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July 22, 2018 at 6:58 am #218101SheelanagigParticipant
Thank you for the intro. I chose my name sheelanagig. sheelanagig are ancient statues found in Europe that are thought to use explicit representations of womenās sexuality as amulets of protection. I am here because I look stuff up in the computer regarding relationships and self live and my attention gets brought to Tiny Buddha over and over.
July 22, 2018 at 6:51 am #218099SheelanagigParticipantYou are totally 100% correct and I wish I could go back in time because I have put myself in situations where I was victimized due to low self esteem. In therapy we talk about the everyday adult me, the mean parent me and the helpless kid me. Working on recognizing when each of them is āmaking an appearanceā and then trying to ground myself in the adult to deal with the child and adult as needed. I feel like that make me sounds very crazy, but I hope you know what Iām talking about.
When I first posted this topic, I felt very confused and blurred in my mind, which is unusual to me, I feel like I usually have at least a tiny clue as to what is going on. I think I was just in major denial that I was used by someone I trusted. Slowly Iām accepting it and trying not to beat myself up for being a sucker.
I just want Ā to say I very much appreciate the time, effort, concern, wisdom and compassion you have given to me thru this conversation.
July 21, 2018 at 7:51 am #218003SheelanagigParticipantHi AnitaInteresting points/suggestions. Ā I say he āgroomedā me bc he spent months acting as if he was a friend and trustworthy and asking me about my thoughts and fears and offered compassion and reassurance.He put in effort to get me into a position where I would be sexual to him and that is what I felt was exploitative, that he chose to do this with the knowledge that I didnāt have, that he was in a relationship. I believe he chose to do this to me because he saw a desperate needy and sad woman. Later he said he believed he was doing me a favor by ābeing there for me.ā Thatās what I mean by targeted. He saw someone with vulnerabilities and chose to exploit them.I think itās really interesting that you pointed out the possibility of me being in the childlike position and putting him into the loving father position (Iām putting it in my own words) who i desperately wanted approval, attention, comfort and recognition from. There is some truth to that I see in retrospect, but at first I thought he was just a hatrmless guy who lived far away, and I had a lot going on and he was willing to listen and not judge seemingly, so I just spilled it all out. In retrospect, I shouldnāt have done that for many reasons. I could tell thatt he sometimes subtly got off offering me reassurance and advice in a tiny condescending way and my dad does the exact same thing. He loves to give people advice and be right strong and smart etc. I chose to minimize it it.When I was a younger adult and teen I definitely felt like I thought EVERYONE was cooler, smarter, better than me. Since Iāve gotten into my 30s and earned some accomplishments, Iām realizing I do have knowledge and am good at my job and have a lot of knowledge others donāt in some arenas. When it comes to the emotional realm, having to do with intimate relationships, I can get very very triggered and totally feel like a child. And these issues are related to feelings of abandonment I believe. Usually when Iām going thru this intensity I write, and after Iāve come to Ā rational myself a little bit, Ā I talk to my a few close friends or talk to my therapist and I do love my friends for their nurturing qualities, but also I try to nurture them when they need it too.July 21, 2018 at 6:07 am #217983SheelanagigParticipantThank you Anita. You are wise.
This exercise brought to light my habit of dissociation. And also just being confused and clueless as to what is going on in the adults world and how that is so scary. How I felt like I was a bad kid. And felt so misunderstood and unsupported. I guess itās like what Iām used to. Feeling sad and anxious and wanting and grasping and waiting for some guy to give me approval and attention. I t is definitely a habit ingrained in my brain. I have some insight and try to shake myself out of it. I know it is a process but in the meantime I want to lessen any damage I do to myself and other people, esp my son. Maybe I should write letters or imagine scenarios where Iām comforting the little girl me. Iāve done it before but maybe more of hat will help that connection between her and me grow.
July 20, 2018 at 10:49 am #217913SheelanagigParticipantI have an appt w/ my therapist next week. She’s great. I need to go more often.
