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TeeParticipantHi Mr. Ritz,
That also should be true. This friend is one of the most relaxed mellow guys I know, but his wife is pretty intense. He may suppress some anger, but Iāve never seen him let it out.
Yes, it could be: if the guy is mellow and never stands up to his intense (probably angry, criticizing?) wife, it is likely that he has a lot of suppressed anger, which he isn’t allow to show. Maybe not even to himself. But the anger is building up and can cause high blood pressure, for example. Although you say he doesn’t have high blood pressure either, so that’s kind of curious.
In any case, I think it helps if we try to deal with those emotional blockages and let our emotions “flow” (best in therapy), because it might help prevent some of the physical symptoms too.
TeeParticipantDear Anna,
Iām recovering from a toxic relationship that led to me being broke and broken.
I am very sorry this happened to you. It’s tough. Would you like to share some more? You did say earlier that you were in a relationship with a narcissist. Has he manipulated you financially, so you ended up broke?
Iām also very confused when it comes to my career choice and future place to live and have this āmind-fogā. I feel Iām not myself as Iām usually joyful and open.
Being in a relationship with a narcissist can cause people to start questioning themselves, even having brain fog, because the narcissist undermines their self-confidence. The person doesn’t know what to think any more, they don’t trust themselves any more… Was that your experience too?
TeeParticipantP.S. Yes, I was feeling down because there is no progress with my healing. I am trying to stay optimistic, but it’s not always easy.
TeeParticipantDear SereneWolf,
I am so sorry about your cat, that’s such a horrible news š You were close to her and now she is gone… I am so sorry.
It’s good that you cried and allowed yourself to feel it all… Hold on, SereneWolf…
May 4, 2023 at 12:09 pm in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #418186
TeeParticipantDear Dafne,
you’re most welcome! I am happy you found my message comforting and that you started to look at your life from a new perspective.
Iāve spent past few days by myself. For the first time I didnāt run away from my own thoughts and feelings but just sat there and let myself feel everything.
Great! I am glad that you spent time self-reflecting, feeling your feelings and staying present with them…. that in itself is so healing, Dafne!
One of my biggest challenges is to make my own decisions. I am always afraid that I will hurt a person or that Iāve said or done the wrong thing. Thatās why I always ask for someoneās advice. I am afraid of rejection.
Tee, how do I brake that pattern and why there is so much fear behind any romantic decision (eg. replying a simple text message, talking on the phone or analysing my every move and regretting that I could do it better)?
When we were not loved properly, or only conditionally loved, we fear rejection. We believe it’s our fault that our parents rejected us (which is not true!), and we try everything in our power to be perfect (to say the perfect words, send the perfect text, do things perfectly…) – so we wouldn’t be rejected. I think your worrying about what you said or did is a part of that same attempt – trying to be perfect so that the person (your father) would finally love you and accept you.
You break this pattern by learning to love yourself more… We can talk about the methods how to do it, if you’d like to.
He thought of asking me for a drink but then decided not to as I am looking for something more serious. I told him that Iām also afraid of men as much as he is afraid of women but still would like to try and in the worst case we stay friends. His reply was that he thinks that I deserve someone special and that he doesnāt want to hurt me. It all seemed very honest.
Well, in the paragraph above he honestly told you his intentions: that he isn’t looking for anything serious. That’s why he didn’t reply to your text. He also told you that he doesn’t want to hurt you (by his selfishness) and that it’s better you find someone who can give you what you want. And he told you it’s not him.
He also told you he doesn’t want a relationship right now and doesn’t want to be seen with you in public:
It turns out he signed the divorce papers but doesnāt want any relationship right now and is not ready to go out.
However, you still wanted to keep communicating with him, probably hoping that he’d still want something serious, eventually, i.e. that he would change his mind, right? And so you invited him to an exhibition, to which he immediately invited you to his place. Since you said yes, he decided to try his luck again and get to you to have sex with him. So he texted you the same evening to come over to his place. He wasn’t interested in the exhibition, getting to know you etc. He tried to cut corners and get you to sleep with him – on that same night!
