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Dear Honey,
I know about it but he lied to me that they are no longer together
Her girlfriend found and said every mean things to me. They are no longer together and he wants to be with me.
It seems to me that they are no longer together only because she found out and broke up with him. Otherwise he would have been still living a double life. Now, when she left him, no wonder he is begging you to take him back and claims that he lovesĀ you. But he would have continued lying and cheating on both of you if he hadn’t been discovered.
So my advice is not to trust this man. He is a liar and a cheater. If he was cheating on his girlfriend, he won’t have qualms to cheat on you some time down the line. He has been lying to you already, so that shows you his character.
I love him so much. I do want to give him a chance but itās really painful.
You may love him, but you don’t want to be anyone’s fool. And he is trying to fool you now, making excuses why he lied. My advice is to leave him and don’t look back.
TeeParticipantHi Adam,
I wouldnāt say fatigue, more something I enjoyed back then, now it feels like itās more of a distraction at times.
What were you daydreaming about? Having a partner? You don’t need to give me any details, I am just curious about the main theme of your daydreams.
I really did feel over the moon from everything she said, especially earlier on, I think thatās the feeling Iām chasing again and again with her. Before the last 2 break ups, which were the worst and longest, she was bringing up future, family marriage etc a lot more compared to after the break ups. I feel like I was gas lit.
Yes, it seems she wasn’t really sincere when she told you see shares your vision of the future. It could be that in the beginning she agreed with you, because she didn’t want to lose you. But my guess is that she wasn’t ready to settle down, she was still searching for herself, perhaps. She just enrolled college, you also said she wanted to travel (instead of seeking therapy) – this all seems like someone who is still in the process of seeking/discovering themselves.
In the beginning of our conversation, you said:
she said I was her best boyfriend, her rock, her best friend etc and wanted me in her life so it is giving me expectations that she does want me as a lifelong partner only that she may not have been ready for it
It could be that she liked you being her protector and her “rock” while she was searching for herself, being a “free spirit”, making necklaces, collecting shells, having no job… it’s like she wanted you to be her perfect father, while she is playing in the sand, perhaps?
She wanted you in her life for playing that protector figure, however not for having adult expectations on her.
However, you interpreted her loving words as to mean that she is on board with your plan of getting married and having kids. Just take a look at this sentence again: “she said I was her best boyfriend, her rock, her best friend etc and wanted me in her life so it is giving me expectations that she does want me as a lifelong partner only that she may not have been ready for it.”
She might have loved you for being that rock and protector for her, but she might not have loved your expectations about the future. Not that there is anything wrong with those expectations (we talked about it: you have the right to expect certain things from a girl you want to marry). It’s just that she wasn’t the right girl to expect it from.
In the beginning she might have seemed like she is on board with your plan, because as I said, she didn’t want to lose you (because you were so good in the role of her protector). But as the time went by, she probably felt more and more resistance towards that plan and in general, towards you trying to nudge her to get her life in order. She didn’t like that part of you (the part who has adult expectations on her). She only liked the unconditionally loving protector father figure, who lets her “play in the sand” and has no expectations on her.
I am trying not to blame myself, I think I am just caring too much now about how she is and what she is doing. When she is obviously not caring about me so that puts it into perspective a bit. She actually mentioned last time that she blocked it all out but then it all hit her.
Well, you may care for her and have compassion for her. But she is not your daughter and you have no responsibility for her well-being. She’ll figure it out. She has her whole life in front of her to learn and heal, at her own pace. So don’t feel responsible for her feelings and her well-being. You tried to play that role, and it turned out badly. Now it’s time to let her go figure out her life on her own. Your task is to figure out your own life.
Ā As I said earlier she doesnāt care so that should be a good enough reason for me not too.
Well, maybe she would like to have you back in the role of “unconditionally loving protector who has no expectations on her”. But would you want to be in that role? Or you actually want an adult partner around whom you don’t need to walk on eggshells and who wants similar things that you want (settle down, marriage, family)?
TeeParticipantHi Adam,
I told my psych that it hurts because she didnāt understand how I loved her and loved me differently. She replied and told me that my ex would also be feeling the same towards me, that I didnāt love her how she did. It was interesting and also hard to hear that.
Yes, it’s typical that people with trauma require all their partner’s attention and care, because the wounded inner child is leading their life. Your ex behaved like a child, and all children are naturally selfish – they want their parents’ attention 100% of the time. Otherwise they wouldn’t be able to survive. So when we are children, that’s totally normal, but when someone behaves like that in their adulthood, it’s a problem.
So don’t blame yourself for not being able to give her that kind of attention that a baby or a toddler requires from her mother. The fact that she was unhappy with the level of attention you gave her doesn’t tell anything about you, but about her insatiable demands, which are the result of her unmet childhood needs.
I think when i just need a mental break it triggers my daydreaming a bit.
And when do you typically need a mental break? Is it after you’ve spent a hard day at work, focusing on what you’re doing? Or perhaps when in a relationship and focusing all your energy on your partner, sort of watching you’ll say, paying attention not to offend her (like it was with you ex)?
Smoking does as well. Movies and just media in general can trigger a feeling of wanting to daydream. They can last maybe between 5 ā 15 minutes. When I was a teenager, I would go on walks to allow time for my daydreaming.
Do you remember what triggered it back then? Was it also mental fatigue?
I really felt ready and like she was going to be the one for me. She fueled my fantasies with her comments too. I had that fate and destined feeling straight away with her.
Yes, you felt ready and you wanted to find a girl to settle down with. It was a strong desire in you. When she told you that she too wants to settle down and be your wife, no wonder you felt over the moon. You thought you’ve found “the one” – something you’ve been dreaming of ever since you were a teen.
I think that’s why it felt destined. Because everything fell into place, you believed. You thought your dream was finally coming true. And that’s why you tried so hard to make it work, even if you suffered abuse in the relationship. Because you wanted it to succeed at all costs.
Now Iām worried it will return if she reaches out at any time, and it probably will still be there for a long time. I think it has to do with me being too readily available at times and giving people my all straight away.
With her, you definitely did give your all straight away. Have you experienced it in other relationships too? (perhaps friendships?) Because in your previous romantic relationships, you didn’t really give your all at first (you were avoidant).
I am even worried about getting this destined feeling with anyone not just her as I feel like it had made it so much harder for me this whole time.
