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ParticipantDear Katrine,
Oh I see ā so your former colleague wasn’t really a flirty type, he just called every woman baby because of his culture (perhaps he was Italian? š ). He was telling everybody in the office about you, but he never made a move. He called you princess, but he never asked you out on a date, although he was telling to your guy coworkers that he would…
Do you think it’s possible that he chickened out because you were a bit closed off and guarded?
I am asking because you say that you are very careful not to fall for someone too easily:
I usually spend 6 months analysizing everything to keep me from getting hurt, before I take a step forward. I need a lot of reassurance before I start believing that someone likes me
It takes a hella lot for me to attach myself to someone
I become very avoident to the people i am atracted to… I know now that itās not social anxiety but a fear of vulnerbility that triggers my anxiety, and a fear of rejection. Iām fine until it gets to close.
So maybe you acted a bit cold/guarded with him, and it discouraged him from making a move?
Based on what you said, it seems that in general, you’re very guarded around the guys you like and even pretend that you don’t like them (I become very avoident to the people i am atracted to). And this pretending can last for quite a long time, maybe even months (you said it takes around 6 months till you’re sure that the guy likes you).
If so, perhaps you’re sending the wrong message to the guy you like, and by the time you’re sure he likes you, he sort of loses interest?
This is just a speculation, Katrine. I am trying to understand why it so happens that a guy seems to like you, but doesn’t make a moveā¦.
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ParticipantDear SereneWolf,
Okay good, Be sure to update me.
Well, that was the initial check-up and I got some exercises to practice at home…Ā and then come back next week. So I’ve started doing those, and am hoping they’ll work…
Yes, thatās what Iām doing. With lot of communication even with my friends and teammates
Glad to hear you’re listening more and showing more empathy, before offering advice. And you’re right to apply it with your colleagues and friends too, not just your romantic interest…
And Today I had another therapy season. She said Iām doing lot better than she expected
Well, you’re working very diligently on your self, you’re very motivated, and that’s a positive side of being driven. What’s not so great is when you’re pushing yourself too hard, never being happy with yourself, judging yourself for not being good enough or fast enough. So, being motivated and driven: YES. But being like a drill sergeant to yourself: a big NO š
Yet she told me she feels like I still have rigid layer around my heart. Iām more sensitive but changing my root beliefs and believe and love myself in healthier will take some more time
Can she intuitively feel the energies? A rigid layer around your heart could be the defense mechanism we’ve talked about: your fear of being emotionally hurt, and that’s why closing your heart and fearing intimacy. Because intimacy requires that we be vulnerable with the other person, that we show our weaknesses, but also that we admit how much we care about and depend on the other. That we admit that they can hurt us. That’s vulnerability.
If we fear being hurt, we’ll close our heart, and we won’t allow anyone to get near. But we’ll also stay alone… So vulnerability is not a weakness, it’s actually a precondition for intimacy and happiness.
And she gave me good example of window glass. What happens when you throw rock at the window glass? Not just that injure the people inside. Rigid things break easily. So let it at ease. Let it feel things let it be softer
Yes, that’s also a good analogy. In my mind, this rigid layer around the heart is more like a metal shield – protects the heart from being hurt, but doesn’t let anything/anyone inside. In order to soften things up, you’d need to remove the shield at least partially…
Now thinking about your dynamic with girls, it could be that after the initial exuberance and vulnerability that you feel towards the girl (feeling very much in love, writing poems…), the fear comes up – the fear that you’ll be hurt. And so the shield goes up and you perhaps enter the drill sergeant mode, putting yourself in a superior position, trying to “improve” her… which helps you to feel less vulnerable. Because if you feel in charge and have the upper hand in the relationship, you feel she can’t hurt you as much?
I am just musing here…. let me know if any of this rings true?
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
Itās was from April ā Sept from he started working there. He was just a lot more extroverted and at times cocky.
Was he extroverted and cocky with you too in the beginning? Or he was always a little awkward with you?
In fact, now is the first time that I am having a picture of this guy being extroverted and cocky, i.e. of him being sort of a charmer (he is charming and flirts around⦠No nerves or anything.). So far I didn’t think he was so extremely self-confident around women, because you said that with you he was rather insecure, right? He told you that he too suffers from anxiety, and you thought that this is what you two have in common.
