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Dear Murtaza,
to answer your question, i do think that i might did this whole thing to escape feeling bad,
okay, so you see (or potentially acknowledge) that you’re not created differently, in a way that guarantees misery, but that you’ve come up with a belief system which tells you you’re a victim of bad programming. When it’s much more likely that you are a victim of bad upbringing…
but this whole thing is based on truths, mostly, unless i get sneaky and use my own definitions
It is based on the truth of life as you experienced it. But did you know that the child’s neocortex (the thinking part of the brain) starts developing only at the age of 2, when we start speaking. Before that time, the child cannot think rationally, it can only absorb impulses and sensations from the environment, and can only feel: pleasant vs unpleasant, expanding vs contracting, warm vs cold, anxiety vs calm. Mom’s face smiling vs mom’s face sad/angry. Mom caressing me vs mom hitting me.
For the entire 2 years the child just feels and absorbs like a sponge, and only later it starts giving meaning to the experience. So if a child is born into a violent home, his basic experience of life is that of anguish, anxiety, coldness, harshness, terror. Such child starts thinking that the entire world is a hostile and dangerous place. He/she bases his conclusions on his personal experience, which he sees as the entire truth.
So when you say, it’s the truth – yes, it’s your truth. And it started first in your bones and tissues, not in your mind. It started with negative bodily and emotional experiences, and only after that you made a conclusion, with your rational mind, about yourself and the world.
im not just emotion (your claim that i did this whole thing for the only one goal), there is a mind that think and value things (truth),
Definitely, you’re not just emotions. But I’ve just explained, and it’s backed by neuroscience, how it all starts with emotions and bodily sensations, with the so-called “felt sense”. We build our “truth” i.e. our perception of reality based on those very visceral experiences. Luckily, it’s possible to change those early emotional/bodily imprints, so that they don’t define our adult lives. That’s what healing is all about….
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TeeParticipantDear Ilyana,
good to hear from you. It’s interesting and may even be a good sign that you had somewhat of a manic episode, where you’ve livened up and started having romantic feelings. This hasn’t happened since your son was born, so perhaps it means something positive. It may mean you’re feeling hope again that things can be different in your life:
it also reminded me what it feels like when someone actually likes you and wants to talk to you. If I am going to be in a relationship, I need to feel that way sometimes, and I can see that that is not an unreasonable desire.
You’re also aware of your deeper need:
I miss feeling seen and valued and like someone actually has a bit of faith in me.
You’ve never received that from your mother – she was so consumed with hating your father that she sacrificed your emotional well-being for that. She sacrificed her own health too. For a long time during childhood, you believed your father rejected you and doesn’t want to have anything to do with you. You felt unlovable and unworthy. No wonder you have the need to feel loved and seen and valued. During the depressive phase, I guess you give up the hope that this would ever be possible, and during the manic phase, it seems this hope reawakens.
You say your husband is emotionally unresponsive, and yet you married him. Could it be because at least he wasn’t so obsessed with hating other people like your mother was? Perhaps his lack of emotions felt better than having strong negative emotions all the time, like your mother did?
It could be that your choice of husband was a reaction to your mother, a way to protect yourself from emotional abuse. But it’s not good enough, because you don’t want to live without emotional expression altogether.
The solution would be the same that we’ve talked about in the beginning of this thread – to give yourself the love and appreciation you’re hoping to get from others. Easier said than done, I know… What are you working on in your therapy at the moment? How are you progressing with self-love and self-compassion?
TeeParticipantDear Ben,
I am glad you realized that there’s nothing fundamentally wrong with you, and that it was your upbringing that resulted in certain limitations that you may have – limitations that can be fixed though.
My stress and fear are still here, as are all of my oddities and inhibitions.
What are you afraid of most at present? What do you feel most inhibited about?
Itās hard to pin down exactly what Iām searching for. I know that thereās more in my past that can explain my present. But explaining it and actually fixing it are two different things.
True, they are two different things, but if you know what caused a certain pattern of behavior, it will be easier to transform it. For example, you mentioned your fear of confrontation. It might have been caused (and you might already be guessing it) by your parents never having had a confrontation, and then once they did have one, it resulted in a divorce. Conclusion: confrontation is dangerous and leads to irreparable damage. Just as an example…
Iām having an anxious morning today, and it has brought with it a strong dose of ānothing can fix youā. I should pause until this mood passes.