Thank you for that interesting suggestion regarding speaking from a child’s place. My first reaction was like yeah I could do that, easy, then I started to and my brain wouldn’t even let me complete one sentence because I felt too scared and vulnerable. Not because it’s a public forum, but because it feels so scary and powerless to go to that place.
i feel scared
my mom is mean
my mom is crying
my dad is mean
my dad is kicking stuff around
i feel frozen
i dont know how to move
i hope they leave me alone
i hope they dont pick at me
i just want to color and play outside
my brother is crying
my dad is so mean to him
i wish he’d leave him alone
but at least its not me
why is my momĀ crying
why is she slapping me
i have to hide
i have to be quiet
i have to shut down
i have to be tough
I have to fight
im so mad
i hate everyone
no ones gonna hurt me
ill run away
ill be alone
ill be scared
Ill be small
ill run around the forest and pretend im a fairy
ill eat sticks and grass and someone
an angel maybe will come save me
July 20, 2018 at 8:50 am #217873SheelanagigParticipantThank you so much, Anita. I started crying when I read this comment from you. My emotions are getting the best of me. I can’t sleep and lost weight and didn’t go to work yesterday and am work now but just close the door and cry. I feel sooo sad. And angry. I feel like the man who I had the affair with, “S,” targeted me and I let him. I told him all of my most intimate secrets and fears, and I felt like he was the first man who ever SAW me and that we had a spiritual connection. And now I realize it was a fake manipulation in order to conquer me. He groomed me. And I am a trusting and loving and generous and soulful person and I opened up so much to him. I was separated from my husband and the relationship was abusive so I was extra raw and vulnerable. I told him about abuse I suffered in the past, and how I felt like a bunny and the men were predators like wolves and I didn’t feel safe. I opened up to him because I need my heart to stay open and pure and trusting and I can’t let it shut down from being hurt. He reassured me and comforted me but really he was preying on me the whole time. It makes me feel so scared and unsafe and like people are going to prey on me and I can’t keep myself safe. I think I’m reverting to a child right now. I am sobbing at the keyboard at work hoping no one hears me.
I want to make this painful experience into a learning experience, especially because I am about to move back in w/ myĀ husband. I don’t want to make the same mistakes that led to our unhealthy dynamic. I have been reading a lot about narcissism and co-dependents and find it very very familiar to my experiences. I know deep within there is a wound that is so deep it is probably in my DNA. I don’t know what to do with this knowledge. My parents never honored me as an individual when I was a kid and are both narcissistic and codependent.
“Perceptive children will also pick up on the emotional vulnerability of their parents. They will compliment their parent or try to be a perfect reflection of them. They hope that taking care of mom or dad will shore the parent up enough so he or she can eventually get back to taking care of them. With all of that care directed at parents, these children will likely lose touch with their own emotions and needs.”
I read this today and it explained what things were like with me, but my parents were often angry and disappointed and I think us kids were trying to assuage them at our expense. I don’t know how to explore the dynamics with my parents. I just remember the painful times in my childhood when I felt unloved? So what will that do besides make me feel anger at them? Are my memories even accurate? I understand on an intellectual level that relationships w/ my parents made me have some codependent and probably narcissistic behaviors, but how doĀ I turn the intellectual knowledge into a felt experience of awareness, compassion, change and healing inside me?
July 19, 2018 at 11:07 am #217711SheelanagigParticipantYes this wounding is something I realized a few months ago but am still āfullyā realizing it. Itās a slow process especially bc my parents are still in my life.
July 19, 2018 at 10:00 am #217677SheelanagigParticipantThe dynamic is like the men are strong and independent and not giving me all the love and attention I want so I just sit there with my lip out Ā crying and feeling anxious. I have a 3 yr old and I canāt keep acting like a desperate little kid myself anymore. I need to love and honor myself and I try so hard to learn how to do it but I still have the feeling all the time of being sad and anxious bc Ifeel unloved. Same thing w all my boyfriends and husband. Probably parents too but I kind of block that out.
July 19, 2018 at 9:44 am #217667SheelanagigParticipantThanks for writing. Yes that is true. This morning I texted him and said I can no longer participate in this dynamic and I wish him well and blocked him. Then I bought a book on narcissist and codependent relationships and who to truly be able to see myself and heal. I ha e a Similar dynamic with all men in my life and Iām tired of it and need a change. I feel a lot better today and after I blocked him.
July 19, 2018 at 9:41 am #217665SheelanagigParticipantIām sorry, I never posted before, and wasnāt sure what to call the thread but it did feel like I was lost in a hurricane and overwhelmed and did not know where to go or how to get there and I canāt see anything.
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