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ParticipantDear Katrine,
Yeah I think so too. Heās only hanging out with girls from work never the boys, or even just a mix. First it was X and Y and the partying (that he keeps saying that he will stop with) now itās the young girls and drinking. I can see the weirdness and anxiety in him goes away and heās confident.
Oh I didn’t know that he’s hanging out only with girls. Yeah, in that case it does seem like he needs female company to boost his ego. Almost like he needs to be liked and desired by girls to feel good about himself (you said that being in female company makes him self-confident and less anxious). That’s why he is probably flirting a lot – because he needs all that attention and interest from girls.
And with you, it seems that even if he doesn’t want to date you, he still has the need to “keep you interested” by playing those games. Now that I think about it, it could be that he is sending you strange vibes not because he has feelings for you and is conflicted, but because he has the need to keep the woman interested, even if he is not interested in her. Because that gives a boost to his ego. I am sorry if it hurts you to hear this, and I am not even sure if it’s true, but based on everything you’ve shared about him so far, it seems quite likely to me, unfortunately.
Itās stille not easy to see, but I have been reacting eay less than before. I donāt know if heās still going to travel abroad or if heās changed his mind. Hope he does leave cuz itās hard to move on from something that you are constanly confronted with.
I am glad you’re less and less reactive to him! And that even if he stays, he won’t be such a challenge for you in the future.
The day we went to the gallery I got a bit nervous around, not knowing what to say. It felt a bit date like and a very good day.
Did you have butterflies in your stomach? Because if so, it’s a good sign for you, isn’t it?
Today I was supposed to see him at work but he left shortly after saying heās not sure he will come back to work here again because of the head chef. He said he needs some rest and time to think which I completely understand and he knows I am here when heās ready to talk about it.
So the head chef still hasn’t been fired? I am sorry your guy is feeling bad about it. No wonder he is considering leaving if nothing changes. But if he decides to leave his job, I hope you two will still stay in touch!
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ParticipantDear Anil,
I feel so guilty and ashamed because I confessed to a married woman and it made our friendship awkward.
First, don’t feel guilty because although she wasn’t officially divorced, she was separated from her husband. She even had a boyfriend after her separation, with whom she broke up. All that happened before you even met her:
she was separated from her husband (she was a victim of domestic abuse, so she left her husband but never divorced him). She had a boyfriend after moving away from her husband and they broke up soon (This happened before I met her)
So when you met her, she wasn’t in a relationship with anybody, so you weren’t trying to steal her away from anyone. You confessed your feelings, because you fell in love with her, and you didn’t make any mistake by doing that.
Where you probably made a mistake is that you couldn’t accept her rejection and you did something that hurt her:
I fell so hard for her and I confessed to her after 6 months, she denied it politely. I couldnāt accept the rejection and avoided her on purpose because I know I would end up getting hurt again and would hurt her in the process of making her love me back.
After my confession, I just couldnāt bear the pain and I became so toxic towards both of them and hurt them both. I stopped talking to them or meeting them anymore.
May I ask what have you done to hurt her? Did you just avoid her (and that male friend of yours), or there was something else you’ve done, which you think is toxic behavior?
You say you had a similar experience with another woman 7 years ago. She too rejected you but you couldn’t accept it, so you say you ended up hurting her:
A part of me wanted her but I know it couldnāt happen no matter how hard I tried, I ended up hurting the woman I loved and myself.
How have you hurt her?
I have been running around in circles looking for love or approval, but it never happens. … I would like to know what can I do now to make my life and people around me better.
It seems there’s been a pattern of unrequited love: you loving someone and yearning for their love, but them not loving you back. We have such deep yearning usually when we don’t really love ourselves, and we believe we need someone to fulfill us. To give us the love we desperately need. It’s very likely related to your childhood and perhaps feeling unlovable?
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ParticipantDear Eriads,
His issue is that the two of them have never really ābonded … Itās true that she does sometimes avoid him because sheās shy and she really doesnāt see him as anything more than my husband.
