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ShippParticipant
Dear anita,
As always, I appreciate your sharing what you know with me! The steps that you detail (here and in the post about sensing my body’s reactions to emotions) are plainly explained so that I can put the process into action.
(Side note: my tablet has a habit of auto correcting me and inserting words that I did not intend to use. I’ve noticed several after I post a message. So I hope you are fluent in typo lol).
After reviewing your last few posts, the topic of meditation comes to mind. The paying attention to breathing and relaxing muscles, and the focused attention on though is what brought it to mind. Do you practise? If so, I’d like to ask some questions. I’ve been attempting to meditate but I’ve run into some trouble with it:
1. With my family, its impossible for me to have time alone until after everyone else goes to bed. Then I can go to my room and have some solitude.
2. By the time I finally get some time to myself, I’m tired.
3. I’ve downloaded some meditation tracks on my phone to listen to. I find it easier to focus if I listen to guided meditation tracks, as apposed to non verbal tracks.
4. You guessed it.. I fall asleep. I wake up hours later (after the track is over) feeling more calm and refreshed but also feeling that I missed out on the whole purpose of learning control of my thoughts and breathing.I know that I need to make corrections to my technique in order to stay focused (awake) but I’m not sure where to look to find creditable information. A Google search returns too many results from “fluffy” websites.
Im thinking that if I could learn to meditate properly, it would help me in many ways (as we have discussed previously). Your thoughts?
~Shipp
ShippParticipantDear anita,
I’m not sure if this is what you mean but what comes to mind is “expressing anger must be bad”.
This belief came about two fold.
1. Mother’s anger was expressed badly in the former of abuse.
2. My attempts to express anger were met with swift, harsh punishment.So, therefore, expressing anger must be bad.
I now realize that there are healthy ways of expression but, since I didn’t learn these skills, mine still comes out badly (I loose my self control and lash out at others verbally). Then I feel guilty which reaffirms the belief.
I look forward to hearing from you when you can get online again.
~Shipp
ShippParticipantDear anita,
I think I understand what you’re saying. It sounds very much like the technique that I use for avoiding panic attacks and fainting when faced with needles and shots. I focus all of my attention on the other arm and legs to avoid The
THINKING about what’s going on in my mind. If I understand you correctly, trying to focus on the physical reaction, instead of the mental chatter, will buy me time to sort through all of the negative reactions and select a positive one (which allows me to feel in control of myself). That makes sense and is something that can be done in small steps as it arises.Let me pose a new question:
I’ve read a little about how beliefs about ourselves are formed and reinforced in the brain (like what you were discussing with John) in the book “The Giant Within” by Anthony Robbins. I understand, a little, that it’s about changing the way you process the information that you’ve been given. I’m on the verge of ‘getting it’ but then the concept eludes me and I don’t get it. Would you share your understanding of how neuro pathways work and how someone can use them to formulate new beliefs about themselves?
~Shipp
ShippParticipantDear prakashraj,
My apologies, I only saw the post from Norit and responded. I did not mean to intrude on your posts.
Respectfully,
~Shipp
ShippParticipantDear Norit,
Thank you for sharing that article!! I have a severe phobia of needles and suffer from the sudden blood pressure drop like the article mentioned. Due to medical problems, I’ve had to endure blood being drawn frequently over the last few years. Ironically, I found that if I tense my legs and right arm and hand (and don’t look at all), and focus all on my controlled breathing.. I can get through it without full blown panic attacks.
Your article helped me know that there is truth behind my method (and it’s NOT all in my head).
I’m glad to read that you are taking steps to face and be able to handle your fears. I understand the cycle that you mentioned. For me, as soon as the nurse announces that she going to draw blood, I have her talk non-stop about anything, just to distract me from my own thoughts. Have you considered listening to music while on your way to the store, as a way to redirect your thoughts and attention away from your fear?
~Shipp
ShippParticipantDear Anita (I just remembered reading that you prefer the small ‘a’),
A follow up post. I was reading a post by John “Is this it?” and was very interested in the advise you shared with him. If you don’t mind, I copied your last post here because I would like to discuss further with you (without high jacking John’s space).
You wrote “It is my experience that most of what we are is automatic, a quick and automatic reaction to existing pathways that are triggered, again and again, by people we interact with and life situations.”
This is what I meant by ‘I can’t seem to stop doing the wrong things long enough to start doing the right things’. My thoughts, actions and reactions seem to on autopilot.
You also wrote “to be authentic is to get a sense of distance from existing pathways, being able to notice them, identify them and instead of being identified with them, being able to CHOOSE from a distance. To choose before drowning in those pathways.”