Well, if what’s driving you is a desire to settle down and start your own family, and this desire is very strong and pervasive, then it could indeed cloud your judgment and make you cling to people like your ex, even if they’re not good for you.
I feel stuck in limbo still. This week has been much harder than last, I feel as Iām getting worse with time. Work is being affected and Iām very unmotivated, so I am going to take some time off soon.
I’ve noticed fluctuations in you – some days you’re more hopeful and upbeat, others you’re more daydreaming and having thoughts of getting back together. I think this is normal in the aftermath of this very painful breakup. Please know that it’s normal that sometimes you feel better, sometimes worse. But you will get through this eventually, because you’re doing all the right things.
It’s a good idea to get some time off of work, to recuperate. However, try not to use it for daydreaming and smoking weed, because that’s what’s going to make things harder. Being alone with your thoughts and feelings isn’t the best, I am afraid. Perhaps going for a vacation to a new place, a place you’ve always wanted to visit, would be appealing to you?
I have really hoped anything would be different. My biggest hope since early teens was probably to get a girlfriend and then as I left school, I finally started getting them, but I still have not made it to 12 months with a partner. They always leave and it makes me feel like I am doing something wrong.
Well, you’re still learning. You said you weren’t that eager in your first relationships and that both of your exes left you because you were avoidant. So in those relationship you were probably doing something wrong – you were smoking and didn’t care much about them.
Perhaps you sort of sabotaged those relationships because you both feared and longed for a relationship at the same time. So it might have been an inner conflict, which made you wishy-washy about the relationship.
But with this girl, you were ready and you decided to give it your best.
There was a trend where I was always questioning myself with all my exes and my last relationship was the worst for this. She told me once during an argument that something is wrong with me and it really hurt. It made me feel like I was in the wrong and the cause of all issues and arguments.
Yeah, that’s hard to hear. You were trying your best, you gave her a lot of attention, you were caring and supportive, you were there almost 24/7 for her, and yet it wasn’t enough. As I explained above, the fact that she wasn’t satisfied with you is not your fault – it’s her own trauma wounds. So don’t take it to heart. Don’t take it to mean anything bad about you. Because it wasn’t your fault.
I tied everything about our futures together and thatās what I always told her. My priority was my future together, so itās our future. She would see this as her not being the priority in the moment. She was never able to envision the future like I did.
Because she wasn’t really on board with being a wife and mother, I believe. She was too immature for that. She herself was so extremely needy – how on earth would she be able to meet a child’s needs properly? She might have told you in the beginning that she’d be your wife, because that’s what you felt so strongly about and she wanted to please you. But her heart was never in it. In fact, I bet she was actually afraid of such a task. Because women with trauma and unmet childhood needs often feel very scared and incompetent of being mothers themselves.
What she wanted from you is 24/7 care and attention in the moment, and no expectations about the future. If my assumptions are right, she wasn’t on board with being your wife, simply because she felt incapable of it. But perhaps she never articulated it. And so you kept hoping and pushing for your dream, which wasn’t actually her dream too.
Ā A week before we broke up it was her sisters birthday, there was a massive argument when they went out for dinner because he didnāt get the right sauce. It reminded me of my ex in a way, like he didnāt get what he wanted so now everyone has to suffer despite being a birthday celebration and it ruined the night. My ex told me he actually said āthis is why I didnāt want to go out, because it always ends in an argumentā.
Haha, yeah, it always ends up in an argument because he is the one causing arguments! But he didn’t want to admit it, and kept blaming everyone else. Yes, he doesn’t seem like a positive person. He is probably having anger and rage issues, but is blaming others for his explosive behavior. Your ex also wasn’t able to admit her own mistake but was rather blaming you. So perhaps there is a similarity there.
I think all this trauma, unresolved mental health, no desire for therapy, reducing medication without guidelines, no work for nearly 6 months or general direction in life, small friend group who werenāt always a positive influence just to name a few things. One of these by themself is enough to damage a relationship I feel. It was a whole concoction of what I just listed. I just want to be done with all this but I am struggling to do whatās best for myself.
That’s an excellent summary, Adam. You are seeing it very well. It’s good you’re aware that she wasn’t in a good mental space at all to have a healthy long-term relationship. And you’re working on letting her go. But it’s a process, don’t rush it. You’ll get there.
But as I said, make sure you don’t spend too much time alone, smoking and ruminating. Rather, if you take some time off, take a vacation and get to some new vistas. If you have good friends (or one good friend), you might go together with them.
TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
Iām very scared. I received a voice message from him yesterday. Saying he misses talking to me and he wants to know how everything is going here, and tell me about his life. Heās nervous about going to Portugal. We agreed to call and catch up with each other. Iām a bit nervous but he said he missed talking to me twice and he didnāt sound sad or anything.
This sounds pretty good. If he said twice that he misses talking to you, and wants to hear all about you and tell you about his life, it sounds promising. I can imagine he’s nervous about going to Portugal, because it’s a beginning of a new chapter in his life. Perhaps he is nervous about how he’ll organize his life there and about all the responsibilities awaiting him on his job?
In any case, it doesn’t seem that he is distancing himself from you or that he wants to say goodbye.
Have you agreed on a time of your next call?
Maybe this entire confusion is because he doesn’t have the privacy to talk to you (perhaps he is surrounded by family members?), and also because of big difference in time zones? So maybe the problem is mostly logistical and not because he is losing interest?
TeeParticipantHi Adam,
Yes she definitely was at times limiting my playfulness as I was worried about triggering her. I donāt think she understood my playfulness fully either.
Yeah, people with trauma and low self-esteem can get very offended, not able to take a joke, even if it’s an innocent one. She probably felt threatened by those jokes, as if you’re saying you don’t love her or don’t respect her enough.
I would say itās more like losing myself in a daydream than being dysfunctional. It just feels excessive sometimes, like I have to day dream.
Did you notice that something triggers your daydreaming? How long do those episodes last?
I think that is definitely what happened. Smoking was a bigger issue in my last two relationships. I really did give it my all. My first ex I tried fighting for months later and she told me if you fought earlier it wouldāve been different. I was the distant one at first and didnāt want to rekindle until later on. That really stuck with me so I got into the mind set of fight before itās too late
Oh I see. So with your first ex you started caring (and fighting for her) too late, so you made sure you don’t repeat the same mistake again. And you quit smoking too, because you wanted to be there for her fully.