B also thinks itās rude that she will sometimes come and go and not say āhiā to him or engage in conversation.
If your daughter sometimes avoids your husband and doesn’t want to say hi, it tells me she does feel certain resentment towards him. But the question is what is the cause of this resentment? There can be plenty. Just an example (I am mentioning this not knowing any of your background), it can be that she resents you for remarrying, it can be that her father doesn’t like that you remarried and she solidarizes with him. Or maybe she feels a certain pressure from your husband to be friendly with him, which she doesn’t like.
Also, the fact that the two of them never really bonded can be due to multiple reasons. Maybe it’s because you started dating him 3 years ago, which is at the beginning of covid, so you couldn’t really travel and spend fun time together? Or she lived with her father during covid? Or your husband prefers certain activities during leisure time, which your daughter doesn’t like? Again, there can be a number of reasons.
I think you should think about the possible reasons for your daughter’s distance and resentment, because that will give you the clue about how to deal with it. It could be a combination of more factors. It could also be that your husband is too sensitive and has too high expectations, so he kind of exacerbates the problem instead of acting like an adult (as you pointed out too) to seek resolution?
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ParticipantDear SereneWolf,
I told you about my CEN (Childhood Emotional Neglect) Right?
Yes, you have. I’ve mentioned the inner child healing again, because it seems to me like we might be getting closer to understand the key wound of your inner child, which is lack of self-esteem and the fear of being judged. If deep down you still believe you’re not good enough, or not worthy enough, then this might be why you don’t want to be “seen”.
Ohh I see. So just enduring silently could be pretty damaging as well.
Very much so! In the Bible, it’s called the sin of omission – the failure to do something which was right and necessary. For me as a child, my father’s silence was very damaging, because I had no one to defend me. So in my mind, it meant that my mother’s judgments of me were true and that indeed, there is something terribly wrong with me.
What a great way to explain! I agree with that. But like what does it mean to let them see into us? Does it mean let them know what weāre thinking without judging, without fear of criticizing, and also being vulnerable or something more?
All of the above. Also, share your hopes and dreams without fear of being ridiculed, for example. Let them know if something hurts you (rather than giving them silent treatment). Let them know if you’re worried about something, discuss your feelings, rather than stuffing them and pretending that everything is okay. Let them know what you need from them, rather than expecting they should read your mind.
Yes maybe this inner feeling not being worthy is damaging me for so long that I lost track of my own self.
Right! One step at a timeWell, you’ve got a strong inner critic, which so far you were mostly aware related to your career (e.g. you were scolding yourself for not doing enough work, or for lagging behind in your career goals, etc). So, the inner critic was quite obvious in your career, and you’ve been doing some important things recently to lessen his impact: you’ve learned how to have more self-compassion and stop pushing yourself to do more and faster all the time (i.e. you’ve lessened the impact of the “drill sergeant”). You’ve lessened the impossible expectations on yourself, work-wise.
In your relationships, I’d say that so far the outer critic was more pronounced (more than the inner critic), because you’ve been mostly critical about the girls you were with and finding faults in them. But it could be that this outer critic is just a defense mechanism, which allowed you to not go deeper with a girl, to not show yourself really. A defense mechanism against true intimacy. Because if you judge someone and feel superior to them, you don’t really want to be vulnerable with them. As you noticed it yourself, it kills the chance for intimacy:
Yes, and it makes them feel inferior which makes things even worse. Because they donāt feel much comfortable after that. Eg. āShare their true selfā And as the comfort decreases, means the distance is just increasing. Right?
Yes, if there is this superior-inferior dynamic going on, the distance increases and intimacy becomes impossible. That’s why I am thinking that your outer critic (which is this superior, judgmental, critical persona that you tend to put on in romantic relationships) could be a defense mechanism against vulnerability. This “persona” serves to protect your inner child from being seen and being hurt. This could be the shield around your heart that we were talking about…. What do you say? Do you think it’s possible?