By the way, I am sure he wouldn’t have invited you to his place if his son was really asleep in the other room. That was a lie. Same as probably what he told you about divorce papers – this could have easily been a lie too. Because he still doesn’t want to be seen with you in public. So it could be that he is still very much married….
He was very disappointed and said that if I do not want to come to his place then he doesnt want to go to the exhibition.
Here is your proof – he is not interested in any exhibition. He only wants one thing…
I really would like to give him the chance but donāt know how. Shall I just call him and say that I will come on the weekend but earlier? At what point shall I tell him that I wonāt accept the casual sex but I can accept a bit of romantic closeness (say it in the car or when I get to his place)? How far is too far?
I understand that you want to give him a chance – it’s the little girl in you who would like to believe that the man she loves (her father) will eventually love her back…. That’s why you want to give this man a chance, even if he clearly told you that he’s not interested in a relationship, that he’s not interested in anything serious and that he doesn’t want to be seen with you in public.
Dear Dafne, this man can’t give you what you want, and he told you so. He doesn’t want to get to know you and see you as a person. He is the antithesis of what you really want… But the little girl in you would want him to be the fulfillment of her dreams… Please, stop contacting this man and focus on healing yourself and your inner child – on giving her what she really needs.
I wanted to see him but my fear was stronger. And my friend advised to go another time, but bit earlier and when the son is not there. Tee, what do you think of her advice? I thought it is better when his son is there as he might be more careful.
I am glad that your fear was stronger. This man would have hurt you. It’s good that you didn’t agree to go, but it wasn’t necessary to invent an excuse (such as that your car broke down). It is absolutely acceptable to say No to an invitation to a man’s place at 9:30 pm. You would have been in the same situation as last time, only now he might have been more insisting. And I am almost sure his son (if he has one) wasn’t sleeping in the other room…
And yes, youāre right, I want a man who sees more than a sex object in me. Someone who is interested in me as a person. Maybe it takes time Maybe he can open up slowly? Is there any way to know?
It’s good that you’re clear on what you want: someone who is interested in you as a person. This man unfortunately is not like that. He is the antithesis of that. I hope you can see that now…
I hope this wasn’t too much to hear, Dafne, but this is the truth. You deserve a man who will really see you and care about you. This guy isn’t that. You deserve so much better, and you can have it too. You just need to do some healing before, so you can stand up for yourself better and not be tricked by selfish men.
TeeParticipantHi Mr. Ritz,
That sounds pretty accurate.
Okay… so you’re aware that in your childhood you were not allowed to show emotions?
My wife on the other hand will show the emotions right away, where I donāt. I should feel it at the time, but I donāt.Ā I wasnāt sad, I was surprised but glad.
I guess you did feel sadness (or fear, or anger) as a child, but have learned not to feel it, because that was safer?
Unlike me, heās healthy, active, does not have high cholesterol or blood pressure and is not overweight.
Maybe thatās the scary part? It could happen to anyone anytime regardless of taking precautions?
Well, it can happen to anyone, however I believe there are still reasons. They don’t always have to be physical, such as high cholesterol, but there can be psychological reasons too, such as stress. And I believe that suppressing emotions can actually contribute to stress and cardiovascular problems… Anyway, I don’t think it’s that random. But that’s just my opinion, I tend to believe in the mind-body connection and a holistic view of disease…
TeeParticipantDear Jamie,
you are most welcome, glad I could help.
It honestly amazes me that they did not stopped at criticizing the other people from the destroyed online community, but pretty much everybody else in their lives, too. Now that Iāve actually stop and thought about it over these past couple of days, I realize that they were the type to complain about their own family members, neighbors, people they work or go to school with, and so on. To them, if youāre not also this moody badmouther who hates anything peaceful or joyful, then youāre someone worth criticizing, and⦠honestly, youāre right. It was toxic. It is toxic.
Yes, it does seem toxic. Because it seems the only thing these people ever did was criticize. They were chronic complainers.
And so no wonder that when you started feeling better about yourself (when I became happier and happier in general… as time went on and I slowly found my self-esteem rising as a result of personal healing), they started attacking you and criticizing you.