So it’s almost like two different personalities: one is extrovert, self-confident and even cocky, and the other anxious, awkward, insecureā¦. I am wondering – did he start behaving oddly around you only after you confessed that you like him? Or even before that?
As for the guy at your previous work place:
I was in a similar situation pre pandemic with a guy from work. He showed a lot of interest in me and only me, calling me princess and every other woman baby talking about me in a romantic sense to the guys at work etc. then after several months he got fired, he ghosted me shotly after. It left me heartbroken because where were the signs that he didnāt like me?
Right… well, if he called every woman baby, it shows a certain type of character ā possibly a flatterer. I mean, if someone is a little bit flirty with every woman, and then even more flirty with you, I wouldn’t trust them too much, because flirtation is just a part of their “spiel”.
So I don’t know, maybe he was like that, but you liked it that he gave you a lot of attention and spoke to you nicely, and didn’t notice the red flags, such as him being “charming” with everybody?
January 18, 2023 at 1:28 am in reply to: 26 year old single male & would like advice to improve myself #414030Tee
ParticipantDear Daniel,
I think I understand now…. you’re feeling pressure from your overly caring parents, and you feel that if you don’t check that major box (of getting married within the “acceptable” time frame), they’ll be disappointed in you. You’ve checked all their other boxes, but this one you’re having a hard time with…
It seems your parents’ love is conditional – they love you and accept you if you live according to their expectations. But if not, they start worrying about you, maybe they subtly criticize you, compare you to your cousins and friends, and it makes you feel that “if I donāt get all this sorted by a certain age or at the same time as my cousins/friends then I am letting my parents down or my family down.”
In other words, you feel that if you don’t meet their expectations, you’re letting them down. You feel like a disappointment, right?
I guess you would need to tell yourself that you are not a disappointment, even if you live according to your own timetable and follow your own dreams and desires.
You mentioned that girls don’t feel the spark with you. Maybe it’s because you don’t feel that spark either? If we try to live according to other people’s expectations, and tick all their boxes, it usually dims our spark… because the spark is our individuality, our unique essence, and it needs to be free to express itself…
Tell me what you think, does this ring true?
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
This was the thing i feared not being with him is bad enough but knowing that this girl is getting what i want is the worst.
I can imagine it feels bad… but try to remind yourself that you don’t really want what this guy has to offer. He can’t give you true love, caring, appreciation…. in short, he can’t give you a healthy and stable relationship. He is still fighting his own demons, so he has very little love to give.
I gonna try not to expect things from him, he been weird around me almost the entire time weāve known each other he wont change around me now. Thereās clearly something that makes him react like this only he knows the real reason why.
Yes, he has been weird. You’ve been trying to figure it out, and I too was coming up with all kinds of explanations. But at the end of the day, we don’t know why he has behaved like that and what’s in his head. Only he knows that. The only thing you can do is to let go, even to let go of trying to understand. Again, it’s important that you know it’s not your fault and not your responsibility.
It hurts and I know this will take time, Iām counting down to him leaving then it will be a lot easier.
I was thinking about you and what seems specially hurtful is that he was indeed showing interest in you during July-Sept. He was treating you differently than other girls, and it wasn’t all in your head. And then, when you finally approached him, he denied that he was interested and said “sorry, I don’t see you that way”.
So in a sense, he denied your reality ā something that you’ve already experienced with your sister and parents. And not only that, but during those 2 months that he was showing interest, you hopes went up, you got more and more attached, and when he denied it all, no wonder it hurt so much.
So I just want to say that I understand how hard this is for you… Please know that none of it is your fault, and that you didn’t do anything wrong.
I hope you can stay away from him as much as possible and that over time, you’ll be less and less affected by him.
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ParticipantDear SereneWolf,
For Sure. When you want to start physical therapy?
Tomorrow is my first appointment…
I think I realize now that the way I require freedom my partner will require freedom too and by pushing and kind of controlling is not the way. It wouldnāt make her feel safe and thus sheād try to pretend something⦠Am I right?
Sure, and also, if you constantly feel the need to “improve” the person, pushing her to do this or that, she might feel she’s not good enough for you. She might feel criticized and judged, like she’s is with a strict parent, not an equal partner. So yes, more empathy and less control is key…
Haha short but on point video. Iām definitely appreciating listening/empathizing.
