the responsibility of the parents. Because if you force other siblings to do it, they might start feeling jealous and resentful towards their younger sibling. So it might backfire and not be good for the team spirit. But if you, as the team leader, praise the newcomer, and also praise everyone who is doing their best – I think that’s useful and productive.

    At least that’s how I see it… tell me if you see it differently?

    Well I that’s really awesome that you have this much of self-awareness. I’m also working on my compassion part.

    Many many years of working on myself did make me pretty self-aware, yes… but it was a long process, definitely not something that happened over night.

    I am glad you’re working on your empathy and becoming more self-aware as well…

    And thank you for offering help with my anxiety. It’s manageable, so I am fine at the moment, but I appreciate your offer!

     

    in reply to: Lack of respect or cheating? #411802
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    Dear Hello,

    I didn’t know you have children. In that case of course you need to take their interests into account too, and play it smart. I like that you have a plan and you’re sticking to it. Good job!

    he’s got a history of manipulating others close to him financially and those closest to him have even told me about it. Even his son said he’s made a habit off living off of others since his wife left. His mom warned me of the same.

    That’s interesting that even his son and mother warned you about his money habits. He must have manipulated them too into giving him money, which he probably never returned… so they probably speak from experience. It’s nice of them that they warned you, and that you finally saw through him as well.

    Good that he doesn’t have access to your bank account!

    Wishing you a smooth transitional period between now and January 15, and pleasant, calm holidays!

    in reply to: Feels like Time is passing too fast #411779
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    Dear SereneWolf,

    well it was cold and rainy for the weekend, but now it’s cold and sunny, which is a much better option šŸ™‚

    That could be right just yesterday I watched video on LinkedIn by Simon Senek how vulnerability could the greatest power in leadership position

    I like Simon Sinek, yes he talks a lot about true leadership and I think that according to him, good leadership has some components of good parenting. I remember he said “good leaders eat last”, as in taking care of your team’s needs first. In fact, I see that there’s a book of his with that title (“Leaders eat last”), but haven’t read it. In any case, Simon Sinek is definitely the person to learn from about good leadership, which includes vulnerability too.

    it’s also right that creating an emotionally safe environment for your team it ain’t no easy work. But somehow, I’ll learn

    No, it’s not an easy work, but it starts with you, as their leader. First you’d need to embrace vulnerability as something positive, as a virtue, not a weakness. And then you can encourage others too…

    I watched the video ā€œThis is how you replace the critical voices in your headā€œ.

    Glad you watched the video! And that you’re planning to watch his video on setting boundaries too. I really like his style, he explains things so well. In fact he is an executive coach too, and I guess he too teaches vulnerability (and boundaries) to leaders as well. I am really glad to have people like him and Simon Sinek influence the business community…

    Things I noticed like you said before I do have to surround myself with positive people. And I see that I do interact with positive people. Some of my friends gives me good vibes and even at work It’s going good.

    from my experience most of the female friends (not gfs) that I have they’re more open and vulnerable they trust in me, empathy, communication their way to express their selves can’t be even compared with my guy friends.

    Good to hear that! It’s also good that you have female friends who are open and honest with you, show empathy and don’t pretend when they communicate with you. And if they are also positive, having in general an optimistic outlook on life and are supportive when you need it – then it’s a great treasure. Those are really good, valuable friends!

    As for the guys, maybe some of them are positive because they believe they have to be positive, that it’s expected of them:

    The thing is that my group is always like take everything down with smile, don’t say No (Which is like my biggest problem) because we feel like we should be capable of anything, and we shouldn’t disappoint people by Saying NO.

    Do you, as a team leader, never say NO to your supervisors, even though you sometimes have concerns about the feasibility of the task? Do you feel you shouldn’t disappoint your bosses, and so you accept everything, and then you and your team suffer as the result? I’m asking because I’d like to understand the dynamics…

    But the thing is that people everywhere taking criticism very seriously and praise very lightly that’s what I noticed and same thing is happening with me. So I’ve decided to start new thing for my team if someone is doing better at least 3 people closest to the member and included team leader should write little handwritten note (Even if just a small sticky note) to make that person feel like that did something good and it would cheer them.

    I am not sure if I understood it well: so you’re planning to introduce a system of appreciative notes – for those who are performing well, or exceeding the average performance (if someone is doing better)? Or is it for those who were criticized and have improved their performance since?