That’s a very good attitude – you have a lot of self-awareness to know that “nothing can fix you” is not the entire truth. It’s a reaction of the anxious part, but there’s more to you than the anxious part. So when you ask “What do I do now?”, my first suggestion is to keep practicing what you’re already doing: pause and take a break when the inner critic starts judging you. Don’t trust the inner critic, don’t identify with him. Step back and tell yourself “there’s more to the story than this”. So keep things in perspective, don’t judge yourself – would be my first suggestion.
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
I am glad that you’re aware of the two parts inside of you – one that is overthinking and keeps you stuck in a loop, and the other who wants to make progress and advance.
I even tried learning to draw cartoons on weekends to feel some achievement. And yeah it felt good.
That’s great, I am happy for you! Just keep trying out new things, things that are fun and that you enjoy. Keep stretching yourself and your limits, every day a little bit. It doesn’t have to be some big accomplishment, but small things.
The only thing i can do right now is by not posting anything on instagram, i even track my record to feel calmerā¦.. iāve achieved 18 days without posting and every time i see that record i feel very calm.
Even that is an achievement, Felix. You haven’t been posting for 18 days, you’re sort of exercising your willpower not to post. It’s like flexing a muscle š And it makes you feel good and calm… it’s a good strategy, I believe.
Actually the past mistakes that iām only thinking right now is about that instagram stories, i used to post stuffs that end up embarrassing myselfā¦. i did that only to attract that girl (the girl who confesses to me but told me not to wait for her)ā¦. and now after failing to get herā¦.. my brain feels that i did something wrongā¦.. that im embarrassing myself to 300 people who viewed my instagram stories only to get her attentionā¦. and in the end, it didnt work out with her. Like i lost on both sides.
There are two parts activated in you when you reflect upon this story: one is the healthy part who sees that your behavior (bragging) wasn’t the best, since it was motivated by an unmet need for love and approval, specially for being liked by that girl. It’s a self-reflective part, who says “this was inappropriate but I didn’t know better at the time. So I forgive myself. From now on, I’ll try to do better.” This is the part who wants to make progress, learn from his mistakes, and grow as a person. This is also the part who wants to draw cartoons, I believe š
And then there’s another part, who uses whatever “unsettled problem” you have to keep you stuck in a mental loop, obsessively thinking about it. As I said, I believe this part is protecting you from potential failure, by preventing you from trying anything new. It’s an internal saboteur.
When you hear its voice, you can notice to yourself: “Ah, this is the protector. He’d like me to stay stuck because he’s afraid I am a failure. He thinks he’s protecting me, but he’s in fact holding me back. When I listen to him, I am paralyzed and unable to move on. I am accusing myself all the time and my thoughts drive me crazy. I don’t want that any more. I want to advance and thrive, I want to try out new things. Therefore I am choosing not to listen to this paralyzing voice at this moment. I am choosing to experience something new. I am making a space in my mind and heart for a new experience. I am open to a new experience.”
This is just a suggestion, you can use your own words of course. If you feel like trying it, let me know how it went…
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TeeParticipantDear Ilyana,
how are you? Have you managed to get into the residential treatment program you hoped for?
TeeParticipantDear Javier,
I am sorry about your mother. You said earlier she is blaming herself, and that’s one of the reasons why she had a mental breakdown:
Sheās feeling guilty and is blaming herself. Iām ruining her. I just want to hug her and ask for forgiveness and tell her how much I love her.
Did she tell you why she’s blaming herself? Because after all, she is responsible for allowing the domestic abuse to happen for the first 5 years of your life. She allowed it due to her own weaknesses, and the result is her deeply wounded son. I am not saying she is the only one to blame – far from that – but simply that there is a basis for that guilt, in my opinion.
If you see her entirely as a victim, and yourself as a villain who ruined her life, you’re not helping yourself, neither are you helping your mother. Can you accept that you’re not responsible for your mother’s unhappiness, and that it started much earlier than you were even born?
TeeParticipantDear Ben,
you’re welcome. This seems to be a new perspective for you, one that is different from your view of yourself so far. Take as much time as you need to process it. Looking forward to hearing more from you when you’re ready.
- This reply was modified 3 years, 5 months ago by Tee.
June 8, 2021 at 1:15 am in reply to: I do not know if I just want to be heard or need some feedback/advice #381183TeeParticipantAnd I think this is so beautiful and a testament to your healing:
Now, I say that āhome is within me; it is all the places, people, and memories I have made across the world.ā
You can now see it from a different perspective, appreciating what you had and the deep connections you’ve made, rather than mourning what you’ve “lost”. Truly precious…
June 8, 2021 at 12:39 am in reply to: I do not know if I just want to be heard or need some feedback/advice #381182TeeParticipantDear Kibou,
I am happy to read about your progress and lessons learned, and most of all, that you don’t suffer from the wound of abandonment, that you suffered from at the beginning of this thread. One of the topics we were discussing here was your tendency to rationalize pain and negative emotions. That’s why I am glad that you learned to approach your emotions differently:
I learned that all of my feelings were valid and justified.