Good! So if she complains about something, first listen and empathize. Only then offer advice š
Okay so this might be the also reason that I feel behind sometimes. My family and friends do expect me get married and be settled ASAP. (Not forcing but still)
Lot of my friends who are even younger than already got married and some have kids as well. Because here getting married in your late 20s considered lot more normal and safer.I see, that’s societal/cultural pressure. But keep in mind that you like to walk your own path, so don’t be swayed by those external pressures. Do what feels right to you.
But I know well that Iām not ready for marriage. I still have my goals to accomplish. And I started to believe in slow love as well. Guess Iām still hopeless romantic!
Absolutely – if you feel you’re not ready for marriage, don’t do it. And yes, don’t settle for someone just because others are telling you it’s time to settle.
Yes thatās exactly what Iāve decided!
Great! I am rooting for you!
Well as of now I think sheās not rushing to settle down but I guess there might be fewer common interests. Iām guessing because sheās not minimalistic like me, likes noisy places, Extrovert. But sheās outgoing and upright honest about things which I liked about her. Also sheās not that much tall but Iāll manage. Okay Iām hard to please I know but maybe Iāll find other good qualities?
Well, you’ll see. You’ll need to spend some time together to see how she is in person. But don’t judge her by how tall she is or other physical features – her character and personality are much more important!
January 17, 2023 at 4:18 am in reply to: 26 year old single male & would like advice to improve myself #413953Tee
ParticipantDear Daniel,
you seem like someone with very high self-awareness, as well as sensitivity. And I think it’s actually to your benefit that you’re also an emotionally aware person, with empathy and an ability to listen (I am not weak when I say emotionally in tune, what I mean is I am not afraid to show interest/express a feeling/listen to others/help those in need because I care.)
I also believe it is to your benefit that you’re genuine, that you don’t play games and are wearing your heart on your sleeve. All those are qualities that women like and prefer, so I find it very unlikely that it is something that would repel them on the long-run (But I am starting to feel that this emotionally in tune side of me is weak to women or it doesnāt help ignite sparks or create attraction in me.)
What I am noticing instead is that you say you have a very supportive family:
I am in at a personal level thanks to the support/upbringing of my family & friends
stable career/family life
And at the same time, you say that your anxiety stems from your parents:
I think I have always had a degree of anxiety coming from my parents as they can be stress heads
Have they changed in the meanwhile and now they are very accepting and supportive of you?
I grew up around a very āalpha maleā type of group and within sporting environments where sort of oneupmanship was a theme and a āboys clubā type of vibe.
Have you experienced oneupmanship and “boys club” vibe only in the sport clubs that you were a member of? Or perhaps your father is also an alpha male, and you’ve experienced it at home too?
I am asking because it seems to me that a part of you might be too blended with your family, even if there might be some issues still unresolved between you?
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
I am sorry about this new development and that it causes you so much pain. I say it’s for your own good that this guy rejected you – because I still believe he’s a very troubled person, unable to be in a healthy relationship. I know that reason is one thing, emotions are another, so it’s hard for you to not feel hurt. But at least, know that he is not a catch (except that he is good looking and knows how to charm women away) and that you wouldn’t be happy with someone who has alcohol and drug problems.
Well people called him a player because he would get super drunk and then fool around with women only to not want more from them but players donāt need alcohol to be wuth women. My colleague who just told that he and that girl are a thing goes out with him and x and y and she says he is charming and flirts around. Like her behaviour today gave it away but he was treating her the same way he acts around any other women, No nerves or anything.
Well, it seems he can be charming and flirting around both when he is drunk and when he isn’t. I don’t know if he is a player, who likes to see women fall for his charm but then reject them. Or he is a “clueless Adonis”, who is simply a magnet for women, but his intention is not to mislead them and make them fall for him.
As for his treatment of you, I am not sure but it seems to me that he did mislead you, because he showed interest in you, and then he backed off. And later, he had the nerve to stand near you at the office party, and not utter a word. It can’t be said he was clueless about his effect on you (he knew you had a crush on him), and yet, there he was, standing near you. I didn’t like that behavior and I told you so already. It felt manipulative.