Because they didn’t want to do what you did: take responsibility for your own life and healing. They didn’t want that – they wanted to keep blaming the world and outer circumstances. You were a reminder to them that things could be different – if they make an effort. But they didn’t want to, and so they started blaming you.
You said one of them specially resented you because she felt you were more privileged, and so she was jealous of you. That’s really bad when people focus only on what they don’t have, instead of being grateful for what they do have (they felt they had nothing to have gratitude over).
But again, Iām happy we did not worked out ultimately because I donāt want to be as unhappy as they are.
Great! I am happy too that you didn’t make amends with them and agree to follow the “poor me” narrative and blame everyone else…
The thing that helped me most was visualizing myself being able to talk to my younger versions and being like a mother figure to them, since I essentially grew up without one around me (emotionally speaking).
Being a good, loving mother to your inner child is a great practice! If you’re doing that already, I don’t have anything special to recommend. I too grew up without an emotionally supportive mother, so giving my inner child the love and appreciation was what helped me a lot…
I wish I could have figured everything out by now, but sadly life is never that simple or always goes according to my personal timetable.
I get the feeling that you’re still quite young, so you couldn’t have possibly figured out everything by now š In fact, we learn till we’re alive, so…
I was once the fool one too many times with people who pretended to be wounded just so I could help them, and all so they could take advantage of me in other ways.
I see… you wanted to help people, and then they took advantage of you? Perhaps you were attracted to this toxic group too, because you felt sorry for them and wanted to help them (since they were complaining so much), but then they turned against you?
Iām still not sure on how to look out for predators like that, though I feel more protective of myself naturally now than back then, thankfully.
If you find yourself only giving and not receiving anything, or receiving just breadcrumbs in a relationship – that’s one of the red flags. We can talk more about it, if you’d like to. I am glad that you feel a bit more protective of yourself nowadays…
TeeParticipantHello Mr. Ritz,
I am glad your heart palpitations calmed down after taking medicine, and that you’re fine now. As for why you react with a delayed panic/anxiety attack upon hearing bad news… I don’t really know. It seems you get triggered by bad news related to not only your family members, but also friends experiencing sickness or personal hardships.
Sounds like Iām some type of empath that absorbs the problems of other people that I know? Why would I be so affected?
Hmm empaths do absorb other people’s emotions, but they are also aware of those emotions. For example, upon hearing the bad news, I think you would immediately start feeling bad, worried, anxious etc. However, you say that it’s not the case with you:
None of these events with friends and family were even on my mind! I didnāt consciously think about them at all after hearing the news, and they didnāt occur until later in the evening, hours after the news was delivered.
Since you weren’t consciously thinking/worrying about the other person’s problem, I don’t think you’re an empath. For you, the reaction came hours later, completely unconsciously, sort of “out of the blue”.
However, what could be happening (this is just an idea) is that you might be suppressing your emotional reactions (because you might have a belief that “boys don’t cry”, for example). And so those valid emotional reactions come out to the surface in form of an anxiety attack?
Maybe this is a stretch, so please disregard if it doesn’t apply. But in any case, it seems like something is triggered – something that is beyond your conscious awareness. One possibility why things are beyond our conscious awareness is that they were not allowed to be expressed, typically in our childhood (say we weren’t allowed to cry or show weakness), and so we have suppressed them.
May 4, 2023 at 5:08 am in reply to: How to distance from mother who doesnāt understand why #418172
TeeParticipantDear Saoirse,
you are very welcome! I wish you the best possible resolution of this dilemma. Let us know how it went, or if you need some more help.
TeeParticipantHi SereneWolf,
Providing financially is okay for me and Iām doing that. But itās also general like my father now donāt tell me things to do in certain way but still kinda pinpoint what others are doing and itās frustrate me a lot like why do you have to care what theyāre doing? Canāt you be satisfied once with what we have? Same with my grandfather whenever I call him.
I see… they’re not criticizing you directly, but comparing you to other people, and then you feel indirectly criticized and judged, right? Do you also feel it in their tone of voice – that they’re not pleased with you and expect you to do more?
For my mother sheās just still overly protective (I know thereās some fault of mine as well for this) She literally tells me to lock the door before sleep. Like mom I know Iām not a child anymore.