I think it is a right time wrong person scenario. Itās a hard lesson but itās true, we canāt make people change, even if we do everything we can.
Yes, she was definitely the wrong person. But at least you’ve learned a lesson, even if it was a painful one.
I think I could be attracted to it if Iām being honest, however Iām not sure why. My psych said it could just be a coincidence. I donāt think itās to do with having less issues but more of a protector role.
Right. Well, she was your first relationship where you’ve tried your best. And this could be because you felt ready to settle down (you said you’ve achieved your main career goals so far, bought a house, and so the next step was to find a partner and settle down). So maybe it’s just that you really took it seriously and wanted to make it work. Maybe that’s the only reason why you were so attached to her, and there are no childhood issues involved.
Let me ask you though: have you ever felt inadequate in your childhood? Have you perhaps hoped (and daydreamed) that anything in your life should be different?
I will do my best to stay away from all things related to her.
Yes, please try to stay away, because really no good would come from trying to get in touch again.
I had an average day Iāve just felt so unmotivated and a bit lonely. I think Iāve cried nearly everyday but Iām coping.
I am sorry, Adam. Your feelings are normal. Maybe you’re lacking motivation in part also because you tied your future happiness to her? So perhaps it’s time now to tell yourself that you can still be happy, and still have the future you’re hoping for, only not with her. You’re stronger and wiser for this experience. You’ve learned some lessons, although painful ones. Things will be fine, and you’ll be okay.
I guess youāre right I was a parental figure but I donāt think I was very similar to her father. And thanks thatās good advice not to message him.
Btw was her father a positive person in her life, or not so much? And you’re welcome. Yes, better not stir the pot unnecessarily and get yourself attached to her again, indirectly.
I have just read Robertaās message as well. Itās interesting you brought up the hormonal cycle. My ex actually just had a laparoscopy to have endometriosis and a marina removed. So maybe it was possible this exaggerated her triggers. We had a big argument before her surgery also. Not sure if any of this is significant.
It could be that she was more sensitive during some days of the month, however if so, she would have later come to her senses and apologized for her abusive behavior. She would have made the connection between “those days in the month” and her irritability. But I guess her unresolved trauma is what really started her triggers, whereas her hormones only played a minor role.
TeeParticipantDear Carol,
I am so sorry you’re hurting so much. Your daughter seems a bit too extreme in her attempts to keep you out of her life:
This past year she told me not to contact her, donāt message, donāt call, donāt write or if I attempt she will call the authorities.
I mean, threatening to call the authorities is really extreme! But it seems she’s not in a very stable phase in her life, since she married someone whom she’s only known for 3 weeks:
My daughter was along for about a year but then out of the blue met someone and within 3 weeks they were married.
I don’t know what she is going through, but it seems like a turbulent time.
My daughter has said she has had issues with me, her mother, since she was about 13 but for the life of me I canāt figure out what it was nor will she tell me anything.
So she never told you what her issues are, only accused you? What happened in her (and your) life when she was 13? Was there some big change or trauma?
She also insisted if I ever wanted to see or talk to her again I would do whatever she insisted.
What did she tell you you should do if you wanted to meet her? Did she give some of her “conditions”?
I missed her birthday last year for the first time ever and this alienation hurts something awful. I find myself crying at odd times. I just donāt know how to get over this.
I can imagine this is really hard on you. Specially since it’s all a bit vague and you don’t know what she actually holds against you, right?
You can’t force her to stay in touch with you, you can only hope that she’ll have a change of heart and find her way back to you.
Until then, perhaps you can examine your own actions, and whether there was something you did or failed to do in regards to your daughter. 13 is the beginning of puberty, so perhaps she started feeling sensitive and you didn’t catch some of the changes in her?
Anyway, take good care of yourself. Examine your actions, but don’t blame yourself. And keep a vision for her to heal, so perhaps your relationship can heal too.
TeeParticipantHi Adam,
There was never any resentment or hate coming from my sarcasm.
That’s what’s important. You really were just playful and your remarks innocent. But she took it the wrong way.
And I wouldn’t even call it sarcasm, because sarcasm is a form of passive aggression, where we resent something or someone but don’t want to say it openly, so we resort to sarcastic remarks. I think there is always resentment and anger in sarcasm. Yours was more like humor, I’d say. Being funny, making funny comments and sometimes innocently teasing her, but with no bad intention.
I have dark humour as well. I learnt to hold this back early on because of her trauma.
Good, so you were thoughtful enough to curb some of your dark humor. That shows you really didn’t mean to hurt her, but did your best to treat her with empathy and sensitivity.
She also agreed that I am playful however my ex couldāve brought that side out a bit more. I spoke about that balanced feeling where I am not too excited but not unsatisfied. Like you were saying I may have enjoyed the roller coaster of highs and lows because of this.
Well, it seems your ex tolerated some forms of your playfulness, like collecting shells, but didn’t always tolerate your humor, specially if you were making funny remarks about her. So in some ways, she was also limiting your playfulness, don’t you think?
I think itās easy to notice when my father is āoff with the fairiesā at times and I think I am also the same. I think my ex saying āI didnāt even give her eye contactā at times was her noticing Iām daydreaming a bit. Little smiles and hand movements is what I also noticed at times that are similar between me and my dad. I noticed as I got older when Iād say dream I would smirk during it at times and I would see this in him too.
Daydreaming in itself is normal, we all lose ourselves in thoughts from time to time and our gaze gets a bit glassy š But it’s not the same as maladaptive daydreaming, which is a disorder, where the person loses themselves in daydreaming to the point of losing touch with reality and not being able to perform normal daily tasks. It’s a form of dissociation and is usually caused by trauma or neglect.
Would you say your daydreaming was/is dysfunctional, or it’s more like losing yourself in thoughts and dreams about the future, from time to time?
I am an anxious person but I have always dealt with it. I do get a lot of anxiety in relationships I think because of all the egg shells of walked on during them. Partners have definitely made me question my sanity and if it is really me whoās the problem, which has added to my anxiety.
Right. So your anxiety is mostly about relationships, not about other parts of your life? You were with partners who accusedĀ you of being uncaring and/or neglectful. And in the past, when you were smoking weed, you might have indeed been like that.
It’s interesting because this is perhaps the duality you were feeling in the past: on one hand longing for a partner, and on the other fearing the relationship. So perhaps when you were in relationships in the past, this fear popped up (fear of not being good enough?), and so you self-medicated with weed? And then it became a self-fulfilling prophecy because clearly, if you’re smoking, you cannot be a caring and fully present partner.
