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Dear Weiword,
I believe the best way for children to have a healthy attitude to life, where they feel empowered and able to go after their goals and dreams, is by proper upbringing. It starts from a very early age, where the child is loved, appreciated, seen, validated, encouraged… If so, the child will develop a healthy personality and won’t be prone to flawed beliefs and theories like pre-planned destiny and similar.
TeeParticipantDear lk09,
you left him a really loving message here, it shows you care a lot about him and his well-being. But at the same time, you’re right not to reach out again and repeat the same cycle… he needs to be willing to help himself first.
At home, nobody is asking for my consent anymore. They didn’t ask if my relationship with him ended or not, they are like since the choice was between my sister and this unknown man… Obviously our daughter will choose her sister and so they started telling me about different boys suitable for arrange marriage.
Have you told you parents you’re not interested in an arranged marriage but want to marry out of love? In one of the previous posts you said that you kept your relationship secret from your family:
we never did even have a chance to live how normal couples do, with love and without worries of what our families would do if they knew we are still dating.
I know you were on and off, so I guess that was one of the reasons you kept it a secret. But still, perhaps there’s a part of you that is afraid to claim the right to love whomever you want. I know it’s hard in the Indian society to love freely without being obliged to your family, but perhaps it’s time to stand up for yourself and claim your right to make mistakes on your path to finding true love. It’s very rare that we immediately find our companion for life, and we’ll trip over and experience heartbreak, but it doesn’t mean our parents know better and that arranged marriage is a better solution. It’s definitely not. So perhaps stand stronger in your determination that you don’t want arranged marriage and are capable of finding the right person for yourself, even if it takes more time and some trials and errors.
Regarding you being withdrawn and uncomfortable in a larger group:
I have difficulty enjoying myself with everyone as well. It is not just that I have difficulty sharing my mind with people, I have difficulty even enjoying myself in a group. I become awkward and I notice that people avoid my company as they feel I am too serious.
It’s possible that one feels awkward in a group, and can only truly open in 1-on-1 relationships, like you can. I am also like that, being much more comfortable in the company of one, max two people. This can be partly due to your personality, where you want to connect more deeply, better understand a person, listen to him/her, and create a deeper bond. And you’re not able to do that with many people at the same time, because you’re not the kind to like superficial chit-chat and just throwing around jokes.
However, if you feel truly uncomfortable and perhaps even judged by others while in a group situation, you should look at that, because there might be a self-esteem issue there and feeling not good enough.
TeeParticipantDear lk09,
I am sorry, I feel I might have contributed to his leaving by openly asking you if that was him. But I wouldn’t feel fine communicating with him, and at the same time keeping you in the dark about his crush, since I wasn’t sure if you knew about it. And I thought you should know, because it might have explained some of his behavior, like trying to get your sister’s approval. I thought you should be privy to this information. Well, later it turned out you already know all about it, which is good. It’s good you were honest and open with each other about those kinds of things.
I actually have a lot of compassion for him and know what it means to have low self-esteem, frequent crushes and addictive behaviors. Been there, done that. I am sorry he didn’t stay here… but at least he reached out, even for a short while. I do hope he seeks professional help, or re-joins the forum, because he’s suffering now, and there’s a way to stop his suffering. I hope he chooses to help himself…
TeeParticipantDear Kpd,
I started going on and off. I asked for breaks, break ups. I never could get sure into her, nor could I go away from her.
When i breakup with her, I see all the good things, I imagine and visualise good things, I value her and miss her. But when I start talking to her back, o get the stress and bad feelings about the bad part associated with, I get feeling less etc.
So when you’re close, something bothers you and you want to get away, and when you’re away, you miss her and want to get close again.
Can you explain a little about what bothers you when you’re close? What is the bad part, that causes you stress and bad feelings?
TeeParticipantDear noname,
I hear you – you feel that people are dismissing your problems and want to fix them, rather than hearing you compassionately and “sitting with you” in your pain. You say your therapist is good at doing that, but others, like your roommate, aren’t. It does seem to disturb you a lot, because it appears just having your therapist see you and validate you isn’t enough, but you’d need more people to do it. That’s why you need a support group too, which you’re afraid to attend to due to confidentiality issues.
