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Big blueParticipant
Hi Claire,
This is a fork in the road for sure. …unless you already picked a direction.
I have an experience to share and I have a timely article that may help – I just read it.
My brother used to be very toxic, to the point one day when I said I would not bring someone over for a visit. I said it was not good for his immediate family either. I just laid it out there and I’m sure I did it with care and concern. I told my sister in law. Initially he pushed back. Then he dropped the toxic stuff! Night and day since! He seems much happier, too! π
The article is: How to Have Difficult Conversations. See Psychology Today’s blog.
Big blue
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Big blueParticipantHi VK,
You have some challenges that I relate to.
First, you are going through a temporary grieving process over that relationship, so you will need to give yourself time to heal.
Second, for your baseline attitude you could benefit by becoming more open to discomfort in relationships – those of others and with yourself. There are always issues. Some are uncomfortable. By gutting it out you will build up more tolerance. Along the way by engaging with people and yourself, you will learn to deal with diverse situations through coping skills, including more compassion.
– Marshmallow provided one recipe – all in. I did something similar a few years ago moving on my own 100s of miles from family and friends.
– I also agree with Sassypants. Another way is to get out of your comfort zone by volunteering more, taking or giving lessons, etc. out in the community. Try traveling and talking with people. My vote is a mix of in person and some online. You’ll find comfort and better handle discomfort – making you less lonely, while more confident and fulfilled.
I’ll add that you say how grateful you are. For your senses. Your brain. Your feelings. The sun. The moon. That dog that barks when you walk by. Your friends. Your family. What ever you are grateful for.
Oh one more point – you are not defined by your thoughts in that brain you’re thankful for. Some thoughts are ok to recognize, and say “there’s that lonely though again, I’m putting it on a bird’s back” to be dropped off somewhere to disperse. Let it go.
Does this make sense?
Big blue
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Big blueParticipantHi Inky,
You are courageous to share your proud moments along with your perceived shortcomings, and rest assured I don’t see the shortcomings as that. If you lose yourself in a book, that is a win. If you lose yourself in Facebook that is another type of book and that, too, is a win. Obviously, being actively engaged in your family’s daily lives as you describe, is a win.
One of my strengths is empathy so let me run with it a bit if it is ok with you. Is it ok?
I’m going to share something about me that led to a turning point for me, and in some ways when I share it, see if I am also talking about you. I grew up with lots of weirdness vs. standards. The truth is now I know that we all did. And, as a result of this gap, I easily fall into thinking with “should.” “I should have a ‘normal’ family.” “I should dress this way.” Take a look at your post. Find the “should”s whether you used the word or not. See what I mean? It”s ok, we all do it.
So, you wonder, What”s my point? Where am I going? Ok, I’ll go ahead and lay it out there as I have lived it: you are a win. You are doing a great job. You are doing many great jobs. Your life is a win. Even when you might come up short. It is still a win. You are you, there is only one of you, you are a big part of this world, are you are perfect exactly the way you are. I’m talking about how you are valuable to yourself. You count as one beautiful voice. It”s your voice, your life. Your story comes with it, and yes we are taught to create and tell a better story – sometimes in a (Face)book – but when we wake up every day, we are already good enough. We don’t have to should ourselves corrosively when we can build ourselves constructively. Step one: accept yourself fully. Celebrate! Step two: take action to keep growing. Your post reflects your growth attitude so go with it. Yes, as we easily fall back at times because we are human, you know what’s coming next right? Step three: “rinse.” Step four: “repeat.” It’s inevitable that you will find yourself having setbacks or doubts about yourself and when that happens, go to step one.
If this is making sense to you, if we’re onto something here, just know that we are in this together in our human condition. We can make it. We are making it. We already made it. We are here!
If this is making sense, this talk will help. She helped me to find and do step one. Brene Brown: Listening to Shame.
Big blue
Big blueParticipantDear Jobebee,
You are doing very well processing all the thoughtful feedback. What you are going through is very hard, and as you can see there are answers for you.
I’d like to add one other personal point of experience that may help you. When I became upset enough in an abusive relationship, that I was trying hard to make work, that I went to see a psychologist, within the first 5 minutes of meeting me, he asked, “What if you move out?” I did move out before the follow up session. Since then I have been single and over time I became more and more healthy and strong. It’s a journey for sure, but I would be in really bad shape had I not moved out. Just my story. Priceless to me. Take it for what it may or may not be worth to you.
Big blue
Big blueParticipantThank you Rachael!
1. Funny
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3. Curious
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Big blueParticipantHi Jamie,
Everyone is different and you need to find your answer through this difficult journey. I agree that if you are still this upset, you probably should check in on yourself in say 6 months. Or until you do not gave the emotions welling up.
In my case, when my marriage ended, it took several years before she and I were able to move past the challenging emotions. We are really ok now, we help each other and work together for our kids, but it’s not like we would get together like friends.
Besides giving yourself time, it is true what people say re: if you focus on personal development, that will help you in many ways.
I hope this helps.
Big blue
Big blueParticipantHi Jobebee,
From a guy’s viewpoint, please listen to the advice above. They are being blunt to jolt you out. I agree!!
Sometimes relationships start out nice and then turn bad – maybe slowly enough that people don’t see it or just decide it’s easier to go along. With all respect, you need to acknowledge that you are in an abusive relationship. There is no way you should be treated this way. Get together with family or friends and move out.
Also – seeing a therapist is a good idea, they will help you. Schools have therapists, I saw one once.
Lastly, do things to accept yourself and build up your self image – you are just as worthy as everyone else!