Perhaps in this relationship you dropped your fear of being in the relationship, and you took a plunge with all that you had. You did your best. You were a caring and a fully present partner. But she was not the right girl…
Perhaps the lesson is that even if we do our best, we can’t make the other person to change. But it doesn’t mean we did anything wrong.
I think it is significant in someway, maybe I am drawn to girls who have unresolved issues and feel like I can be a confidante or a savior. Iām not too sure. I only really felt like this with my ex though not my other partners.
Right, with your previous exes you said you were neglectful/avoidant (you smoked weed), whereas with this one, you thought she was worth quitting. But it’s interesting that all of them have anxiety and/or are on medications.
So perhaps you are attracted to girls who are a bit insecure and fragile, and you feel you can be their protector? Or maybe with such girls, you believe they won’t judge you because you have “less issues” than them. But then exactly the opposite occurs: they end up judging you a lot? This is again just an idea that I am throwing out, please disregard if it doesn’t apply.
I told her about my worries for the next few weeks and months, she said if she reaches out you will have to be firm and break the cycle of abuse. She needs real treatment and help which would take a lot of therapy etc. 18 months she said atleast. But she said donāt think about the future and if she does ever approach you work, therapy are a must and who knows maybe thereās an option to reconnect but to not even think of that possibility. Take it as it comes.
Really great advice! I also think it would be very harmful to be in touch with her in any way. Because as your therapist said, you need to break the cycle of abuse. And if you keep in touch, you would sooner or later end up being abused again. Because nothing changed on her side. So yes, you need to stay away from her by all means.
My psych actually explained the cycle of abuse to me and how it works. You have a honey moon stage, then somethingās happens, then apologies follow and you make up and end up in the honeymoon stage for something to happen again leading to more apologies. She asked me if that seemed familiar and it really was. Every couple months we were splitting and then going through this cycle. With my past ex it made me realise that the relationship was a lot healthier as we went a whole 9 months and then split but never got back together. My psych also spoke about trauma bonding and made it clear that it wasnāt my trauma that was causing it by rather hers.
It’s also great that your therapist explained how the cycle of abuse works, and about trauma bonding. Yeah, you were hooked to those good times (and her promises), and that’s why it was hard to let go, even if the relationship became more and more toxic, and you less and less of yourself. And yes, it was clearly her trauma causing all of that. Your weakness was in staying and hoping things would change.
I am not sure if this is significant but I forgot to add there were a few times my ex told I treat her like her Dad. However I was completely different to her father. She also said her ex was similar to her father but agreed with me that I wasnāt in a lot of ways very early on in the relationship. Not sure why that changed and she said I treat her like that at times.
Well, you did behave like a parental figure at times, being both her protector and also trying to get her to put her life in order. So perhaps she saw that as patronizing. But if she saw her ex as a father figure too, it might be that she was projecting, or that she was actually attracted to guys who would protect her and shelter her from everything, so she would feel “safe” (which is impossible unless she actually heals the trauma).
I was thinking about messaging her ex just to see what his experience was. Do you think that is a wise idea or I should avoid opening that can of worms?
No, I don’t think it’s a good idea. You don’t know if he would be open to that, and it’s a bit like licking the wounds together – I don’t know if you want to bond with her ex in that way. Specially if you don’t even know the guy.
If you start talking to her exes about her, it would be like you’re still a bit obsessed about her, so it’s not really helping you to move on.
So my advice is no, don’t talk to him. Process everything you have in therapy or here if it helps you, but don’t open that can of worms (very good analogy, btw!)
I just deleted our messages in my phone as I caught myself looking through old messages. She definitely seemed a lot happier and grateful early on. Messaging me during the days and mornings at work compared to blunt and short conversations later on.
Great decision to delete her old messages! The less you get stuck on those mementos of the past, the easier it will be to move on.
TeeParticipantHi Adam,
I am glad I am not being too intrusive with my questions and hypotheses š
As an example of being sarcastic I would say things like āI love this movieā if there was a really boring movie on tv.
Did she like the movie and wanted to keep watching it? And then you, instead of saying “sorry I find it boring, can we watch something else?”, you said “I love this movie”, rolling your eyes or something to that effect? So the question is: was your remark playful, or was it resentful because you didn’t dare to say what you really think of the movie?
I think that would be the main difference between playfulness and sarcasm ā whether there is resentment in it, or not.
I notice a few ways we are similar. Weāre both a bit quiet but make others laugh. Both honest, humble, have the same smile, I could name a lot of different things.
These are all pleasant features. You did say though that you’re similar to your father when you’re daydreaming. So I was wondering what are those daydreaming “features” of yours, that you believe are similar to your father’s?
I saw the psych today and it went really well. She told me my ex had a push pull attachment style. Sheād pull me in then push me away. We spoke about a lot and she made me feel very safe and reassured. She said it was clearly abuse. I know What I need to do for myself so I will continue to do it.
Glad you had a successful appointment! Yes, it does seem like the push-and-pull tactics. I mean, she would pull you in with her nice words and promises, and then she would reject you with her moods and criticism. She was complaining you’re not spending enough quality time together, but then she wasn’t interested in doing anything together, but just sulking. You also said that after one earlier breakup, she said she’ll never leave again and that she knows you can always sort things out by talking. But then a short while later she’d be breaking up with you again. And so onā¦
You said you don’t really know what your type of girlfriend is and what is it that you liked about all your exes (I was trying to think of āmy typeā and I struggle with this, along with what I actually liked about all my exes). So I took a look at your older posts, and actually this is what you said about your exes:
All my exes have had some form of anxiety or being prescribed to medication
So that’s perhaps significant. Also, you said you had to walk on egg shells around them (and this has proven to be true for your last ex gf too):
They would definitely frustrate me a lot with their own problems which is harsh to say. ā¦. I did feel like I was stepping on eggshells with them
You also said you yourself sometimes suffer from anxiety:
No i was quite open about my feelings with her, told her about work, psych appointments, anxiety I was feeling at times.
If this is a sensitive topic, we don’t need to talk about it. But perhaps anxiety is a common theme here? Again, please disregard if this is irrelevant.
TeeParticipantHi Tom,
To be more direct, this may be difficult to improvise in case these challenges that you face is with your spouse- donāt you guys think so?