Well, that’s harmless, in my opinion. That’s what mothers do. What she used to do in the past – to plead with you to tolerate your father’s abuse – that was harmful. But this I think is harmless…
Right and you know I got another idea for this. Taking voice notes like as I said before when I was feeling frustrated after talking on call with my father, I take voice notes to let out that frustration, but my anger is I think nearly at tipping point so maybe I will confront things to him.
Yes, taking voice notes is a great idea too. Have you talked to your father in the meanwhile?
And yeah, I agree also since you mention addiction, I think itās also something which is wasting lot of my time. Iāve read more about CPTSD, and itās also mentioned that anorexia and Technology addiction could be the part of it and itās relatable for me. For me even though when not working itās not easy for me just not waste time on screen for no reason at all.
Yes, addiction is a very frequent consequence of C-PTSD. So you say you’re suffering from anorexia? I myself suffered both from anorexia and bulimia. We can talk more about it, if you’d like. I realized that for myself, anorexia was about rejecting nurturance, because my mother didn’t give me the proper kind of nurturance (emotional), but only physical food. And it wasn’t good enough. I needed to be loved and appreciated – feeding me and meeting my physical needs wasn’t enough (and my mother thought that’s the only thing a child needs).
No I canāt. because Iām supposed to be āExpertā in this. I talked to the people working on the same kind of projects and they are all telling me the same things that Iām already doing. Which is making me even more anxious⦠But Iām trying to ground myself by not getting attached to the results.
Oh I see… that’s frustrating when you’re trying everything, and it’s still not working :/ How is it now, any new developments?
TeeParticipant* a part of you feels relieved
TeeParticipantHi SereneWolf,
sorry for not replying earlier, I’ve been feeling slightly down due to my health.
So this defense mechanism is like still part of me or just something Iām using as a block for intimate relationships?
I think this defense mechanism (suppressing your emotions) is active both in your social interactions and in your intimate relationships. In social interactions, you mostly suppress anger and are trying to hide it, so that it doesn’t show. In your previous relationship (LDR) you were also trying to suppress anger at your girlfriend when she wouldn’t show up for a date, or when she wouldn’t follow your advice regarding a healthy lifestyle or similar. So you were suppressing your anger there too.
In this relationship you didn’t speak so much about getting angry, but it’s more like you didn’t show too much enthusiasm for her. You showed a certain detachment. So the emotion in this case was missing, rather than suppressed. I know a part of it is because you were still in the early phases of the relationship. But I think a part of your “coolness” is that you don’t actually allow yourself to get attached, because you’re afraid of getting hurt. There is a fear there, and that’s why this emotion (love, desire to connect and bond with someone) is missing. It is suppressed as well, but on a deeper level, I think.
Thank a lot for your encouragement. I did learn things from you so thanks to you as well.
You’re welcome!
So yeah, I do like her vulnerability and honesty. But I think her older emotions are still strong. And to be honest I totally understand her dilemma as well but I donāt want to be with someone who isnāt sure about me. So, when sheāll come back Iāll tell her No. Iām not worried about ending this relationship. Itāll take few days but Iāll be alright.
I know you’re not worried about ending the relationship. I mean a part of you feels revealed, right? š However, I think you should be honest with yourself and ask yourself: am I really upset that she is not sure about me, or am I using this as an excuse to take my leave? Because originally you weren’t upset about it, you told her to decide what she wants. But now you’re changing your attitude…
Please don’t get me wrong – you have absolutely every right to say No to her. And indeed, if she is hesitating, it’s not a good sign. But just be honest with yourself and examine what the real reason for rejecting her is.
I’ll reply to your second post in a separate post…
May 1, 2023 at 9:43 am in reply to: How to distance from mother who doesnāt understand why #418027
TeeParticipantDear Saoirse,
you are very welcome. As Roberta Said, you’re not obliged to anyone to keep in touch with your mother, and I think there is no point in meeting if you have such a strong reaction to her. Perhaps the best course of action is to take a time out – a pause in contact – until you’ve processed some of the childhood hurt and anger that you feel towards her. Your hurt and anger are totally justified, but if you leave them unhealed, they will be a burden for you and continue to contribute to your stress and anxiety.