I mean with my parents I still do, but not with my romantic interests.
Oh I see – it’s great that your girlfriends liked your spontaneity!
Thanks for giving me hope though. I was about to give up if I didnāt find out its not only about dating but itās much more deeper thing to resolve.
You’re welcome! Yeah, romantic relationships are always about deeper things, since there’s always a connection between our attachment trauma and the way we behave in relationships.
Like today pretty much every one have some issues related to childhood that they need to address and work on. But instead feeling like a victim. Being mindful in the present and accept that and he quotes from the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna said: āWhatever happened, happened for the good; Whatever is happening, is happening for the good; Whatever will happen, will also happen for the good only.ā
Yes, it’s a good way to look at it – not to feel like a victim, but rather, see our childhood as something that shaped us but also something that we can grow from and transcend. I don’t know if you’ve heard about it, but there is a Japanese art of kintsugi – repairing broken pottery with gold. The idea is that our “cracks”, i.e. our wounds and painful experiences can make us beautiful, if we manage to heal them and integrate them into our life.
Just think about it like if everything went perfectly would you have this drive to improve yourself and work on yourself every day? Probably not. So itās like bitter and sweet things mixed cocktail which is fun thing about life and thatās what makes it interesting and worth living not just like a raw water.
Actually yes, we can learn and grow from challenges…
Makes me think that striving for this inner peace is nothing less than a great war against ourselves.
Well, inner peace is important, but I think if we want to achieve it by hiding from the world, hiding from challenges, then it’s not the real thing…
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
so good to hear from you! I am glad you’ve been feeling better lately and also managing your anxiety around the guy better. Yes, he seems like playing his usual games, provoking you on purpose, sitting in front of you while making out with his girlfriend, then later filming you while you were dancing….
It’s like he wants to have power over you, but not only over you, but other women as well, since you say he’s been fooling around with girls, cheating on his current girlfriend etc. Probably keeping women interested in him gives a boost to his ego, and it’s like a game for him. As I said, I don’t like him at all…
And it’s so good to hear that you’re not super anxious around him any more, and that your interest is turning towards the chef. He does seem sweet and caring, and I do hope your relationship deepens. Is he planning to come back after he visits his home country?
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ParticipantDear SereneWolf,
Yes the IMPRINT! Thatās the thing Iām working on
Yes, and the imprint is carried by the inner child… that’s why it needs inner child healing.
Yes I can say thatās really similar what happened to me. But what do you think what stopped your father and my mother from protecting us?
Well, my father had his own emotional wounding related to his mother. I think he was trying to get love and validation from his emotionally distant mother. He repeated that in the relationship with his wife, i.e. my mother. So he always tried to “please” and “appease” my mother, and he never wanted conflict with her. It was important for him that my mother isn’t angry with him. That was his priority, not my well-being or even his own well-being. And so he stayed silent and endured what he shouldn’t have endured.
With your mother, there could have been also cultural factors at play, maybe that women shouldn’t object to their husbands? So perhaps that contributed to your mother staying silent?
I totally agree with you! I do feel like Iām missing deeper sense of self-worth. And recently quite a lot
I see… yes, if you’re missing a deeper sense of self-worth, it’s very likely related to that incessant criticism that you’ve heard from your father and grandfather….
Right! and thatās the reason why I also still have fear of commitment. It feels so scary.
Right… because the closest relationships for you were a source of stress and humiliation, not a source of encouragement and support. And also broader relationships weren’t too supportive either, because as you’ve said, it was all about rivalry and who is more accomplished, who makes more money etc. No wonder you didn’t want to show any vulnerability, or your true self.
But do you know what Henry Cloud’s definition of intimacy is? Intimacy = into me see.
We need to allow the other person to see us, to see into us, otherwise there can be no intimacy and no real relationship.
