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Dear Murtaza,
I am sorry you had a bad experience with a therapist. What she told you doesn’t seem professional. Like when you complained about apathy, she told you you must forget about it and start caring. Not a good approach, I think. Instead, she should have explored the causes of apathy with you, rather than telling you to think positive.
thatās why i donāt like the idea of therapy, i donāt want anyone to advice me, no one is allowed to do that
I hear you. A good therapist doesn’t give advice, or only rarely, but rather helps the client come to their own conclusions. Helps them remove the obstacles to their happiness.
already watched hundred of videos on YouTube about mental health, all have the same themes āworkout, meditate, drink water etcā the same bullshit
The channel I suggested goes a bit deeper than that, but it’s true that it’s quite practical, it gives suggestions what to do to reduce anxiety, better regulate our emotions, better deal with depression etc. But if you want something really deep, which talks about childhood trauma and how it leads to our adult problems, specially addiction, watch Gabor Mate’s videos. He’s just released a 1,5 hour film, called “The Wisdom of Trauma”, and it’s free to watch until tomorrow. You can access it at wisdomoftrauma . com (without spaces).
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
I tried to contain that voice by telling my mind that i dont want to go back to square one, and i keep reminding myself that iāve succeeded in not posting for many days and counting and i tell to myself that itās already and achievementā¦ and i can be a little proud of myself. It did work in containing that voice, although sometimes i get distractedā¦ but i hope as time passes iāll be able to contain that voice better.
That’s great, Felix, that you’ve managed to contain that voice, and also that you feel much calmer nowadays, not seeking attention on instagram. And also, that you realize you have a few good friends, who like you for who you are, and that you don’t need to do anything to impress them. Those are all valuable insights and I am really happy for you.
It’s okay if you want to take care of your physical appearance. You may want to do some sports, or lift some weights to develop some musculature, or perhaps jog. Being healthy and fit is important, and a good goal to strive for. As long as it doesn’t put you in a competitive mode – like comparing yourself with other guys, putting yourself down for not being strong and muscular enough, or at the other extreme, bragging about your physique. So as long as it’s just something to keep you happy and healthy, and give you a healthy sense of accomplishment, by all means go for it. I am rooting for you!
TeeParticipantDear Murtaza,
I see youāre not too keen to work with a therapist, and not necessarily just because you donāt have money
oh really ? please tell me why on earth i would refuse a unconditional love, acceptance and compassionate
Because you said twice that you don’t want anything that requires “therapy or people”. You earlier said that you lost people – as in, you don’t really have close contacts with anybody except your sister. IfĀ I understood well, you only communicate with people online. All that lead me to believe that your rejection of working with a therapist might not be just about money. But I might be wrong about that.
you even know the amount of luck to find such female, if she even exist in iraq?
When I said that healing happens in the context of a relationship, I didn’t mean romantic relationship but a therapeutic one. Any good therapist is trained to give you the so-called unconditional positive regard, to have compassion and understanding for you, to be non-judgmental, to see you and validate you. We cannot expect our romantic partner to be our therapist. We first need to work on ourselves so we can be capable of a healthy, fulfilling intimate relationship.
You can work on yourself by yourself, without a therapist. I gave an example of a youtube channel where you can start. There are many such channels, with lots of free material, if you’re interested. There are also online courses at affordable prices, which provide more in-depth information than the free stuff. So you’ve got options, you don’t have to “suffer in peace”.
TeeParticipantDear triss,
I am sorry that your marriage isn’t the way you imagined it to be, and that your husband is treating you badly. It’s good you’ve moved out to get some space and some perspective. He is accusing of being selfish and not having any plans, and you actually agree with him:
I do feel selfish ā I have no idea what Iām doing, my life is scattered around ā and itās hard to keep up daily appearances.
Would you care to elaborate on this? How do you believe you’re selfish, and how is your life scattered around?
TeeParticipantDear Murtaza,
and to receive what you havenāt received in childhood ā love,Ā compassion, understanding, validation
is this step requires people ? if so then forget it
š I see you’re not too keen to work with a therapist, and not necessarily just because you don’t have money… I’ll give you some suggestions on what you can do on your own, but I’d like to say first that the core wounding happens in a relationship, therefore healing happens in the context of a relationship too. In our childhood, we were wounded by inadequate, abusive, judgmental, emotionally immature parents. We can heal that trauma with the help of someone who is loving, compassionate, understanding, who will give us unconditional positive regard, who won’t judge us, who will accept us as we are… and that’s a good therapist. It’s much harder (or almost impossible) to do it alone, to pull ourselves by our own bootstraps…
But what I can suggest for starters is to watch a youtube channel called “Therapy in a nutshell”, which offers very educational and practical videos on how to deal with anxiety, depression, how to deal with emotions, etc. The same therapist also offers more in-depth online courses on her website, and of them on dealing with stress and anxiety is accessible for free.