As a mother myself I cannot in a billion years fathom how a woman could cause their own child to suffer
There is a saying “hurt people hurt people”. That’s how I came to understand my mother’s behavior. My mother was emotionally abused by her own mother, and she simply didn’t have it in her to give me love and affection. She was love-deprived herself. She couldn’t give me what she herself didn’t possess. That’s how I got to understand her and forgive her. But it doesn’t mean I’ll let her insult me and emotionally abuse me any more. I am keeping firm boundaries.
Anyway, maybe understanding that your mother was a hurt and deprived child herself can help you come to terms with her mistreatment? Furthermore, her mental illness incapacitated her to be a loving, caring mother. She probably didn’t even understand how she hurt you and your brother – even in her “sane” periods, when she was back from hospital.
Recently I feel like I am almost mourning the nurturing mother I never had, and so resentful of the one I do have.
It’s good you’re mourning the nurturing mother you never had. However, you can now make up for what you haven’t received as a child. You can give your inner child the love and care she never received from her mother. That’s called re-parenting.
I think the reason you’re so resentful is partly because you believe that you’re irreversibly damaged by the lack of your mother’s nurturance. But in reality, you are not. Your inner child can be reparented and this can change your emotional setup, so to speak. Those unmet emotional needs can be met now (you can do it either on your own or with the help of a therapist.)
I do agree that perhaps I need to learn how to deal with the way I react, rather than expect her to suddenly have a lightbulb moment (or to get OJ from a cow!) as this is realistically never going to happen.
Yes, it’s most likely not going to happen, unfortunately. But if you learn how to re-parent yourself, you won’t need her to have a lightbulb moment and finally become a mother you were always longing for. Your happiness and peace of mind won’t depend on her. And so, you’ll be less reactive to her, less triggered and less resentful.
But circumstances are different now and I guess thereās no harm writing another one. Itās just hard to know what I should suggest ā that we donāt see each other at all? That we only see each other when I feel strong enough? I donāt really know where to draw the line.
How about if you give yourself some time to process and heal, which will enable youĀ to see and feel the situation with greater clarity? Right now, you know you don’t want to continue like before, forcing yourself to go visit and feeling horrible anxiety. But you’re also not sure you want to cut contact completely. So maybe give yourself time to figure out what you really want.
You can write a letter telling her that you are working on your mental and emotional health and you need some time to work things through before you can proceed meeting with her. Or alternatively, you can tell her that as a part of your new self-care routine, you can only meet her in a park for the time being. In the letter, try not accusing her but state your own needs and preferences (and present requirements) calmly.
How does this sound?
P.S. I’ve just read Roberta’s latest post – that’s excellent wording for your potential letter!
May 1, 2023 at 1:02 am in reply to: How to distance from mother who doesnāt understand why #418010
TeeParticipantDear Saoirse,
you’ve suffered a lot as a child, exposed to a mentally ill mother. And you’re right, it can lead to a host of problems in adulthood, such as your anxiety. I understand that you would have liked if she had acknowledged the damage she’s done and apologized and made things right. But it seems she’s not willing or not capable of that.
My own mother isn’t mentally ill, but she too doesn’t want to admit that she did anything wrong while raising me. And boy she did – from persistent criticism of me to being chronically unhappy and bitter about life and blaming others for her problems. But she believes she was a good, sacrificial mother. I’ve tried to talk to her, but to no avail. She gets offended and blames me instead for being a horrible daughter. She refuses to take any responsibility for her actions and take a look in the mirror. She’d rather blame others.
After a while, I’ve given up trying. I don’t expect her any more to admit anything. I’ve realized she’ll never change. I’ve recently read a funny metaphor: “You cannot milk orange juice from a cow.” So there is no point in hoping to get orange juice from her — she’s not capable of that.
I think the first healing you’d need to do is to stop expecting her to be different, stop expecting her to give you what she isn’t capable of. And then you can decide what you want to do – whether you want to cut contact completely, or maintain a very superficial contact, where you visit her once or twice per year, and that’s it.