This is what I want for myself. I want to be authentic, who I am..the good, the bad and the ugly parts of me, and not fear being judged or rejected by others. I have moments (usually when anger over rides my fears) when I am fully present and self aware without worrying about what others think. In these moments, I feel free, unbuttoned. But those moments are fleeting and then I go back into hiding mode.
Do you think it’s possible to reach a state of consistent being that is fully present and authentic? If you’ve been able to accomplish this, please share how.
I’ll continue to follow John’s posts, as I think he and I are seeking similar information.
And if I haven’t told you lately, thank you for giving your time, compassion, wisdom and truth, not only to me but to all the others that post here. You are truly a special person to give so much of yourself and I’ve yet to see you ask anything for yourself. So, thank you!!
~Shipp
ShippParticipantDear John,
I’ve been following your thread. Thank you for sharing your experience with the water droplets in the Web! It’s moments like those that we forget too quickly after they happen so it was nice to share in your moment.
Ironically, you and I are currently reading the same book and Anita is also helping me with some of the same questions that you have posed in your posts. I’m learning right along with you as others respond to your comments.
Anyway, I just wanted you to know that someone else is benefiting from you sharing your experiences and insights. Thanks!
~Shipp
ShippParticipantDear Anita,
I remember the Never Ending Story lol. It was one of my youngest daughter’s favorites. I agree that it takes a child for such a journey and I understand the similarities with a beginner’s mind. I sometimes believe that I’ve experienced too much and have become too jaded to recapture the innocence of such a mind.
I also agree that fear is a very powerful emotion. Too often the only emotion that is strong enough for me to overcome my fear is anger. For me, anger has been the only emotion strong enough to cover the fear and feeling of helplessness since around age 10. That is when I first attempted suicide and after failing, I decided that anger was stronger than helplessness and that I would not let my mother destroy me. (That seemed logical to my 10 year old brain). I’ve since realized that I’ve spent my life since then being angry.. carrying a chip on my shoulder and looking for someone to challenge to knock it off.
When I chose my career, I chose the legal field because I have a hypersensitive sense of justice and what is fair. But here is where the switch came about. In my field, passionate is acceptable but anger and aggression are not. So, I would hold that anger inside with no outlet. Given the amount of work and hours the job requires, there was the inevitable frustration. Frustration turned on myself, mixed with the unspent anger, became harsh unyielding view of self and depression. I’ve read other posts that refer to depression as “feeling down and sad” but the depression that I experience feels painful, like my body and mind have been exploded into thousands of disconnected pieces into an endless darkness that will only be eased by nothingness.
So my cycle is fear, only covered by anger, which when turned on myself become depression. While I seek to rid myself of these dominant negative emotions, they are the fabric of who I was and still am. I sometimes think that without them, I would be nothing, empty. I truly don’t understand how, given what all I have experienced in my life, I could ever view myself and my world as others do theirs. (The happy, perky, positive people or people who love themselves more than they do others or people who say that they were able to forgive themselves and others… HOW???)
Sorry, my frustration is showing again. I realize that I’m venting. I told myself when I started posting that I would not relay all of the traumatic events that caused me to be where and how I am today but if life was unbearable at 10, it only got worse from there. After almost dying last October, I finally realize that I want to live, truly live, but not as I am now. Not as I have for all these years. I just don’t know HOW. And, yes, I realize that no one can tell me how to do that but I do hope that somewhere I will find a key truth that will unlock the door (wall) that I’ve spent so many years building.
Ok, my venting is over for now. I appreciate your listening to me and letting me sort out some issues. Sometimes it’s easier for me to have to stop and put my thoughts in order before writing them out. Sometimes all of my thoughts, just rolling around in my head, become difficult to sort through.
Thank you!!
~Shipp
ShippParticipantDear Anita,
General site/forum question: is there a way to contact someone who posts in the forum? I’ve read some posts by Peter and I would like to ask him some further questions but his comments were for other users in their thread (posted some time ago). Can you tag someone in a post to get their attention or something? Or do you just hope they read your post? How does it work here?
Thanks for your help!!
~Shipp
ShippParticipantDear XenopusTex,
Your original title about the cell phone bill caught my attention so I started reading your posts. You’ve opened up to share a lot about yourself and there’s a positive change in the wording of your messages.
From what I understand, your career is both the primary focus of your life right now but also the source of problems for you as well. I too was in the legal field so I understand your references to being called away, working massive hours and the frustration of others not carrying their weight. For me, I felt a strong need to build my credibility among my peers and made the personal sacrifices to ‘get the job done right’. I’ve noticed that you have mentioned sacrifices as well: missing out on hunting, missed lunch dates, missed personal time, etc. Have you considered slightly switching professions? Private practice perhaps? Something in your area of expertise but would also give you more control over your workload and hours put into it.