Big blue
PS: having been there, it’s possible you will bargain – “I’ll stay as long he does not do [whatever].” This prolongs the unhealthy situation that you are clearly already in. Don’t wait for any next times.
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Big blueParticipantHi Tracey,
Thank you for posting your story and for receiving this great advice! Really nice!
Big blue
PS: it’s actually really awesome on the back burner, you will get your health and mojo back then look out world π
Big blueParticipantHi Jacqueline,
I understand what you’re saying. You are desired by him, but he’s not showing it enough. You want to be pursued sometimes. This is entirely healthy and right of you in my opinion. Also this is potentially a touchy or embarrassing subject so I understand how you wrote your post.
I have a question: could he be afraid of you rejecting him? How does he handle rejection? I can relate to this one… although not so much in an exclusive relationship.
Another question: is he on a different page than you on frequency? That is, if you want to be together more frequently than he does. I ask because I was in a relationship where she made the first move more frequently vs. where I was. Without sharing TMI, in essence I never/rarely got a chance to make the first move. This became an issue with us so I know communication and openness are crucial. If this is at all possible, that you are “this much” and he’s “this much minus N,” (not that this is math) what if you wait a while and see what he does? The other question is: is he really passionate? He may be slow to make the first move, but 100% passion can be all the cure.
Big blue
Big blueParticipantWell so far so good. We are getting along. And no issues. No sparks either. Had a celebration dinner last night. Graduation ceremony today. Thanks everyone for your advice!
Big blueParticipantHi Joe,
You already know this is tragic. The problems are: you were/are mixed up about a committed relationship, she was really really hurt and she can’t trust you anymore, and the other girl could get hurt. The positive side is your ex is taking care of herself and you are trying to learn from this. I have to say I feel unsettled thinking about it. For you and especially for her it must have been horrible.
Joe besides ‘listening’ I’m not sure if I have any advice. Sometimes we need to face discomfort and just be in it. Joe something in you told you to break it off. But how you did that with the other girl while keeping your sweetheart waiting … Ugh. You need to forgive yourself and realize you’re not perfect and you are learning. Honestly this is something you need to work through and the others have given great advice.
Big blue
Big blueParticipantHi M,
When ever you have a thought about him please take it and say Oh there is a thought about him – I’ll put that in a blue recycling box to be put out to the curb once a week. It’s ok to have the thought, you just don’t own it anymore.
Now could you tell us one activity that you have been thinking of doing in the community? Something where you’ll engage with people. Not like the grocery store, something like a class that you might take, or a place you want to help by volunteering. Can you contact them tomorrow and say you are thinking of joining up to try it? Go ahead and try it. If you don’t like it, that is ok, let them know it is not working for you, thank them and wish them well. If you find it works for you, stick with it for a month, give it a month. Then see what you think. While you are there ask questions and learn about other folks. Share something with them that you are proud of. You are a good writer – you can talk about how writing makes you feel good. If you are a great cook, then by all means ask what people had for dinner. Talk recipes and what you like to make. Ask what people are planning for summer vacation. Get some ideas and plan a small one for yourself, even if it’s kinda local or regional like a staycation. In the course of these conversations, when you think of him, think Ok there I am thinking of him and put that thought in the blue box. Resist the temptation to talk with people about that old bad experience, rather use the time to learn about them and their lives. Save talking about him for your counselor. As you talk with others you will bit by bit start to find small common bonds with them. Then as time goes by you will become more and more comfortable putting old thoughts away and focusing on these new, more fun thoughts and actions. After a time you will find yourself feeling more confident about talking with people and sharing positive things about you. You will be enjoying the experience of being you. Yes you will stumble sometimes. That is ok, so the bowling ball goes in the gutter sometimes. Don’t apologize a lot everyone throws gutter balls. Here it comes again for another shot.
You will find your own story, your unique voice, what you enjoy and what brings you out again to see people. Like anyone else, you will have doubts and even fears, try new activities and discussions. It takes time. Enjoy this time. It’s your time.
Big blue
May 15, 2014 at 5:09 am in reply to: Obsessing over the past to the point its no longer the truth #56321Big blueParticipantHi Tinyzebra,
I really get this conversation – how hard it is to let go. For what it’s worth you are doing well hanging in there day by day. Eventually it will be easier. I’m two plus months out and getting to the point where I don’t want to do this anymore. Moving on becomes easier. Thank you for posting and also for Michael’s reply, which helps to get the perspectives of it all.
Big blue
Big blueParticipantHi Michael,
I accept you. As is. I accept myself, too, and I am working hard to make some changes. A question for you: is there something common with the times when you lose your temper?
I think for me it’s when I feel powerless like I did as a child, when mom, dad and our house were not in alignment with Leave it to Beaver, or Andy of Mayberry. Don’t get me started about my brothers…. π When I run into a big mess or toxic personalities, I may have little patience. I have been less than civil or nice sometimes. What’s missing or running near empty at that point is my compassion. Actually: My mom and dad did the best they could do at the time given their own challenges and opportunities. My brothers did too (I guess). And so did I. So I need to switch over to the other wing tank of compassion at that point, or hit the mountain, which is not good for anyone. Better to realize that everyone has problems, that we’re all worthy enough as is, and that we’re all worthy enough to make the effort to grow, too.
Big blue
Big blueParticipantHi Amy,
You have a nice way of helping. I appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.
Yes she must know I have feelings of some kind for her.
Pride is definitely what I’m feeling about my daughter, and the rest of us.
I’m really looking forward to a celebration!
Big blue
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