If you’d like to share some more about your childhood, perhaps we here can help you too, at least a little.
TeeParticipantDear Ilyana,
The manic phase was good in that I wasnāt in pain, but bad in that it represents instability. Deep down I find manic phases fun and exciting, and theyāre way better than depression. But they come with poor decision making, which often has negative consequences for my life. They almost inevitably lead to a crash afterwards. What I want is to be stable.
I see how a manic phase can be exciting, that’s why I mentioned it earlier. I do understand that from the standpoint of “stability” it’s not good for you and you don’t like it, but otherwise “deep down” you like it, because you’re elated, you’re excited, you’re feeling intensely, you’re in love, you’re hoping, dreaming, soaring the skies like a bird who’s free…. You didn’t have any of that in your childhood, did you? You were afraid, lonely, felt miserable, and your mother was full of hatred and resentment towards your father. Even if your personality were cheerful and happy, you couldn’t express that around your mother – I guess she would have guilt-tripped you for being anything but miserable around her.
In your entire childhood, you didn’t have much chance to express normal child’s emotions like elation, excitement, joy, happiness, laughter… you were surrounded with negativity, hatred, resentment, bitterness, criticism and condemnation. You probably felt guilty for even wanting to be happy sometimes. Am I guessing this right?
If so, no wonder that you miss those natural human emotions that give meaning to life. No wonder you don’t want to remain “stable” in your depression. You said your manic episodes stopped when you gave birth to your son. Perhaps that’s when you felt you needed to “grow up” and get stable, which for you meant to become depressed, to be deprived of those exciting emotions that you craved so much? Perhaps a part of your resentment towards your son is that by becoming a mother, you felt you needed to sacrifice your manic episodes – whereas they were the only times you felt alive?
About your husband, you said:
We have been waiting for ten years to go back to a happy place we were in for only 3 years.
What was different in those first three years?
TeeParticipantDear Kate,
The insecurities do pop out sometimes and do make me feel that there might be better people than me out there.
Would you care to elaborate on this? What makes you believe you’re not such a good person?
Oh and please tell me if my prying and questioning is a nuisance for you. I am asking with the intention to help, to maybe figure out what’s at the bottom of your insecurity. But if you don’t feel like talking about it, just say so and I’ll stop.
TeeParticipantDear Ben,
It seems that even minor stress can invade every corner of my mind and reduce me to a cowering, trembling lump. I received a couple of voicemails about financial matters that Iām worried about, and not only could I not listen to them, I couldnāt even look at my phone or have it near me. I do the same thing with paper mail- Iāll often throw it away, unopened. I canāt bring myself to look at it, and then I canāt look at myself. Iām so ashamed of my cowardice.
It’s because you feel helpless – you don’t know how to handle life’s challenges, or this particular (financial) challenge, and you feel overwhelmed. You feel you don’t have the resources or the capacity to solve problems. That’s why you’re afraid to face those problems – because you’re at a loss of what to do.
I feel like a scared kid, not a grown man, and I hate it.
Yes, and it’s because the scared kid is still living inside of you – that’s your wounded inner child. All children start out feeling helpless and scared, but with proper support, guidance and encouragement, they develop self-confidence and courage, they learn to trust themselves and their abilities. If you’ve never received that kind of encouragement, if your parents hardly ever played with you, or helped you learn new skills, no wonder you’d be missing those skills. A child cannot develop self-esteem and self-confidence in a vacuum – it needs constant parental engagement. If the engagement wasn’t there, the self-esteem is also missing.
I’m supposed to be able to solve problems with grace
You can only solve problems with grace if you have enough self-esteem and self-confidence – if you don’t feel helpless in face of problems. If you lacked parental engagement and support, which is necessary for many of our skills to develop, including our problem solving skills, you would be at a loss. Another reason could be that your parents didn’t have good problem solving skills either – they didn’t speak about their problems for many years, and then they suddenly divorced, after just one argument. That’s a bad role model for problem solving skills…
I canāt even say No
A part of the problem could be your fear of confrontation, which is related to your parents’ sudden divorce after just one confrontation. As I said earlier, it could be that in your mind, you see confrontation as dangerous and something that causes irreparable damage.
All these present-day problems and limitations are caused by the emotional neglect that seems to have happened in your childhood. Try to understand that there is a child, a little boy inside of you, who didn’t get his emotional and developmental needs met properly. As a result, you’re lacking some skills now.