Yes, it’s trickier if it’s your spouse. You can’t just leave, and besides, maybe you shouldn’t either, but rather see things through a slightly different perspective. Helcat made an excellent remark about different people expressing their love differently. So even if someone is messy and unorganized, they may have other qualities that you appreciate, and other ways of expressing their love.
Even though you say your spouse is the polar opposite of you in some aspects, she still may be a good, honest person, with a kind heart. So instead of focusing on her drawbacks, perhaps you can learn to accept them, and appreciate her for her other qualities.
Of course, everything has its limits, so if she completely disregards your concerns and doesn’t even want to hear you out, that’s another thing. If you feel disrespected in your marriage, that’s a problem.
But if she simply has different priorities, this doesn’t mean she disrespects you. In that case, maybe it would help to talk to her and express appreciation for all of her good qualities, and also ask her to try to be more punctual, because it means a lot to you. So basically, you approach her with a different attitude: that of appreciation and acceptance, instead of judgment and rejection. This might cause a shift in her too, and more willingness to pay attention to things that are important to you.
What do you say?
TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
Iām scared of his reply. Since his actions and words donāt align any more. Thatās what happened with the guy i was with last year.
The one who went back home to his country after his visa expired (not sure I remember that part well)? I thought you had a sort of an agreement with that guy that your relationship will only last till he is in your country and that there were no plans for a LDR?
But I understand that you’re scared. You don’t want your fears to be confirmed. When he left for Brazil, he said he’d be back. But now he is changing plans and not telling you much. Have you talked to him in the meanwhile? Or the last communication was that he’s not coming to London and nothing more than that?
May 24, 2023 at 4:57 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #419112TeeParticipantDear Dafne,
thank you for your prayers and your kind words.
I must be honest, dear Dafne, it pains me that you’re still hoping to get love from this man, after he told you repeatedly that he is only interested in sex. Not only in any sex, but in wild sex. And he was explicit in telling you what he would have liked you did to him – as if you were a call girl.
Instead of seeing you like a person, he sees you as just some woman to satisfy his lust with. Instead of asking you how you are, he reaches for your dĆ©colletĆ©. I cringe when I think about it. And you should too. Because that’s not what you want, do you? You told me you want exactly the opposite.
To his defense, he didn’t reach out because he knew his stance would hurt you (He explained that he decided to not reply as he did not want to hurt me.). He stopped trying to persuade you into being a sex object for him. So he let you go. But unfortunately, you can’t let him go, even if he didn’t give you a single reason to keep pursuing him.
I know why you can’t let him go – because you believe he might come around some day. But it’s like looking for diamonds in a pile of garbage. What’s the probability you’ll find it there? Zero.
So you’d need to stop looking for your dream man in him, or men similar to him.
Is he really devasted so much by his divorce and canāt find a way to deal with that? How can I help him? Is it the right moment to try to be just a friend for him?
Perhaps he is devastated, but he isn’t looking for emotional consolation. What he is looking for is sex. He isn’t looking to talk to you either. He didn’t tell you how he feels, or what lead to his divorce. You don’t know anything about his supposed suffering, because he isn’t willing to share it with you. So how can you be friends with him?
You don’t need to help him because he doesn’t need your help. He only wants your help in relieving his sexual frustration.
Iāve heard so many stories, where women started friendships with recently divorced men (even after refusing sex) and after a while they ended up together happily. It took some time but it was worth it. Could this apply to my situation?
No, I am afraid it can’t. Because this guy doesn’t want friendship with you. He doesn’t want to confide in you, to share his feelings with you. When you asked him whether you are similar to his ex wife, he showed you some photos and videos of her. But it made him upset and he told you he doesn’t want to go to yoga or any activity with you, not even a walk with you. He only wants to meet you at his place:
His hands were shaking, started to smoke and said he doesnāt feel like going out, talking, doing things together, no yoga, no walks. He just wants to be there for his son but is open to meet me without going out.
Which means he doesn’t want to talk about his past, his emotions, his struggles…. If he doesn’t even want to have a walk with you, that shows how talk and emotional connection mean nothing to him. And if you expect to get it from him, it’s really like looking for diamonds in a pile of garbage (sorry for being blunt again).
My friend told me to tell him that I do not want to loose him completely or let him suffer in silence. She adviced to stay close but only as friend (no kiss, no touch etc.).
Dear Dafne, how do you stay close to this guy if he doesn’t want to talk to you about anything substantial? The only way to stay close to him is to agree to have sex with him. There are no other options, I am afraid.
I am sorry you’re suffering so much, Dafne, and that this longing for a man is ruining your health too. But being with this man and agreeing to his conditions would ruin you even more. It would break your heart.
So please don’t put yourself in a situation where there is a 100% chance of your heart being broken. Instead, try to focus on your healing, on filling the void in your heart that was created by your father’s coldness and absence. And then you’ll be able to attract the man who truly loves you and respects you.
TeeParticipantHi Adam,
I have thought about some of what I said today. I honestly did do a lot of fun stuff as a child and at times that kid does come out. I remember when we went looking for shells together and I was like a little kid then, however she did bring that out at the time.
I am a bit of a goof I realised as well, especially in public. I am not afraid of making a fool out myself and looking stupid, I think all my partners have enjoyed this about me and seen I have a playful side. However I do still have that calm and balanced side.
This seems like you’re pretty balanced. You have a playful, even goofy side, and you’re not afraid to show it. Which means you’re not too uptight. But you also have a responsible, planning adult side, which is also super important in life. So it doesn’t seem to me you’re missing playfulness or spontaneity.
I have always been a bit pedantic as well as a planner. I think I do relax and enjoy it but I also keep in the back of my mind that there is always more to achieve, however I am easily pleased and satisfied. I would say I think of the next goal but I donāt calculate how to get there straight away.
Again, this seems pretty balanced to me. It’s not a problem to be pedantic and planner, as long as you can also relax and enjoy from time to time. It’s not like you’re never pleased with your achievements and are pushing yourself from more, from the place of never being good enough.
I am quite sarcastic with my partners and just in general. To me itās a way of being playful. I tend to innocently tease a bit as well, which has caused my partners needing reassurance at times because of their insecurities. Like that time I brought up how she rolls over and turns away from me in bed, I teased her slightly saying I donāt care but I think itās cute. However it got taken the wrong way.