    And building neuroplasticity with practice – What’s your experience with that so far?

    Well, I can tell you that my inner critical voice is very silent, almost inaudible nowadays šŸ™‚ It doesn’t mean I am not aware of my weaknesses, it’s just that I have much more compassion and understanding for myself than before. I don’t know if this would be visible in how those neurons in the brain are firing, but that’s what happened šŸ™‚ I do still have anxiety in certain situations, my amygdala getting triggered, but it’s not related to my self-esteem. So I definitely am different than I was years ago…

     

    in reply to: Does he like me? #411778
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    Dear Katrine,

    continuing to anita’s post, I did find it strange when you first mentioned (recently) that your sister was angry with you because you couldn’t go to her son’s Christening. I thought to myself – wow, she (your sister) has a child and a partner? I too had the impression that she was living at home with your parents, and wasn’t able to function on her own. But then I told myself that maybe her condition improved in the last 2 years and she found a partner, became pregnant etc. And that she is using her tantrums to manipulate you and your parents to get what she wants.

    In Sept 2020, she was still dependent on your parents’ help for day-to-day functioning. After the tantrum she had, when she was rolling on the floor and pulling her hair, and when your mother broke down, you said that it was your father who took over the care of your sister: He is now in charge of dealing with my sister, so to leave me and my mom out of it.

    Which tells me that 2 years ago she was still dependent on your parents. Was it that soon after that she met her boyfriend and sort of pulled herself together, maybe moved out of your parents’ home and started a life on her own, with her new boyfriend?

     

    in reply to: Does he like me? #411754
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    Dear Katrine,

    I’ve noticed a typo in one sentence. It should be like this:

    Please tell me if it wasn’t like that for you…

    in reply to: Does he like me? #411752
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    Dear Katrine,

    good to hear from you! I was sick with covid 2 weeks ago, but thankfully am fully recovered now.

    Knowing that Y is planing on going to Canada and travel with the guy I like, but still hasn’t told me about it. Makes me wonder if we are really friends or if something is going on behind my back.

    I can imagine why this situation is making you feel uncomfortable. How come Y is travelling to Canada? Has she planned it before, independently of your guy, or there is something going on between the two of them?

    In any case, the fact that she hasn’t told you yet, and you’re supposed to be close, is unusual. Maybe for some reason she feels uncomfortable telling you. Do you think it’s possible they got together? Because so far it was always like there’s nothing romantic going on between either X or Y and your guy, they’re just friends… Maybe they are indeed, but are travelling together because he’s going back home, and she was planning to travel to Canada in January, so they thought why not go together… I don’t know Katrine, it is strange. I guess you’ll find out soon enough…

    As for your guy not looking you in the eyes, even if he was there right in front of you… well it’s a typical behavior of someone who is uncomfortable about contact. It can be his usual avoidant behavior with you, or it can be that there is something going on between him and Y, which makes him even more uncomfortable. Again, I don’t know, Katrine, but whatever it is, please don’t blame yourself – it is absolutely not your fault.

    I’m trying to tell myself that I may not be as bad as it makes me feel, and try not to think too much about it.

    No, you’re not bad whatsoever! The fact that he doesn’t greet you or doesn’t look you in the eye has nothing to do with you – it’s all about him and what is going on his mind. Please don’t let his immature behavior define how you feel about yourself!

    The guy I was with earlier this year is in a new relationship. With a girl he knew from home before moving to Europe and wanting to settle here. All of his stories are about them going on dates. I stopped looking at them because it just makes me feel bad, because he never did any stories on social media with me.

    As far as I understood, your relationship with this guy had an expiry date from the beginning. I mean, neither of you wanted it to continue once the guy leaves your country, right? And you weren’t really upset about it. I mean, that’s how I understood it. So perhaps that’s why he wasn’t posting anything about you on social media – since he knew it was only temporary? I don’t want to sound insensitive, but that’s how I understood it. Please tell me it wasn’t like that for you…

    At my brother in laws 30th birthday party I was soo anxious, he has four siblings and they were all there with their partners and they still had there jobs. I was able too have fun though, talking a lot with his siblings and the conversation actually went as if we had been friends for years, that really surprised me. But then my sisters behaviour of such a loveling and caring person and they way his parents was talking about her like, who is this person? Do I really know he? when saying goodbye I couldn’t get myself to look her in the eyes I just looked down and said goodby and so joined my dad. A week later my dad got a phone call from her, she and his parents had noticed my behaviour and said that it would have consequences, I probably wouldn’t be welcome in their house again and I wasn’t going to be invited to my sisters birthday two months later. I was shocked. It was a very strong reaction in my book,

    Yes, it is a very strong reaction! You were denied future visits because you haven’t cheerfully greeted your sister but looked down while saying goodbye. When did this happen?