Now, the practical side of me – the problem solver – would like to offer an advice to perhaps look at online support groups, rather than in-person ones, so not to compromise your anonymity in the city you live. It shouldn’t be a problem to find such a group, since I believe quite a few popped up since covid…
Perhaps you’re annoyed by this advice, and in general by people offering solutions, because there’s a part of you that doesn’t want to move on. Have you considered that? What would happen if you’d become successful in your career? Is there somewhere in you a fear of success, a fear of healing and moving beyond your past, which keeps you stuck in one place?
TeeParticipantDear Neverdyed,
alright, it’s a deal. You take care of yourself too!
TeeParticipantDear lk09,
I hear you and your concern about your sister’s aggressive, manipulative behavior all throughout your childhood and youth. It’s good that you’re aware of her abusive behavior and you don’t feel obliged to take it just because she’s your sister and you should “love each other”. It’s great that you’ve set some boundaries and aren’t allowing her to abuse you any longer.
It’s also very mature of you to try to talk to her about your ex and what exactly she holds against him. But she refused to detail, asking you to trust her, simply because she says so. Since she already informed your parents (and everybody else) about his crush on her, it’s probably true that she wasn’t trying to protect you, but she just behaved true to herself – telling you basically “just do as I say”. In fact, if she knew things about him (since they were in the same friends circle), it would have been only fair if she told you, specially since you asked her to be completely honest with you. So I see how she actually betrayed you here and didn’t act in your best interest.
In a recent post you wrote:
I don’t know how long we would have lasted if my sister didn’t interfere but I would have still dealt with it better than the mess she created with me, him, my family, and his family. I don’t think I can ever forgive her for that even if tomorrow someone else comes to my life, I know I can’t forgive her.
Well, regardless of how your sister behaved, she isn’t the only reason your relationship failed. She may have interfered and ratted him out, but it wasn’t what ruined your relationship. Rather, it was his insecurity, his addictions, his ambivalence. And his asking for her approval even if she was clear she would never grant it. If he were serious and dedicated to you, if he’d pulled his act together, she wouldn’t be able to stand in your way. But unfortunately, he wasn’t, and that’s why things ended the way they did…
TeeParticipantDear lk09,
good that you knew about his crush and could talk it through with him. I could see your sister’s reaction in a bit different light now, because she might have been concerned about you, to be in a relationship with someone who behaved rather foolishly with her, knowing that she was engaged. Perhaps she wasn’t motivated just by jealousy but also by real concern that you’re getting yourself into trouble with this volatile man. Has he apologized to her for his behavior? Has he done anything to mend the situation and assure her that he has serious intentions with you and something similar won’t happen again?
TeeParticipantDear lk09,
thank you for clarifying. If you have no problems him reading what you write, we can continue here, talking about your issues. And since he knows you’re posting here and might find his thread too, probably he’s okay with this setup. I would also like to hear Anita’s perspective on this.
I am glad you came to trust me and find my input, as well as Anita’s, valuable. I also think it’s great that you’ve started opening up more to your friends, in particular that one friend whom you trust and who told you she’d be there for you. That’s really important, and it’s a good plan.
You still seem to be seeking answers about your relationship and what it meant for him, and whether it was love or not:
I need to accept the fact that it wasn’t his confusion, I actually didn’t suit him or his situation.
Maybe It was all in my head…
It wasn’t all in your head, you definitely had a bond, but it was troubled. Don’t start thinking you didn’t mean anything to him, because you did, and here’s the proof:
I know he did love me and I know our situation wasn’t normal ever but he did try hard to work it out whenever I gave up.
Here you’re saying it was sometimes you who wanted to end it, but then he’d try to work it out still. Which means he was invested too, it wasn’t just you trying to keep him.
I think before we proceed, though, we should discuss the new element, which is that he had a crush on your sister. How much did you know about it? Have the two of you spoken about it openly? Because I think it would be important to talk it through so that it doesn’t burden the relationship additionally…
TeeParticipantDear noname,
I feel the need for another, not necessarily a partner just another person or people to hold space for my grief. The isolation is my biggest enemy. And I’m tired of being told it’s my fault I feel this way, i just need to change my perspective or do this or that.
When we’ve been so emotionally deprived as children, as you have been, we get stuck and identify completely with our wounded inner child, and it feels really difficult to get out of it. It’s like trying to pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps. The wounded child needs a compassionate adult to help it process its hurt and get unstuck. This compassionate adult is often a therapist, who can offer mirroring, compassion and understanding to the person, and help the person grieve their losses – everything they haven’t received from their parents and all the pain they had to live through.