Like anita said, the first thing would be to stop blaming yourself because it’s like blaming a child for being inadequate. The child within you needs compassion and understanding before all.
He can get that from your adult part, who can serve as a positive, loving parent to your inner child. The task would be to develop this positive, parental inner voice, as the antidote to the harsh inner critic who’s shaming and condemning the boy all the time.
Do you think you can do that? To have that positive, compassionate voice as the counterbalance to the inner critic?
TeeParticipantDear Carly,
you’re very welcome. I’ve taken a look at your previous thread, where you shared about your husbandās family and how unsupportive and mean they were. Back then, you and your husband were a team – it was the two of you against his family. His mother and sister tried everything to stop him from marrying you, but it appears he wouldnāt budge ā you still ended up getting married. So before the wedding, it seems he was your hero, and then after the wedding he completely changed and became cold and mean.
You said:
Heās the kind of fake person who molds himself into what you want him to be just so he can check off freaky goal boxes like āhave a houseā and āget a wife.ā
So could it be that he married you out of spite to his mother and sister? To prove he can do it? You say they were mocking him while you were still dating:
they always gave these little jabs at him, or only told stories that would make him look bad.
His mom started cornering him and screaming at him, calling him in the middle of the night to ask whether he ever thinks Ill want to have sex with him, if he thinks heāll be my hero,
It seems he did behave like your hero back then:
he conformed to everything he thought I wanted him to be. Going out of his way to be helpful and kind to others, and pretending to be a thoughtful hard worker, and to like the same media I like. He seemed like a perfectly wonderful person up until the point I married him.
But it wasnāt because he loved you, it seems, but because he needed to prove that he can be successful. Perhaps he was mocked that heād never get a wife, or be materially successful (e.g. have a house of his own), and you served to prove the opposite?
After you got married, āHe stopped trying to help others and became lazy too, always whining about money and jobs.ā
So after you got married, he became his true self, or rather, his more honest self: lazy, self-centered, not really wanting to work and be successful in his career, perhaps not even interested in material success (or perhaps relying on you to provide it, so he can keep a faƧade of success towards his family)?
Anyway, he seems like trouble and best is to divorce him, even if your parents believe itās a āfailureā. Much bigger failure would be to stay married to him, even have children together, and then get stuck with him for a really long time…
I love your plan ā to get a better job (rooting for you, youāre definitely able to do it!) and be able to pay for the divorce and live separately from him.
Your mother’s support for womenās rights is indeed strange, if she also believes you should tolerate even physical violence, because men are simply like that? Then why didnāt she marry such a guy, instead of a softy who agrees with everything she says? Or perhaps she supports womenās rights in theory, but not her own daughterās rights?
TeeParticipantDear Murtaza,
i laugh when i want to cry, i laugh when i feel bothered
If you laugh when you feel bothered, or you laugh when you feel sad, it could be because when you expressed “negative” emotions such as anger or sadness in your childhood, they were unacceptable to your parents, and you might have been punished or faced some other repercussions. You couldn’t express your negative emotions freely, therefore you chose to suppress them and instead cover them up with an “acceptable” emotion, such as laughter, feigning to be happy, or indifferent, or not bothered.
i have a really low emotional intelligence… emotion is like a mystery to me
In order to have emotional intelligence, we first need to know how we feel, so that we could recognize how the other person feels and e.g. have empathy for them. If you needed to suppress your own emotions and got disconnected from them – for the reasons I mentioned above – it can easily lead to lack of emotional intelligence.
i donāt even know how to deal with anxiety, i ignore it, try to re sure myeslf, doesnāt work, the only thing that works is sleep, otherwise the pain in my stomach never goes away,Ā
The pain in your stomach can be from your anxiety, and if I understood well, you’re anxious most of the time when you’re awake. Anxiety as a default program can be caused by not having received proper soothing and comfort as a baby and child. For example, if you were left alone to cry in your crib, and nobody came to pick you up, that would be one reason. Or if you were punished for crying, for example.
i have a really low self esteem,
If you were criticized and condemned often as a child, that could have caused it. Any kind of parental rejection, or even lack of care and attention, leads the child to conclude that there’s something wrong with them, even fundamentally wrong. That they are unlovable and unworthy.
for the sake of just knowing, what would be the price to heal? how can i heal ? what method/things i should do? and do they work actually or just for some people ?
We as children have certain core emotional needs – such as to be loved, nurtured, accepted, appreciated, validated, to feel special to our parents, etc. If those core needs weren’t met and instead we were emotionally wounded – that’s where our adult emotional problems and anxiety stem from. In order to heal, we’d need to meet those unmet core emotional needs, and the best to do it is in therapy.