It could be that your inner child is still afraid to be seen, because he believes he’s not good enough, not worthy enough? But if you can truly believe that you’re good enough and have so many good qualities, and that you don’t need to be perfect (unlike your parents and grandparents told you!)… then you might allow another person to “see into you”. As we’ve talked about before, you don’t need to spill out all your deepest secrets on the first date, just maybe share one vulnerable thing and see how she reacts…
For spontaneity I donāt feel criticized. Because in my previous relationships I received lot of good compliments about it and I myself believe that without spontaneity relationships are much less fun..
I said it because you mentioned earlier that you fear they might judge you for your spontaneity:
I know Iām in touch with my inner child and I still do lot of things that an adult actually doesnāt do like I turned into a kid when Iām with kids, Different kind of bicycling, Singing and dancing for no reason (Lot of times while cooking, Watching Anime and Cartoons and lot of things like that) And I kind of fear they would judge me for that and not actually understand.
But it’s good if you feel you can be spontaneous and playful after all!
I want to get out from this fearsome repetitive cycle. So, I will date and experiment till I have the success.
Good! I guess you can now be more mindful while dating and observe yourself, and notice if the fear arises… which is already a big step!
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ParticipantDear Emma,
I am really sorry for what happened to you. It is so unfair and humiliating that a woman of such questionable character (M) managed to guilt-trip K into marrying her, after he’d already met you and seen through her intentions. It is unfortunate that he couldn’t say No to her blackmail and send her away. It is even stranger than he proceeded to stay married to her for 8 years (if I am counting well), until she took all of his money and left the country to marry another man. During the time they were together, she was mistreating him, humiliating him and insulting him in front of everyone.
All of this is telling me that K allowed to be fooled and abused by M for many years, and that you and your love were not enough to stop him from making self-destructive decisions. There was something in him – a sense of guilt or low self-esteem – which made him work against himself.
Unfortunately, this self-destructive drive is still in him. Because you – the woman he claims he loves – have forgiven him. And you are willing to leave behind the past and start anew. But he doesn’t want it, he is depressed, he “isn’t interested in doing much of anything “, and he refuses to see a therapist. Again, a self-destructive drive at play…
You’re right when you say that you’re being punished again (I canāt help but feel as if Iām still being punished instead of her). Now, after she sucked the life out of him (which he allowed) and he probably feels defeated and ruined, you should live with the consequences and accept that he is a ruined man. But why? He could get better if he wanted to. If he really cared about you, he would agree to seek help.
But something within him doesn’t let him, and he prefers to stay miserable. And he would like your company…. Well, you don’t need to keep him company in his misery. You deserve more. If he isn’t willing to help himself, you don’t have to be a part of it.
I know it’s hard for you, since he is the man you really loved. But please be wise and don’t let yourself be fooled once again…
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ParticipantDear frozenfireflies,
Because of my own struggles Iām currently in psychomotor therapy, because talk therapy has not worked well for me at all. Iāve only been with this new therapist for a few sessions but I have high hopes.
It’s great that you’re currently in therapy and that you like your new therapist!
This will hopefully teach me to stay more regulated and not get into this abandonment trap of anxiety.
Yes, I think that if you can lessen the fear of conflict (and the fear of abandonment, as it seems), it would enable you to stand up for yourself and not feel defeated and powerless in the face of your husband’s anger.
My husband is indeed someone who really canāt say no very well. He has a real history of taking responsibility, to his own detriment even. Part of the problem here is that I think his standards are a bit too high and he doesnāt have enough trust. āNo one does a good job if I donāt step upā ā that almost seems to be his mantra, whether he realises it or not. It would really serve him well to work through his own past issues that are holding a grip over his present life.
I donāt name call, I donāt do character attacks, I donāt swear at him and yet he still feels some kind of pull to this aggressive communication style when thereās conflict.
I’ve been reading from the book “Complex PTSD: From Surviving to Thriving” by Pete Walker. He says that when people have a lot of unresolved anger (from their childhood), they may become very critical of others, i.e. have a strong outer critic. This outer critic can be very judgmental of others, feel superior to others and also feel justified to get angry frequently and dump their anger where it doesn’t belong.