    I understand why you didn’t feel like greeting her – because you felt triggered. You saw how “loving and kind” she is with other people, and you know how selfish and judgmental she is with you, and that’s what upset you. You felt resentment towards her, and you couldn’t bring yourself to be nice to her. You let that resentment be visible to everybody, and I guess that infuriated her.

    And sure enough, she retaliated, because that’s what she always did, hasn’t she? She had the right to be mean to you, but you didn’t have the right to be mean to her. Your parents defended her and never protected you. Or they blamed both of you, when it was clearly her fault. That’s very unfair.

    It was the same this time: your father first scolded you (I guess repeating her words and her point of view), and then when you reacted and started yelling at him, he accused both of you:

    He threathen to leave the family saying he didn’t want to have to deal with us children and all the problems anymore

    Again, he wasn’t interested in finding out who is right and who is wrong – he was just interested in keeping the false peace. You were expected to give in to her whims, so she would stop her tantrums and her screaming. You needed to give in, so there would be peace in the house. You were always accused, while she was almost always excused.

    As I said, very unfair. No wonder you’ve got so much resentment towards her!

    I think you’d need to process that anger, preferably in therapy – years and years of abuse by your sister, and your parents tolerating that abuse, not protecting you from it, even blaming you for it. You need to express it in a safe environment.

    If you do, two things will happen: 1) You’ll be less affected by her behavior in the future, and 2) You’ll be able to set boundaries with your sister and even cut all contact with her, if necessary. Because you don’t deserve to be abused like that – you don’t need it in your life and you’re allowed to say “No! Thus far and no further!”

    Do you have an opportunity to go therapy?

    in reply to: Falling out of love #411734
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    Dear thosedays,

    There is quite abundant info about Adult ADHD out there, you can check out how people suffer from Adult ADHD suffers in relationship.

    I’ve read what anita quoted about ADHD and relationships, and I have to admit, one thing puzzles me: You said earlier that your relationship works fine and is peaceful (we matched almost every aspect of life. The relationship works fine, I loved the peacefulness).

    Peacefulness, at least to me, seems in contradiction with some of the relationship features described above, such as tension and partner’s frustration because the person suffering from ADHD is not paying attention to them, or is late, or forgets about mutual plans etc.

    If your relationship is mostly peaceful, how do you achieve it? Is there very little interaction between you and your girlfriend, perhaps each of you living in your own bubble, and that’s why there is no tension between you either?

     

    in reply to: Feels like Time is passing too fast #411718
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    Dear SereneWolf,

    I am glad that it helped you to get a different perspective – that of growth instead of disease. And also that you were reminded that we all need help, regardless of our position in the company and the level of success we have. In fact, it could be that successful people are more open to getting help (i.e. to work on themselves), and that’s what makes them so successful! I am not sure about this, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it were true.

    I’d say mostly some of my friends and colleagues. Because at work I’m spending time with them and when I’m out I’m spending time with them, and I guess like me they may have vulnerability issues like me too that’s why they’re afraid of opening up.

    Okay, so it’s not your parents but your friends and colleagues, the people you spend most of your time with. I think you’re right – they too probably don’t feel comfortable talking about their issues, but pretend that everything is fine. I don’t want to use stereotypes but sometimes when men get together, it’s hard to really talk honestly – it’s all about joking, sarcasm and trying to verbally outsmart each other. I am not saying all men are like that, but they are more prone to putting on a mask of a “tough, cool guy”, because that’s what they think is expected of them. And it’s a defense mechanism – they think that showing vulnerability is weak and dangerous. So they just do what they think is safe – which is to pretend. Maybe you’re surrounded by those kind of guys (and maybe girls too)?

     

    in reply to: Does he like me? #411704
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    Dear Katrine,

    how have you been? It’s been a while since you wrote, so I thought to check on you…

    in reply to: Feels like Time is passing too fast #411703
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    Dear SereneWolf,

    I’d like to add something to what I’ve said in my last sentence (to surround yourself with people who support you). I know this might not be easy for you, specially if you’ve never really shared about your internal struggles with other people, if you were hesitant to talk about your fears, self-doubts, insecurities etc. If you don’t have friends whom you can confide it, you can’t just suddenly surround yourself with such people.