Can you give me an example of a sarcastic comment you made? Because innocently teasing and sarcastic is not the same thing. When innocently teasing, we don’t have a bad intention, we don’t want to hurt the person. It’s like we love and accept them, but we might notice a feature of theirs where they are lacking, and we playfully tease them about it. Like when you told her she’s not good with reading directions, to which she got offended. I think that was innocent teasing and no bad intention on your part.
In the situation when she rolled over in bed, perhaps she was extra sensitive because sex triggered her trauma. So your innocent (perhaps a little careless) remark did hurt her. But again, you didn’t say it with bad intention, did you? You just remarked something to which she was super sensitive.
Being told by your partner that you ātreat them like sh*tā is heartbreaking. I was almost numb to some of the stuff she said. I remember one time she told me she deserves to be with someone who actually wants her. This was all because I turned a light off before we made out. All these things add up and upsets me how I was mistreated and misunderstood. No matter what I did it was outweighed by the ālittle thingsā.
Oh I am really sorry. You didn’t mean anything bad by turning off the light, but she attacked you so strongly, accusing you unfairly. That must have been tough. It’s one more proof of how abused you were in that relationship, and that it’s a great thing you broke up.
Similar to my father my mother said, not too excited but not unsatisfied. My Mum compares me a lot to my Dad.
Ever since I was a child I have been a huge day dreamer, excessive at times. I noticed my Father had similar mannerisms to my own when I day dream, maybe he does too. I have never spoken to him about it
What do you notice on your father, which reminds you of yourself? What kind of mannerisms?
“Not too excited but not unsatisfied” isn’t necessarily a bad thing. It can be someone who has a peaceful nature and is more self-contained. Do you think that you showing emotions as a child (say huge excitement about something) wasn’t greeted well by your father? Or maybe you wanted to emulate him, and so you tried to be calm and “poised” like him?
I didnāt feel alone anymore than a normal kid would I think. I just had desires for a partner from an early age, ever since my first crush. Gaming is like my down time and relaxation. Itās also a social thing for me now as Iāve gotten older as most my friends also game. So during the relationship I obviously lost that a bit which I was fine with. But it was almost as if when things got hectic, I just wanted to game. Usually this meant alone.
I understand… it’s a way for you to unwind and sometimes self-soothe. But it’s not an addiction. It’s more that when things got hectic in your relationship, and I guess she was criticizing you and putting unreasonable demands on you, you just wanted to escape that and spend some time with yourself, doing what you like: gaming.
The thought of one person for the rest of my life honestly scared me a bit at first until I met this girl.
Ever since I was young Iāve longed for a real partner.
Okay, that’s interesting. On one hand, you’ve been longing for a loving partner since you were young. On the other, you were also scared about it. So I guess there was still something that caused you to both long and fear being in a loving relationship? Do you know what that might be?
My friend told me to look at my ex in comparison to my Mother saying, āwould she ever end up being the woman your mother is?ā. And heās right she wouldnāt be I donāt think. Iām saying this because I was trying to think of āmy typeā and I struggle with this, along with what I actually liked about all my exes. I feel like my type is someone like my Mother, someone who is caring, respectful, rational, loving, responsible and hard working just to name a few things.
That’s nice that you think of your mother so highly.
In saying all of this I do get very attached to almost anyone who I think is attractive and gives me attention. I think of compatibility early on and get high hopes for the future.
Yeah, so it might mean that you didn’t receive enough attention in your childhood, or not the kind of attention you wanted? Perhaps your mother was kind and loving, but perhaps she was comparing you to your father a lot and you felt unseen? I am just throwing ideas here, since I really have no clue what happened. Please don’t get offended if I suggest some outlandish idea – I am trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together and help you, if I can.
TeeParticipantHey SereneWolf,
I mean youāre right but I think itās also could be like Iām not someone who mostly misses someone? Not even people who are really close to me, But I do miss my cat maybe thatās why? Because itās kind of a dysregulation?
Yeah sure, that’s what I meant: you were/are feeling down because you are missing your cat. And that’s what makes you more susceptible to overeating (which is a form of misguided self-soothing and self-regulation). We feel comforted when we eat, and you needed comfort, so it’s kind of logical…
And I accept that she did gave me like a good emotional relief so now Iām like should I find a new gf and cuddle her? Just for that emotional relief you knowā¦But I know itās not a proper fix.
Haha… no. If caring about your cat and petting her gave you emotional relief, you should find a new cat, not a new girlfriend š
Also good news is that since my Neighbour (If you remember I play with her kid) rescued a cat and told me that I can have her as long as I want, It does making me feel little better but still making me miss her more.
That’s nice of your neighbor, but perhaps you need a little more time before adopting another cat?
And yup as you guessed Iām overeating and even (like the most time) to not overthink while eating I started watching anime or movie while having my meals.
Usually when we watch TV while eating, we end up eating more, because we don’t really pay attention to food and our sense of being satiated. Is this your experience too? Btw, are you binge eating on healthy food or comfort food, if I may ask?
Well she does asks me if Iām stressed about something or not, because they think one of the reason people are skinny is that theyāre stressed. And also, sheās not much aware about modern mental health things (Americans have like hundreds of them and like each trait have a name)
Right… well, it’s still primarily your physical looks/well-being that she is interested in. Because she notices that you’re skinny, and so she asks if you’re stressed. Maybe she is interested in your emotional well-being too. But to be honest, based on what you told me about your childhood, I don’t think your mother had/has a real interest in your emotional well-being. Because when you were exposed to your father’s rage attacks, she would tell you to tolerate it and not make a fuss about it. So that’s not really emotionally supportive.
So because of that I didnāt had like healthy fats and mostly pure vegetarian for a very long time, Iād be eating mostly green vegetables, No milk or even rice because I thought it makes people fat and because years of misconception my body just adapted it like that. So thatās what Iām trying to change.
Oh so you were basically vegan! That’s tough, I tried it once, and it was too much for me. I would be fine being a vegetarian, I don’t really need meat. But I do need dairy products, so veganism is not for me.
Haha okay so even for this Iām somewhat responsible, Because we did talk deep level things and she did asked me about the way I am and you know that she likes my āCalmā so I did tell her very clearly that itās all self-awareness and mindfulness. So she got more interested about self-improvement and stuff so
Cool… But one thing to keep in mind is that a part of your “calmness” is suppressing your anger, right? I mean, you appear calm in front of people, but inside you might be boiling. That’s a very useful skill (control of emotional reactions), and I guess you developed it by mindfulness? But on the log run, the goal is to heal some of that anger, so that you don’t feel so threatened and afraid of judgment in social situations.