This tells me that he indeed might be a player, i.e. that he has the need for girls to like him and desire him, but he doesn’t have an intention to be with them. I am not claiming this, since this guy is hard to read, but based on this incident, it could be the case.
Whatever it is, I am glad that he actually said No to you, because you would have been hurt. I know it hurts you now too, but you might have been much more hurt if you entered the relationship with him. I am almost sure about that…
Iyou are right. I take on too much resposibility for other people emotions and him being weird around me and if they are gonna be a couple then he should talk to me like a friend.
Yes, you’re not responsible for other people’s emotions. But also, don’t expect that he should talk to you like a friend. You can’t force him to talk to you like a friend if he for some reason feels anxious around you. So allow him to feel awkward around you. His awkwardness doesn’t say anything about you – it only says things about him. So if I were you, I wouldn’t expect anything from him.
Instead, I’d try to spend as little time as possible in his vicinity. Perhaps you can work in the opposite shift from him? If you end up getting triggered around him – specially now that he’s messing with this girl – the best would be to limit your exposure to him.
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
It happened when he was talking to me.
Okay, so he tends to forget people’s names when talking to you. At the yoga date, when he was leading a yoga session, you said he could hardly remember some words, such as body parts. You even suspected he was on something… What could be the reason he forgets words around you is that his anxiety goes up when around you – because he likes you.
He might indeed experience discomfort because he isn’t neutral towards you. But at the same time, he didn’t want a relationship with you, which would indicate that he is highly conflicted and confused. Or he fears relationship tremendously.
In fact, during the last 9 months since he’s been working at the hostel, and having met dozens of pretty girls, I guess – he hasn’t started dating any of them. If he is cute and popular with women, I don’t see any reason he wouldn’t date – unless he is afraid of a relationship. And that might be the main reason why he rejected you – even though he might like you.
Of course, that’s just a speculation. We don’t know why he rejected you, but it’s a possibility, considering everything you wrote about him and his behavior.
A little bit. It feels like i overstepped a boundary but I know i didnāt i become very avoident when i like someone so i know i didnāt.
You didn’t overstep a boundary – he had been showing consistent interest in you, and so you just sped things up. It was totally legitimate.
The fact that he is feeling anxious around you is not your fault whatsoever. If he likes you (but fears relationship), it’s his problem. If he doesn’t like you, but feels weird knowing that you like him – it’s again his problem, not yours. Because each of us is responsible for our feelings, so he needs to be able to self-regulate. It’s not your responsibility to regulate his feelings.
So please, Katrine, you have absolutely no responsibility for his feelings. You haven’t hurt him or done anything wrong to him – you only expressed your interest, after he had been showing interest in you for at least a couple of months prior.
Blaming yourself for things you’re absolutely not responsible for is very likely the legacy of your relationship with your sister and parents, who all blamed you for things you haven’t done. Specially your sister and father blamed you (and are still blaming you). The blame and guilt-tripping that you received from them became internalized, and now it is you who is blamingĀ yourself for things that are absolutely not your fault.
How do you feel about this? Does it seem plausible?
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ParticipantDear SereneWolf,
I hope youāll be alright and may you able to create the healing energy for your own self.
thank you for your good wishes. I hope that healing energies will come both from within and without, as I start physical therapy š
Yes you analysed it right. I was projecting my things on her. Which wasnāt healthy. But I believe I did learn some compassion from her. She was trying for that but I wasnāt listening and just blindly driven
Good that you’re aware of it now – that you were pushing her the same way you were pushing yourself to do more and better. So that’s one big lesson for your next relationship.
I also remember that you said you didn’t like her complaining, and so you offered various solutions to fix the problem. But probably you lacked one key step: showing empathy for her problems. Instead, you rushed to solutions immediately. There is a funny video about that, where this is taken to the extreme. It’s on youtube, titled “It’s not about the nail”, by Jason Headley”. Talks exactly about fixing vs just listening/empathizing…
I want to get married. I know that because I love kids. But if I get married now I do fear loss of freedom and itās just that I just have lot to do, still lot to see in this world, lot to accomplish.
That’s fine, you don’t need to get married right away. You can find someone who, like you, isn’t rushing to get married, but wants to enjoy life, travel, perhaps accomplish some professional/career goals first… There are girls like that out there, not everyone wants to get married and have children right away.