    That being said, it would still be important that you do have someone to talk to (besides us on the forum), someone who can support you in your growth. Even the top CEOs strive to grow, and many of them have coaches. Not only business coaches, but personal coaches, who help them deal with the challenges of managing people and managing the company. They’re not embarrassed to seek help – on the contrary, they are proud of it. They are in the growth mindset, which also includes growth in emotional health, empathy and soft skills in general – everything that you are aiming for.

    Ā people around me does makes me feel like psychotherapy isn’t normal so I’m hesitant for that.

    But growth is normal, right? Even desirable? How about reframing your quest as the quest for growth, for being the best version of yourself, instead of “healing from disease”? Would that help you accept that it’s okay to seek help, that it’s not an embarrassment (like maybe you thought so far)?

     

    in reply to: Feels like Time is passing too fast #411590
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    Dear SereneWolf,

    And yes, people around me does makes me feel like psychotherapy isn’t normal so I’m hesitant for that. I apologize if it showed up in different mannered way

    I think I understand why you decided to start a new thread, under a new name – maybe in part because you wanted other opinions about how to help yourself without therapy? The truth is that you can do a lot for yourself without therapy, including work on diminishing your inner critical voice too. But having a supportive, positive voice (or voices) in your surroundings is also very important, because you can’t do it on your own entirely – you can’t pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.

    I’m again going to suggest a video by Dr. Henry Clod (he has a video on almost any topic! šŸ™‚ ). It’s titled “This is how you replace the critical voices in your head“. He talks about self-help but also other people’s help – be it in form of therapy or coaching or a support group, or even just friends who will support you and encourage you rather than judge you and criticize you.

    For example, you say that you are surrounded by people who judge those who go to psychotherapy:

    I’m surrounded with people who thinks only crazy and mentally unstable people needs psychotherapy.

    Are those judgmental people only your parents, or also your girlfriend, friends and colleagues? Is there anybody in your life who would actually be supportive of you working on yourself, so you can be happier and more satisfied than you are now? If not, I suggest you surround yourself with positive people, who have your true best interest in mind, not by those who think they know what’s best for you.

    in reply to: Lack of respect or cheating? #411584
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    Dear Hello,

    thank you for the update! I am glad you’re moving towards separation as you planned and will have your own place since January 15! Congratulations, well done!

    In my opinion if he truly cared a lot looking within, proving his care and respect for me, he would have immediately responded differently by saying something like ā€œI’ll erase tinder now and I’m truly sorryā€ or ā€œ I can see how me speaking to my x affair would be hypocritical ā€œ

    but no – he’s done nothing to dive into the real issues which tells me he has no intentions of doing so

    It does seem he has no intentions to change, but believes, rather immaturely, that he can woo you with his love bombing and his “good behavior”, so you would forget everything he did so far, so he can continue doing what he’s done so far: spending your money, possibly cheating on you with other women, and assassinating your character, so you would feel like a bad person who owes him something. His motive could be both mental dominance/control over you, and financial exploitation. A very toxic combination.

    It’s good you’ve explained to him why you don’t love him any more, but I agree with anita – there is no need to explain it further. You don’t need to justify your decision any more. You’ve made a good choice – finally your self-preservation instinct kicked in, and you saw how harmful he is to you. And you decided to run for the hills!

    If he starts getting nasty now that his love bombing tactics isn’t working – you may want to stay at the hotel if necessary. Or stay mostly in your room, minimize contact with him. Be cold and curt with him. The goal is not to expose yourself to his manipulation any more, so the less contact you have, the better.

    Also, remove him from your bank account, so he cannot take your cash. Don’t trust a word that he is saying, be very cunning and cautious with him. The less he knows about your plans, the better. Unfortunately he’s not a friend, so be wary of what you share with him.

    I’m focused entirely on moving forward and very much looking forward to the other side of this.

    Great to hear you’re so determined. I am rooting for you, and wishing you Godspeed in the next one month and beyond!

    in reply to: Feels like Time is passing too fast #411583
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    Dear SereneWolf/Addy/Saiyan,

    I am fine, thank you.