I learned to name the emotions I am feeling.
I was able to see all of my strengths and other good traits, and not hide what I have to share in fear of hurting someone.
I learned to voice my needs (still practicing a lot). I learned to reach out for help.
I learned to say no. I learned that I was over-giving and hence the love I gave was not always āauthentic.ā (Sometimes it was more for my needs than others).
This is amazing. It seems to me that you’re healing not only your own trauma but also the trans-generational trauma. For example, you became aware of the pattern that you mother exhibited: over-giving, sometimes giving from the place of scarcity rather than abundance. Thanks to that, there’s less chance that you’ll be continuing this pattern in your own life and transfer it unconsciously onto your own children, should you have them.
I am really happy for you Kibou. I believe you’re a beautiful, gentle soul, with so much love and compassion for others. Now that you understand yourself better and are able to voice your emotions and needs better – I see how you can make so much good in the world, fighting in a balanced manner, from a place of abundance, for causes that are dear to your heart. I see a great potential in you, and a big, open heart, coupled with a big, bright smile š
I truly wish you all the best, Kibou, on your journey ahead <3
TeeParticipantDear Jack,
I accept theyāre sleeping together, I accept theyāre going out on dates, and thereās nothing I can nor will do about it, because at the end of the day, itās her choice whether she wants to leave him or not.
Iām actually half-expecting theyāll stick together, and sheāll probably tell me to back off ā which I will.
Other than all that, thereās nothing else I can do.
You seem to leave all the decisions to her – whether she wants to stay with her boyfriend and break it off with you, whether she decides to keep cheating on him once he leaves, or whatever other arrangement she may choose. It’s all on her, and “there’s nothing else you can do”.
In reality, you could do a lot of things, specially since you say you’re just playing it cool, but in fact it’s hard for you. Which means you do have feelings for her, you’re not just looking for something casual, even if that’s what you told her.
One problem, as I see it, is that you don’t want to appear vulnerable, so you’re pretending it’s fine with you, whatever she chooses. But what would happen if you’d actually show that it’s not the same for you? What would happen if you’d tell her to choose between the two of you, or you can’t be with her?
So what on Earth does she want?
What do you want, Jack?
TeeParticipantDear j,
since you didn’t have sex, there is no basis for him pressing any charges or considering you a rapist. None whatsoever. But in your mind, you feel guilty, exaggerate your responsibility and believe you deserve to be punished:
I feel as though I am not allowed to have friends if they donāt know what Iāve done. My first instinct is to isolate myself because thatās what I deserve. I feel like Iām not allowed to enjoy things because Iāve shown a pattern of problematic behavior and it would be wrong of me to feel happy. I know I did a bad thing, and I feel immense guilt and shame over it. Even now I feel like Iām making things sound less harmful to make myself look better and I worry Iām not reflecting properly.
You might have exhibited some problematic, rash behavior, under the influence of drugs and alcohol. However, when you say “I know I did a bad thing, and I feel immense guilt and shame over it“, you believe you actually coerced a man into having sex with you, which isn’t true at all. You even think that you’re trying to sound less harmful here on the forum, and that in reality, your misdeed was much bigger. So you’re having an unrealistic picture of what happened – you’re harshly accusing yourself of something you didn’t do.
That’s a part of your OCD, it seems – having a compulsion to confess things you haven’t done and feeling guilty for things you haven’t done.
This could be related to your childhood. Were you condemned a lot as a child, and often told that you’re guilty for various reasons?
TeeParticipantDear Ben,
my relationship with my parents is/was confusing.
Perhaps a part of the confusion is that they never fought, at least not in front of you, but once they had a fight, it resulted in a nasty divorce:
My parents divorced, loudly and hatefully, when I was a child. Itās something Iāve never faced down or fully processed.
The first time I saw them fight, it resulted in divorce. I donāt know what to make of any of this.
It seems you didn’t really form an emotional bond with either of your parents. It’s not a child’s fault, but the parents’ fault. It’s like you observe your parents from the outside, almost like two strangers, but don’t have any emotions towards them. You’re not angry or resentful – that’s not the reason why you never reached out to your father (or vice versa) or didn’t go to his funeral. Rather, it seems like the lack of emotional bonding.