With the help of a therapist, you’ll learn how to slowly disidentify from your wounded inner child and see also the adult side in you, the side which is capable of e.g. helping others compassionately, like you are capable of. So strengthening your adult self – which is present but weak – would be very important, and then bringing the adult self into interaction with your wounded inner child, to give it the missing experience of being loved and cared for. That I see as a plausible way to healing.
Do you have a therapist with whom you can do the inner child work?
TeeParticipantDear lpkR09,
I think you should read and listen to the person without judgement as for disclosing similarities, it is someone who has a tough time opening to people. So, I feel I should refrain from speaking about that other thread. Any story which has been lived by two people, obviously has two sides is all I can say at the moment and both parties should get a non-judgemental hearing and unbiased help.
alright, it’s most probably your boyfriend then. If this were therapy, which it isn’t, it would be unethical for a therapist to work with both parties in the couple separately. Only acceptable would be couple therapy. That’s because of confidentiality issues. But okay, this isn’t therapy. Does he know you’re posting on this forum as well?
Please know, I am in no way judgmental towards either of you, would be glad to help if possible, but I think it would be important that both of you know that the other is sharing here, and to agree how to go about it. How open can both of you be if you know the other might be reading? So for me, it would be important that I don’t need to pretend that it’s not him, but that I can speak openly.
TeeParticipantDearlpkR09,
I don’t know if this is a coincidence, or the Indian man Dpk, who in the meanwhile changed his profile name to Kpd, is actually your boyfriend?? Because his story is incredibly similar to yours – in all of its elements, only seen from his perspective. It would also explain why he is so obsessed with getting your sister’s approval. This man, Kpd, had a crush on the older sister and expressed it to her (while under the influence of alcohol) even though he knew she was engaged at the time. After several months he realized he didn’t like her at all because she was bossy and dominating, and even started detesting her. About 6 months later he started dating her younger sister. The older sister created a “ruckus”, for his unethical behavior, and turned all his friends against him. They all started saying it was wrong of him to pursue the younger sister. He started feeling guilty, asking for breaks in the relationship, and now recently has broken up with her for good.
If this is your boyfriend who’s asking for help here, that’s fine, however it would be important that that’s cleared – whether it’s him or not.
TeeParticipantDear Ilyana,
so good to hear you’re doing well and that your cognitive abilities have improved compared to a month ago. I think you have the right attitude to healing, you’re taking it slowly, having lots of compassion for yourself, not judging yourself, and making small but definite steps every day on your journey to healing. And that you’ve regained hope – which is so important!
I am really happy to read about your progress and your healthy attitude, and am rooting that MRI show no physical damage. It’s very promising that you’re experiencing improvement in your cognition, which means there’s probably no physical damage.
TeeParticipantDear noname,
I believe there are two ways you could feel loved: 1) one is by giving love to your inner child (being the compassionate parent to your wounded inner child), and 2) if No1 isn’t working because you’re unable to give any love to yourself whatsoever and cannot be a loving parent to your inner child, you could ask God to fill you with love.
Are you religious, noname? Pleading God to fill me with his love is what helped me to get that first “dose” of love and nurturance, which filled my heart and allowed me to start loving myself, little by little. Opening myself to the love of divine parents is what helped me cross that bridge to loving myself.
April 13, 2021 at 12:15 pm in reply to: trying to live with unrelenting shame (maybe I should kill myself) #377622TeeParticipantDear ninibee,
I can remember at the time thinking if I had someone to share my goals/projects/achievements with that I would be more motivated in life. For much of my life, I have been solely motivated by getting attention (or connection)
You know how children always shout “Mom, watch me!”, or “Dad, watch me!” when they’re proud of some achievement of theirs, be it a jump in the water, or walking on the rope, or whatever they may be proud of themselves. The child is always keen on getting the parents’ affirmation of their skills and abilities. The child loves to be good at things and also to get the parents’ praise.
But if you felt from a very early age that your mother isn’t even interested in you, that she finds you “icky” or repulsive, it wouldn’t be surprising that you later didn’t care about her seeing your success and giving you praise either. You wouldn’t be motivated to want anything from her, when she rejected you from the start. As a consequence, you wouldn’t be motivated to achieve anything in your life either, because what’s the point – there’s no one who cares to see it. Do you think this could have been the case?
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