You would have to get in touch with your suppressed emotions, but first realize that they are acceptable, that you are allowed to have them. And then you’d need to work in therapy to release them, and to receive what you haven’t received in childhood – love,Ā compassion, understanding, validation etc. If you’d like to know some more, I’d be happy to answer.
June 10, 2021 at 11:30 pm in reply to: I do not know if I just want to be heard or need some feedback/advice #381279TeeParticipantDear Kibou,
you’re very welcome. Wishing you all the best, and please post whenever you feel like it <3
TeeParticipantDear Javier,
I see it similarly to Sarah – that although it was a heavy experience and so much pain and sorrow has come out from your mother, it was also cathartic in a way. She finally opened her heart and shared how empty and alone she felt all these years. And also, that it started much before you were born – she said she felt empty, lonely and dead inside almost all of her life. That’s why she probably needed someone by her side, even if that someone was abusive to her and her children. Her fear of loneliness was stronger…
My heart goes out to your mother, she’s been through a lot. I hope this confession and unburdening will do her good, and that she can forgive herself. It seems like a good idea that she’ll be living with your brother’s family for a while, and be able to find some comfort and joy in her grandchildren.
We cried for hours and Iāve never felt so devastated, my heart cries for all the years and pains that my mother has gone through. I know Iām not responsible, but I feel the pain and canāt stop the hurt and sorrow I feel because of my mother.
I believe it’s like when a child sees their mother cry – they start crying too, because they feel helpless, they’re afraid, they don’t know what’s going to happen next. A small child cannot console their mother but cries and breaks down with her… And since you’re pretty much identified with your own inner child, you don’t have the capacity yet to provide consolation either to yourself or to your mother. I think that’s why you too were crying inconsolably…
It just reminded me about myself, and that her inner child is also broken. It reminded me that she has also been a child once, that has most probably been neglected and hurt. When I saw her, I didnāt see my mother, I saw a hurt child, that was lost and alone, that felt unloved and rejected by everyone and by the whole world.
You too had a very similar experience: a hurt child, that was lost and alone, that felt unloved and rejected by everyone and by the whole world. Maybe this can help you to stop blaming yourself, and to find compassion for yourself, for your own inner child?
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
it’s fine that you posted the anime drawing in your close friends group. You were proud of your achievement and wanted to show it to your close friends – nothing wrong about that.
As for the rest – thinking and obsessing whether you should have done it or not, and whether those girls will think less of you because of it – that’s the internal saboteur. That’s the voice that wants to keep you from growing. And he succeeded for a moment because you immediately started questioning yourself and your drawing, thinking that it may be childish, that the girls won’t like you because of it etc etc… the end result: it took away all your joy and pride about your achievement, and pushed you back to square one, into paralysis and anxiety. Do you see this?
But you have the antidote for that: try to neutralize the voice of the saboteur and focus on the internal achiever (perhaps this is how we should call the antidote to the saboteur), telling yourself positive affirmations, like I suggested earlier.
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TeeParticipantDear Murtaza,
I was trying to point out how our reality and our truth is created, because it means it’s not set in stone, but can be changed. But if you prefer to stay in your reality, that’s your choice, you have the right to do so.
truth is relative, really try living in my mind, without any joy of anything, without a motivation to change, with only few goals (easy way/being not human), , then you can advice me and i can take such advice in account,
I understand you don’t have either joy or motivation to change. I’ve tried to explain why you might lack the motivation to change – because it protects you from pain that you may face when dealing with past trauma. I’ve explained that your lack of motivation to change is a defense mechanism. But I also respect that you want to stay in it, at least for the time being.
Moreover, it seems you’re quite passionate about staying in it:
i promised myself two things, one is that i do everything by my rules and way, two is that the only trying im gonna do to improve anything would be death,
So when you say you’re not passionate about anything, not true: you are passionate about staying in your protective shell. Which I respect, although it’s a pity.
i gotta say, you remind me of something i lost, people, norimes.
Yes, people cannot enter your protective shell… but that’s the price to pay…
TeeParticipantDear Ilyana,
it’s good to hear you’re seeing multiple therapists and have done some powerful healing work around your mother. It means you’re taking care of yourself, and your family is helping too: your sister financially, while your husband in practical ways. I understand though that if your husband doesn’t give you any emotional support and isn’t interested in hearing about your feelings, it’s hard to feel close to him.
Is it that he doesn’t know what to say and how to comfort you when you complain about things? In your other thread you wrote: “He gets angry often and is completely baffled by my need for emotional support“. Perhaps he gets angry because he feels clueless and doesn’t know how to help you, which makes him frustrated?
I am sorry that you actually feel upset about your manic episode and that it wasn’t a good sign, as I thought… What did your therapist say about it?
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