Hmm I see, So a question, so as human beings do we always try to fulfil other people that weāre good at? If so, Why is this drive?
Yes, we are attracted to people who possess the qualities we don’t, or which we might have suppressed. So if you are calm (or at least seem calm) and detached, and she is too emotionally reactive, your calmness and poise is what might have attracted her to you. So what we believe we miss, we look for in others. Or for example, the person who is shy and lacks self-esteem might be attracted to someone who is self-confident and extroverted.
I guess so yeah.. They visited me this weekend with both of my siblings. And so far this time he didnāt even compared this time.
That’s good! He might have sensed that you’re fragile and sad, due to your cat’s death, and so he was behaving himself. Or perhaps even your mother told him to behave himself…
I guess because I never had that in my childhood and only criticism so now itās just hard to trust what people say
I understand… you believe everybody is like your father or grandfather. Or maybe like your mother, who wasn’t always honest with you? (You did say you don’t like when people act kind to you, only to get something from you. And I think you mentioned your family in that context too.) So you might have a really bad model there: the people closest to you either being very judgmental, or not being honest (not having the purest intentions) when they praised you?
It means should I believe in positive feedback? If so how youād determine what to let in or let out
Well, we need to have discernment of course. But if you hear the same praise from more people, that should tell you it’s most probably true. If you cannot accept compliment at all, that’s a sign that the inner critic has the upper hand.
Also just a side note, Are you working from home? I found this from a LinkedIn post, and it says whenever youāre working always play a Instrumental/LoFi music that you likeā¦ and I think itās actually helping me focus more and somewhat in better mood and less anxious as well.
Actually, listening to music while working would distract me, but if it helps you focus and be less anxious – cool, go for it!
TeeParticipantHi Adam,
I do feel as the finishing piece would be to have a loving long term partner who understands me. I have been successful in a lot of other ways and completed lots of goals of mine already at a reasonable age. Ever since I was young Iāve longed for a real partner.
Right, I see. Yeah, love and career are two major parts of our life. You’ve got your career sorted out, you say you’ve achieved many of your goals. And now you’d like to find a loving partner, someone to settle down and share your life with.
It’s interesting you’ve been longing for a real partner since you were young. Have you felt alone a lot in your childhood? You don’t have to answer, but I think it could be significant. You also say gaming was your “escape” (both in your childhood and now). Escape from what, if you don’t mind me asking?
I donāt feel like Iāve been a spontaneous person at all, Iām a lot more about planning and calculating
Planning is not a bad feature at all. It’s very necessary if we want to achieve goals. And you have achieved a lot of your goals. You’ve also earned enough money to buy a house. All excellent things.
As for spontaneity, I look at it like a season that adds flavor to your meal. For example, you plan a great trip and prepare for every eventuality, but then once you’re at the location, you allow yourself to enjoy, perhaps explore some hidden paths and new vistas, decide on a whim to visit a secret bay… in short, you’re in the moment and enjoying it. So I think the combination of planning and preparing on one hand, and being able to be in the moment and enjoy – is the “winning combination”.
So perhaps the question is: once you’ve reached your goal (either a tourist goal or in terms of your career), can you relax and enjoy it? Or you’re already thinking of the next goal and calculating how to get there?
I am a landscaper by trade so I enjoy the outdoors and gardening. We did lots of terrariums and indoor planting together which was really fun to do as a couple so I will continue do so myself.
That sounds like something that sparked joy in you. It might be a passion worth exploring? It’s a good idea to continue doing on your own and see how you like it…
I think her passion for her craft really intrigued me. She was into crystals, chakras etc and I never have been a spiritual person like that. I found it interesting but not convincing. I think this was also a big difference for her. She read into a lot of things because of her knowledge on chakras etc and I think this is where comments like āyour body is rejecting mineā came from. In saying that I admired how much she really enjoyed making necklaces etc.
Yeah, you said she spent hours and hours, till deep into the night, making those necklaces. That’s probably when she was “in the flow” – completely consumed by what she was doing, enjoying every moment of it, and feeling like the time has stopped. Do you have some activity like that, where you forget about time and you “lose yourself” while doing it?
As for her spirituality, it could have been a double-edged sword, because it might have led her to try to heal on her own, without professional help. Whereas for trauma survivors (specially if it was sexual trauma), it is super important to get proper therapy. Not necessarily CBT but somatic therapies. Because I believe you can’t heal trauma just by using crystals and chakra healing.
So it was wrong of me to push her? Or it was wrong of me to expect that pushing her would start the change?
Okay I do understand what you are saying. I expected her to change and thought my efforts would make it happen?The last one is the closest: “I expected her to change and thought my efforts would make it happen.” Yes, you wanted her to be a more stable person, with some adult goals, that are compatible with your goals. So you definitely wanted to see her changed. But she wasn’t showing any willingness to change. Or perhaps she didn’t want to change in the way you wanted her to.
And then your mistake was to push her and expect things of her. Later you stopped pushing openly, but you were still hoping that with enough patience and understanding on your side, she would start changing. Your intention and vision for her was to see her changed, and you got fixated on it. Whereas the healthy response would have been to let her go.
I am slowly realizing it wasnāt my destiny and I think I always knew this. I think if she stuck around and didnāt leave so much I wouldāve felt more destined with her. I think if someone pushes through those tough times with me and shows me they can change and want too then I get that destined feeling. However Iāve never had that, only glimpses with her.
Yeah, her reflex reaction (and perhaps a manipulation tactic) was to leave whenever she didn’t like something. But again, your insisting that she should change (and staying with her) while she didn’t want to change – that was the problem.
I ended up telling her she was getting blocked just out of courtesy but i donāt think she really cared. However I told her she can reach out in the future if she wants to share stories one day. I donāt think she will but I will be in a better spot by then.
Good that you blocked her! When you told her she can reach out in the future, do you mean by email? Or that you’ll unblock her after some time?
It gets me thinking about my past exes and relationships. I always have a soft spot for my past women itās almost a comfort thing.
Have you stayed friends with your exes?
One of the things that really stuck with me is how she said we are morally different. For example Her morals would be to drop everything to be there for me. Yet she wasnāt. She claimed it was bare minimum because she wants me and needs me and that I should also want to be there for her.