I understand you feel horrible in her presence, and that she triggers you a lot. And that’s I think partly because you haven’t healed your childhood trauma completely.
I was also triggered by my mother a lot, we would get into arguments, but now I can be “cool” around her. I don’t get triggered so easily. But that makes our contact very superficial, of course. I guard myself and keep my boundaries. I live in a different country and visit my parents once a year or so. And I hardly talk to her on the phone in the meanwhile. So I maintain contact, but it’s very superficial, because I can’t be honest and vulnerable with her – she would use it against me.
But anyway, my point is that I’m not triggered any more by her, because I don’t expect anything from her. That would be my advise for you too – to work towards that. And then, from that point of relative freedom – you can decide what you want to do in terms of allowing her to meet your daughter and under what conditions.
Of course, if she is verbally abusive or unsafe in any way towards you or your daughter, you shouldn’t keep contact. But if she can behave normally, then perhaps you can think about it. And of course, never leave your daughter alone with her, but only allow them to meet under your supervision. I’d keep those precautions in any case.
TeeParticipantDear Jamie,
So, I thank you for reminding this. To like myself is to then be able to learn how to be intimate with others in a way that is healthy, rather than trying to force something out of nothing, if that makes sense.
you’re welcome. It’s good that you’re aware of your people pleasing tendencies and are working on reducing them. Yes, we cannot really be intimate with others and have healthy friendships if we’re not authentic, if we try to mold ourselves into something we believe others want us to be.
The basis for healthy friendship is authenticity – showing up as you are, even if some people don’t like it. And the truth is that we can never be liked by everybody. Even the greatest people are hated by someone… and it’s not their fault, but the fault of those who are judging them unfairly.
It seems you ended up in this group of “friends” who were quite toxic. In the beginning you bonded over the common sentiment about the changes in the online community you belonged to. You shared that sentiment and joined the “rebel” group, so to speak. But as you say, this rebel group was all about gossiping and criticizing the people in the main group.
You said they didn’t have any interest in creating another online community that would meet their needs. And so all their energy went into criticism and crying about the “good old days” instead of creating something productive:
If losing the community was really that important to them, they would have figured out a way to create a new space for the old community to migrate to.
Theyāre not stupid people, they could have figured out a way to return to the good old days⦠They simply chose not to.
They were more attached to the identity of being helpless victims to circumstances, rather than doing something productive and positive.
There are people who are very good at criticizing and blaming others, but are not willing to take responsibility for their own happiness. As you say, this group behaved like helpless victims and focused all their energy on criticism and blame. Eventually, you became their target too… it reminds me of sorority groups or high-school groups, where they like to gossip the people outside of their clique. But as soon as a clique member leaves the room, they start gossiping them too. No one is spared (apart of maybe the group leader), because that’s the kind of vibe there…
I don’t know if that was the atmosphere in your group, but it does seem very toxic.
So, perhaps itās a good thing that I no longer communicate with them. I donāt want to be like them.
Yes, definitely! You don’t need to be liked by that kind of people. You can never please bitter, criticizing people. You don’t need them in your life.
My issue, then, is split into two new issues now: How do I learn to like myself?
Maybe your lack of self-love stems from your childhood, so you’d need to heal those wounds. Healing the inner child who feels unlovable or unworthy might be necessary. If you want more pointers on this, or you’d like to share a little bit about your childhood, I’ll be happy to talk about it.
And secondly, how do I reconcile with squishing the part of me that wants to people please, in a world that has become increasingly individualist and only caring about people who can be of use to others?
Our true self is loving and kind. And naturally, we want to be loving and kind to people. But not at the expense of our true, authentic self. We don’t need to be kind and loving to toxic people, to people who abuse us and put us down. Instead, we need to set boundaries with them. Likewise, we don’t need to be kind to selfish, self-centered people, who only care about themselves.
You can be kind and loving, but wisely, with boundaries. Because there are people out there who will appreciate your kindness, and so, you can open up to them. But at the same time, you need to protect yourself from those who want to take advantage of you.
Happy to talk to you more about all this… and Namaste to you too!
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