Your father felt like a stranger to you. He probably showed minimal interest in you, he was physically present but emotionally absent. You said he drank a lot of beer – so he was probably a drunk already then, but a functional drunk – he went to work every day. But beyond that, he seems not to have been involved much in family life, nor in your upbringing. He had a relationship with the bottle, it seems, and there didn’t remain any interest in you.
Your mother was passive aggressive, you say. She didn’t dare to challenge his drinking openly, but would do “mean things” to him while he fell asleep drunk in front of the TV. If you never saw them fight, it means your mother must have suppressed her anger for 14 years, until she couldn’t any more. Maybe she disassociated from her pain, but she disassociated from you too? Maybe that’s why you couldn’t form a bond with her either?
When did she become religious fundamentalist? After the divorce? Because it seems that a “righteous” person wouldn’t tolerate a drunk and useless husband, unless she was taught to be obedient and look away?
As anita says, it seems there was a lot of emptiness, a lot of emotional neglect going on. Would you say this is true? Emotional neglect can be as devastating as emotional abuse (“sin” of omission vs commission…). Perhaps that’s why you’re confused, because there was no direct abuse, no one yelling at you and beating you up, and yet it felt abusive and hurtful, so much so that your “cup” was filled to 95% already in childhood. Does this sound true to you?
TeeParticipantDear Jack,
I am sorry things are complicated between you…
Have you talked about what’s going to happen with the two of you – is she going to leave him? How do you feel in this entire situation?
TeeParticipantDear Javier,
the neurotransmitter examination has basically proven that your stress level is very high, while the “feel good” hormones are very low. It’s good that you’ve been prescribed a medication and a dietary supplement to improve that. What about liver inflammation – will you be getting some medication for that?
I like how you sound in your reply to Sarah – much more positive than before:
But first and foremost, Iām working on myself, because I have felt dead inside for a long while, and itās unbearable
You have felt dead inside, but it seems you’re open to changing that, to start on the healing journey, step by step.
I need to āhealā myself, I need to conquer all my fears and get rid of my demons. Iām not responsible for my motherās pain and sorrows, but I can try to ease it.
Just take it slowly, you don’t need to conquer all your fears, at least not immediately. But you can be aware that some of your fears (of dying, of your mother dying) have to do with your childhood trauma, and so as you work on that, your fears will subside too.
Also, as I said, try to “unblend” from the helpless and desperate part (it seems you’ve managed to do it in your last two posts). Whenever your mind wants to go into the old program of “I feel dead inside. I feel useless and full of fears. Nothing makes sense. It’s all my fault.” — tell yourself that this is just one part of you. But it’s not the entirety of who you are. The other part wants to heal and get unstuck, wants to experience more than the dark hole that you’ve suffered from so far. And most importantly – this other part is capable of healing, of filling the dark hole with love, of feeling joy in life again!
We had a ācopingā session, where all incidents from my childhood were addressed and all thoughts and feelings were noted down and listed. For each negative incident, I had to note down a positive incident. This session was to remind me that not everything from my past was negative and awful and to remind and feed my subconscious mind with positive memories.
It’s good that you remembered that not everything in your childhood was negative. Last time you posted, you said that because of that session (I believe you meant that one?), you’re stuck in the past and are missing everyone from the past – basically, that remembering good moments from your childhood only caused you more pain. But I hope that was just temporary, and that you can cherish those positive experiences without them causing an even bigger pain. Try to remember the positive experiences as truly positive and be grateful for them, rather than regretting that you’re not young any more, thereby annulling the positive experience and adding it to the negative “bunch”.
By this week, I will start doing breathing exercises and mindfullness.
That’s great. Start gently, don’t force yourself. And please post how it is going, or whenever you feel you need some encouragement. I too am praying and rooting for you.
TeeParticipantDear Kate,
As a child, I was insecure of my looks and was made fun of or not treated well by other children at times. My parents really supported me but faced comments from my distant relatives.
It’s great that you have supportive parents, who don’t criticize you, either for your looks or otherwise. It appears your insecurity stems rather from being teased by other children, and by distant relatives making inappropriate comments. When the latter happened, how did your parents react? Did they reassure you that you’re fine and there’s nothing wrong with you?
Growing up, I have tried to work on myself to accept the way I am but my insecurities pop up at times.
How is it nowadays with your insecurities? For example, do you see yourself not pretty enough, and due to that, in danger of being cheated on/abandoned by your boyfriend?
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