    I saw you started a new thread, under a different user name, and presented an additional problem there: of suffering from an imposter syndrome. So even if you’re doing good and are successful, you still believe you’re not good enough and that you’re a fraud. That can easily be a consequence of heavy criticism, high expectations and not being allowed to make mistakes in your childhood (e.g being criticized and scolded for getting even a single bad grade).

    It seems both of your parents had high expectations from you in terms of school success, and very low tolerance if you weren’t scoring all As. Not just your father was like that, as I thought, but your mother as well. You said on your new thread: Part of it was also from my mother. I was really scared of her like what she’d say? she’d be disappointed. And I was disappointed in myself too.

    In that environment, surrounded by such high expectations and such low tolerance for making a mistake, you put yourself (and were put by your parents) under a lot of pressure to perform. And you also adopted the belief that you’re not good enough if you’re not scoring all As all the time. Only total perfection would have been good enough, if that.

    Over time, you’ve developed the inner critic, telling you that you’re a failure and not good enough. And so now, even though you’re doing considerably well and have professional success, you still can’t believe that you’re actually good enough. You still believe you’re that sloppy, underperforming boy who failed to reach perfection and failed to please his parents. A part of you still sees you as a failure. And as such, every success must be accidental – it’s not really your merit. Because in your own eyes, you’re not good enough.

    That’s I think at the core of your imposter syndrome. And the way to treat is the same as treating your low self-esteem, perfectionism and other issues we’ve talked about so far. Change that internal talk, don’t listen to the inner critic, tell yourself kind, loving things. Tell yourself it’s okay to make mistakes. Tell yourself you’re good enough and worthy, even if you’ve made some mistakes in the past, and will still be making more mistakes in the future. We’re human, it’s in our nature to make mistakes.

    Your parents wanted you to be a superhuman, you were denied to make mistakes. Well, now give yourself that right and free yourself from the heavy burden of perfection. You’re a human, not a robot.

    I would like to note that on the other thread you said you don’t know how to journal, while here you said you spent 2 hours journaling yesterday. On the other thread you’re questioning whether therapy would help you, while here you said you’d probably try therapy next month.

    Please be honest, Addy/SereneWolf/Saiyan – mostly with yourself. If you don’t like the idea of therapy, because you believe you’d be judged, because you’re surrounded with people who believe that “only crazy and mentally unstable people need psychotherapy” – well, you can say this. I won’t judge you if you’re uncomfortable going to therapy. In fact, it’s good to know that you would probably feel judged by your parents and you don’t want that. So, fear of their judgment is present in you. Okay, notice it, admit it, write it down. There is more chance to resolve it if you first admit it to yourself.

    I did start spending time with my neighbor’s little kid. and oh boy It’s really fun. and funny enough I do feel kinda caring father towards him. I’m teaching him how to ride a bicycle and it did give me water in the corner of my eyes time to time.
    So does that counts?

    Nice to hear that! If you approach him with lots of love and patience, not scolding him for not getting it right immediately, then yes, it can be a wonderful experience for you – to experience how it is to have a loving, patient, empathic father, rather than a strict, angry and judgmental one. So yes, I think it’s helping your inner child too!

    I am glad you’ve watched both videos by Dr. Henry Cloud, and that you like the concept that anger is a signal, not a solution.

    As for empathy, you said:

    Important thing I realized that it makes them think you’re on their side and it builds trust and how much important communication style is… And also think how would I feel?

    Well, in fact, empathy is when you don’t pretend that you understand the other person’s point of view, but that you truly try to understand it and put yourself in their shoes. The way you phrased it (it makes them think you’re on their side) can be interpreted as if you’re not really on their side, but only pretend to be, so you can build trust. Just wanted to clarify this – in case there was a misunderstanding.

     

    in reply to: Going through a separation #411555
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    Dear Dan,

    I have a hard time getting angry, I don’t really ever get angry, I usually get sad and upset at myself.

    Yes, you’ve mentioned that before – that you never get angry, even with people who clearly abused you, such was your brother. Not getting angry at your abuser but instead, getting angry at yourself is a trauma response. That’s a typical reaction of a child who was abused and never protected. The child always, without exception, puts the blame on themselves. Unless there is a loving and compassionate adult who can help him process the trauma and put the blame and responsibility where it belongs: on the abuser.