If this question has already asked and answered, please forgive me (there are a lot of messages and information that I just read through at once).
Best regards,
~Shipp
ShippParticipantDear Anita,
The type of counselor that you described is what mine, except one, lacked. I suppose also that is part of the reason that I was drawn to the forum here. Because both parents were of little use in preparing me for ‘adult life’, I feel that I’ve missed a lot of wisdom and guidance. In my years of therapy, no one provided tools (exercises, recommended reading, etc) to help ME figure out deal with issues. (and I stressed ME because I know that I have to find my own answers that ring true for myself).
To answer your question about awakening, for me there was an undescribable fear (almost panicked) of not having enough time and a profound sadness over years lost. My doctor wrote me out of work for a month and on the day that I returned to work, I was fired because they no longer needed me. Therefore, I made the decision to take a year off from working. I felt that I needed time to adjust and come to grips with myself and my life. In a way, I’m afraid that when I return to the workforce, my life will return to the daily, mindless stresses that leads me to where I was last year. Unlike the people in the movie, I am choosing to feel and explore rather than to shut down. Unfortunately, my progress is as slow as quicksand in the hourglass.
One of my biggest personal struggle has been, and still is, to break the habit of going in the wrong direction (doing things that I do not thoughtfully want to be doing) long enough to start going in the direction that I want (mindfully doing things that will either bring me closer to my goals or bring me peace in the meantime). I find it very difficult to stay in the ‘now’ because I am faced with acknowledging that I am doing and being that which I choose not to do and be. If I were faced with another person, obstacle or situation then I would charge ahead full steam to resolve the problem but when I face my own shadow self, I falter and get lost.
Let me pose a question: Do you think a person who has no self worth or sense of value of existence (due to childhood and past experience) can find on one’s own an internalized sense of worthiness and confidence?
I look forward to your thoughts and questions.
~Shipp
ShippParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for sharing your personal story. You and I seem to have taken opposing methods for dealing with what we faced. Unfortunately, I think the end result was similar. Although, based on some of what I’ve read, you seem to be farther along on your journey to peace than I am. In spite years of therapy, with many different counselors, I still can’t seem to get a grip of my fear, sense of self worth and anger.
I apologize but my thoughts are, at the time, somewhat scattered so I will check in again tomorrow.
~Shipp
ShippParticipantDear Phull,
I have a few questions for you to consider:
1. Did your anxiety begin before you started making mistakes or are you feeling anxiety because you are making mistakes?
2. You mentioned that you are accustomed to succeeding in your tasks. Could this comfort level be leading to your mistakes? Could it be that you are getting ahead of yourself and not focusing on the mundane details? I ask this because sometimes I get over confident and mess up, then I feel foolish when my mistakes are noticed bt others.
3. You mentioned that you feel unworthy of working with such highly intelligent people. Are these mistakes all that stands between your present situation and the success that you seek? If so, then by giving yourself some time and paying close attention to detail, I feel that you can grow out of this phase.
If I may also make a suggestion (something that I am working on myself): try to work at work at the end of the day. Try not to keep mulling over your mistakes once you leave work. Try to start each new day as a fresh opportunity to do better than the day before.
I have also recently joined Tiny Buddha but I have the people here to be wonderfully supportive. I hope you will find something on this sight that helps you.
~Shipp
ShippParticipantDear Anita,
Its good to hear from you!
Its comforting to know that you fully understand the pain and stress of a simliar childhood. I would like to ask, if you dont mind, if escape into fantasy world continued for you into adult years? The reason that I ask is that, to some extent, I still struggle with that. I get an idea of the ‘perfect’ job for example (I can invision my desk and surrounding office, how well I dress and look, etc) but then reality sets in and I feel crushing disappointment. I realize full well that I have no right to be disappointed because ‘perfection’ was all in my head, but there’s still the thoughts of “I SHOULD have better than this”. (and yes, my parents drilled absolute perfection and second is not good enough into my head early on and used words like should, never, always and many others). I would also like to ask if you felt pressure to excel and please your family in an effort to make the peace. For me, this was/is the case.
I look forward to hearing from you again.
~Shipp
ShippParticipantDear Jock,
Thank you for your kind words. I smiled at your compliment!
I’m glad that you too seem to be making progress in your journey. Keep up the good works!
Please feel free to check in me anytime and offer what you feel lead to share.
~Shipp
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