As for getting angry frequently, Pete Walker calls it “emotional flashbacks” – the person gets triggered by something (say their partner leaves dirty dishes in the sink), and this makes them feel unloved and unappreciated, and as a reaction, they react angrily. So a small “incident” can lead them to overreact ā because they interpret it in a negative way, as if their partner wanted to hurt them deliberately.
You mentioned that your husband gets upset with you for “leaving things” and not being as tidy as he would like you to be. So perhaps something like that happens with him too? And that’s why he reacts with anger to something that is otherwise not a big deal and could be discussed peacefully?
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ParticipantDear SereneWolf,
I totally agree like you mentioned (and even others told me) I was resourceful and pretty much self- reliant. But the thing is that for my parents and grandparents they never saw that as my good accomplishments. They were always like look what he did at this age? Look what he accomplished? Mainly my grandfather and father (Both are very āperfectionistā nature) So instead of praising they were criticizing me and that made me realize that no matter what Iāll do I wouldnāt be good enough for them. (I realized that years ago)
Good that you’ve realized it at a relatively young age! But the imprint stayed, and so their perfectionism became your own perfectionist inner critic. Which is telling you that you’re not good enough, not accomplishing enough at work, not earning enough money etc etc. It’s sad that both your father and grandfather were perfectionists, so you received a double dose of criticism.
Not only that, but it seems there was no male role model who could have served as a positive father figure (“My neighbors are like that, older relatives etc because they grew up in competitive environment“). So you were surrounded by bad role models…
Yes, I can totally relate! I know that feeling, but it must have been hard for you. In my case it was my grandfather. And even though I had good grades, It wasnāt enough! I felt literally pressurized to be in the Top 3 students! and yet I still made it as a Top 1st student till the end of high school. Just to feed their ego. So he can talk others like ālook my grandson has always been the 1stā.
Right… so for your grandfather, it seems you were a tool to boost his vanity and pride. He boasted to others with your accomplishments, while at the same time he wasn’t really proud of you, but kept criticizing you. I can see how damaging it was for you, and how toxic. I understand why you wanted to get away ASAP…
But Because my mother and grandmother never criticized me for that and just loved me without any expectations from me. so It was kind of sane place for me. Otherwise, I swear Iād have to run in the jungle much earlier and never return.
It’s good you weren’t criticized by your mother and grandmother. However, I get the feeling that they didn’t protect you from your father’s and grandfather’s criticism either. Your mother told you to take your father’s criticism silently and “maturely”, so basically she never challenged your father to change his approach. My father never protected me from my mother’s criticism either. That’s why the damage done by my mother was much bigger than it should have been. Because my father allowed the abuse and didn’t say anything. I think something similar happened to you too?
And sometimes I think how self-confident, fearless and full of hope kid I used to be. Because of the criticized father and my inner criticism over the years my self-confident and self-esteem is still quite low, and it did affect my career and relationships quite a bit. So I still have to work on my self-esteem and self-confidence.
Yeah, and I think there is even a difference between self-esteem and self-confidence. Self-esteem is a basic sense of self-worth (which doesn’t depend on any skill that you possess), whereas self-confidence is related to various skills we have. Say a professional athlete may have a lot of self-confidence that they are good at sports, but once they get injured, they may feel worthless because their self-esteem was based on their skills and not on a deep inner sense that they are worthy as a person.
Perhaps you too feel self-confident is some things, but what is missing is a deeper sense of self-worth, of being worthy simply because you exist?
Yes I believe I can resonate. Ā Because those lines hits me. As you know in my previous relationships, I wasnāt being my true self and shielded my heart.
Right.. and it seems to me that you’re very cautious with relationships not only because of your father’s (and grandfather’s) criticism, but also because you weren’t protected enough by your mother. So relationship might seem like a very scary thing, where no one is on your side?