    So please know that you not getting angry is the result of the unresolved childhood trauma. Anger in this case would be a natural self-defense mechanism, telling us that we are violated. Anger is necessary to protect ourselves.

    So I think it would be super important for you to see a therapist, preferably someone specialized in childhood sexual abuse, and process that trauma. During the healing process, you would be able to express anger at your abuser as well, which would help you not feel helpless anymore. Getting out of powerlessness and helplessness is key in healing trauma.

    I don’t think getting angry helps anyone or anything.

    Actually it does, as I’ve just explained. Because anger is a natural self-defense reaction. But it’s best if you deal with it in therapy, and get angry in a controlled, safe environment. Getting angry at your abuser (in a safe, therapeutic setting) can be extremely healing.

    Maybe I should ask her to meet in person so that I can get some closure. Although I know that I would probably lose my composure if I saw her.

    I don’t think it’s a good idea to meet her in person, because she’s already made up her mind. And as you say, you would probably start crying and begging her not to do it, and it would leave you even more hurt, even more inconsolable. I don’t think that anything good would come out of meeting in person.

    After she texted that she was filing, I haven’t responded. I’m not sure if I should or if I just stay silent. Maybe silence speaks more volumes.

    You don’t need to respond. I mean, whatever you say won’t change her mind anyway. She probably knows how hurt you are. So, if you don’t feel strong enough to respond, don’t. You don’t need to be polite with her. Sometimes indeed silence speaks volumes.

     

    in reply to: Going through a separation #411542
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    Dear Dan,

    I am very sorry. You were hoping all this time that she might decide to get back together some time in the future, but unfortunately it wasn’t what she was thinking. She was planning to file for divorce, as soon as the law permits it.

    I think it wasn’t fair that she didn’t let you know that she took you off of her health insurance – that you had to find it out in the pharmacy. I think it was sneaky. And then she used the opportunity to inform you she would be filing for divorce.

    It seems to me that she is using the same tactics now as she used during your marriage: hiding things from you, not wanting to talk to you honestly, planning for separation while keeping you in the dark…. And now, taking you off her health insurance without letting you know, and finally, planning to file for divorce without mentioning anything.

    It’s the same dishonest and sneaky tactics, Dan. It’s not how one would treat a friend (she claimed you were her best friend). I don’t know her reasons – maybe she is just so afraid to be honest and speak her truth, that she’d rather keep silent about it, and then do something “unexpected”, even shocking (such as announce that she wants a separation). But it was shocking only for you – because she was hiding her true feelings and intentions from you. It came as a shock because she wasn’t honest with you.

    And she kept doing it after your separation too. After that brief reunion, she again started hiding her true feelings and intentions, and she simply stopped communicating with you. Already in September she took you off her health insurance, but never told you. And even in the recent texts she exchanged with you, which you said were cold and impersonal, she still didn’t mention that piece of information. It’s like whatever is unpleasant and might hurt the other person – she does it in a sneaky way, behind your back. But that in fact hurts even more than if she were honest about it.

    I am saying this so you can see the reality of the situation. That she wasn’t such a wonderful and loving wife as you perceived her to be. Because a kind and loving person wouldn’t behave like that. They wouldn’t hide their true intentions and then suddenly “boom, I want a separation!”

    I am not saying she did this on purpose to hurt you, but nevertheless that’s what her behavior is: hurtful. It would be to anyone, not just to you.

    I lost it. I started bawling. I guess I should have expected this.

    I understand why it was a shock for you. Because she never told you that it’s over between the two of you, and that she is planning to file for divorce. After your separation she was telling you that maybe when the kids get older, you might get back together. Then she even initiated a reunion. All those were positive signs for you, which gave you hope. It’s true that in the recent months she stopped communicating with you, she didn’t congratulate you your birthday, and her recent texts were cold and impersonal. But still, she never told you her plans. She wasn’t honest with you. And so, no wonder it was a shock for you.

    I’m upset, devastated, sad.

    I hope you can see that she wasn’t playing fair. She wasn’t honest with you, she was hiding things from you. She did it the way it was easier for her: keep a pretense as long as possible, and then a sudden cut. What kind of partnership is it? What kind of friendship?

    I hope you can see that your loss isn’t such a huge one as you thought it was. That she wasn’t the dream woman, or your best friend. Neither did she consider your feelings in all of this.

    I hope you can see the reality – which although painful is also sobering. And that this will allow you to shake it off and move on with more determination than before.

     

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