You’d need to look for a compatible person, with similar goals and values, and also similar interests. She doesn’t have to like everything that you do, but there should be at least some compatibility, e.g. being an outdoors person, or loving adventure, or whatever is important to you. You can have a committed relationship with such a person, and yet, it wouldn’t require you to give up on some of your career or other life goals.
As per my situation 2 of my friends suggested me that. And itās definitely new for me because I havenāt tried that before I know itās really complex thing to do.
Well, guys like to suggest such things, but you said it yourself that it wouldn’t be fulfilling and it could indeed hurt you. It’s not even your style, and I know that if we force ourselves to do something that go against our principles, it’s never a good thing and we always get burned.
Is there something in between relationship middle of casual and committed?
AsĀ I said, you can have a committed relationship with a compatible person, in which you feel free to be yourself and aren’t afraid of losing your freedom or giving up on some really important goals. I am not saying it’s easy to find such a person, butĀ it’s possible. What I am sure is that settling for casual relationships won’t help you find such a person…
I believe in safe sex or even being tasted first, so rare to none chance for STD
Good that you’re cautious!
Because one of the girl texted me to spend this weekend with her. To be honest at first, I was really tempted. But I do want to taking things slow and step by step as you said⦠So I told her for next week and maybe Iāll meet and see how things goes from there
Yes, you can try it and see if she is compatible to you, e.g. if she isn’t rushing to settle down but is more relaxed about it. Or if there are common interests that you can both enjoy in your free time. Or if she seems genuine, not pretending…
And yeah, Iām working on my compassion and empathy as well
Good to hear! Keep up the good work! š
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
He doesnāt use other peopleās names when he greets them just me.
You said he forgot the name of some people whom he worked with, including Y. Did it happen in a conversation with you that he couldn’t remember the names of those people?
And not only is it hard because I feel excluded but also a people pleaser always making sure people around me were happy, the mere thought that Iām just plain cuasing him discomfort is really really hard.
Are you saying that you feel guilty that he feels discomfort around you? Are you blaming yourself that he isn’t so relaxed around you like he is around other girls?
I feel very defeated in my love life. What I want the most is a partner and I have only had two months of that in my life, and so much heartache. Itās such a rollercoaster for me and a lot of mental energy for me.
I hear you, Katrine. I know it’s hard. But I also know that as you continue on your healing journey and start loving yourself more and more, you will be attracted to emotionally healthier people, people who will be able to return your love. And being in love won’t feel so exhausting and defeating any more. Trust me, Katrine, that time will come.
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ParticipantDear SereneWolf,
yes I’ve been to the doctor. I’ll have to go to physical therapy and hopefully that should help… it’s not that simple, but I am hoping that physical therapy will relieve the symptoms.
Yes I strongly believing in creating in my own path instead of walking on others path that theyāve created. doesnāt matter how great they were
Good! Excellent approach!
But Iām telling you, you can try with very small things first. Maybe it would be helpful for your anxiety.
In fact, I am trying do something that makes me very anxious with respect to my career. But still, I want to try…
Yes but it doesnāt mean like It was only pretending and nothing else. Thing is that she had some expectations from me, Which indeed wasnāt wrong. She was insecure soā¦
And in my previous relationship I didnāt pretend anything and mostly said how it is and maybe sometimes brutally honest which I guess may have hurt her in some way as well but yeah.Good that you haven’t pretended that much in your 2nd relationship. But you’ve mentioned that she saw you as quite critical, pushing her to do things quicker and faster (perhaps similar to how you’ve been pushing yourself?). And you were impatient because she wasn’t following your suggestions? Perhaps in your “brutal honesty”, you were lacking compassion? Again, lack of compassion for both yourself and for her as well?
Hmm I think thatās super helpful. Thanks! This would be really helpful for me on how much should I open up in relationships
You’re welcome! Yes, take is slowly, step by step, and see what response you’re getting…
Yes I got your point. I have to work on this first. And I believe for my pattern there was mainly fear of commitment involved as well. But what Iām saying is that if itās my fear of commitment then Iām not even looking for a commitment. Iām not that much old to look for a commitment either.