Okay so Iām not sure if my subconscious mind believes in that but Iām sure that my conscious mind doesnāt believe competition in the relationships. It was mostly fear of judgments, criticism and inability to express my emotions properly.
Okay, you’re afraid to be judged by your partner. So to protect yourself, you rather judge her and make her seem deficient, so to feel less vulnerable? Like, you first judge her before she can judge you?
This part could be true though. Conscious and subconscious both levels
Okay, so you don’t want a relationship to be a competition and a power struggle. You hate it. And that’s why you’d rather not go into it. But the problem is that a part of you believes that relationship is a power struggle. Or at least that being in a relationship means being judged, criticized and hurt. That you can’t show your weaknesses, or even your spontaneity (like dancing while cooking lunch) without being criticized. Right?
And if you approach relationships from that vantage point (which is a vantage point of fear), then I think it’s better not to date. Because you’ll likely get more of the same. But if you work on slowly dissolving that fear, on realizing why it’s there and then dissolving it… that’s when you open yourself to a different kind of dynamic in a relationship. To a possibility of a healthy relationship.
That would be my answer to your question whether you’re ready to date (You think Iām ready? Or I still need lot of healing even to start dating someone?). I think you’re ready to date if you can let go of some of that fear of judgment in the relationship. We can talk more about it, if you’d like to…
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ParticipantI’ve noticed a typo in the quote by Pete Walker. It should be like this:
Subliminal memories of being scorned for seeking our parentsā support
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ParticipantDear SereneWolf,
Omg yeah It wasnāt easy! and they tried lot of things to make me stay. But I was really stubborn about it and figured every answer to their worries. And still, theyād call me every day for more than two months.
It seems you were pretty resourceful, already at that age. And really self-confident in a sense, because you knew you could make it on your own, without your parents’ protection. The fact that they worried and called you every day is normal I think, because you were a minor when you decided to live alone… so I wouldn’t call that excessive worry.
In fact, I am thinking now that their biggest mistake as parents wasn’t excessive worry (because you sort of gave them the reasons to be worried š ), but rather, it could be the criticism and judgment that you grew up with. Feeling constantly criticized (e.g. your father was very harsh with you when you didn’t hand him the proper tool right away), always compared to others, perhaps always feeling that something is wrong with you and that you’re not good enough? Like, being seen not with loving, accepting eyes, but with strict, judgmental eyes, who always evaluate you and seek a reason to criticize you?
This seems to me the greatest wounding that you’ve experienced. I’ve experienced the same from my mother. She took my good results at school for granted, never praised me for that, and at the same time she looked for every opportunity to scold me. There was always something wrong with me, in her eyes… and so I grew up with the belief that there is something fundamentally wrong with me. My self-esteem was zero.
Children who grow up being heavily criticized develop the harsh inner critical voice (which we’ve talked about already), but they can also develop the outer critic, as the flip side of the inner critic. According to Pete Walker, the outer critic is our defense mechanism against getting hurt in intimate relationships:
āCPTSD typically include an attachment disorder that comes from the absence of a sympathetic caregiver in childhood. When the developing child lacks a supportive parental refuge, she never learns that other people can soothe loneliness and emotional pain. She never learns that real intimacy grows out of sharing all of her experience.
To the degree that our caretakers attack or abandon us for showing vulnerability, to that degree we later avoid the authentic self-expression that is fundamental to intimacy. The outer critic forms to remind us that everyone else is surely as dangerous as our original caretakers. Subliminal memories of being scorned for seeing our parentsā support then short-circuit our inclination to share our troubles and ask for help.ā
The above is the excerpt from Pete Walker’s book “Complex PTSD: From Surviving to Thriving”. It could be that you felt very unsafe and criticized when you showed vulnerability or weakness in front of your parents. This might have given you the message that being anything less than “perfect” means being judged and rejected. It also might have led you to believe that the person you are in the relationship with is there to judge you and criticize you.