You said it was always one-sided: you were supposed to drop everything for her and also to have understanding for her feelings and her mood swings. But she didn’t understand your feelings – you weren’t supposed to talk about it. As you said, it was a double standard. It was all about her and her needs. Whenever you expressed your needs, you were blamed for it.
Another bare minimum for me was fighting for what you want and she never did that. The fact that it was always me fighting, writing poems, letters, offering comfort and never receiving any from her shouldāve been my wake up call and it almost is now. I deserve someone who wouldāve done the same for me as I did for them.
Yes, the relationship was one-sided: you invested all this energy in her, and it was never enough. She was just taking andĀ demanding even more.
A relationship shouldn’t be so unbalanced and one-sided. So that should be your big clue for the future.
May 22, 2023 at 8:50 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #419075TeeParticipantDear Dafne,
I am fine, thank you. I do have some health issues, but I am managing, so it’s okay.
Youāve been so helpful again! I really like your suggestions for the vision of a dream man and also the example text you created
I am happy it helped you! Have you perhaps written your own version of your “dream man”?
Tee, you were right about this last man. Unfortunately, it got even worst than I expected. Iāve sent him the text 3 days ago and till now he did not reply at all! (left me on seen).
Sorry about that, Dafne. Sadly, I knew it would most likely turn out like that. He really isn’t interested in more than sex, that’s why he is not replying.
I canāt believe it. Iām not even worth a simple reply.
Oh you are so worth it! Only he is an inconsiderate, selfish man.
All the promises written in the sand. I was so wrong about him. I thought he is suffering after his divorce and needs time. Now I can see that he has not even the smallest decency to be a man and reply.
Yeah, I think he actually doesn’t know how to say it politely that he isn’t interested in going out with you and dating you properly. That’s why it’s easier for him to stay silent. He believes you’ll figure it out from his silence that he isn’t willing to give you what you’re hoping for…
As for his promises, it was just something he said to make you come to his place. Remember he said he’s only willing to go to the exhibition with you if you first come to his place. So all those “promises” served one goal: to get you to sleep with him.
My friend suggested to give him a final call in few days to have a closure but Iām not sure if asking for reasons over the phone is a good idea? Also meeting him at his workplace might seem like too much.
I don’t think calling him is necessary. If he picks up, he’ll probably try to manipulate you once again to come to his place. You don’t need to know his reasons – what you need to know is that he isn’t willing to have a serious relationship with you. That’s all you need to know. And he was very clear about that. And yes, if you go see him at his work place, he might view it as too intrusive (and it is, in fact). So no, please don’t contact him, don’t ask for explanations, don’t seek him out. Let him go.
Also, my friend found his profile on the dating site so I guess he is busy with other women. I believe that they are more easy going & carefree than me so it makes him more interested
Yes, he is seeking women who are more willing to have casual sex with him.
He told me that he is not looking for anything serious but on the webpage it says that he is not sure yet. Might be a way to attract more women?
Yes, that’s a bait. It’s rare that a woman would want to get involved with someone who from the get-go tells her he only wants her for sex. By being vague about it, he is increasing his chances to meet someone who would give him what he wants.
Maybe the sexual compatibility is more important to him than getting to know someone as a person first. Maybe thatās how the relationships start nowadays and I was not aware of it.
I don’t think sexual compatibility is what he is interested in, unless he is into kinky stuff, which he would have indicated on his profile. He is interested in plain old sex (sorry to be so blunt about it), i.e. in a woman who is willing to give it to him. That’s all. No mystery there.
And no, relationships shouldn’t start with checking each other’s sexual compatibility, because I believe that if two people love and care for each other, sex will come naturally. In other words, there is a high probability that they will be sexually compatible. It is the personalities that need to be compatible first and foremost.
Tee, how is it that some women go easily for casual sex and it turns into a committed relationship? And women who wait with sex are ghosted in the end?
Maybe they don’t go for casual sex, but fall in love and have sex pretty early on. And if they’re lucky, it’s a good guy and things progress into a committed relationship. I think it’s not that frequent that a woman is “cool” about having casual sex and doesn’t develop feelings. There are some women like that, but they are not the majority.
As for women who wait with sex, it depends how long one wants to wait. If she wants to wait till marriage – it has to be consensual. She has to communicate it with her partner. But if she wants to wait for a few months, or whatever time she needs to properly get to know the guy – that’s not an unreasonable expectation.
I think the worst is if the woman feels pressured to have sex, even though she isn’t ready for it and doesn’t want it. If you feel pressured by the guy or modern societal “norms”, and your heart isn’t in it, you shouldn’t do it.
Is there any way to know when is the best moment to start being physical with a man (and avoid being ghosted)? Some coaches say that it is not about sex on the 1 or 2 date but the emotional attraction you created before it happened. But how is it that those women create the bond so fast?
I agree that emotional bond is important. As I said above, what happens frequently is that the woman falls in love and is eager to enter sexual relationship too. If the woman is relatively emotionally healthy and can recognize a good guy, then chances are she won’t be disappointed and things will turn out just fine.
But if the woman has issues (e.g. emotional wounds), she might be attracted to problematic guys. So she falls in love with the guy, enters a sexual relationship with him and is eager about him, believing that he is “the one”. But the guy is actually trouble and doesn’t feel the same about her. Maybe the guy is just using her, or isn’t emotionally available and cannot really give her the love she is longing for. But she is in love with him and suffering…
What I am trying to say is that a lot of times when you think that someone created an “emotional bond” very fast, it can be that this emotional bond is one-sided, where only the woman has deep feelings and hopes for a long-term, committed relationship. While the guy is not that enthusiastic at all and sees the relationship more casually. (Of course, this can be vice versa: in some cases, the guy is the one with a deeper attachment, while the woman is flaky and avoidant). Real love requires two-sided emotional bond…
It is all a big mystery to meā¦
Yeah, there are no hard and fast rules. The best advice I can give you is to work on your healing, so you can recognize a good, decent guy, whose goals are compatible with yours. The more you respect yourself, the less likely it is that you’d tolerate lesser treatment and men trying to take advantage of you.
I regret that I let him be more than a friend. I was hoping that it might change something between us but it didnāt.
Be satisfied with yourself that you didn’t fall for his manipulation and slept with him. You weren’t really friends either – as he wasn’t interested to get to know you as a person. So the little that happened between the two of you cannot break your heart because you wisely decided not to give yourself to this guy. You decided well!
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