I got you. You fear commitment… do you think it’s because you never want to getĀ married (because it seems like a burden, loss of freedom, or something similar), or you don’t want to get stuck with someone who’s not right for you?
Another thing is that there are probably woman like me whoās also have fear of commitment as well.. Then instead of just focusing on fear (Which I have to I know, and it does take time) why not just go with the flow and learn that way?
So you want to be in a non-committed, casual relationship with someone who is afraid of commitment like you are? Someone who won’t force you to commit, but will just enjoy the time spent together but not want deeper (emotional) intimacy?
I mean, you can do that, I am sure, but how fulfilling will it be? And what will you learn that way? In my opinion, getting into casual relationships can cause more trouble than good, so I wouldn’t use it for learning. Because it may come with a price, of being heart-broken, or even getting an STD (sorry for being “brutally honest”).
So I wouldn’t take that route, but would rather take the lessons you’ve learned so far, and try to do it differently next time: take things slow, step by step. Open up with one vulnerable thing, and see how she reacts. Be more compassionate both toward yourself and towards her… So, apply the things that we’ve talked about already.
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
I am glad to hear that X and Y weren’t high the entire time during your New Year Eve’s get-together, and that you could enjoy their usual, friendly selves (not their “party selves”).
And now seeing him talk so effordless with any woman at work, but not me.
When he talks to other girls, he doesn’t forget their names (or other people’s names)? Does he have memory problems only when talking to you?
Like i didnāt get friend zoned i got kicked out of the friend zone. And he keeps calling me by Nick name to me thatās what you do with friends, To me thatās like messing with my head.
Well, I can actually understand why he has a hard time being friends and being totally cool and relaxed with you ā since there-s more than just friendship there. He knows for sure that you like him, and maybe he likes you too or is confused about how he’s feeling. And so there might be more than friendship on his part too. So he cannot be friends when other vibes are involved too. That’s pretty common, in fact.
he nearly got fired back in August so it is making life hard on him. He has a lot of issues, he lost 4 kilos in just one week, the drinking sometimes gets High, anxiety,
You said he’s drinking and partying a lot, sometimes all day long, without getting any sleep, or getting only 2 hours of sleep. Perhaps that’s the reason he lost 4 kg in one week? Not some serious illness, but him living a messy, self-destructive life?
Even if he’s suffering from anxiety and trauma, it doesn’t mean he needs to medicate himself with alcohol and drugs. That’s his choice, and this choice ā to get regularly drunk and high ā affects his mental health, as well as his capacity to love and be in a healthy relationship. He is ruining himself, making it harder for himself to get better and heal.
You’re angry at him for not treating you properly, or for sending you mixed signalsā¦. But he is so confused and erratic that he cannot treat you better in his current state of mind. He cannot even love himself and care about himself, not to mention care about how he treats other people. At least that’s how I see it.
That’s why I think that you’re expecting too much of him. You’re expecting a decent behavior from someone who is so deeply troubled and confused. And then you take it a step further and conclude that it is YOU who is to blame:
i should be proud of trying something outside my comfort zone (yoga session) but I didnāt expect it to be this hard and now i kinda regeret doing it. I feel like i donāt even wanna try and go out and meet someone else, i just had too much heart ache, maybe i am just suposed to just be alone.
You’re making conclusions based on the failure with this troubled guy ā someone who has a lot of issues and is unwilling to help himself. Frankly, you’ve chosen an impossible guy to love, and because he doesn’t reciprocate, you conclude that no one will, and that you might as well quit trying.
Can you see how false that reasoning is? Instead of concluding that the guy has a problem, you conclude that you have a problem, and that you have no chance whatsoever of finding someone who could reciprocate your love. Which is so so far fromĀ the truth. The truth is that this specific guy cannot reciprocate your love – but it doesn’t say anything about you, or other guys!
Please, dear Katrine, don’t blame yourself for something which isn’t your fault! In recent times you’ve learned not to blame yourself, even if your sister is blaming you. Now try to expand that to this guy too: don’t blame yourself and don’t make false conclusions about yourself just because this guy isn’t returning your love. Rather, let go of him and start looking elsewhere!
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ParticipantDear Hello,
I am glad the move went well and that you’re slowly settling in. Also, that you had help with the move and getting things in order at your new place.