You might even subconsciously believe that this is what relationships are all about: competition, who is better, who is more successful, who is more “perfect”. If so, you naturally want to either win in that competition (be the “more perfect” one, and judge the other person for her supposed deficiencies), or you want to leave the competition altogether (not be in a relationship at all).
Would you say this is true for you? I have more to say and I’d also like to answer your questions, but let me know if the above resonates with you?
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ParticipantDear frozenfireflies,
I get it that it’s hard for you because it seems that when your husband is upset and critical with you, it triggers the fear of abandonment:
With our conflict styles, itās typically my husband who will be unhappy/withdrawing and myself who is the pursuer, desperately trying to set things right and create a sense of harmony. This makes it extremely hard for me to walk away to pause a conflict, because I become very clingy when I sense this āthreatā. I think my husbandās way of handling conflict triggers something visceral inside me that signals danger to me. Iād literally beg him to stay and ātalk things outā.
Somehow Iām just desperate for closeness.
Would you that abandonment is what you’re fearing the most?
Since you’re not able to set boundaries (e.g. tell him you’ll take a time-out and go to the other room until he calms down), this dynamic will likely continue, because your husband isn’t really willing to do much about it. He is “aware” that he could be more loving and gentle, but he doesn’t want to do anything about it:
he fully agrees with me when we are both calm. He knows he should be more loving and gentle and not so armoured so quickly. But this hasnāt yet translated into a different kind of behaviour. … There are many practices out there that can help, but itās always time, money, etc⦠You can guess all the reasons. He is not against reading the book at all, itās just about carving out that time to read.”
You also said that whenever you try applying any of the mindfulness techniques, he resists:
I have asked him a few times to co-regulate when we were getting too agitated over something, to hold my hands and just breathe together, but he didnāt want to do that at all. And when I use the NC approach and try to observe and name his feelings/needs, he just gets annoyed by me.
So in practice, he isn’t interested in changing his habits, and I think that unfortunately he won’t be interested as long as you’re allowing it and always trying to placate him.
A separate, but related problem is his own trauma and perhaps a feeling of powerlessness and frustration about his sister: I know that my husband has struggled with bullying as a child, and that applies to myself too. I also know that my husband has a toxic sister, who has a history lying, gaslighting, manipulation, etc.
He also seems powerless at his work place: “He struggles with burnout in different areas ā work-related, parental and relationship burnout. He feels he doesnāt get enough time to practice basic self-care. His job doesnāt give him any satisfaction and demands a lot of him“.
So a lot of demands on him, and he feels like he can’t say No to people. He also was quick to start picking up clothes after your oldest son, instead of perhaps telling him not to do that? (I don’t know how old your son is and if it’s applicable?) Specially since his back hurts…
It’s like he can’t say No and often feels powerless in life. And then he takes out his frustration on you, instead of dealing with the real cause of his frustration. You’re a little bit of a (verbal) punching bag for him, to let out steam…
What do you say? Does this resonate?
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ParticipantDear SereneWolf,
BunÄ Tee
Is that Romanian? Had to look it up but am still not sure…
You always give great examples. Thanks!
You’re welcome!
It was actually just recently few months ago. I started the swimming classis and after that I told them. So my parents wouldnāt argue with me.
Oh I see, it was recent. What would they argue with you? That you shouldn’t take swimming classes because it’s dangerous?
Heck theyāre even worried that Iām letting a stray cat inside my place. They be like she might have diseases and blah blah blah.. Iām like Iāll go to the vet and give her vaccination. So, you donāt have to worry about that. Literally no one in my family grown up with a pet. So I did see that coming.
Yeah, it does seem they are a little overprotective. I wonder how they’ve survived you leaving home at the age of 16 and living alone, if they are so worried about you even to this day? How did they even allow it?