As my daughters and I get into a routine, we are all realizing just how much more freedom we have to do things. He monopolized almost every aspect of my life, down to when I showered at night.
That sounds like he had you under complete control! I can imagine what a relief it is to be free now, without worrying he might criticize your every move.
Iāve been educating myself most days as well on recovering from being in a relationship with a NPD spouse. I can tell that I have suffered trauma emotionally and will take time to acknowledge this and let that heal.
I can imagine it was a traumatic experience, and you need to process it still. So far, you were in a sort of emergency mode, solely focused on moving out, which you’ve completed with an amazing speed and very successfully! But as things begin to settle down, you’ll have more time to think about it all, and it’s normal that those thoughts and feelings will come up – of the emotional abuse and suffering that you were exposed to. That’s all very painful and it will take time to heal.
Iām going to give it a few months, but I suspect I might need to see a therapist for a few months to sort through my experience.
Yes, I think it’s a good idea. You were under a terrible pressure these past 4 years, being constantly criticized, controlled, manipulated… it took a toll for sure, and you’ll need to decompress, so to speak. It’s no small thing having being subject to narcissistic abuse… It’s wonderful that you’ve freed yourself from it, but now you’ll need to take the stress out of your system and be truly free from it mentally and emotionally too.
I am rooting for you, and I am confident you’ll succeed to heal completely!
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ParticipantDear SereneWolf,
I am a little better and a little more optimistic, thank you for asking. Having a doctor appointment tomorrow, so we’ll see…
My fav scene is when Uncle Iroh says to his nephew āITāS TIME FOR YOU TO LOOK INWARD AND START ASKING YOURSELF THE BIG QUESTION: WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT DO YOU WANT?ā because his Nephew wanted a validation and respect from his father (Fire Lord) so he thought The mission his father gave itās his destiny, and he was working so hard towards it. So thatās why Uncle Iroh also tells him āTHERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH A LIFE OF PEACE AND PROSPERITY.ā
He did tell him some wise things indeed. I guess his words – to find out who you are and follow your own path – are an inspiration to you too?
I think little risk taking is good for that adrenaline to go on sometimes. Just to makes me feel more alive. Climbing frozen waterfalls?? Well that does sound tricky. Have you tried anything like that before?
Haha, no way. I am anxious person, with plenty of adrenaline and cortisol in my system, so no need to feel more alive by scaring myself to death š
I wouldnāt say 100% safe. Because I did had trust issues and I wouldnāt just open up to anyone. So it was like being comfortable as the time goes. But in my first relationship I did feel like I had to pretend the strong and understanding type in every way possible.
So in your first relationship, you were pretending to be perfect, and she was pretending that she likes all the things you do, so you would like her better? I mean, that’s what I’ve gleaned from what you’ve shared about her.
If so, it seems both of you were pretending…. and eventually you broke it off. So perhaps it can be a lesson for you: that if you pretend, or both of you pretend to be something you’re not, it doesn’t end well, and it’s not even attractive to you. That honesty and authenticity is much better, even if it might feel scary at first.
But being totally yourself in the starting is even possible? You know what I mean? Itās just not easy to describe
Well, you don’t need to tell her all your deepest secrets on your first date. You need to take it slow and see how she responds to something honest and vulnerable (i.e. less than perfect) that you share about yourself. If she doesn’t like you being honest, or she cannot really empathize with you, that’s a big red flag. But if she can, and she is also sharing about herself, and there’s a mutual understanding (rather than criticism, mocking, feeling superior or inferior to the other…) – that’s a very good sign.
But like what could be other options available for me? I mean for experimentation like without being with someone how can I work on fear of intimacy?
You’ve already had several failed relationships, so you know your patterns. Perhaps you’re also aware of what contributed to the breakup, and even what is your responsibility in it? If you know your patterns and your fears, you could talk about it in therapy and try to work on it, rather than take those same patterns and fears into a new relationship.
I’ve just watched a video by Henry Cloud, where he said: “What’s going to be new and different this time other than you wanting it to be new and different?” I think it can be applied it to relationships too: If you haven’t worked on those fears, or false beliefs or whatever – what is going to be different in your next relationship, other than you wanting it to be different? You know what I mean?
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