But itās right I did act like an overprotective, critical father! Not all the time but stillā¦
Yeah, and there might be a similarity with how your parents acted with you (and are still acting with you). Overprotective, trying to control you (although not succeeding), and doing it “for your own good”…
Or is it just like my parent thinks they still have to care about me like even though Iām not a kid anymoreā¦
Yes, it does seem like that… that you tend to behave in romantic relationships a little bit like your parents behave with you…
Striving towards Perfection (specially with Humans) isnāt a wise thing to do I guess⦠and I tried to make them āperfectā the way I wanted even though at that time I just saw it as a care and concerned about their health.
Yeah, it’s pretty destructive for the relationship if you see the person as “lacking” and try to make them “perfect”. The person feels not good enough, whereas you put yourself in a superior position, and basically judge and criticize them for “underperforming”. Of course, you can say it’s all with a good intention, “for their own good”, but it’s not a healthy, equal relationship.
In a healthy relationship, we accept the person as they are – we don’t try to change them and mold them into something that we would like them to be. It doesn’t mean we need to tolerate and accept some of their bad habits, however fundamentally we don’t try to change the person to be something they are not. It’s like we look at them with love and acceptance, not with a measuring stick that says “not good enough”.
But itās right I did act like an overprotective, critical father! Not all the time but stillā¦Ā And after that I get exhausted and give up on the relationship.
Yeah, no wonder, because it’s like you’re in a war with the person, trying to make her do what you think is right for her, and she wouldn’t… And maybe you think she doesn’t love you if she resists, if she has different priorities and preferences than you? And so you conclude it’s not worth the trouble because things can’t be the way you want them to be?
External environment could be the big reason as well not just my friends but like everywhere I see it just that all be like itās lot of mind games and complex ā not like clear communication as it should be. So yeah itās like a confirmation bias
Yes, it seems some of your friends tell you you need to “play the game”, which makes it look like some kind of competition, like who is going to outsmart whom… Whereas a healthy relationship is not a competition, but a loving and supportive co-existence (or something like that, I can’t think of a better definition now š ).
The way I perceive my past relationships. Like Did I even had a healthy relationship before that Iām longing for it again?
So because of these reasons, I just feel more hopeless and I just feel not excited for dating. Not more than Maybe just some time spending and physical pleasure.
I imagine you haven’t had a healthy relationship so far, because of those emotional wounds and programming that stem from your childhood. So no wonder you fear more of the same… But what you’ve experienced so far isn’t what a true relationship looks like. Trust that you too can have a healthy relationship, but you’d need to heal some of your patterns before that’s possible.
And yeah what about you? Did you celebrate valentine week?
Well, not particularly, I did get flowers from my husband. But we’ve never really paid attention to that date, so I don’t consider it important. But we do have a very good and strong relationship, and that’s what matters most š
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ParticipantDear Glofish75,
is he talking about his marriage problems, complaining about his wife, stuff like that? Those would be signs that he might be emotionally cheating on her…
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ParticipantDear norit,
I am very sorry about your father passing and you finding yourself in a very difficult situation.
It doesnāt always feel safe to leave her at home as she will fall over, or injure herself and not realise, or leave the oven on, among other things.
If your mother is dangerous to herself, is there a possibility to place her in an elderly home? Because it is a lot to ask from yourself and your brother to sacrifice your lives for your mother – when she doesn’t want to do anything to help herself, and is in fact denying that she has a problem.
I know it’s hard to do that with a loved one, because we naturally care and feel guilty for not helping them. But in this case, you’re not really helping her ā because what she would really need is help with becoming sober. But she doesn’t want that, she wants to keep destroying her life.
What you’ve been doing so far is trying to soften the blows and minimize the consequences that she is inflicting upon herself. But unfortunately, you’re ruining yourself in the process too, and the result is a lose-lose situation for everyone involved, specially for you and your brother.
That’s why I don’t think it’s sustainable to keep caring about her, in a way that she dictates the rules and you’re just trying to do damage control. It’s exhausting.
Please do to seek help, perhaps first in a support group for families of addicts, like Brandy suggested. They may give you useful information about how to cope better and find a more sustainable solution for you and your brother.
Wishing you strength!
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